February 18, 2008...5:05 pm

Clinton Camp Accuses Obama of Plagiarism

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Howard Wolfson, spokesman for Senator Clinton, has accused Senator Obama for stealing lines for his speech that were used by his friend. Governor Deval Patrick of Massachusetts.  The line in question include the phrases “I have a dream” and “all men are created equal” which need I say weren’t exactly written by Governor Patrick either. 

The entire story is available at MSNBC.

But I don’t recall Hillary recognizing the writer of this piece that got her in trouble because people assumed she was adopting a fake southern accent. If she had given recognition to the writer then people might have understood the use of “colloquialisms” better.

And here’s the almost ten minute speech including the short phrase allegedly stolen from Governor Patrick in his response to the Clinton team accusing Obama of being all talk.

 And in fairness here’s the Deval Patrick speech.

160 Comments

  • Give me a f**kn’ break. Now, who do I give credit to for that statement? Besides, are these speeches copywrited or would they be considered part of the public domain?

  • W. C. Fields?

  • *wise-ass*, Shayne.

    That was great.
    Thanks for the laugh just when I need one.

  • Keep in mind Cats that both speeches were given in response to their opponents accusing them of being all talk. Obama and Patrick are close friends and Obama today on Air America saying he’d gotten “the riff” from his friend he talks to all the time. It is the nasty nature of the Clinton campaign that always made me stay away from Hillary.

  • That should be “wide-ass” trueblue, trust me.

  • Fine, we can compare butts one day. :)

    **men of the site’s inner guy hear, “Girls Comparing butts? Cool!”

  • Oh our guys can’t be that delusional or they’d be Republicans.

  • trueblue, I just found one of your comments in spam. If they have links sometimes they go there. Just let us know if one goes missing and we can retrieve it.

  • Oh, I don’t remember a post not going through.
    Then again, I haven’t been here all day and a good part of yesterday. (Just the rant.)

    Thanks anyway, Shayne.

  • We are talking about wide load’s now.?..I am alway’s so late to the party..Sigh..Well if ya want to see a pair of wide load’s ya can check out the Bear and I…I call him bubble butt all the time and if it wern’t for the pair of 40-D’s I would look like a huge pear instead of a giant beach ball….LOL…

    Another great weather day here, hope it’s warm and sunny where ever you all are…Blessings

  • Ah, you might be mistaken Shayne

  • witch1,
    I’m not even going near the bust to butt size ratio.
    Talk about getting all the guy’s attention!
    ;)

    Oh our guys can’t be that delusional or they’d be Republicans. -Shayne
    Ah, you might be mistaken Shayne -dbadass

    See what I mean?
    ;)

  • trueblue
    Do you remember Mendel’s peas?
    My buddy who is another biology teacher once managed to dig a terrific hole for himself while discussing “big T’s” and “little a’s” as opposed to “little t’s and “big A’s”. It remains a teacher’s room classic

  • Trueblue I’not going to do a boob’s to butt ratio either, like I said if it wern’t for the twin’s I’de look like a huge pear…LOL…Blessings

  • I only get delusional when contemplating the cesspool. =P

  • I would think Clinton would be focusing on the economy instead of this.

  • Briseadh na Faire

    If Martin Luther King Jr. were a Scot, his famous speach would have said, “I have a dram.”

  • Briseadh na Faire

    Boob to butt – sounds like a Cirque de Soliel contortion act.

    or liposuction gone horribly wrong.

  • Didn’t somebody say

    “Ask not what your country is about to do to you,
    ask what you can do to get the hell out of your country”?

    Much ado re: nada…

  • xis ~ to quote Sherrif Bart ~

    They desperate, THEY DESPERATE!

  • Heh

  • Clinton’s campaign is looking desperate and you would think they’d have enough political savvy to realize it and to realize that desperation pushes people away. Just ask some horny teenager trying to get a leg over; girls can see that desperation coming a mile away and they run off (secretly laughing at him, I am sure).

  • Yes gummitch, they even have a word for those guys they laugh at: Hornely. Its a mixture of horny and lonely.

  • Ha! I knew it! The secret cabal of wimmens.

  • Hello?

    Anyone home…?

  • Sssssh. Everybody stay verrrrry quiet.

  • Heh.

  • It was a BEAUTIFUL day in Idaho. Cold, but very sunny. More sunny than Portland has ever been. Ever. :)

  • “witch1,
    I’m not even going near the bust to butt size ratio.
    Talk about getting all the guy’s attention!

    Oh our guys can’t be that delusional or they’d be Republicans. -Shayne
    Ah, you might be mistaken Shayne -dbadass

    See what I mean?”

    Being liberal does not make us eunichs! We are still pig-like creatures prone to liking breasts.

  • Guys just like breast because they don’t have to carry them around on their bodies. :)

  • Oh, no, if guys could carry them around…we would be very happy.

  • Where would you keep them? ;)

  • Yep gummitch it’s the same as when a woman is looking for a husband instead of boyfriend. Guys flee the area.

  • We would keep them exactly where 80 year old women keep them. We are used to the extra weight being there. :)

  • It was a BEAUTIFUL day in Idaho. Cold, but very sunny. More sunny than Portland has ever been. Ever. – Z

    Me thinks the lady doth protest – oh crap, now I’M a plagiarist.

  • Well, Shayne, that would depend on the age of the guy (kinda similar to women). Though men are probably skittish for about 5 more years.

  • I’m taking a page from gummitch’s weather rubber-inner book. ;)

  • When they’re young they get you what you want and when you’re old they just get in the way. And that goes for whoever is carrying them.

  • Wow, he has a book on rubbers! Coooool.

  • Words of wisdom, Shayne. :)

  • It was cold today in Wisconsin. The doors were frozen shut after the freezing rain last night (but we didn’t get the huge snowfalls we were supposed to so the snowblower still has gas).

  • I don’t know JP I think men like the chase at any age. Just like women like bad boys. If you tell them you have a really “nice” guy they should meet they’re gone.

  • “When they’re young they get you what you want and when you’re old they just get in the way. And that goes for whoever is carrying them.”

    I am thinking you hung out with the dangerous ones! :)

  • Cats r Flyfishn

    Give me a f**kn’ break. Now, who do I give credit to for that statement? Besides, are these speeches copywrited or would they be considered part of the public domain?

    Shayne

    W. C. Fields?

    Actually, Shayne, it may surprise you to know that the credit should go to none other than Mr. Fred Rogers himself.

    You see, he was having a really bad day. Mrs Rogers was pissed off at him for the umpteenth time and, just as he was about to head out the door to go “work” at the “neighborhood”, she screamed that she wanted a divorce. Fred tried to maintain his composure and asked her kindly if, perhaps, if it wasn’t too much of a bother, could they talk about it when he came back home that day? She left it at, “If your stuff’s not out on the lawn, then maybe.”

    Then, as he was about to get into his car, some men from the neighborhood approached him with a “request” that he try to “not spend so much time with the young boys in the neighborhood” if he “caught [their] drift”. He didn’t, of course, but asked if they might be able to sit down with him later that evening to talk about it. They left it at, “If we don’t get a restraining order against you first!”

    The taping of the show didn’t go well, either. Halfway through the show he realized that his sweater wasn’t buttoned right and one side was hanging down lower than the other. He stopped tape and tried to ask a production assistant why nobody noticed. The PA left it at, “Are we all supposed to keep an eye on you?”

    As he was putting his shoes back on at the end of the show, the laces broke as he was tying up the first one. He had to improvise then and took the opportunity to teach the kids what to do when that happens and you need to get your shoes tied up real quick, anyway. He was pleased with himself that he could come up with that off the top of his head despite the absolutely horrendous day he was having. Then the other shoelace broke, and he blurted out, “Give me a fucking break!”

    They only showed that episode the one time.

  • No JP Zooey’s just being a rubber, I think.

  • Shayne, a nice guy would be nice.

  • “I don’t know JP I think men like the chase at any age. Just like women like bad boys. If you tell them you have a really “nice” guy they should meet they’re gone.”

    I don’t know. I don’t much like guys (in a platonic way). I grew up without a father. So I may be weird but I never liked chasing. It was always a pain in the ass.

  • Well fortunately he’s dead too so he can’t sue Cats for plagiarism. Whew, what a relief.
    Who do we have to attribute credit too if we use the MF words.

  • Wayne, you are a priceless gem. :)

  • Guys are pigs. I can’t deny that. I have my piggishness. I just don’t see that women are any better. Many of them are psychotic!

  • I hope you’re right JP and Zooey. Back when I tended bar it always amazed me the unwise choices people would make.

  • I object!! Men are not pigs. That’s an entirely too general statement.

    Some men are pigs, most are not.

  • JP if I had a son I would worry about him meeting crazy women and getting himself in trouble just like I would warn a daughter. There’s no shortage of whack jobs out there.

  • Shayne, there are very few good choices made in bars :)

  • And might I remind you people that I think pigs are the cutest little things.

  • Zoo, ok, I happen to think all men are pigs, it is a matter of degree (unless they are gay)

  • I could tell you about the bad choice a friend of mine made meeting her husband in an evangelical church but I’m sure you’d know how it ends. It starts with internet porn.

  • Men can’t be pigs if they’re gay? Is that a rule?

    Oy, I forgot about Shayne’s pig love. :D

  • “Shayne
    February 18, 2008 at 9:51 pm
    JP if I had a son I would worry about him meeting crazy women and getting himself in trouble just like I would warn a daughter. There’s no shortage of whack jobs out there.”

    I guess my son will be very well adjusted since he will learn men are pigs and women are psycho. :)

  • Shayne, you might not be surprised how often that happens. I’ve done many a divorce in the Evangelical sector.

  • They’re so cuuuuuute.

  • JP, if you keep saying women are psycho, I’m going to go mental on you. :lol:

  • “Shayne
    February 18, 2008 at 9:53 pm
    I could tell you about the bad choice a friend of mine made meeting her husband in an evangelical church but I’m sure you’d know how it ends. It starts with internet porn.”

    I tried to date a southern Baptist. She was great and surprisingly tolerant (and really rebelling against the Baptist sexual repression). We broke up because of her family.

  • “Zooey
    February 18, 2008 at 9:55 pm
    JP, if you keep saying women are psycho, I’m going to go mental on you.”

    Ok, they are not psycho!!! They are mental.

  • Exactly, tell JP. He thinks bars are the bad place to meet people. At least you know what you’re getting.

  • “Shayne
    February 18, 2008 at 9:52 pm
    And might I remind you people that I think pigs are the cutest little things.”

    Well, there ARE worse things than rutting!

  • “Shayne
    February 18, 2008 at 9:57 pm
    Exactly, tell JP. He thinks bars are the bad place to meet people. At least you know what you’re getting.”

    Well, my dad met my mom in a bar (and I do believe they would still be together if he hadn’t died). I think the percentages are pretty bad though. Churches…worse.

  • Please Zooey, telling him you will go psycho on him is not politically correct. Perhaps it would be better to go postal on him.

  • I met my husband at a bar. Poor guy.

  • Going postal IS politically correct? :D

  • I met my ex when he visited friends next door.

    I should go to a bar…

  • I was set up with my ex. Don’t go on blind dates and feel sorry for the other person (while on the rebound)!!!

  • That’s good advice, JP.

  • Kinda obvious but…

  • Are you on your own computer Zoo?

  • Right don’t ever date friends of neighbors or friends of friends. Only strangers are safe? You people are confusing me.

  • No, JP, I’m in the UI library. I had to come over to print some stuff, so I’m hanging out.

  • Shayne, don’t date anyone — ever.

    You’re married.

  • Shayne, yeah, don’t trust your friends!!! They are wrong!

  • Ahh, sorry, Zoo.

  • Married…and a woman!! Hehe.

  • JP, they said I should hear something by tomorrow. I’m hoping it’s something good — like come get this thing, it’s working perfectly.

  • I hope so, Zoo. Being computerless is tough. I have been saying that ever since I had a Commodore 64.

  • Jeebus, I’m just looking at TP for the first time in days.

  • Ixnay on the computer talks JP. Zooey’s computer abandoned her, the bastard.

  • I know Shayne. Maybe they will tell her she is cured tomorrow.

  • Yep, Until a few years ago, I was perfectly happy living the life of a Luddite — now my teeth grind while my computer screen stays blank.

    Otherwise, I’m still a Luddite. :D

  • Not me. I like my CSI.

  • CSI has absolutely no basis in reality.

    Having said that, I guess that’s why it’s called entertainment. :)

    I rarely miss my teevee.

  • CSI and L&O and Psych and Monk and Myth Busters. I like my TV. I definitely would miss it. I get no news from it. That would be pointless.

  • I used to like Monk, when he had his first assistant. Didn’t like the next one.

    I love Mythbusters. They have a great show, and do their stuff on my old stomping grounds.

  • My 10 year old loves it too…and Dirty Jobs. I am proud of my little guy :)

  • Psych and Monk are very smart fiction.

  • Oh yeah, Dirty Jobs. LOVE that one. It sometimes made me queasy, but overall love it.

  • What is Psych?

  • It is about a guy that helps the cops. He is a psychic…well, no, he is just really smart and observational. And a smart-ass.

  • A smart ass, huh? I don’t understand why you like something like that. ;)

  • Hehe, yeah, I am a kinda drawn toward that kind of thing. I have no idea why.

  • It certainly is a mystery…

  • I like House too…

  • House! Loved that show. He always said all the stuff I’d just be thinking.

  • LOL, yeah. Though he is even more of a prick than I could ever imagine being.

  • On topic, I think Hillary’s campaign is getting a bit, um….desperate.

    I thought she would have more political savvy than this.

  • JP, the House show that stands out most in my mind was the one where the mother didn’t want to get her child it’s immunizations. He mentioned something about baby-sized coffins, and the mom turned green.

    I loved that.

  • I think it is amazing how so many people are with her in seating FL and MI (I am guessing they are all Hillary supporters in the first place). I am ok with seating them if they have new primaries.

  • Ooooh, House. I love that show.

  • “JP, the House show that stands out most in my mind was the one where the mother didn’t want to get her child it’s immunizations. He mentioned something about baby-sized coffins, and the mom turned green.

    I loved that.”

    I missed that one, I think. I am guessing it had to do with autism?

  • I think the people calling into the radio who want to seat FL and MI are the ones who have always been Hillary supporters. I think that’s the kind of campaign she runs. Not trying to charm new voters but threatening old voters.

  • JP, if the Dem party is penalizing those states for early primaries, and the candidates understood that — it’s not right to go back on that. That’s the sort of politics that make us hate politicians. More.

  • No JP, the mom on that show was just one of those mothers that think they ward off disease with the power of their love.

    I should talk….once I found out my eldest had autism (after he had all his shots), my youngest never got another immunization until he was an adult.

  • “Shayne
    February 18, 2008 at 10:38 pm
    I think the people calling into the radio who want to seat FL and MI are the ones who have always been Hillary supporters. I think that’s the kind of campaign she runs. Not trying to charm new voters but threatening old voters.”

    There is no doubt about it. All candidates signed off on the “punishment”. But Hillary, apparantly, only agreed because she thought she was the annointed one. Now she wants their votes. She is a whore (in the political sense of the word).

  • Also, that episode of House was one of the first ones in the first season. It’s the show that got me hooked.

  • I would support a do-over in MI and FL, with opportunity for the candidates to campaign.
    After everyone else’s is done.

  • “JP, if the Dem party is penalizing those states for early primaries, and the candidates understood that — it’s not right to go back on that. That’s the sort of politics that make us hate politicians. More.”

    I feel for those people who voted in MI and FL but if they want to be mad they might want to be mad at their state parties.

  • “No JP, the mom on that show was just one of those mothers that think they ward off disease with the power of their love.”

    Ohhhh, so she was a Christian.

  • “Also, that episode of House was one of the first ones in the first season. It’s the show that got me hooked.”

    The guy is such an ass but he tells it like it is. It is what I wish Dems would be like once in awhile.

  • RUC — Nail on head, my dear.

  • “I would support a do-over in MI and FL, with opportunity for the candidates to campaign.
    After everyone else’s is done.”

    Well, if it was just the legislators I would tell them to take a flying leap but, yeah, it is not good to disenfranchise anybody.

  • I gave up on House because the plots were so formulaic. Oh, he’s kind of sick, not so much, now he’s really sick, let’s try this and this and this and this and this and oh shit he’s gonna die but NO! we fixed him!

    I love Hugh Laurie (Bertie Wooster!) but the storyline were just too boring to carry him.

    And one of the better results of splitting up with wife no. 2 is that I no longer have to sit through episodes of Grey’s Anatomy.

  • Well, I guess I better go to my too quiet home. Maybe I’ll pop in a Doctor Who DVD.

    Or study for my math test tomorrow. What a concept.

  • Elections are too expensive; no one will fund a “do-over”. Everyone in the party except for the poor bastards voting in Florida and Michigan signed on for this. They can fix it next time, but there is no way those votes should be counted.

  • Hi gummitch, did you see that we had a GORGEOUS day in Idaho today? :)

    Admittedly, I haven’t seen House, or any teevee show, for over a year. I used to love “Lost,” but I can’t imagine what they’re doing in terms of storyline anymore.

    I’ve never seen Grey’s Anatomy or Friends. I consider that a positive. :)

  • “Zooey
    February 18, 2008 at 10:50 pm
    Well, I guess I better go to my too quiet home. Maybe I’ll pop in a Doctor Who DVD.

    Or study for my math test tomorrow. What a concept.”

    Only if it is Tom Baker. I am a Doctor Who snob, I guess.

  • “Elections are too expensive; no one will fund a “do-over”. Everyone in the party except for the poor bastards voting in Florida and Michigan signed on for this. They can fix it next time, but there is no way those votes should be counted.”

    If there is no do-over they are shit out of luck. No way a Clinton 55%, Undecided 45% can possibly stand.

  • I love Tom Baker’s Doctor Who, but these new shows are really good.

  • Yeah, Grey’s Anatomy is the prime-time the equivalent of Postcards from the Edge. Ick. Friends…might as well eat cardboard. Then again, don’t ask me what I think of Lost.

  • Ok, I’m REALLY going now. *sigh*

    gummitch, I hope your lemon pickles are coming along well.

    Goodnight, all. I’ll check in tomorrow.

  • Really sometimes I think Hillary has Karl Rove running her campaign.

  • “I love Tom Baker’s Doctor Who, but these new shows are really good.”

    I have been thinking about watching. I just don’t know. I got used to the Davidson guy after awhile, too. Not sure I can do it again.

  • Night Zoo.

    Shayne, the only thing surprising about Hillary going dirty is that her DLC tools rolled over and pissed themselves during 2000 and 2004.

  • You’ll have to give me the recipe gummitch, I love lemons.

  • There’s a new show with Holly Hunter on TNT or something like that where she’s a drunk cop who has an angel trying to make her shape up that is gritty and good. It’s called “Saving Grace” I think.

  • That’s what makes me think Hillary is the wild card that made the campaign go mean.

  • Oh, Saving Grace, I can’t watch. I hate Holly Hunter’s accent and it is way too religious.

  • Night Zooey. Hopefully you’ll be back soon.

  • Yeah, and Mark Penn. She should have saved her vitriol for McCain. It would go over better with Republicans.

  • I didn’t think of it as religious but I guess you’re right. Well now I can’t watch it any more, sigh.

  • Hehe, it seems almost blasphemous until you realize it is a rather unorthodox sucking up to god. Eh, not for me.

  • By the way folks, Tracy2 REALLY hates his name being associated with females. I am probably annoying militant feminists but I am ok with that.

  • He is taking it hard :(

  • I named my daughter Taylor so people wouldn’t know if she was male or female when she applied for jobs. I guess girls don’t take it the same way.

  • Oh Tracy at TP is unhappy. I thought I’d missed something here.

  • I named my son Terry after my dad. Unfortunately, he might get the punishment Tracy is getting but he won’t deserve it.

  • “Shayne
    February 19, 2008 at 12:18 am
    Oh Tracy at TP is unhappy. I thought I’d missed something here.”

    Yeah, he seems really kind of upset that I am calling him girl (after he calls everybody boy). Eh, I am ok with pissing him off.

  • Sure it is immature. I am ok with that too. It is working. There is nothing more fun than a spluttering troll.

  • Shayne, I have never bugged a troll this much for something this stupid. I am playing it to the hilt.

  • You’re not alone JP. Too bad Bert ran off.

  • He is a sicko. Don’t mess with sickos. Let guys do it. May sound sexist but…

  • Yeah you’re probably right. Sometimes I’m too ornery for my own good.

  • Just ask Zoo. She is a stalker magnet. Don’t call that freak, Bert, out unless you want to have a shrine to you as exhibit #1.

  • Of course Zoo would ignore my warning. Damned strong-willed women!

  • We’re a little bit crazy ourselves I suspect.

  • Yeah, probably. And hell, women who aren’t are a bit boring anyway…no wonder I think women are nuts since I only associate with interesting…crazy women.

  • Seriously though, this guy is nuts.

  • I always found JK to be extremely boring. Nothing but rhetoric. And now I see that he is batshit insane.

  • Briseadh na Faire

    Sabyen91

    I am saddened to read you think all men are pigs.

    For one, I think that denigrates pigs as compared to some men.

    For two, I hope that I, and some of the others in the Zoo of the male gender, might be able to prove that statement inaccurate as to ourselves.

  • BnF, all men ARE pigs. As one with an X and a Y I believe it. I, personally am only about 15% pig. I am guessing you are similar. It is just genetics. Men are programmed for sexual conquest. Though I don’t feel I am hardwired that way.

  • I don’t get it. Tracy is STILL ticked about the name insults. The guy must really be carrying some baggage from that name.

  • Look at this… I go to a political meeting and missed all this fun nonsense.

    Wayne – you must have watched that Mr. Roger’s show.

    TV shows – I do like CSI. I doubt if my local medical examiner’s office is as well equipped as what appears on these shows. And you don’t get toxicology and DNA results as quickly as these shows would make you believe, but hey, they only have 1 hour minus commercial minutes to prove 2 cases. I like these shows for the characters, with CSI Las Vegas being my favorite. The character Grissom is interesting. Sometimes watching TV can be a break from all the crap that is happening in the real world.

  • Just read some of the comments on TP and saw “Tracy” postings. Does Tracy get paid to post? Are people that stupid to post on a site where they are constantly attacked by others?


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