Recall those misty water-colored memories of the Democratic primary campaign season, where we were treated to a never-ending series of helpful talking points from the Clinton camp. Things like, “Only Hillary can win the key swing states dominated by hardworking blue collar white folk” or “Only Hillary can carry Florida because of her superior age, experience, and appeal to the Jewish and Cuban blocks, and because Obama wants to disenfranchise Florida voters” or “Hillary’s ardent female supporters will vote for McCain rather than Obama if the nomination is ’stolen’ from her”. Now that Obama has the nomination, these same talking points are used as evidence that Clinton should be placed on the ticket in the second spot.
Maybe not. Yesterday’s Quinnapiac University poll seems to indicate that some hardworking white folks, old people, Cubans, Jews, and, yes, even women are capable of thinking beyond pundit sound bites.
The poll examined three key battleground states – Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida, and found Obama leading by significant margins in all three:
- Pennsylvania shows Obama leading McCain by 12%
- Ohio shows Obama leading McCain by 6%
- Florida shows Obama leading McCain by 4%
Clinton won all three primaries by a wide margin (if one can include the unofficial and uncontested Florida primary as a Clinton win). Indeed, Pennsylvania and Ohio victories had been touted in the media as major turning points in the race, revealing Obama’s inability to “close the deal”.
And those bitter, angry women voters? They favor Obama by 24%, 10%, and 12% in the three states, respectively. So much for that theory.
What about the racial divide? McCain does lead Obama by 10% among Florida whites. However, he leads in Ohio by only 3% and Obama leads McCain among white voters in Pennsylvania by 3%. That seems to indicate an overall even split of the white vote in those “hardworking blue collar white” states of Ohio and Pennsylvania, not quite the redneck throwback that was indicated in the media.
Aside from putting to rest the talking points from the primary season, these poll results also call into question the wisdom of an Obama-Clinton ticket, because her supposed strengths apparently would be redundant, if not fully offset by her negative baggage.
The poll surveyed:
- 1,453 Florida likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percent;
- 1,396 Ohio likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.6 percent;
- 1,511 Pennsylvania likely voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.5 percent.
37 Comments
June 19, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Hillary Clinton has a lot of work to do in repairing her image in the Democratic party and in repairing the damage she inflicted on Obama – her words are being used by the repugnicans against Obama – and this is only the beginning.
She better have a lot of good things to say about Obama starting next week and retract, rephrase, repackage the damages of the past year.
June 19, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Even women?
Wow. When did we start thinking independently?
June 19, 2008 at 6:51 pm
I think it was when you stopped ladling on the makeup like trollops, but you’ll have to ask the McCains about that.
June 19, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Ohhhhh, the makeup was blocking our pores, so our brains couldn’t breathe properly.
I wear lipstick. Does that make me a c*nt?
June 19, 2008 at 6:57 pm
Depends on which lips you put it on.
June 19, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Heh.
I’m laughing the dirtiest laugh right now…..
June 19, 2008 at 7:04 pm
The pundits on that idiot David Gregory’s show were talking about how Obama could win the popular vote by 5% and still lose the election. M
June 19, 2008 at 7:06 pm
Well damn. I just lost a mouthful of Bailey’s all over the screen over that one…You owe me gorn….LOL…Blessings
June 19, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Really #1, we can’t leave Zooey and Gorn alone for a minute!
June 19, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Why does that sell-out David Gregory have a show?
Nevermind — key words “sell-out.”
June 19, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Gorn, gosh…what do you have against pretty lips? (batting eyelashes)
June 19, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Zooey, why do MOST of them have shows??
June 19, 2008 at 7:09 pm
I thing he took Tucker Carlson’s time slot but he’s no better.
MJ, don’t encourage him.
June 19, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Shayne, what can I say? I love a nice strong silverback gorilla.
June 19, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Honey, sorry…anyone or anyTHING is better than Tucker Carlson.
I love Jon Stewart for calling him a dick on CNN.
(And taunting, er, teasing the boys is fun!)
June 19, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Every time I watched Dan Abrams, Tucker (propeller neck) Carlson was on there, giving his stupid opinions — right next to Pat Buchanan.
Ugh…
June 19, 2008 at 7:14 pm
He is such a naughty boy…Don’t feed him…LOL..Blessings
June 19, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Buchanan is by far and away worse than all the others. I wrote Verdict the other day and told them that I hate when Buchanan screams above all others and I, being in their prime target market, change the channel when he does it. I told them there was the possibility for a good show but not when the guests take to yelling over each other. Then I asked if he got partial credit in the demographics for my tuning out part way into the show.
June 19, 2008 at 7:17 pm
At least Carlson doesn’t pretend to be non-partisan. Gregory thinks he’s fooling people.
June 19, 2008 at 7:17 pm
Oh, but witch, he’s big and hairy…and I’m just hankerin’ to pick some nits.
June 19, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Buchanan shouts and screeches even when nobody else is talking. He disgusts me and would even if he wasn’t a right wing tool.
June 19, 2008 at 7:21 pm
He’s beyond a right wing tool…he’s a racist, sexist, homophobe apologist. God my ass!
If there were a god, Buchanan would have been called home long ago.
June 19, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Every time I see Buchanan on the teevee, he looks like he’s just itching to scream “ni**er!!”
June 19, 2008 at 7:23 pm
One day he’ll have his Michael Richards moment.
June 19, 2008 at 7:24 pm
Yike’s MsJoanne, nit’s ugh…..LOL..Your point’s about that miserable piece of shit bucannon are right on, can’t stand him..
Well youngster’s I’m beat today, will look at all your great post’s tomorrow…Time to run the bubble butt Bear and hit the sack..Five A.M get’s here to fast for my old bone’s and tomorrow is going to be a screaming and emailing rant to end all….Blessings and have a good night.
June 19, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Night, witch!
June 19, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Sleep well, Great Lady.
Slip that Bear a sedative….
June 19, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Well, I suppose I should head out, too…my peeps this week are crack of dawn kind guys.
WAY too early for this kid. And on eastern time, yet. Ugh. I love getting up at 4am. NOT.
Cheers all!
June 19, 2008 at 7:37 pm
Oh damn. There goes the party.
Goodnight, MizzJ!
June 19, 2008 at 7:41 pm
Good night Z.
June 19, 2008 at 7:42 pm
I’m still here, Walt.
Two glasses of wine in me, and nowhere to go.
Not safely anyway….
June 19, 2008 at 7:54 pm
Hey #1, you better give that Bear a treat now for hurting his feelings calling him “bubble butt”.
June 19, 2008 at 7:57 pm
I know I always need a treat after someone calls me “bubble butt.”
June 19, 2008 at 8:00 pm
TMI…?
June 19, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Geebutz, Z, you and the ape? I gotta get pix…
June 19, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Oh god, there are pictures…?
June 19, 2008 at 11:32 pm
How much cash you got RUC? Here’s a tip, that ape isn’t wearing any clothes.