I bet my bottom dollar this will not happen.
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13 Comments
January 5, 2009 at 11:04 am
No way that’s right. Utah would never agree to be in a state anchored by California.
January 5, 2009 at 2:19 pm
I don’t get it. Why gut and gill it if you are gonna fillet it?
January 5, 2009 at 3:24 pm
LOL!
During the final months of the Presidential campaigns I actually killed-off a few brain cells thinking about how the US might conceivably ‘devolve’.
Looking at the electoral map in the crudest terms you’ve basically got your god-fearing Republicans in the middle from North to South, and your secular Democrats on the two coasts.
Arguably these three divisions could all be relatively self-sufficient.
It might even be possible for Montana and North Dakota to go Democrat, creating a contiguity between East and West coasts thus creating two nations instead of three.
I imagined that, having lost the 2008 and 2012 presidential elections (and losing Montana, North Dakota, Virginia, with Minnesota and Iowa and Indiana going strongly Democratic, Colorado and Florida consistently trending Dem the Republicans decide their best-bet is basically to revive the Confederacy and secede and then from that consolidated position they could scheme to ‘take back’ the rest of the US (as God intended).
So the minority Republicans begin to take action in 2016, exploiting whatever Federal power they have to steer federal resources their way (and thus finance their secession plans with Democrat controlled Federal money–very crafty!).
The Republican states of course are becoming more and more religious so any Dems they have begin to migrate to the Democratic states, allowing the Republicans to consolidate control and resist Federal interference (whilst still taking Federal handouts, as they do now).
So by 2024/2026 all the states are neatly and solidly Republican or Democratic.
The Democratic states are at this point doing better than the GOP states in one respect because of progressive policies, but on the other hand they;ve got bigger issues because they have a larger population and you know how Democrats argue amongst themselves, whilst the Republicans stay focused.
At this point the GOP states really lay on thick with the usual cards–victim-hood, ‘real’ America, foreigners and all the usual divisive rot that rallies their base and bugs the hell out of the Dems.
However the Dem states still have the greater economic power and are the political majority so if the new (and still secret) confederacy is going to successfully secede and establish itself as the Confederated States of America—CSA! CSA!—it will need a major issue or event to act as a trigger.
It also may be assumed that because the Dems have been doing so well politically, in part because the GOP are still the GOP we know today. the Democratic leadership and the President will be relatively weak precisely because things have been going pretty well.
But the GOP is going to stick to its plan of secession anyway, because that’s what they set out to do at least 10 years ago (we are now beyond 2026 now).
Still, there needs to be a catalyst for secession and that could be the huge California earthquake of 2032.
The relatively impoverished and even more-religious-than-they-are- now Republican states take the opportunity to claim that God has justly smited Claifornia for being Uber-gay, that the GOP states are being discriminated against because the Federal gummint is taking money out of their pockets to aid the gays (and just as bad, the Dems ) in California and thus the Federal government no longer represents them and in the face of such suppression and political bias (which they’ve been complaining about since 2012) they have no other option but to secede! Voila!
Ah, but the Democratic President is in charge of the military and has the option of declaring martial law and war– a reprise of the American Civil War, which of course the Northern States won way back then and preserved the Union. The US military would be commanded to prevent a secession..
BUT, as we all know the US Army is predominantly Midwestern and Southern.
The Air Force is currently infiltrated by ‘Christian Soldiers” and if the GOP states continue to under-perform economically compared to the Democratic states, the US military in 2032 may be assumed to have not only maintained that demographic but increased it. Thus given the choice between God’s orders ( transmitted by the GOP) and the President’s orders, the US military gets split in half (and the majority of bases and supplies lie in GOP territory). The citizens of the ‘CSA’ states also have the majority of privately-owned weapons.
As the Federal US military splits in two, geographically and ideologically, the Democratic government is thrown into confusion and argument over the subtleties of the situation and by default the ‘CSA’ is established.
Then it is a matter of acceptance and accommodation or another War of the Union.
The new ‘CSA’ (CSA! CSA!) proclaims “Bring it on, you gay communist muslins” whilst the new de-facto United American States (UAS! UAS!) ponders whether it should re-establish the old Union with force, or just settle borders and leave the fundies alone to become an ersatz BibleLand.
And then things get really complicated!
I’m not predicting of course, just imagining. If this Russian were really smart he’d turn his prediction into a novel.
January 5, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Redneck states like KY and TN going into a New England coalition instead of with the Texas union?
Now I KNOW this guy’s a crackpot!
January 5, 2009 at 3:45 pm
seraph127….
what do you think of my scenario? Any better than the Russki’s?
January 5, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Exactly, 5th. I just love how Republicans forget that the cameras and mics are ALWAYS running.
January 5, 2009 at 4:14 pm
I find this part fairly plausible:
“The Republican states of course are becoming more and more religious so any Dems they have begin to migrate to the Democratic states, allowing the Republicans to consolidate control and resist Federal interference (whilst still taking Federal handouts, as they do now).
So by 2024/2026 all the states are neatly and solidly Republican or Democratic.
The Democratic states are at this point doing better than the GOP states in one respect because of progressive policies, but on the other hand they;ve got bigger issues because they have a larger population and you know how Democrats argue amongst themselves, whilst the Republicans stay focused.
At this point the GOP states really lay on thick with the usual cards–victim-hood, ‘real’ America, foreigners and all the usual divisive rot that rallies their base and bugs the hell out of the Dems. ”
We bandy this about in jest, but the past eight years have taught me that I was naive to think of certain things that “it can’t happen here”.
January 5, 2009 at 5:31 pm
seraph127: “We bandy this about in jest, but the past eight years have taught me that I was naive to think of certain things that “it can’t happen here”.
Kind of you to respond, and at such short notice.
The past 8 years have really opened my eyes to what is possible (and horrifyingly typical) in politics, domestic and foreign.
The blogosphere has been a boon to my education as by its nature, despite appearing disorganized it allows one to ‘connect the dots’ of the present AND the past and thus more fully contemplate the future—which lets face it mostly going to be the past all over again, but with some interesting variations
But specifically back to your comment ” I find this part fairly plausible”, ..,immediately followed by the excerpt The Republican states of course are becoming more and more religious, well I think that is pretty reasonable.
About 15 years ago I saw “The Handmaids Tale” movie (released in 1990 ) and thought the plot was just clever , a bit of sociological sci-fi as it were.
But I read the book in 2001 which of course provided a lot more background and I realized the plot was not as imaginative as I had first thought—it was in my respects very plausible and we’ve seen some of the conjecture in action over the last 8 years, with thus far no sign of religious fundamentalism losing any influence in US politics.
January 5, 2009 at 5:49 pm
The South and the Midwest could never sustain themselves without all the capital from the East and West Coasts. This guy is loony tunes.
January 5, 2009 at 6:24 pm
The automatically generated possible related post really amused me. How does this thing work. None of them ever seem even remotely related
January 5, 2009 at 6:31 pm
dbadass… LOL! Good eye!
In this case at least you are definitely correct.
“I challenge you to cut some fish” ?
ROFL!
January 5, 2009 at 7:17 pm
5thstate: This part:
“The Republican states of course are becoming more and more religious”
was no challenge to credibility. Similarly, the focus of R’s on political victory and the playing of the victim card. I thought the interesting part was the speculation that there might be a subsequent migration of Dems as a result.
But perhaps people will hold their ground instead of fleeing to more ideologically congenial climes. After all, lots of people talked about emigrating to Canada, but are still here, and there’s a tentatively hopeful prospect of change in the air.
January 6, 2009 at 9:35 am
seaph….yes of course. One has to assume a lot of things for it all to unfold.