Sickening, eh?
This is your weekly cesspool party. There’s no theme, no dress code, and no rules.
Knock yourselves out…
Sickening, eh?
This is your weekly cesspool party. There’s no theme, no dress code, and no rules.
Knock yourselves out…
"Integrity is the lifeblood of democracy. Deceit is a poison in its veins."Integrity:
Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Source:Brookings Institution, April 5, 2004.
“People like elected officials with guts who say what they mean... I stand by what I said, I didn’t violate any House rules. I didn’t do anything inappropriate. I’m not under any pressure at all.”Deceit:
Rep Alan Grayson (D-FL) during a press interview on September 30, 2009
“What we have seen over the course of the last 24 hour[s] is a Congressman who is completely consumed with his own spotlight and has absolutely no respect for the citizens who elected him.”
Jim Greer, chairman of Florida’s Republican Party in a statement, September 30, 2009.
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166 Comments
July 11, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Damn am I a good Wii tennis player… I kicked those kid’s asses…
July 11, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Does that make you proud, db?
July 11, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Oh, c’mon, dbadass, how old are these kids?
July 11, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Neither is in double digits. DAD ROX!
July 11, 2009 at 6:54 pm
AND RULZ…
July 11, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Enjoy your victory, dbadass.
And are you enjoying as much success battling trolls?
July 11, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Everybody, fix your hair and pretend we’re good — TPers are asking how to get here.
I just hope I’m not the only one here. That’s soooo awkward…
July 11, 2009 at 7:06 pm
July 11, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Right, Reg.
Your name is spelled Z-O-O-E-Y, right…?
July 11, 2009 at 7:08 pm
I’ll vote for them if they can do a plausable Jersey punk…
July 11, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Uh-oh, do we have any snacks n stuff to offer our guests?
July 11, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Um, I thought that was YOUR job this week, Jane.
Yeah, that’s the ticket…
July 11, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Well, I do have a lot of cat food…are our guests cats?
July 11, 2009 at 7:11 pm
It’s possible…
July 11, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Did anyone read about the Conservative Free Republic Blog that made the front page of a Canadian Newspaper? I’m sure they’re very proud of their racist remarks.
http://www.vancouversun.com/entertainment/Conservative+Free+Republic+blog+free+speech+flap+after+racial+slurs+directed+Obama+children/1782375/story.html
These are a sample of the comments they made about Obama’s 11 year old daughter Malia:
“A typical street whore.” “A bunch of ghetto thugs.” “Ghetto street trash.” “Wonder when she will get her first abortion.”
Absolutely, positively disgusting comments. This makes me sick to think that Malia could possibly find this on the internet and read it.
July 11, 2009 at 7:14 pm
It is sort of embarassing but other than some broiled eel and a shitload of smoked salmon, I am sort of light,,,,
July 11, 2009 at 7:15 pm
OMG Freb, that’s horrifying!
Aren’t these the same people who were apoplectic over the Palin children?
July 11, 2009 at 7:18 pm
I refuse to even read that
July 11, 2009 at 7:18 pm
From the article: A note on the front of the blog reads, “Free Republic does not advocate or condone racism, violence, rebellion, secession, or an overthrow of the government.”
Nice try.
Of course, TP doesn’t bother to remove racist or violent comments either…
July 11, 2009 at 7:18 pm
I think you are right, Zooey!!
When ONE person complained they put her email address on the site. This is what the site owner said:
“The writer has a point,” wrote site owner Jim Thompson sarcastically. “We should steer clear of Obama’s children. They can’t help it if their old man is an American-hating Marxist pig.”
July 11, 2009 at 7:19 pm
They put the commenter’s email on the site?
July 11, 2009 at 7:20 pm
dbadass, I suspect that cats would enjoy those, too…
fr, that IS disgusting. What kind of person thinks like that?
July 11, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Yes, they did…. those rotten jerks. I can just image the kind of hate emails she is getting and the threats.
July 11, 2009 at 7:23 pm
OMFG, so they don’t “advocate violence,” but they’ll put your email address out there for all the freaks.
July 11, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Jeez, who the hell is the Jim Thompson guy–what a dickhead!
July 11, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Good question Jane. I couldn’t believe it when I saw one of the Canadian Bloggers over at DU had posted this article.
It just sickens me….
July 11, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Who do I have to bang on the head to get a drink around here…?
Are the bartender chimps still sulking?
July 11, 2009 at 7:27 pm
I was thinking the same thing Zooey. If I were that girl I would put my local police on alert. I hope she goes after the site owner in court.
July 11, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Zooey, I think that the bartender chimps are watching the banana-proof video.
July 11, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Jane, they’ve seen it eight times already, I don’t think they are going to be much help tonight!
July 11, 2009 at 7:34 pm
OK, I found it. So this is a troll-free zone?
July 11, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Hey Freedom! Thank you for posting that. I had not contemplated the risk of having your email outed. I thought that was just something site owners did not do. But I never considered visiting cancervative blogs, either. These people sound downright putrid.
July 11, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Totally troll-free, Mod Squad! We get dissenters, but we try very very hard to be reasonable, and encourage them to do the same. If they can’t — toodles!
July 11, 2009 at 7:39 pm
You’re right, krystal. Reputable bloggers would NEVER put a commenter’s email address on the site. That’s just incredible.
July 11, 2009 at 7:40 pm
I’ll this bar has is a couple of beers and a bottle of red…
July 11, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Free at last, free at last…
I like TP, but it’s getting a little out of hand, and I sometimes find myself engaging jerks when I KNOW that’s exactly the wrong thing to do.
Anyway, it was cool reading the profiles of some of the people I’ve been reading for the past few months, it’s nice to meet you, so to speak…
July 11, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Hello Prim8 welcome to the cesspool.
I think I’m having banana daiquiris tonight. Anyone else care for one?
For the record, I did not leave our last conversation due to any snuggling. Geeze, Med, you are incorrigible. Funny, but incorrigible
July 11, 2009 at 7:41 pm
I had to read your story Freedomrebel, and the last line stuck out to me.
“Said Roses of Sharon, “Poor libs …. Too late, the battle has been joined.”
Roses Of Sharon has been here at The Zoo before.
July 11, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Oy, there’s a Billy Mays commercial on the TV machine right now – you’d think they’d have pulled those after he died!
July 11, 2009 at 7:42 pm
It’s nice to meet you as well, prim8.
As you can see, our profiles are fairly free-form.
July 11, 2009 at 7:44 pm
I’ll drink almost anything with tequila in it. I guess I’ll have to mix it myself. Damn chimps…
July 11, 2009 at 7:44 pm
I engage jerks all the time. I also engage nonjerks. I am jerk neutral…
July 11, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Your welcome Krystalviews. They are not suppose to give out any of your personal info. Plus, if the blog has a privacy policy – that guy violated it big time. She then could go after him in court.
July 11, 2009 at 7:45 pm
prim8, it’s good to have you here, I’ve always enjoyed your comments at TP.
July 11, 2009 at 7:47 pm
I actually broke into my coveted stash of hefe weissens tonight – have to go into Chicago to get the good stuff, so I use it sparingly.
Ahhhh – my delicious malty pint of sanity.
July 11, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Jane, you’re the one that always recognizes a good Monty Python quote. Good to meet you too.
July 11, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Welcome Prim8
July 11, 2009 at 7:48 pm
I think our beer connoisseur, gummitch, is going to like prim8.
July 11, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Yeah, prim8, being a fellow Monty Python geek was one of the many reasons why I married Wayne.
I almost never pass on an opportunity to use an appropriate Python quote.
July 11, 2009 at 7:52 pm
House of Roberts, I personally have never heard of Roses of Sharon, but you are probably right.
July 11, 2009 at 7:54 pm
In the past 40 or so years I’ve found very few situations where a good Pythonism is not appropriate, even necessary. I guess that sorta dates me, huh?
July 11, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Rose of Sharon the bush?
So this cesspool has been up for what an hour or two? How come it is still tasteful?
July 11, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Jane, I saw a Billy Mayes commercial on TV the day after his funeral. Creepy! I guess the almighty dollar is just too compelling to show any respect for the dead. Weird!
July 11, 2009 at 7:56 pm
We can be tasteless, too? I’m gonna like it here…
July 11, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Well, prim8, I started watching Monty Python maybe early-to-mid-’70s, so you can’t be too much older than I am.
dbadass, I’m sure we’ll be tasteless soon enough.
July 11, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Tasteless is a plus, prim8.
July 11, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Krystalviews, the one I just saw had him talking on the phone to a woman who says something about ‘needing him to come down to the studio’ to do some filming. Creepy, indeed!
July 11, 2009 at 8:04 pm
I’m sure Billy Mays would have loved that, Jane.
July 11, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Speaking of tatesless…. MSNBC has this headline on their web site:
“Cheney linked to concealment of CIA project
Former vice president told agency to hide it from Congress, 2 sources say”
Sorry I don’t know how to post the link.
How much proof does the DOJ need for this man to get indicted?
July 11, 2009 at 8:07 pm
db – not the bush, the person
HOR said she has been to the Zoo, I have never heard of her.
July 11, 2009 at 8:07 pm
krystal,
Hopefully, the DoJ is investigating all this without showing it’s hand. We need to keep writing our Congress people and Obama directly. Only considerable public pressure will have an effect on politicians.
July 11, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Freb,
I wonder if he’s mistaken Witch1 for someone else. She used to use her real name here and on TP.
July 11, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Jane engaged a jerk once, but that ended the day we got married.
July 11, 2009 at 8:13 pm
krystal,
To post a link, you can just copy and paste the URL into the comment, like this:
http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2009/07/11/saturday-night-political-cesspool-parody-party/#comment-122280
July 11, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Promised my friend he could use my computer tonight to post some resumes, so I have to go relax on the couch with some Neil Young and another beer. Nice to meet you guys, and we’ll talk again…
July 11, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Zooey, I’ve given up on my Senators…John Cornyn and Kay Bailey Hutchison. They just ignore me by now. But I keep on pestering my representatives and Harry Reid. I guess I just have to be patient, but it is such a no-brainer. These barbaric criminals are so blatantly guilty!!
I think I’ll get another daiquiri.
July 11, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Thanks, Wayne! I need all the help I can get.
July 11, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Nice to see you here, prim8. Enjoy your evening!
July 11, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Yikes, krystal. Mine aren’t much better.
Larry Craig was worse than useless, and I’m not sure about his replacement Jim Risch. At least he responds to my emails with non-response letters.
July 11, 2009 at 8:17 pm
I’m starving. I’ll be back after I get something to eat.
July 11, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Freedomrebel, maybe you should do a whole post on those racist comments. The more recognition they receive for their stupidity the better it will remove all credibility from the site.
July 11, 2009 at 8:20 pm
They’re having a tribute to Billy Mays and some of those commercials are actually included in the promo for his special but they’re still airing the commercials too. They’re also airing ones with the guy who beat up the hooker and I think those were off for a while.
July 11, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Prim8,
We have three regular threads:
Daily – The Watering Hole: Our open thread.
Fridays – Music night: It means what it says.
Saturdays – The Cesspool: Anything goes, but avoid acting like a Republican (No adultery).
Our policy is to offer open discussion as long as it stays in bounds. In almost two years, we have only had to take action on fewer than six individuals.
As an organization, we are disorganized. I have yet to meet another Critter in person, but I am aware of their every whim, habit and concern. On occasion, you may notice a little in-play amongst us and occasionally, some of our guests, but that occurs because we are very close.
July 11, 2009 at 8:21 pm
krystalviews, I think here if you just copy the code at the top of the page you want to link to it it turns into a link by itself here. It’s worth a try and somebody can edit it if it doesn’t work.
July 11, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Sounds good, Shayne — as long as she doesn’t actually link to freeperville. A link the article should be sufficient.
July 11, 2009 at 8:22 pm
krystal,
To learn how to do it like you see at TP, just go there logged in so you can post a comment. Go to the comment box and type anything you want (YOU WILL NOT BE POSTING THAT COMMENT!)
Highlight a portion of what you typed (it doesn’t matter what for these purposes) and click on the “link” box. A small pop-up will appear (you may have to tell your computer this is okay) wherein you type a URL. Copy and paste the one at the top of the page you are on page for this lesson. Click okay and look at what appears in the comment box.
Follow that exact format, but substitute the URL of the site you want to link to where you see the “http…” in quotation marks. Everything outside of that must match what you type. I hope that’s clear. I might have messed that up a bit.
If you are interested in how to do special effects, I can direct you to an HTML tutorial that explains it really well. Trust me, to do the same kinds of things you see people do all the time, it is much, much easier than you might think. The complicated stuff comes when you have to design a web page using HTML. Which I won’t bother going into.
July 11, 2009 at 8:24 pm
I went to the source, NYT and copied the code at the top.
This is what came out:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/12/us/politics/12intel.html?_r=1&ref=global-home
It doesn’t look right, does it?
July 11, 2009 at 8:26 pm
I’m starving. I’ll be back after I get something to eat.
====
Might I suggest the lady try the crab?
July 11, 2009 at 8:27 pm
OMG…..it worked! I appreciate the education I just got!
July 11, 2009 at 8:28 pm
WAS,
“Jane engaged a jerk once, but that ended the day we got married.”
That sounds like the best double innuendo that I ever heard!
July 11, 2009 at 8:29 pm
That’s perfect, krystal.
July 11, 2009 at 8:30 pm
I’m too far inland, db, and I can’t stand the thought of their crab screams as they hit the boiling water…
July 11, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Shayne, were you talking about the Shamwow guy? Heh! I was surprised to see him on TV after the hooker incident! hee hee.
July 11, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Wayne
What I sometimes do is use TP to create a comment intended for another site that doesn’t have preview or formatting buttons.
I start by using buttons for formatting, then I preview the comment and if I like what I see, I copy it from the comment box and paste it into the comment box at the site where I intend to post it – then I refresh the page at TP and that clears the comment so it won’t be posted at TP
July 11, 2009 at 8:35 pm
krystalviews, no, not Shamwow guy (that hooker thing was pretty funny). Billy Mays (sp?) did the Oxy-clean commercials and some other ‘useful gadget’-type commercials. Black hair and beard, spoke loudly.
July 11, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Clever, Reg!
I wish we had the formatting buttons here.
July 11, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Walt, you know Wayne just loves those double-innuendos!
July 11, 2009 at 8:38 pm
I found a comment on TP, referring to Jeff Gannon as Bush’s personal smegma czar.
July 11, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Maybe the next Sham-Wow commercial could demonstrate how well the product cleans up blood splatter that were a consequence of having ones face beaten into a pulp by an irate hooker.
July 11, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Jane, Shayne said: “They’re also airing ones with the guy who beat up the hooker and I think those were off for a while.”
That’s the ugly Shamwow guy, right?
July 11, 2009 at 8:43 pm
That’s the Shamwow guy, krystal.
July 11, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Oh, sorry, krystalviews, I must have missed Shayne’s comment. Yup, THAT’s the ugly Shamwow guy. But he sure does know how to demonstrate a product.
July 11, 2009 at 8:46 pm
The Shamwow guy also had an ad for a chopper thing. One of his lines was “You’re gonna love my nuts.”
I wonder if that’s what he said before he beat up the hooker?
July 11, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Shamwow and Slapchop. What a goof.
July 11, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Zooey, there are 378 comments in the most recent TP thread. Do you remember what # that Jeff Gannon comment?
July 11, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Hey dbadass I had sea bass in miso for dinner. It’s not my favorite sauce for sea bass I must say. This place usually has it in a vera cruz sauce that is much better.
Oh and don’t go getting to cocky, all those kids need is a day of practice and who knows what will happen.
July 11, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Oh please don’t wade through that thread, krystal. Horrors!
You can find it here.
July 11, 2009 at 8:50 pm
kv,
Just ‘PF3′ and search for “Gannon” til you find it.
July 11, 2009 at 8:51 pm
#228
July 11, 2009 at 8:51 pm
You’re gonna love my nuts? Really? I missed that.
I’m laughing so hard I can hardly type.
July 11, 2009 at 8:54 pm
krystal,
No matter where my son was in the house, every time my son heard, “You’re gonna love my nuts,” he’d sing out, “That’s what SHE said!”
July 11, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Damn, I’d forgotten the “you’re gonna love my nuts” one – what a piss!
Be back in a little bit – this chair is giving my sciatica agita.
July 11, 2009 at 8:56 pm
kv,
They called them prairie oysters where I come from.
July 11, 2009 at 8:58 pm
That line is just too propheric!!! I always tune him out – not any more. I’ll remember Zooey and laugh from now on!
July 11, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Max posted this link on TP:
Holder may be on verge of appointing torture prosecutor.
Fingers crossed!
July 11, 2009 at 9:00 pm
And they are “mountain oysters” in the lower Appalachians where I come from.
July 11, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Zooey, I bet he is thinkin’ of Witch1..
Shayne, I may do a post on it. I will have to see all the info I can find out.
July 11, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Walt, I understand that’s a delicacy here in Texas. Personally, I’ve never been presented with the opportunity to try them. I’m not sure if I would. It depends on how they look and smell. Heh!
July 11, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Montana has the Testicle Festival.
I wonder if they taste nutty?
July 11, 2009 at 9:05 pm
.
LINK
July 11, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Zooey, I just read that article. Like you said, all fingers and toes crossed! Inch by inch, we might get there eventually.
July 11, 2009 at 9:08 pm
OK, I’m here on the Cesspool. Thanks for the invite Zooey.
Have a ‘76 JGB Knocking on Heaven’s Door playing in the background while I read the posts….
Thanks for welcoming me here.
Theresa
July 11, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Here’s a great story from my Psych 330 class (or as it’s more commonly known “Dirty 330″ or Human Sexuality):
The professor was listing the various ingredients contained in the male ejaculate, one of the ingredients being fructose. A young virgin behind me interrupted with, “It has fructose in it, so is it sweet?” As the prof was pondering how to answer, and I was thinking what a great incentive program that would be, a male voice from the back of the room said, “No!”
Outed!
I confess I could not hold back my laughter at that point, but the prof behaved marvelously.
July 11, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Oh, and how did you know I was Theresa????
July 11, 2009 at 9:10 pm
You’ve been here before, Theresa, and I can see your email address from behind the scenes.
July 11, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Speaking of balls and Billy Mayes – here is a youtube video my daughter found the other day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY0tTewZYmY
This is the commercial about the blue balls that you throw into the washer
July 11, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Freedomrebel,
No confusion. I know Witch1’s name. This Rose Of Sharon person came here once and argued with us, but I can’t remember the topic. I tried to use the Search feature, but it doesn’t reach into comments, only posts’ content. It was probably either August or January to March while I was off for my foot.
July 11, 2009 at 9:14 pm
HOR, Okay, I have never read her here.
July 11, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Did you ever see the Pitchmen show where Andrew Sullivan was swimming in shark-infested waters to demonstrate the effectiveness of the electronic shark repellent while Billy Mays was chumming in another boat. Hysterical.
July 11, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Great story, Zooey. Wonder how the class would have reacted if a “Yes” came out instead.
July 11, 2009 at 9:20 pm
krystal, I would have died laughing!
July 11, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Freedon, that video is too funny. It has over one million hits…amazing. But the “credits” at the end stole the show.
July 11, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Do any of you watch that strange food show with Andrew Zimmerman or the one with Anthony Bourdain on the Travel Channel. When they show those “oysters” raw they really take the edge of an appetite.
July 11, 2009 at 9:27 pm
I never watch those shows, Shayne. Especially now that I’m cable-free.
They make me want to puke!
July 11, 2009 at 9:29 pm
whomisspoketoday (aka Theresa),
I never saw that show, but my son was a fan. Sounds great!
July 11, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Hi everybody, especially the new comers.
Chivas for me tonight. With ribs on the Barbie…
and a special welcome back to True Blue and Freedom Rebel, whom I notice have posted recently. Luv you both!
July 11, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Reggie, I just went to your Cookbook link. YUCK! That looks gross. I thought it was a joke!
Shaye, I’ve seen the Zimmerman show. I can never watch him while I’m eating. eewwwwweeee!
July 11, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Hello, BnF, you high class drinker, you.
Not trueblue, but Big Blue.
Not that I wouldn’t love to have trueblue back…
July 11, 2009 at 9:34 pm
By the way, I think it’s time we tried to figure out a way to have a “recommend” or “kudos” type button on comments, similar to TP.
I’ve noticed a few comments where I would have loved to click something like that, just to let people know their comment is appreciated.
July 11, 2009 at 9:36 pm
“Zooey
July 11, 2009 at 7:26 pm · Who do I have to bang on the head to get a drink around here…?”
which “head” and what’ll ye have?
kin I interest ye in a glass o’ Kiltlifter?
July 11, 2009 at 9:38 pm
BnF,
I can’t believe you’re the first one to pick up on that comment!
Yes, I’ll have a glass o’ Kiltlifter. Vintage?
July 11, 2009 at 9:41 pm
BnF,
Good to see you, my friend. Feelings of wellness directed to you.
BTW, I was hoping you could offer your expertise to answer a question I posted earlier.
Wouldn’t a law that retroactively made some illegal activity legal and immune from prosecution or civil action be, in itself, an ex post facto law, which is prohibited by the Constitution to both the Congress and the States (separately and clearly)?
And in the interest of impartial justice, I will not reveal of which situation I am referring.
(yeah, like you wouldn’t know
)
July 11, 2009 at 9:42 pm
I’d love to see trueblue back, too. I was thinking of her the other day when I was talking to someone about Cape Cod.
Good evening, Briseadh–Chivas sounds good to me, but it probably wouldn’t be cool with the Vicodin.
Hi, whomisspoketoday/Theresa. ‘Theresa’ is my confirmation name, which makes my full initials J.E.T.S. Thus I unknowingly doomed myself to be a NY Jets fan. (sigh)
July 11, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Wow.
What kind of world do we live in?
July 11, 2009 at 9:43 pm
“BnF, I can’t believe you’re the first one to pick up on that comment!”
Hey, what can I say…I’m about the best there is….especially when it comes to double entendres…
gotta go flip the ribs…later….
July 11, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Hey, I pour beer samples and sell beer at a brewery. Just step up to the bar. I am a professional….
July 11, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Another beer person for gummitch to love!
July 11, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Yeah, those imbedded ID chips are a great idea…
July 11, 2009 at 9:48 pm
I remember when I used to love to drink beer. Alas, it became too much of a habit and I had to quit. Probably for the best.
July 11, 2009 at 9:48 pm
I love beer. Drinking a nice hoppy libation presently. Hops Infusion. The hoppier the better.
July 11, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Wouldn’t a law that retroactively made some illegal activity legal and immune from prosecution or civil action be, in itself, an ex post facto law?
Nope. Ex post facto goes to making a legal act a criminal one, after the fact. It does not prevent the other way around, making a criminal act a legal one, after the fact, is totally ok.
July 11, 2009 at 9:51 pm
What kind of world do we live in?
spherical. slightly pear shaped…
“Class M planet”
July 11, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Debbie Rowe plans on attending the custody hearing.
Well, duh…
July 11, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Class M planet
If only we had the Prime Directive.
July 11, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Theresa,
I wish gummitch were here! He’d know what that means.
July 11, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Zooey,
That’s fucking creepy AND scary! I onec tried using one of those “wave your debit card”-things (instead of swiping it), and I didn’t have to enter my pin! I think I better tell my credit card company to disregard any charges made by this method. Don’t know if they’ll listen, but if you don’t have to prove it’s your card, how can it be secure?
I didn’t read the article yet, but I am sure that if he is smart enough to do this much, he can easily put the information on a real credit card. All he has to do then is figure out how to avoid getting photographed while using the fake card. He’ll have to do a lot of online shopping, which I’m sure he can do through scrambled and bounced connections to avoid detection. We could be screwed by people like that.
If it’s possible to type your credit card number into some device without actually trying to swipe it, then it might be worth it to memorize your credit/debit card numbers and leave the physical cards home. They can’t scan your brain.
Not yet, anyway. As far as I know. Which might be what they scanned into my brain.
July 11, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Hops Infusion. I bet I can’t even get it here in Talibama.
July 11, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Not yet, anyway. As far as I know. Which might be what they scanned into my brain.
Curses!! He’s figured it out!
July 11, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Zooey, sounds like Big Brother and The Police State are here to stay. As a child living abroad, I used to brag about the freedom in this country comparing it to the Military Dictatorships of the various countries I was living in.
I could not do that today! What a shame!
July 11, 2009 at 10:00 pm
On a serious note, it is terrifying, Wayne.
All this “convenience” just makes it easier for thieves — corporate and criminal (as if there’s a difference) — to get at our money.
July 11, 2009 at 10:03 pm
That’s a real loss, isn’t it, krystal?
I wonder if it’s even possible to get that back?
July 11, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Well, I’m off to bed.
It’s been a fun cesspool party!
July 11, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Goodnight, Zooey – I’m out as well, so goodnight all!
July 11, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Good night, everyone. I’m off too. I had a great time and learned some things to boot!
July 11, 2009 at 10:11 pm
BnF,
If you would indulge me a little layman’s philosophical meanderings (i.e. “bullshitting”), as I read the Constitution, Art I, Sec 9, it says that “No bill of attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed.” [Sec 10 denies the same right to the States.] Now, I know that the Latin phrase “ex post facto” translates to “after the fact.” But did the framers simply use the term because there was a Latin phrase that meant the same thing? Or did they understand it to mean only making a legal act illegal retroactively? There is an important distinction.
If the latter, as you explain, then I agree that the answer is “No” because that’s what the Framers intended. And that line of reason ought to hold up to any SCOTUS Justice.
But if they were merely using a Latin phrase (because they were well-learned men) to mean, literally, simply, “after the fact”, then I would argue that the answer would be “Yes”. A law which retroactively makes an illegal act legal would not only be, literally, a law passed after the fact, but it would amount to a pardon, which is the exclusive power of the Executive Branch. If a Corporation is, indeed, a person under the Constitution (and I am in the camp that says this is not constitutionally supportable; I know of the history of the clerk who inserted the language on his own and all that), then Bush would not have needed Congress to give the telecoms immunity, Bush could have issued them pardons. The reason he didn’t do it, IMHO, is because to would amount to an admission that they vilated the law on his orders, and that would be a direct vilation of his Oath of Office, which includes the requirement that he “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.” So they classified the whole thing and said (and I think this is a direct quote), “I’m not going to talk about it.”
July 11, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Zooey,
Gummitch would know what what means? A hoppy libation?
A hoppy beer is a taste one acquires. It’s not something you can taste first hand and say “I like it”. Most people hate it. A hoppy beer IS bitter. (That’s the tingling sensation you get in the back of your throat.) But, the more you taste, the smoother is gets and the more you like it. Once you get used to hops, there’s no going back to the dark (malty) side…
A good example of a national microbrew brand hop beer would be Sierra Nevada Pale Ale (or their wonderful seasonal Celebration Ale (absolute beer nectar)). That would be the base of hop beer; but you can climb the ladder and go to Hop Wallup, Hop Devil, Dogfish IPAs and so on…
July 11, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Goodnight Zooey, Jane and Krystal!
July 11, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Good night all. Time to walk the dog.
July 11, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Zooey,
Could you do me a small favor? Go to my blog and open the comments to the test post. Respond any way you want to test it yourself (I encourage it), it will be deleted shortly. It is a public thread. You’ll see the nonsense comments I made to test it.
Do you think we might want this for TheZoo?
I also invite other Critters to check it out. As I said, it;s just for testing. You could type stuff like “this is my reply”. We could see how it would look, and we can discuss the idea together on the next Private thread.
July 11, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Good night, house, and whosemispoketoday.
Enjoy the dog-walking.
July 11, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Goodnight Theresa/Whomisspoketoday, and Wayne!
July 11, 2009 at 10:40 pm
And remember how we talked about having the “thumbs up/thumbs down” rating system? I found out how to do that. The only question is whether our blog’s layout format (whatever it;s called, I’m trying to do this quickly) allows this feature. Mine does (and to be honest, I really like it more than TheZoo’s; no offense intended).
Leave comments therwe and let me know what you think? I’m leaving them up from now on.
Now, even if you don’t feel like leaving a comment to let me know what you think of my song parodies, you can at least give it a rating.
You can also get a “five star rating” feature instead. Perhaps we would prefer that. Thank you.
July 11, 2009 at 10:58 pm
BTW, Zooey has the top-rated comment on the TP post at the top of the current page (Addington).
Great job, Zooey. Good comment. I’ll recommend it and log out. #20
July 11, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Now she has mine also.
July 11, 2009 at 11:44 pm
But did the framers simply use the term because there was a Latin phrase that meant the same thing? Or did they understand it to mean only making a legal act illegal retroactively?
The later. It has to be read in the context of their day. Ex post facto had but one meaning, that of making a legal act illegal after the fact.
July 12, 2009 at 12:01 am
Thank you, BnF. I humbly stand corrected. I am, of course, an ignoramus compared to you in my knowledge and understanding of the law and, most importantly, of its history. I would never know if the term was used exclusively for that purpose at the time they used it, but I believe you when you say they did. And I thank you for the education. I truly do love to learn things. There’s a name for people like that, but it escapes me at the moment.
Still, wouldn’t such a law, though it be signed by the president (unfortunately without any signing statement saying he would ignore it) still impugn upon the Executive Authority of Article II?
To get to my point, if it was unnecessary for the Congress to pass such a law because it would have been within the President’s authority to grant these theoretical persons pardons, why would he insist that they do it? Was it just have been for political cover? Because that would make it even more disgusting. To retroactively immunize illegal actions performed at the president’s behest seems constitutionally prohibited by his requirement to faithfully execute the law. How the fuck could anyone excuse such pardoning, particularly because it was done at his behest, knowing it wasn’t legal no matter what his lawyers were ordered to say to justify it (bullshit that it was a “military operation” unbound by the Fourth Amendment, because the Fourth does not specify which branch of the government was immune, nor does it give any national security exceptions, for those “strict constructionists” out there.
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Am I sounding like a total idiot on this? Please be honest, because I sometimes have difficulty differentiating the things that seem obvious to me from the things that might seem obvious to everyone. It’s a social upbringing thing, no offense intended to anyone. Some things, particularly math and logic problems, come easily to me, but I know they don’t to everyone. So I consider myself a poor judge of what should be obvious to just about everyone (except for the incredibly obvious stuff, of course, except where religious fundamentalists are concerned). So are my questions about the law the kind that law professors use to make students look foolish (especially the smug know-it-alls that they don’t really like)?
P.S. If you already responded, I did add all this afterwards.
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