The Watering Hole: June 8 – Incumbent (tea)bagging

Here is a new Gallup poll, which supports what I thought for a while now. People are fed up with Washington’s elites. Incumbent Congressmen and -women are having a harder time to retain their seats as ever. Republican voters are obviously more fired up than Democrats, but Democratic members of Congress need to watch out, too.

Source: Gallup

Electing Barack Obama as President, was surely a first and very powerful sign of this sentiment of discontent. People are still fed-up with the ways of Washington, the lobbying and the arrogant sense of entitlement of the political class. This is not different over here in Europe, where outsiders from the left and right increasingly gain votes.

This should tell your President it is time to take off the kid gloves. He has the right concepts, but he condones the wheeling and dealing still and never got rid of that idea of bi-partisanship. After all, it takes two to tango and the Republicans are not dancing. This weakens his Presidency as much as his consideration for the Blue Dog Democrats who’d just need a good and healthy kick in the butt. The numbers above indicate that the tea party movement has already gone a long way to voice the outrage at politicians on their side, satisfying their voters there is an alternative, while Democrats are still more wary. In the end those who will have made their positions unmistakably clear will be favoured. It is not a matter of telling people how stupid, racist and nasty teabaggers are, this ultimately puts one in a defending position. While obsessing about the other’s behaviour one misses to point out what positives are on offer as an alternative. Leaving the stage to an opponent is not a good idea at all. The media are reporting on the tea party movement extensively, because those are voicing their opinions shrilly enough to make a good story. No need to stoop to this level but a strong message reasoned loud and clear should be heard, too. And it is needed to rally the voters. If voters are not convinced by the party of their choice they tend to stay away from the polls which is nearly as devastating as if they were voting for the opponent.

And for Barack Obama that means confronting the old-school politicians in his own party as well as in the other. I perfectly understand that cleaning up the Bush spill is overwhelmingly hard, even more so when you are dealing with obstructionism from both sides in Congress and from special interests, too. But can someone please shake your President a bit, he needs to wake up and fight now.

This is our open thread. If I can speak my mind you can, too.

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208 thoughts on “The Watering Hole: June 8 – Incumbent (tea)bagging

  1. Excellent post, EV. Thank you.

    One of the problems we have in this country is that the right wing has managed to demonize intelligence and smart thinking. Smart people with good ideas are ridiculed as “pointy-headed.” Nobody likes to be called dumb, no matter how dumb they are, and even though the smart people aren’t calling the dumb people “dumb”, there are people who are saying that the smart people are calling the rest “dumb” and the dumb people are believing them (on account of they’re dumb.) I know from personal experience that intelligence is not always admired by others, especially by the ones who severely lack it.

    As a result, reasoned discourse in American politics is almost impossible. The world is way more complex than people want it to be, and the solutions to our many problems are also complex. But people not gifted with high intelligence don’t want to hear, “Trust me, I’ve thought about this and I’ve got it figured out.” They want to feel like they were consulted about the problem, even if it’s something they know nothing about. They want to feel like they participated. Republicans understand this, and that’s why they appeal to emotion rather than reason. The problem is that they have discovered that they don’t need to be truthful when campaigning in order to win. In fact, they have found that when they are truthful, they lose. So they won’t just come out and say, “Businesses shouldn’t pay taxes at all because taxes only hurt the bottom line.” So, instead, they complain about how American businesses are taxed at the highest tax rates of anyone in the world. They won’t point out that hardly any businesses at all pay that rate, they just want to get it lowered anyway. And people, mistakenly believing, perhaps because they are dumb, that the businesses will pass those savings onto us, vote for them. Of course that doesn’t happen.

    Another problem we have is that the Republicans are so devoid of good ideas that would actually benefit average Americans (as opposed to their corporate masters) that they no longer bother debating truthfully. They know they can’t win based on the merits of their arguments, so they instead try to muddy the debate and cloud the issues so that the average voter really doesn’t know what the truth is any more. Then they end up believing the snippets they heard reported in the media, which usually consist of someone saying something completely false that goes uncorrected by the media. As a result, we have an extremely uninformed electorate. It’s a damn shame the rest of the world feels the consequences of the poor choices our citizens make each Election Day.

    • Excellent comment, Wayne. Did you happen to read the Chris Hedges article posted on the open thread yesterday? You might find it quite enlightening.

    • Good points Wayne, but I am always the optimist. I still believe the stupid are not the majority.

      You very rightly point out that Republicans appeal to the baser instincts and oversimplify in order to make people think they understand how things work out, make them feel less stupid. But what I miss in the political arena is a voiced approach to reasonable discourse.

      Very many out there are realizing the big emperor with no clothes called The American Dream isn’t working for them and hasn’t for their parents either. They realize it will not work for them in the future, too. The notion of the American Dream is a religion. It promises a better afterlife for the believers. If you don’t make it, you have sinned against the dogma, i.e. the free markets, low wages, low taxes or the general assumption that if the economy thrives you will ,too. If you repent, continue to believe and get even more orthodox you will finally see redemption coming. Opiate for the people and the big corporations’ managing boards are the high priests of this cult.

      Meanwhile people are taught to consume, i.e. make sacrifices, because it is good for the economy. Give to Ceasar what is Caesar’s but give to God (The Economy) what is His. Humble yourself, i.e. accept lower wages, to the benefit of The Economy and a thriving economy will redeem you.

      I don’t know if I have made myself clear here, my English clearly has its limitations, but this myth is about to be busted. And the people out there know it and wait for change. They need to be given an alternative and some reasonable ideas how to cure their ills. In the US the new health care legislation, nevermind its imperfections, is now accepted by a majority. Not many want it rolled back again, much to the dismay of those Republicans who based their elections platform on this. There is an urgent need to drown out the chatter of simple solutions and religious belief in the American Dream as promoted by the Church of the Thriving Economy by a strong and loud voice of reason. Obama has the intellect and the ability, he is the best political talent you’ve had in generations, he needs to use it. People out there are waiting for it, he shouldn’t disappoint them. And you will see: The reasonable and intelligent are the majority but not a silent majority anymore.

  2. I wonder about Tony Hayward, how do you become so clueless, so detached from reality? I was at BP at the start of my career and remember a couple of people I worked with who rose really high in the end and at the time they seemed like normal, reality-driven people. They may still be these people, I don’t know. I can count one sizable company CIO as a personal friend, he seems to still be.

    But in these companies, the size and reach of BP, they have these ‘fast-track’ programs, where people with talent are picked out early by the Politburo and sent all over to see how the business works, never more than 2 years in a job. They are told they ‘are special’ like this every time. I suppose that’s it, after 20 years of being told you are ‘special’, your immortality and infallibility becomes part of your own projection of yourself, even though deep down you still think you are ‘of the people’ – you simply aren’t.

    Thus I suspect it was with Tony Hayward.

  3. We can kick out a generation of incumbents, but if we don’t fix the campaign cashcow system, it’ll be a brief respite before the incoming crowd is corrupted as well.

  4. Career politicians and political dynasty’s have to end. This may be the beginning but I lack the patience and would love to see some of the fossils(John McCain for example) employment terminated.
    In the real world, when you do not perform you get canned, not promoted, or rewarded.
    Dick Cheney is a good example of foisting his daughter upon us in an effort to remain puppetmaster.

  5. Political lobbies are a large part if not the entire part of the problem.
    I also believe that all elected officials should be required to wear uncomfortable polyester uniforms and get paid minimum wage with no health benefits.

    • I also believe that all elected officials should be required to wear uncomfortable polyester uniforms and get paid minimum wage with no health benefits.

      vinylspear, I hope Congress has good air conditioning then **shudder**

  6. EV is touching on a number of shibboleths in American mythology – one of which is ‘American Exceptionalism’ which in simple summary says that because the American Revolution was borne out of ‘God-given rights to self-determiniation’ or some similar, that no other country on earth could possibly be as ‘good’.

    The Pope’s infallible too, don’t you know, God said so as well.

    Question for the day, when the Americans and the Pope disagree, who is right? Tricky bastard that God, eh?

  7. EV, as Hunter S. Thompson said of the american dream, “pure Horatio Alger”.
    If the last government bailout, perpetual wars by a top heavy military industrial cartel and a declining standard of living didn’t remove that idea from the U.S. consciousness then nothing will.

    Stating facts is not ranting, don’t apologize.

  8. Hi all. I feel like a brand new mom that brought home a toddler instead of an infant. The puppy is almost housebroken and then maybe I’ll have a life. The puppy wants to eat the old dog’s food and the old dog wants to eat the puppy food, oy.

  9. EV,

    Your command of English is superior to many Americans I know (or read about, say, on TP). Please, do not apologize or be self-conscious about it. In fact, you are better at choosing the words you want to use than most people, and the end result is a much better written post than most people on this side of the ocean could ever write. I am in awe of you. :)

    Zooey,

    I have not noticed 5th in the last few days. I hope he’s alive and not out in the cold completely.

    • Wayne, I have a bad feeling that he is. I’ve sent him a couple emails, which have gone unanswered. He usually responds, even if he’s not been on the Zoo or TP.

  10. That could be, muse. He may have had to face the extremely unpleasant choice of selling his computer to buy food or going without eating. I hope not, but it would be completely understandable.

  11. “I’ve sent him a couple emails, which have gone unanswered.”

    Z, that is not a good sign – last posting for 5th, on TP, was around the 28th or 29th May.

    —————
    I’ve not read Hooda (nor his nom de plume) for a few days. Was the nasty weather in his part of the country?

  12. “Good post on C&L about Glenn Beck and his defense of his defense of nazi sympathizers.”

    Wow Wayne.. Just.. wow……
    Do you think he REALLY believes this stuff he keeps saying? I just figured it was for shock value and the ratings.. You know, entertainment value.

  13. I don’t know, muse. I said along time ago that if the Glenn Beck everyone sees on TV is just a character, like Stephen Colbert is a character on his show, then Beck should just say so and everyone will shut the hell up. Instead, he insists that this is the real him and not some goofy character.

    So, the question becomes, “How far do you let him go with it?” He has now gone from accusing everybody of being Nazis (especially Obama) to praising a Nazi sympathizer, and then defending his praise of her. Should his employers make him undergo psychiatric evaluation to see if he really does suffer from some kind of delusion? Or would they rather not know that kind of thing and just keep letting him say more and more outrageous things.

    It wouldn’t be such a problem except that media mogul Rupert Murdoch, who has no respect for Journalism, will just have his semi-news outlets report what Beck says as if it’s provable fact.

  14. Do you think he REALLY believes this stuff he keeps saying? I just figured it was for shock value and the ratings.. You know, entertainment value.

    I’ve always assumed he’s essentially just a shock jock.

    Sadly, his viewers/listeners don’t realize that he’s just an entertainer.

    • I think Beck is seriously mentally ill, and the barriers between “shock jock” and “insane paranoid asshole” have long since disappeared.

  15. The right has nothing so they have to play the divide and conquer game that elites have been playing for years. How did racism take off in our society? I’ll repeat it again, as I have ad nauseam, but this is important history that everyone should learn. Edmund Morgan in his book American Slavery, American Freedom argues convincingly that Tidewater plantation owners were scared sh1tless when they saw the last holdouts from Bacon Rebellion consist of about 80 blacks and whites, slave and indentured servants. The lesson they’ve learned is that the elites could not maintain power if those below them in the economic ladder rallied together to fight them. So they used racism to distinguish between black and white to make black the other that both they and the poor whites would use to assure themselves that they were at least equal in theory.

    During the Civil War, secession commissioners used the specter of interracial marriage to persuade yeoman farmers that they should join in fighting the North. Granted the yeoman farmers wanted to defend their homes as well, but many of them were persuaded that the Yankees would come down South to force the slaves to marry their daughters. To be fair, there were many Southerners who did not buy the whole canard and actually saw through it.

    Today, the right uses racism and homophobia to scare voters who would never vote against their economic interests if it weren’t for the fearmongering. Today the teabaggers are taught to believe that Obama is a foreigner who stole the election and is illegitimate or that the gays are going to force their children to become gay.

    • kitty, good to have you here, I saw you on TP a couple of times, but I am not really a regular there anymore.

      This racism angle is interesting. It is one mark of fascism to have one group to be held against the majority. Be it ethnic, or national or just plain different than the mainstream. This helps to secure the power of the leading elites for just the reasons you named here!

      • This also reinforces my belief that racism is at the heart of the teabagger movement, even though they will deny it to their dying breath.

        Of course, it’s not the only issue, but it certainly is a large part of the movement.

      • Divide and conquer. Create fear and division. I heard some of this rational and history from listening to Randi Rhodes in the car a couple of months ago. Though, I think she went back even further, and it had something to do with the Revolutionary War and England as well, and how the elite hung on to all the land, the leaders and judgeships, made all the rules, etc.. and kept all the rest of the people poor and in line. When the poor blacks and whites started rebelling together, then I think it was such a threat it was handled in much the same way. Though, I am totally going on what I remember her saying, and I really don’t know this part of history.

        Thanks usckitty on that history lesson though. I honestly had never heard that part before.

        • usckitty, welcome from me too. I am enjoying reading your comments. EV, Wayne, and Gummitch too. Great discussion today. Well, every day really.. From everyone..
          I love it here. It’s intelligent. It’s civil. :D

            • Thanks, EV. I’ll try to get that read this afternoon.

              I heard on Thom Hartmann yesterday that a witness said that as the rig was blowing up one of the supervisors was on the phone literally screaming at the BP honchos, “Are you fucking happy!? I told you this was going to happen!”

        • I think it also comes from feeling like you have to be “better” than someone else — anyone else.

          Take the poor white farmer living next to the poor black farmer. All a group like the KKK needed to do was put a bug in the white farmer’s ear about him being way better than his neighbor because of his white skin, and be careful cuz the black guy will rape your wife and daughters, and try to steal your land.

          It’s like Osama bin Laden — just sitting back and watching us destroy ourselves from within.

    • Hello, Kitty. Nice to see you again. :)

      I’m at work so I pop in and out. We have a few new posts up today, so enjoy!

    • I understand completely, Kitty. Sometimes people are just in a troll-bashing mood.

      We have Music Night on Friday evenings, and that can be fun, and sometimes food posts on Saturdays. :)

  16. Starting to follow a new angle where Matt Simmons, a significant voice in the oil journalism arena, suspects that the Macondo well has failed below the surface and oil has found a way out elsewhere – and that no ones counting it (yet).

    The Oil Drum is watching that one.

  17. usckitty, some of us are dummies. I found your post on Edmund Morgan to be fascinating; never even heard of him.

  18. Wow. Hell of a project here, in conjunction with Palingates, about the mystery baby.

    It’s a big document, but scroll down to the bottom to the pictures of Bristol’s transform in three months, 2007. I had seen photos of The Quitter when she obviously was not pregnant, but not these.

      • My last comment at TP is in moderation.

        This is what I said:

        realprogressive, you are a thread busting, vile and stupid asshole. Now TP ban me for that. I needed to vent, all threads are disrupted by these idiots at count three and nothing is done about it.

        I meant it.

        All this downvoting and reporting just means we are doing their moderation job for them. I get blisters from downvoting.

        • You got dinged for “asshole.” Copy & paste the comment writing “@sshole,” and it should be fine.

          I love it! :D

          • Zooey, I just wanted to say it as it is. The trolls are spewing insults that are way worse than what I said and are still there. I dare TP to ban me. I can still come here?

  19. Hi Zooey,

    I thought you were hilarious in your comments about the gay McDonalds video and the inane comments of Bill O’Reilly. So much so that I had to pop over and see what you were up to.

    You don’t disappoint much, do you?

    I can’t really comment on your blog because I don’t pay much attention to party politics since I learned that there really isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between any candidate we are given.

    But I can say definitively that I am ashamed at the multitude that have been taken in by the Teabaggers? or Teapartiers? Not sure which one is p.c.

    How can so many people be so misled by just a few cousins? All of these guys are related, even Obama… and they are all related further to the monarchy in England.

    If the American people want something to get mad about, it should be the fact that we are all in servitude to the state (via taxes).

    I don’t believe we should rally around divisive party politics, instead we should rally around and protect each other because when they start coming for us they will take the most helpless first, namely the mentally ill or the institutionalized (they have already begun placing mandatory tracking devices on them and they will be the first to be micro-chipped.

    Then they will come for the homeless and they have made sure there are plenty of them.

    Then the elderly. Any reason will suffice.

    Then they will come for the unemployed. Once the homeless and elderly are gone, your tax record will seal your fate. If you have made even the most minute mistake on your taxes in the past 30 years, you will lose everything and revert back to the condition of homeless.

    Then they will condense and confine the rest of us within ‘workable’ parameters within the city and there we (our children and our children’s children) will be for the rest of our days.

    There will only be enough people left to work so that they (the elite) can maintain their way of life.

    It’s gonna’ get ugly.

    But I have faith that the few that are awakening now will be enough to make the shift. Indeed they may be the salvation of us all.

  20. Kathleen Parker on Hairball, about Sarah Palin campaigning for Nikki Haley in South Carolina:
    “Palin helped a lot, she bumped her up 10 points, and gave her legitimacy.”

    Excuse me, Palin gives a candidate legitimacy?

  21. Interesting editorial in today’s New York Times:

    BP said on Monday that another processing ship would be ready to start receiving oil by the weekend. One has to wonder when this feckless outfit — whose chief executive finally admitted last week with chilling understatement that he did not have the “tool kit” to control deep-water blowouts — will ever get ahead of this or any other problem.

    Then there is the issue of BP’s shaky credibility. Only a few weeks ago, the company estimated the spill at 5,000 barrels a day. Government experts later revised this figure upward to 12,000 to 25,000 barrels. That terrifying number may still be too modest in view of the fact that the 11,000 barrels a day now being captured are only a fraction of the total.

    • What is BP doing with the oil they’ve captured? Are they going to be allowed to make a profit on it?

  22. They’ve said they’ll use the proceeds from the captured oil for habitat restoration in the gulf region.

    • zxbe, I’ll believe that if it’s carved in stone!

      Turtle, I’m thinking you’re onto something…

    • Thanks zxbe. I just came across this article in the LA TIMES:

      Boycott BP gas stations? That’s the wrong target

      I agree with the thinking, but for so many people in this country who feel so helpless to do anything or effect any change in how Washington operates (especially when the oil industry has so much clout on both sides of the aisle), this is where Americans can make their voices heard. Through their wallets and spending habits. I agree that it ends up hurting the small business person who is running the gas station.

      There’s also the fact that BP stations are independently owned, so a boycott hurts individual retailers more than London-based BP. And the fact that boycotts of oil companies seldom have an impact on their bottom lines. But the larger point is that human error can lead to disaster on any oil rig, owned by any company, at any time. That’s why expanding offshore drilling, as President Obama and members of Congress on both sides of the aisle propose to do, is such a bad idea.

      Yes, it’s a bad, bad idea (expanding offshore drilling).

  23. Z, it’s one of those gimmicky PR things. They were going to foot the bill for that anyway. So in essence, they’re still profiting from the oil they’re capturing as it’s offsetting what they would have spent.

  24. “Zooey
    June 8, 2010 at 2:18 pm I think it also comes from feeling like you have to be “better” than someone else — anyone else.

    Take the poor white farmer living next to the poor black farmer. All a group like the KKK needed to do was put a bug in the white farmer’s ear about him being way better than his neighbor because of his white skin, and be careful cuz the black guy will rape your wife and daughters, and try to steal your land.”

    Oh yeah, they used the Santo Domingo revolt in Haiti to gin up fear and loathing and to try to silence anyone who might dare express a desire to stay in the Union right before the war…

    One thing I’ll never forget is reading James McPherson’s book, For Cause and Comrades: Why Men Fought in the Civil War…about the Yankee soldiers who were astounded when a Confederate yeoman farmer they captured told them, “You Yankees want to come down here and force our daughters to marry the slaves.” They had asked him why a poor farmer who had no slaves fought…

    • That is just amazing, Kitty.

      If people would stop and think about things, they might realize how idiotic they’re being. But it probably wouldn’t occur to them to stop and think.

  25. Muse,

    Arco is a BP chain, any Gulf stations still around, so are they. Amoco? I think they are all gone.

    Castrol motor oil too, I think.

    I would say Gordon’s English Gin too, but they divested their chemicals business about 6 years ago.

  26. Muse, Exxon got smart in the 90s and reacted to their name issues after Exxon Valdez by getting out of frontline sales (when was the last time you went to an Exxon station?)

    • Thanks Terry. I am making a list. All the letter-writing to Congressmen and Senators is like screaming into the wind..

  27. muse, I’m glad you brought up the issue about the local retailers vs. BP. They’ve talked about that on our local news a bit.

    I had a friend who owned a gas station a few years back, and in his gas sales, were pretty much a break-even proposition. The profit for his business was the convenience store portion which had nothing to do with the oil company supplying his gas.

    So, I’m inclined to actually go buy some stuff out of the store of a local BP station just to help the local business owner, but continue to buy my gas elsewhere (which I had been doing anyway).

    • I’ve heard that a lot of people are cutting up their BP cards. I think it’s a good idea. Do they make money on the interest charged for the privilege of buying their gas by using their credit cards? Like any other credit card? Just curious..

  28. tell me about it Zooey…People just need to think and see how they’re being played for fools while their corporate masters laugh all the way to the bank…along with their cronies in Congress…

  29. Terry, no problem.

    It’s an important point you make about how Exxon re-branded itself. BP will undoubtedly do the same; quietly buying up some regional brands to front their product, or through dummy companies, creating new brands altogether.

  30. Cue a troll telling us all to stop driving, buying hot dogs in a wrapper and other such BS. Oh wait this is not TP….

  31. We have Exxon stations in Alabama.

    All the gas sold here comes from one distribution center in Birmingham. All the haulers are independents, so you never see a truck with an oil company logo anymore. If people here boycotted BP stations, the other brands would just sell more of the same gas.

  32. I got an idea. I go to the next shareholders meeting and everyone tells me how to vote!

  33. That’s the other thing, you really don’t know where the gasoline came from even at the branded stations.

  34. Can I Tell Which Country or State the Gasoline at My Local Station Comes From?
    The Energy Information Administration (EIA) cannot definitively say where gasoline at a given station originated since EIA does not collect data on the source of the gasoline sold at retail outlets. The name on the service station sign does not tell the whole story. The fact that you purchase gasoline from a given company does not necessarily mean that the gasoline was actually produced by that particular company’s refineries.

  35. Bingo, 2ebb. It’s a racket…. Now, as has been previously dealt with during the ‘buy from Citgo – Venezuela gets the profits’ discussions of only a few years ago on TP, the origin of the gasoline is actually immaterial with respect to the companies profits. It just means that you really can’t single out one of them in a negative campaign. The poor station owner, scratching out a living on his sharecropper station franchise gets stuffed instead.

  36. Just a quick note in passing. I’m on the road and won’t be around much until Friday.

    The best thing about SD is the 75 mph speed limit on the Interstate.

  37. How did he get the job away from Robert Wagner.

    12% reporting SC Gov. Nikki Haley at 42% Barrett at 29%, looking like a runoff.

  38. Polls closed in Maine and New Jersey, closing in Arkansas in 7 minutes.

  39. Lincoln and Halter have a little over 5000 votes each, not even .1 % reported yet.

    36% reporting, Haley at 46%, she might squeak past if she’s lucky.

  40. Haley at 48.9% with 83.6% reporting, Barrett a distant 2nd. He may decide to forego a runoff.

    19.6% reporting, Lincoln leads Halter by about 3500 votes
    Lincoln holds a slight lead in Garland County with half the precincts reporting. Garland is where the polls were cut from 42 to 2, and Halter was supposed to be strong.
    I’m not liking this.

    • Any chance the Dem will win against Haley?

      Lincoln had to get her corrupt buddy to help her steal an election she couldn’t possibly win fairly. Let’s hope the voters of Arkansas stick it to her.

  41. The CA gooper gubernatorial primary: between Meg Whitman (she of e-bay) and Steve Poizner.
    Each accusing the other of being ‘liberal’. And each stating how they’d ‘fix’, by taking away any safety net that would be of assistance to those in most need, the state.
    Meg has poured $71m of her own money into the race. Steve, a mere $22m.

    Carly Fiorina (she of let’s take HP down) hopes to unseat Boxer come November.
    Carly has poured $7.4 million into the senate primary race.

    It is totally obscene that they have that much of their own money to pour into this –

    Our polling places close at 8p.

    • How much does the Gov job pay in California? Surely not $71M or $22M!

      It’s not about the job or the people of CA, it’s about the power.

  42. That $71 million was not a typo! That is so insane – to even have that much to ‘throw away’/’spending money’/’discretionary spending’!

  43. A lot more Rs voted than Ds in S Carolina. Turnout might be better in the general. DeMint got 83% in his primary.

  44. “The Three Little Pigs” memo

    I’m curious if BP had ‘Dead peasants’ insurance on the oil rig workers who lost their lives.
    —-

    CA Gov. salary: around $215,000.

  45. 44.4% reporting, Lincoln lead slips to just over 3000 votes.

    Garland County still at 52.4% reported. Same as earlier.

  46. Garland County reported to 100%. Lincoln led Halter there by 46 votes 3666 to 3620

    New numbers!!!!!!!!!!!! 55% reporting!

    Halter 84,239

    Lincoln 80,803

  47. The ‘birther queen’ may win the repiggie primary.
    It would be most frightening if she’d win out over Debra Bowen (D)- (current Sect. of State) in November.

    People aren’t really voting intelligently – only ‘get the bums/incumbents out.

    I truly fear for CA if Taitz gets the office.

  48. House, that’s some race – in this day of ‘instant’ electronics that’s weird about the corrections/reversal.

  49. 63.5% reporting, back the other way!

    Lincoln 94,109

    Halter 89,223

    • That’s some fishy stuff, House. Someone is messing with the votes.

      What am I saying? Of course someone is messing with the votes! Lincoln’s little elections buddy!

      • Too funny! It’s a sign!! I was going to watch “Life of Brian” tonight.. Keith mentions “Life of Brian”. I tells ya.. It’s a sign!! Filling my glass with wine and settling in.

    • Sorry, since I watched those films with how easy it is to manipulate those electronic voting machines, I don’t trust any elections any more. :-(

  50. I’m at Politico.com.
    There’s a thing on their homepage, or you can go to the live map, and do it state by state, and even county by county.

  51. Rachel has that too.
    I think those numbers got reversed a while ago, at 55% reporting.

    Greene got 59% of the votes for 99,230
    DeMint got 83% of the votes for 339,229

    • I hope Halter calls for a serious investigation into what happened in that county. Seems like the voters should be able to sue because their civil rights were violated.

        • Once a race is called, do they ever change it? Halter is creeping up on Lincoln, and only 89% of the precincts have reported.

          I really hope he doesn’t concede until every single vote is counted.

  52. I just emailed this to Faiz:

    Quite awhile back, we had an exchange in which I asked for better moderation on the comments. Your response, if I can paraphrase, indicated that the legitimate commenters could simply stop encouraging the trolls by responding to them. While I see this as pretty unrealistic — take a look at other liberal blogs to see how there is virtually no tolerance for trolls — we made an honest attempt to foster this behavior, especially last Thursday, but at various times over the weekend. Some people will never stop playing with the trolls, but most people got on board and we were making progress. Your moderators helped considerably by actively banning two of the more busy and offensive disruptive posters, individuals who make no contribution to a discussion but are online solely for the attention. This was very encouraging and well received. However, now, less than a day later, the same individuals are back posting the same creepy comments, having only changed accounts. Where is the incentive, Faiz, for people to believe that anything can be changed or improved if they see the futility of an attempt to clean things up.

    TheZoo is hosted by WordPress, just like ThinkProgress. At TheZoo, we easily ban people by their IP address–it was simply built into the hosting software. Why doesn’t TP do the same, to discourage comments by individuals who, usually self-confessed, are only online to disrupt, to mock, and to derail discussion? Who does that serve?

    A week or so back, I decided to stop even reading ThinkProgress because things had gotten so bad. Almost at the same time, people made this active attempt to clean things up in the comments, and I was reminded why I enjoy the blog so much. Now I feel betrayed, honestly. I simply do not get what it is you’re trying to accomplish.

  53. gummitch, I have to admit and I’m being brutally honest…I’m a part of the problem as well…just can’t resist sometimes…although I do try to actually put across a point of view that they refuse to hear as civilly as I can get…

    • Over the years, I’ve learned a lot from good commenter responses to trolls, but this happens less and less as responses turn to personal insults and flat-out bizarre crap.

      Some ONLY to TP to bash trolls. That’s all they do there, and in my view they are no better than trolls. TP used to be a really good blog.

  54. hey Zooey, do you remember Meg Whitman’s great new original idea that no one had ever thought of?

    sh1tting on those who needed welfare…Wayne said it best up there…they have no good ideas…so they have to trot out the same old bullsh1t ideas just repackaged differently…

    • Yeah, too many people are living for too well on welfare and food stamps. :roll:

      I finally figured out my primary vs. election problem. Oy…

  55. oh yeah, her ad was like let’s reduce the time from 5 years to 2 years…BRILLIANT! and that Guinness commercial just went through my head…

  56. Both Fiorina and Whitman are out on their asses! California thanks them for spending so much money in the state.

    Huh? Fiorina is winning her primary. She goes against Boxer in November. Likewise Whitman against Jerry Brown for Calif. Gov.

  57. Well there it is: for Lyndon Johnson it was Kronkite.

    Johnson said ‘I’ve lost America because I’ve lost Kronkite.’

    Well Obama has lost Jon Stewart.

  58. 2ebbandflow
    June 8, 2010 at 8:33 pm
    usckitty, do you still live in the South Bay?

    HELL yeah, born and raised…home of many vegan restaurants, and not too far from the best bookstores in California…Moe’s and City Lights

  59. Here’s one concern I do have about TP.

    Washington’s latest pariah: The BP lobbyist

    At the Podesta Group, Tony Podesta, brother of Obama insider John Podesta, represents the company’s interests. Podesta told the Wall Street Journal that BP had asked its lobbyists not to talk to the press.

    So far the BP coverage hasn’t been too favorable, yet how long can a blog run by a corporate lobbyist attack the hand that signs the checks? And if the President is cozy with the same lobbyist…

  60. Oh man, when I went up to Seattle…I spent $90 at Moe’s…and then once I got to Powell’s spent $150 (nice not to have any sales tax, that was one book), went up to Seattle, spent more, and once I came back to Portland spent $40 at the other branch, and another $50…

  61. It’s nice just messing with Motomark…I like using his words against him…If he claims to have a doctorate, well he’s not conducting himself like someone who does…

  62. well I am a compulsive spender and with a credit card and emotional spending…well I’m a wreck waiting to happen…heh…but I’ll dig myself out of it…

    • I’ll have a lifetime of paying back my student loans. I certainly won’t pay ahead on them, since I’d prefer to die still owing them. :D

  63. Yeah, me too…I figure I’ll manage…I just have to eat better and take better care of myself. I have plans and I want to live to achieve them…

    but hey…at least unlike the doctor, you or I don’t need to tear others down for our self-esteem…

    • Hell, no! I do well, and I like to see others do well. It certainly doesn’t take anything away from me to help, encourage, or acknowledge the success of others.

      • Damn that Blanche Lincoln. She cheated to win, and now the Repiggie will probably take the seat from her.

  64. and motomark can never know that…because he needs others to make himself feel better. I truly pity that in him…as someone who is not willing to be his punching bag as he would like me to be, I cannot help but to wonder what in hell happened to him…but this is my codependency talking…

    • I don’t give a flying flip what happened to him. He’s grown up, so it’s time to learn to be decent — which he obviously chooses not to do.

      I feel sorry for his alleged kids. Just like he’s doing with the Malia Obama quote about plugging the hole, I don’t have a single doubt that he grinds away at his kids the same way. Heaven forbid they ever make a really big mistake…

  65. usckitty, if you’re in San José – check out ‘Recycle Books’. It’s on The Alameda, just past Race St.

    The building used to be the local roller-rink (when I was a kid many, many decades ago).

    ——-

    If the turn-out for November is high – Boxer keeps her seat. If low, I fear Fiorina will win with the ‘throw out the incumbents’.

  66. 2ebbandflow
    June 8, 2010 at 9:03 pm
    usckitty, if you’re in San José – check out ‘Recycle Books’. It’s on The Alameda, just past Race St.

    The building used to be the local roller-rink (when I was a kid many, many decades ago).

    I go there all the time… :-)

  67. Whoa…

    That’s pretty good…

    I remember my own log on…

  68. oh man, realprogressive I believe is OSTL…I’ll never let that bastard live calling Jamie Lee Jones a tramp down…

  69. “Zooey
    June 8, 2010 at 9:04 pm
    I don’t give a flying flip what happened to him. He’s grown up, so it’s time to learn to be decent — which he obviously chooses not to do.

    I feel sorry for his alleged kids. Just like he’s doing with the Malia Obama quote about plugging the hole, I don’t have a single doubt that he grinds away at his kids the same way. Heaven forbid they ever make a really big mistake…”

    I feel sorry for his alleged kids as well…Such a classy dad to have…and didn’t Fuzzy claim to be a grandparent as well? My gosh…talk about a sophomoric oh never mind…

    • I think the jury is still out on “realprogressive.”

      He seems able to string a few more words together.

  70. hmmm, that is true…well that means he’s not conservative guy…I mean Drill, Baby, Drill…

    I saw his “throw under the bus” quote and figured it was OSTL because that was his shtick concerning Lincoln…

    • Kitty, I don’t think he’s a new troll. Certainly one of the old ones, but we’ll see if he devolves into the OSLOSER pattern.

  71. ***woozy, disoriented look on face…***

    Sheesh… wha the … is going on over at TP?

    And they call US animals?

  72. Whitman is witless.
    There better be a huge turnout in November.
    She would be so devastating to this state.

  73. therepublicofstupidity
    June 8, 2010 at 9:27 pm
    ***woozy, disoriented look on face…***

    Sheesh… wha the … is going on over at TP?

    And they call US animals?

    yes, my name is Kitty…but then again, I do consider the cats superior to humans…

  74. TRoS – did you vote for Orly? (super snark, of course).

    I couldn’t believe she actually thought of running for ANY office.

  75. Zooey sez:

    TRoS, maybe you need to fast for a few days, and then go over there for a snack.
    __________

    Oh sure… greaaaaaaaaaat suggestion…

    I’d be sick for weeks…

  76. 2ebbandflow sez:

    TRoS – did you vote for Orly? (super snark, of course).
    __________

    ***shudders at mention of the name…***

    Saaaaaaaaay… it just got cold in here… sun go behind a cloud or something?

    Srsly… it’d serve CA Republicans right to be stuck w/ her in a general election as their candidate…

  77. 2ebbandflow
    June 8, 2010 at 9:34 pm
    TRoS – did you vote for Orly? (super snark, of course).

    I couldn’t believe she actually thought of running for ANY office.

    I can believe how many trolls voted for her…considering the ones TP has…I can imagine people with TEH STUPID would gravitate towards someone like Orly Taitz…

  78. usckitty sez:

    I couldn’t believe she actually thought of running for ANY office.

    I can believe how many trolls voted for her…considering the ones TP has…I can imagine people with TEH STUPID would gravitate towards someone like Orly Taitz…

    Teh Stupid has a strong gravitational pull… kinda like a black hole… we can’t really ‘see it’ but we know it exists because nothing can escape its pull once it’s sucked in…

  79. Zooey sez:

    Oops, my bad. I forgot about last time…
    ____________

    All my fur fell out…

    It was humiliating…

    The taunting… being called a overweight Chihuahua by all the other bears…

    The runs…

    Let me tell you about those runs…

  80. oh yes TRoS, how many forms of TEH STUPID do we see at TP daily? I mean we have someone with a doctorate acting Republicanish, we have “realprogressive” pretending to be one of us…we have Drill, baby, drill uttering seven word posts about killing TEH GAYS…too many ways to count…they number like the stars…

  81. usckitty sez:

    oh yes TRoS, how many forms of TEH STUPID do we see at TP daily?
    __________

    Comparing them to stars is a little too kind, or insulting to stars…

    It really makes you wonder… is this the best some folks can do w/ free speech?

    Really?

    • TRoS sez:
      It really makes you wonder… is this the best some folks can do w/ free speech?
      Really?

      It’s easier to fear and hate than it is to think and love.

  82. All right… all right…

    No descriptions of the runs…

    Sheesh…

    It’s not like I bin eating lemmings or something…

  83. Zooey sez:

    It’s easier to fear and hate than it is to think and love.
    __________

    Painfully true, that…

  84. therepublicofstupidity
    June 8, 2010 at 9:50 pm
    usckitty sez:

    oh yes TRoS, how many forms of TEH STUPID do we see at TP daily?
    __________

    Comparing them to stars is a little too kind, or insulting to stars…

    It really makes you wonder… is this the best some folks can do w/ free speech?

    Really?

    I like to think that I’m being kind rather than insulting to stars…Considering that stars are born from the holy breath of cats *wink wink, I would have to watch what I say…

    okay, I’ll leave my fantasy world of Arcadia now…

  85. Zooey sez;

    Lemming are better than trolls…cuter too!
    ___________

    Try telling that to the wolf…

    She goes bonkers at the mere thought…

    Poor li’l lemmings…

    • TRoS sez:
      She goes bonkers at the mere thought…

      Which is hi-larious! ;)

      Well, I better get to bed. The stupid alarm seems to go off earlier every morning.

      It’s been a great evening with everyone! Goodnight!

  86. Laters, Zooey. Woke up at 4:30 this morning for unknown reasons and the alarm goes off again at 5:30 tomorrow. Need some sleeps.

  87. gummitch, there was that eerie feeling…I can stomach motomark…he and I actually are on good terms, but OSTL, I can’t stand…i mean if there’s one comfort, jwest is worse than he is…

  88. usckitty, don’t expend too much energy on motormouth. He’ll turn even more vicious – and start with personal attacks (real or perceived).
    It may be best to talk around and not directly to him.
    He started attacking bizzarobrain about his epilepsy.
    On one of the health bill threads some were mentioning the amount they were paying for meds and bizz mentioned an anti-epileptic drug.
    A few days later – motor mouth brought up the epilepsy and started saying vile things to bizz about the condition.

    Just to let you know how the man operates!

  89. oh man, I missed that…

    but anyways…I’m going to lie low for a while I think…not here…I do like it here a lot…but over at TP, it’s a bit depressing…

  90. Whoa, I picked the wrong night to go to bed early. Lots of fun to catch up on here from last night. :)

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