The Watering Hole: Tuesday, December 7th – Julian Assange arrested

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The BBC reports:

The founder of the whistle-blowing website Wikileaks, Julian Assange, has been arrested by the Metropolitan Police.

The 39-year-old Australian denies allegations he sexually assaulted two women in Sweden.

Scotland Yard said Mr Assange was arrested on a European arrest warrant by appointment at a London police station at 0930 GMT.

He is due to appear at City of Westminster Magistrates’ Court later. (read all)

Don’t mess with the High and Mighty.

Don’t get me wrong here. If Julian Assange is a rapist, he will have to suffer the consequences. So should every rapist in Sweden or elsewhere. But do they? In 2007 only 13% of the 3’535 cases of rape reported to the police resulted in even the start of legal procedures, let alone a trial or conviction. I wish the police everywhere would be as adamant as in this case when it comes to dealing with rapists. Rich man’s son Carl Hirschmann in Switzerland was out on bail in no time. He’s haunting the clubs once again.

Take a look at Mikhail Chodorkowski. He’s in a labour camp in Siberia serving a nine year sentence and is again accused for some more crimes, to make sure he stays where he’s at. His real crime? Not tax evasion or fraud (though you don’t get to be the richest man in Russia by being a nice and straightforward fellow), you just don’t go to jail for that when you’re really rich in Russia (or elsewhere). He challenged Vladimir Putin politically.

Don’t mess with the High and Mighty.

Both Julian Assange and Mikhail Chodorkowski are answering to legitimate charges and no celebrity bonus should apply. But both are treated differently than others who have allegedly or really committed the same crimes.

Question: Wikileaks has published classified information from the Afghan  and Iraq war. Wikileaks has published the diplomatic cables. Both time their plans were announced beforehand and no action taken. Now wikileaks announces to publish secret e-mails from a bank. And a cyber war between those who cave to government pressure and the witty hacker community starts on their behalf. Now why would that be?

This is our Open Thread. You know what to do. The internet is still the place to voice your opinion, I don’t know for how much longer, however.

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148 thoughts on “The Watering Hole: Tuesday, December 7th – Julian Assange arrested”

  1. Trying to hold Julian Assange responsible for the leaked information is akin to holding Boeing responsible for making the aircraft that were used on 9/11.

    Hmmmm, leaked information… Valerie Plame comes to mind. No prosecution there.
    Wonder why?

  2. Beware. Be very wary. Piss off the wrong corporatocratic entity and you will be punished.

  3. Ruh roh! We’re talking in italican on Wayne’s post!

    I don’t have any Doctor Who today or tomorrow. They are having a Gordon Ramsay marathon today, and tomorrow it’s John Lennon all day (which it should be).

    • Which apparently constitutes “rape” in Sweden. Some sort of “withdrawn consent” bullshit.

      “That was marvelous, Julian, hand me my panties, would you? By the way, I’m reporting this as a rape.”

  6. “Sex by surprise.”

    Sounds like…slipping on a banana peel and …Surprise!

  7. I think the ‘sex by surprise’ thing is ridiculous. Sex without a condom is not a crime in the UK or anywhere else except Sweden, so far as I know. What do you bet that as soon as the Swedish authorities get their hands on him that he’s whisked off to the US to be disappeared? Or at least held indefinitely as a ‘Terrorist’ and enemy combatant.

    Like you said, don’t mess with the ruling class, or they’ll make you very sorry. I am curious to see what comes of the poison pill. I’d love to see some dirt on BP, B0fA and Guantanimo–though most of it is probably stuff we already know or can guess at. Things are likely going to get very interesting before this is over.

  8. Sounds like the kind of law they keep around in case they want to charge somebody of something. It’s like our IRS laws.

  9. From what I read on a comment thread in Switzerland the condom broke and he didn’t stop right there. Whatever, rumor has it – and I qualify what I read in the newspaper as rumor – the two women had a mega crush on Julian and he was just having some fun and thank you ma’am. They resented that. Woman scorned and all that.

    If so, and we have a similar case in Germany where a locally famous weather man is accused of rape by his former partner, they deserve jail time. Ou weather guru was a cheating cad with a number of ongoing “relationships” promising the women whatever they wanted to hear. He was into bondage as well, it seems. Now some say the woman is out for revenge and this is where it starts to be serious. If a woman falsely accuses a man of rape, she does a grave disservice to all the molested and raped women out there. She should do jail for that. Not only because she ruined a man’s reputation and life, but because she causes the law to doubt every woman. /rant

  11. I’m currently unable to post on TP. I click the Post as RUCerious button and…nothing..
    Anyone else experiencing this? Maybe I’m banned..!

  12. RUC, sorry I can’t help there, TP has seen the last of me for a while now. I’m glad I can make it here once in a while. Work is so interfering with my life. The good thing is, however, I’m more focused and all the stuff I had postponed doing for so long are getting done now.

  13. Yeah, I noticed or, noticed the absence of your presence. I don’t like their new format much, but appear to be addicted to posting when I have a few spare minutes. The trolls are as noxious as ever.

  14. Glad to hear you’re getting stuff done though! I’m the world champion procrastinator!

  15. The woman “accuser” in question here has ties to the CIA.

    Revealed: Assange ‘rape’ accuser linked to notorious CIA operative

    Now this begins to make sense.. Accuse the guy of a sex crime and make him out to be a deviant in order to diminish him and create doubt (check!), and then cut off his legs by cutting off all forms of financial support (check!). Oh, and then shut down (or TRY to shut down) his website (check!), and scare everyone into believing they will be in big trouble if they LOOK at what is ON his website.. (check!)
    This is nuts.

  17. EV! I had an Austrian beer the other day and wondered if you were familiar with the brewery, one that’s new to me (we don’t get much Austrian beer in Oregon). Stift Schlagl Roggen Gold (I think there might be an umlaut missing somewhere in there). Interesting beer, and I am curious whether “roggen” indicates rye in the mash.

  18. RUC, I doubt that, you should see my son. I take away the computer, the Ipod, his brother’s computer, my husband’s EePc, shut down the TV-set and take away his mobile, too. He still doesn’t get his stuff done in a timely manner. He sits there and dreams his time away. Anything but start doing stuff. I call his afternoons World Championship of Chill-Outs.

  19. gummitch, Roggen is definitely rye. They brew stuff like that. I will have to check out the one you mentioned. Tasty?

    I had Augustiner again last week. Still the best.

  20. RUC, are you linking in your comments? I note TP doesn’t like to have links within the body of the post. It won’t show that comment – but if you place the url on a separate line it seems to like that and will post the comment.

  24. You’ve been keeping them in line – unless the trolls have ‘flagged’ you and maybe RUC.
    I hope not – because it seems the ‘deletes’ are just automatic without any analysis as to who may be the author or flagger.

      • We’re supposed to get up to 37 degrees today! Woo!!

        Looks like I’ll be spending a little time this afternoon breaking up some ice and shoving it into the sunny part of the parking lot. :)

  31. “Sex by surprise”???

    Terribly sorry, but did my erect penis accidentally enter your welcoming vagina without your noticing? Silly me, how did that happen? No matter, I’m done.

    What if you’re unaware that your condom broke? Is it still a crime? (I wouldn’t know if it’s possible to be unaware of it breaking, as I have only used a condom once, before I was married. Hopefully her husband didn’t keep count of them, as she gave me one of his to use.)

  32. “We’re supposed to get up to 37 degrees today!”

    Be sure to put on the sunscreen =;>

    • Bernie Sanders’ statement on the tax cut deal:

      “In my view, it is a moral outrage that at a time when this country has a $13.8 trillion national debt, a collapsing middle class and a growing gap between the very rich and everybody else that the Republicans would deny extended unemployment benefits to 2 million workers who are desperately struggling to pay their bills and maintain their dignity. It is also beyond comprehension that the Republicans would hold hostage the entire middle class of this country so that millionaires and billionaires would receive huge tax breaks. In my view, that is not what this country is about and it is not what the American people want to see. Our job is to save the disappearing middle class, not lower taxes for people who are already extraordinarily wealthy and increase the national debt that our children and grandchildren would have to pay.
      “The immediate political task in front of us is to rally the American people so that in the next several weeks we can find at least a few Republicans who will join us in saying no to increasing the deficit by giving tax breaks to the wealthy and no to holding the unemployed and the middle class hostage.
      “I believe that we have the American people on our side on this issue. My office, and I come from a small state, has received more than 600 calls today, 99 percent of them in opposition to this so-called compromise that the president negotiated with the Republicans.
      “I will do everything in my power to stand up for the American middle class and defeat this agreement.”

  34. Wayne, my experience has been similar to yours — I somehow got through the years of promiscuity without condoms, SDTs or pregnancies. Lucky bastard, I was. I always assumed “the condom broke” was equivalent to “the dog ate my homework.” Maybe the Swedes use really cheesy condoms.

    Perhaps the real translation of the charge is “semen by surprise,” which would cover the broken (burst? split?) condom and the apparent penetration sans condom. In the latter case, the woman reportedly told him “no bareback” and he did it anyway. I consider that a pretty serious violation.

  35. Anyone else having problems with comments loading at TP? I get no comments, but a nice link that says something like “having problems with DISQUS?” and when I click on the link nothing happens.

  36. “Swedish prosecutor Marianne Ny rejected the claims of political pressure despite the case being dismissed by a chief prosecutor in Stockholm in late August.

    The complaints against Assange centre on accusations that he did not wear a condom during intercourse despite the wishes of both women.”

    ————

    The case was dismissed in August – now resurrected and we’re to believe no pressure from the U.S. to the Swedish Government?

    • President Obama on the tax cut deal:

      [Y]ou know, I will be happy to see the Republicans test whether or not I’m itching for a fight on a whole range of issues. I suspect they will find I am. And I think the American people will be on my side on a whole bunch of these fights. But right now, I want to make sure that the American people aren’t hurt because we’re having a political fight. And I think that this agreement accomplishes that.

  38. Cheeseflap says on the Elizabeth Edwards thread at TP:

    Love, graceful respect
    Ride earthly winds and its seas
    Refreshes us all

    Thank you for that. It is beautiful and appropriate.

    The abominable trolls on that thread are the reason why I usually avoid going to TP.

  40. Good to read you are doing well, EV!

    In case you’ve not read: cheeseflap has parked the 5-7-5s here
    So you won’t always have to go to TP.

  42. Thanks for relaying the Elizabeth Edwards news.
    Please don’t let me see an interview with her estranged husband.

  44. We lost another good one. May wherever she is now be a better place and may her children grow to know just what a wonderful person their mother is.

    And may John come to realize just how badly he screwed up and change his ways to be a good father. If not, may he be haunted to his dying day by his shame.

  45. I took the liberty to use cheeseflap’s poem on a Elizabeth Edwards thread. If you object, tell me and I find something else. It just moved me so.

  46. 2ebb, yes I am well, fortunately, just busy as always but in a much better way than I was. I love my job and the people I work with. The company’s just like a small “Zoo” as well.

  49. Zooey, flagged the vermin without even reading.

    Now I must go curse and spit at PayPal for cutting off an avenue for people to fund/contribute Assange/wikileaks.

    (well, ok, I’ll be in my car cursing toward the building – I’ll save the spit)

    It just so happens I pass the building on the way to the Wild Life refuge.

  50. I suspect John knew he had screwed up way before the rest of us. I just heard today that she’d been a military brat and had grown up in Japan. Nobody has anything bad to say about the woman and the more they knew her the better they speak of her. John had been spending time with her so they were separated but not enemies it seems.

    • Shayne, believe me, I wouldn’t have been so graceful about it as she was. Worthless git, John is.

    • It’s hard to know what’s in another’s relationship.

      I’ve had the experience where I truly loved someone, but he turned out not to be who I thought he was. The hurt was devastating. But after all that crap clears out of your system, you realize that although you know you’ll never be with him and know that not being with him is the best thing for you — dammit, you still like the guy as a person.

      John and Elizabeth had been together a long time, had gone through the death of a child, and have two small children. I think her eyes were finally opened to what he’d turned into, but I don’t think she could ever hate him.

  52. While John’s behavior is unforgivable men and women have done worse. Not that many years ago cheating by wealthy men was acceptable behavior. In my years as a bartender I’d seen women like Riale Hunter stalk men mercilessly. It’s not an excuse but I’ve known few men who could say no if they were under stress and somebody, especially the manipulative type, were throwing it at them.

    • Remember when Bill Clinton said words to the effect that he’d cheated on Hillary with whatsername “because he could,” and that was one of the worst things he’d ever done, for the very worst reason? Something like that.

      I think John Edwards got caught up in that kind of thinking. Hubris, arrogance, dooshbaggery, etc.

  53. Ocotillo is the former fuzzyslippers. He’s an AZ jerkoff, in case some might not have spotted it. I like to tweak him. It’s easy, and he gets mad fast. I told him not too long ago that his name, ocotillo, is an insult to the ubiquitous Sonoran Desert plant named Fouquieria splendens. Went over his head, of course, but that’s ok, it felt good.

    I flag him every time I see him post. He’s a true fascist if ever there was one. Hates everyone but white righties: AmericAryans, I call ‘em.

  57. Shayne, in all my years of travel and hotel bars and such, I have never been stalked by anyone…. Turtle must then exude nothing at all that encourages that kind of behaviour amoung the cougar or barfly community….

  58. Oh and another thing to blame President Obama for: Governor Janet ‘let em die, or go back to Mexico’ Brewer.

    If he hadn’t grabbed Napolitano, then Brewer would be unable to torment Arizonans for the crime of looking hispanic in public, nor would people be dropping dead from easily transplantable organ failures as I saw on AC360 last night.

    Even AC is becoming exasperated with the heartless hypocrisy of the Christian-Right in this country.

  62. Edwards, Clinton, Spitzer… just like professional athletes, politicians require a lot of arrogance to be successful and spend much of their lives in a sense of entitlement. My god, I deserve to boff beautiful women, even if I’ve committed to someone and even if the beautiful women don’t necessarily want to boff me. But they should.

    Think Tiger Woods.

  66. After watching that clip I am reminded of the words of Andrew Shepard. “I was so busy trying to keep my job, I forgot to do my job.”

  67. I escaped AZ just before it got really really bad. Man, am I glad I don’t have to put up with what’s happened there, where the absolute DREGS of politics have taken over and now RULE with an iron fist. I voted against Jan Brewer more times than I care to recall, likewise McCain, Kyl, and Shadegg. My soulmate Debbie actually taught one of Shadegg’s kids, met the asshole (and his lovely wife) at least twice when the boy was in seventh grade. Reminiscent in some ways of Elizabeth and John Edwards — where SHE had the brains and he had the “looks” and nothing else.

    Anyway, I still have family and friends living in AZ, and it worries me. Because the politics there is SO fucked up, and SO hate-filled. SO intolerant. So, well, Republican, for lack of a better word.

  68. TtT, part of the equation has to be that the man involved is committed to somebody the bitch knows and wants to hurt. Women like that need verification that the man is worthy because somebody better than them picked him.

  70. Shayne, men are highly susceptible to predation. Particularly in middle age. Egos are such fragile things. And there are certain women who are very good at taking advantage of that. And our society has spent the last 30 years refining this quid pro quo.

    In politics, a middle aged man is prime meat. Just wait until the equality thing really sets in. Just imagine, $arah and a hunky pool boy. It hasn’t hit yet but it is coming.

  73. It has often been argued that men have a genetically coded predisposition for young women perceived as good child-bearing material, while women have a similar code for men who are perceived as good providers.

    Most of the time this latter involves money and power. But the nature of that perception on both sides has a significant cultural bias. Thus our current iconography of female beauty is really not such good child-bearing material, and the nature of male “success” can vary considerably amidst sub-groups. Thus, in my extremely casual and grotesquely unscientific observations of grad students, I was struck by the regularity with which the ladies would attach themselves to guys a year or more ahead of them in the program. This troubled me quite a bit, given the brutal nature of the academic job hunt, because it meant the guy would almost invariably be on the market before the girl, almost invariably get a job before the girl, thus requiring that the girl put her career on a back-burner as she trailed after the guy as the “tinker’s wife.” She would then take that much longer to complete her degree, and have that much harder a time finding a job, since her geographical options were limited by where the “tinker” finally landed.

    Obviously there were exceptions, but not as many as one might like.

    • I found this comment on TPM on a thread about Bernie Sanders’ plans to sink the Obama tax “compromise.”

      Senator Bernie Sanders, you are one very troubled idiot. Your worried about the wealthier people getting there tax break. Who in the hell do you think hires the poor people, moran. When you tax the ones who have the initiative to make something of your life, they will not be able to hire people. You want to scrap something, start with health care, Michelles waste of money and the idea of letting the government tell me what my children can eat, what they do to fund raise for their schools. Get rid of Nancy’s plane that costs milions for her to fly home. You idiots passed a health care plan that none of you are willing to be a part of, if it’s not good enough for you then you can stick it where the son don’t shine. The Democrats have run the national debt up to a point where it will never be balanced with all your idiotic give-a-way programs that have been funneled to all of your cronies that you owe your ass to from the secret promised you gave them to get Obama elected. Bernie, you want to get it own, I’m ready anytime you are.

      A real American, you I’m not sure of.

      Doug Procter

      Navy “Seabee Veteran”

      Did this dooshbag miss a single teabagger/wingnut talking point? He even used the teabagger spelling of “moron!” :lol:

  74. If Mr Proctor’s understanding of engineering is anything like his understanding of politics, Lord help anyone who has to depend on anything he built.

  75. Zooey, those people astound me with their ignorance, of which they are quite proud. They take what Glenn Beck says as gospel, and even he knew what that made them.

    That being said, there is one thing he said with which I agree (grammatical errors aside):You idiots passed a health care plan that none of you are willing to be a part of, if it’s not good enough for you then you can stick it where the son don’t shine.

    We need to have Single Payer in this country. We need to remind people of why we have doctors in the first place, and it isn’t so they can make a lot of money. We need to stop thinking of health care as a luxury for those who can afford it, and start thinking of it as a necessity for everyone who needs it.

  76. The guy was also, obviously, a product of the lower educational rungs. Shit, I could spell better than that when I was still in grade school! One thing he wrote makes me, as a dad, feel a bit of pity for his father: “the son don’t shine.” Indeed it don’t.

  77. It’s like Fux Gnus pried open his head and poured in all their shit.

    LOL! :D

    But, on a serious note, this is why it’s dangerous to allow one person to control a majority of the media in any one city. Rupert Murdoch has been given exemptions so he can own Fox News and the New York Post in New York City.

  78. I particularly liked the part about the gubmint telling schools what they can do to raise funds. This is something schools do all the time. When was the last time the military had a bake sale? Or a car wash? When was the last time they sent troops out selling magazines so they could get a small percentage of the sales?

  79. “We need to stop thinking of health care as a luxury for those who can afford it, and start thinking of it as a necessity for everyone who needs it.”

    Phrased somewhat differently, “a basic human right.”

  80. And this part: with all your idiotic give-a-way programs that have been funneled to all of your cronies that you owe your ass to from the secret promised you gave them to get Obama elected.

    Like Motomoron, most of the Teabaggers are convinced that there is a vast shadowy conspiracy involving massive payoffs, and that the Illuminati or some other shadow group orchestrated Obama’s election.

  81. They are worried about STD’s? What? They can’t go to the doctor and get checked? If they have a STD, then they have a bitch. Just how long has it been since this encounter?

  82. Gary,

    You are right, of course. I’m no expert in psychology, but I think people can relate to the idea of having needs more than they can relate to the idea of having rights. Rights are abstract but needs can be quite real and physical. You can touch the things you need. You can’t touch your human and constitutional rights. So I’m trying to find a way to frame it that people can relate to.

    But you are right. It is a basic human right. But “human rights” is a political issue that many people try to avoid. Human needs are harder to ignore.

  83. Hooda: “They are worried about STD’s? What?”

    Reminds me of a fellow I knew years ago, a microbiologist in the aerospace industry. He’d spent some time in the military after college (late fifties) and was stationed in Biloxi MS. He was a diagnostic microbiologist in the medical facility there. He told about the time he had diagnosed gonorrhea for the third time in the same young southern redneck. When he told the lad, the response was (after a puzzled look and a long ponder), “Hmmh. Seems like ever time ah fucks Marie ah gits the clap.”

    Never to late to learn, apparently.

  84. On the other hand, “rights” have a toehold on the sacred (which I do not mean in the narrowly religious sense). Given my background in philosophy, the “rights” language is what I respond to more readily, but I’m scarcely the standard by which such things should be judged generally.

  85. That begs a using your ‘head’ joke but it does appears “Cletus” kept using the wrong one ;->

  88. It sounds like the woman was all of a sudden worried about being HIV positive. Since I have the mind of a common criminal I suppose it happened like this. She was obsessed with him so she decided to go condomless in hopes of having his his baby and being unstable bragged that it was possible but was reminded that without a condom you could be infected. Then she wanted him to be tested immediately because it would take her months to be sure she hadn’t been yadayada…

    • Hi, Shayne. It’s a compare and contrast thing. Ponyo turned out to be the better story, but that wouldn’t really be very hard. At least the characters are pre-school age, so the relationship thing isn’t so damn creepy/weird.

      TP must be working again…

  90. You send it out to Interpol that this guy forgot to use a condom with a one-night-stand? And then put out an all alerts bulletin around the planet? Yeah, right..
    This reeks of set-up, and the need to smear him in the eyes of the world before they take him down. This is a campaign, and we are pressuring everyone on the planet to do our will in order to catch this guy. Strange that they didn’t seriously ramp this thing up till it came time for this guy to release info on BofA..
    Did you guys read that article this morning about the CIA connection with one of those women?
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/assange-rape-accuser-cia-ties/

    • muse, especially when the charges were dropped last August. Dropped charges mean there is no case — why is he in jail?

  91. muse, read that this morning and it did not surprise me one bit. As you, I am very skeptical of this whole ‘hunting expedition’.
    The charges were dismissed/finished with back in August. If they were as now being described- this scenario would have been on-going and not revived.
    Something is screwy in Sweden…via the U.S.A. me thinks.

    • I hope he drops that poison pill. If he’s going to disappear into some obscure prison, there needs to be some fallout to deal with. I really wonder what he held back?

  93. They’re definitely just out to get him but it’s odd that they couldn’t trump up some reasonable charges at least. They got nothing.

  94. Assange leads a bit of a ‘nomadic’ life – so they probably couldn’t really come up with anything that would ‘stick’ as far as trumped up charges would go.
    He’s very savvy (well except where his penis is concerned) and moves about with caution.

    “The paper says she had to pay for his $15 train ticket because he had no cash and didn’t want to use a credit card in case it would help authorities locate him.”

    “The women had trouble finding Assange because he had turned off his cell phone out of concern his enemies might trace him, these sources said.”

  95. Regardless of the leverage we might have on Sweden (and so much for all that “socialist paradise” stuff) they still have some measure of respect for all that “rule of law” shit.

    My non-monetary bet is that, at the end of the day, this whole thing will back-fire and simply increase Asange’s fame and influence.

    But he’ll have to start carrying a case of condoms everywhere he goes …

  97. My non-monetary bet is that, at the end of the day, this whole thing will back-fire and simply increase Asange’s fame and influence.
    But he’ll have to start carrying a case of condoms everywhere he goes …

    Amen and Amen!

  98. Leave it to you Gary to find that clip! ;>

    The reason I can’t let go of this story – the U.S. is escalating it to the nth degree. Being embarrassed by ones own actions is nothing new – but when a government starts playing this game – no good can come of it!

  99. Zooey: “Yes” and you’d have to watch the first 3 1/2 seasons of Buffy to fully appreciate the conversation. But the two young ladies were grousing about men and the way they let the “little head” dominate the “big head,” which provokes Xander’s (the young man’s) attempt at ill-appreciated humor.

    FWIW, it is worth watching, and the following 3 1/2 seasons as well. (I own all 7 seasons of Buffy, as well as all of Angel, Firefly, Dollhouse, and anything else Joss Whedon might amuse himself to do.)

    • OMG, I had no idea there were so many seasons of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I like Joss Whedon’s stuff, but how could I ever catch up with all that!?

      BTW, I already own the Firefly set and Serenity. Totally love them!

  100. An aside: in a private group of friends and colleagues of mine, a fellow I know asked for recommendations of texts on conservatism for his social/political class this next fall. What has interested me is watching the suggestions pouring in (some coming from me) of people who are at least as far to the left as I am.

    I’ve been taking considerable pleasure in watching these people I know show just how thoroughly they know their shit. The loathesome hypocrites who pule about how the academic left “indoctrinates” their students can — all of them, to the last “man,” “woman” and child of the snivelling lot of them — kiss my pasty white ass.

    • There’s one thing about us libbies: We’re interested.

      We hear about something — whatever it might be — and we don’t just stop our learning process when the speaker stops speaking, or when the news article ends, we continue the process by seeking more information.

      The rightwing teabagger types listen to one thing — Beck, O’Reilly, Limbaugh, Fux, etc — and whaddaya know!? They know everything they need to know on said topic for the rest of their living days. Wow!

      I can’t even imagine it…

  101. “I like Joss Whedon’s stuff, but how could I ever catch up with all that!?”

    One episode at a time, like the rest of us.

    FWIW, I’d by the DVD sight unseen of someone reading from the phone book, provided Whedon was the director.

  103. Gary! Me, too! And also my son, who even did at least one college paper on Buffy. In fact, it’s about time for me to watch Angel, Season 5 for the third time. Or is it the fourth?

    Dr. Horrible’s Sing Along Blog?

  105. Whedon taught himself to play guitar one summer. A couple of years later, he decided he needed to do something to challenge himself, so he wrote a musical episode to Buffy, including composing all of the musical numbers.

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