The Watering Hole: Saturday, February 26, 2011: We are All Cheeseheads!

There are supposed to be Pro-Union rallies across the nation today.

In fact, this is what MainStream Media websites had to say about it on Friday afternoon:

As Madison impasse continues, schools eye layoffs

Tensions flare in Wisconsin after Assembly passes bill on union rights

Obama’s Promised March With Union Workers Fails to Materialize

Wisconsin Assembly Approves Bill Stripping Away Union Rights

Wis. Assembly passes anti-union bill

Wis. Assembly passes bill taking away union rights

Judging by all media sites, there are no rallies planned for today. In fact, other than Fox using this as another opportunity to bash President Obama, the rest of the media seems focused on the Wisconsin Assembly’s middle of the night passage of the anti-union bill.

If you want to find out more about today’s rallies you’ll have to look to a non mainstream source.

Unions made the Middle Class. But with a consistent voter turnout in the 30% range, ‘evangelical christians’ learned they could dominate elections by voting in blocks. Their church has become a powerful political machine, operating in shadows, electing “stealth” candidates, and now, they are coming into their own. Candidates espousing the ‘evangelical christian’ ideology are holding majority positions in State Legislatures across the country.

The Middle Class will pay a price for its complacency: a struggle for its very existence.

This is our daily open thread — as always, your thoughts on this, or any other subject, are welcome.

UPDATE:
The nation-wide protests did make the AP Press:

Protestors across US decry Wis. anti-union efforts

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196 thoughts on “The Watering Hole: Saturday, February 26, 2011: We are All Cheeseheads!

  1. It seems that the current Conservative goal is to use this election cycle to turn middle America on its ear in hopes that Liberals will be trounced in 2012 because of the President’s skin color.

    They tried this in 1994 and the resulting back flash cost them in the 1996 election.

    I believe that they will be proven wrong once more when the 2012 cycle completes its course. They are trying to strike while the iron is hot in hope that the electorate will forget by 2012. Instead, they have stirred the coals that have given rise to the Main Street America movement.

    That flame must not be allowed to go out!

  2. Did Roger Ailes ask someone to lie to the feds?

    http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/roger-ailes-accused-of-asking-judith-regan-to-lie-to-feds_b29139

    Judith Regan, fired from her job at Harper Collins, says she has a taped recording of Roger Ailes telling her to lie to the feds about her affair with disgraced (and disgusting) former NYC Police Commissioner Bernie Kerik in order to protect Rudy Giuliani’s chances of winning the Republican nomination for president. News Corps claims they have a letter from Regan “stating that Mr. Ailes did not intend to influence her with respect to a government investigation.” But then, News Corp says a lot of things that aren’t true, don’t they?

  3. Major power grab, and I think that they expected for this to just go down smoothly, that no one would notice. Particualrly given the MSM coverage of this from day one. If the MSM reported on this accurately and truthfully, without bias for either side, they know that they would be overwhelmed by the people. You just know that they are thinking, “Damn, when can we eliminate this whole election/democracy thing?”

    I am concerned that there is just not enough pressure on them: they certainly don’t see any of this as pressure, they see it as bumps in the road and that they will overcome in time (though their patience seems to be wearing thin… one can only hope… “act in haste” and all that).

    Another thing that it sounded like to me in that prank call to Walker, was that apparently some of them beleive their own lies — it sounded like Walker truly believes that the majority of the people agree with them. Maybe he was just so comfortable with spewing that that it sounded genuine. But I can see many of these lower-level politicians and pundits actually believing their own lies. Just my take. That could explain the rampant hubris (not justify it, just explain it).

  4. cagey,

    As Walt alluded to, there are no “independent” media voices in the MSM. They are all owned by corporations who do not want to see the People win this fight. The destruction of public unions is a prelude to the destruction of private unions. Jane and I have not tuned into MSNBC for even a second (except to pass through to another channel) ever since they forced Keith Olbermann out the door. And the cable company (Comcast, in our case) will know that because they can tell what channels we watch.

  5. Way cool!

    http://www.thewheelerreport.com/releases/February11/0225/0225wppa.pdf

    THE WISCONSIN PROFESSIONAL POLICE ASSOCIATION FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

    February 25, 2011
    Contact: James L. Palmer, II, 608-273-3840

    HEAD OF POLICE UNION ASKS GOVERNOR TO KEEP CAPITOL OPEN AND ANNOUNCES LAW ENFORCEMENT SLEEPOVER

    MADISON—Following action by lawmakers to approve a rule change that clears the way for closing down the State Capitol and ejecting the people protesting Governor Walker’s bill to curtail union activity, the head of the Wisconsin Professional Police Association called on the governor today to keep the capitol building open and allow the peaceful protesters to remain.

    “The law enforcement officers from across the state that have been working at the Capitol and have been very impressed with how peaceful everyone has been,” said WPPA Executive Director Jim Palmer. “As has been reported in the media, the protesters are cleaning up after themselves and have not caused any problems. The fact of that matter is that Wisconsin’s law enforcement community opposes Governor Walker’s effort to eliminate most union activity in this state, and we implore him to not do anything to increase the risk to officers and the public. The costs of providing security can never outweigh those associated with a conflict.”

    Palmer also announced that, beginning tonight, the WPPA is formally requesting its members from across the state to come to the Capitol to sleep amongst the throngs of other union supporters.

    “Law enforcement officers know the difference between right and wrong, and Governor Walker’s attempt to eliminate the collective voice of Wisconsin’s devoted public employees is wrong,” continued Palmer. “That is why we have stood with our fellow employees each day and why we will be sleeping among them tonight.”

  6. Wayne,

    looks like the Imperial Walker has lost the police force.

    I wonder how the National Guard will react to being called up.

  7. Walker needs to talk with Ghadaffi for some pointers, seems to me. Mercenaries might be the only sure way to get his job done, to break up those damn unions. In the interest of an enduring Koch succor, sotospeak.

  8. Walker had every opportunity to back down while it was still reasonable but instead he doubled down. Makes you wonder if he’s as crazy as Gaddafi/

  9. Mornin’ everybody!

    Kathleen Parker Out At “Parker Spitzer”

    Kathleen Parker ended her rocky run as a television co-host today as CNN announced would be reformatting “Parker Spitzer” as an ensemble show with her co-host, Eliot Spitzer.

    “Parker Spitzer” was an attempt to stanch that bleeding at 8 p.m., but from the outset it had trouble gaining traction in the ratings. When ratings picked up a bit recently when Parker was out sick, the rumblings in the gossip pages grew even louder.

    As I said in October, Parker was painful to watch on this show. The 8pm time slot will likely get more crowded when Keith Olbermann starts his Current TV news show. I don’t see the ratings improving much for Spitzer, once that happens. CNN gains viewers only when something major happens, like the Egyptian protests.

  10. Shayne,

    We’ll know if he orders the National Guard to use “live rounds.”

    Or if he brings in Xe (the mercenary army formerly known as Blackwater, now the military arm of The Family).

  11. As the Wisconsin Police Association has noted (to the Governor himself, no less), the protesters have been entirely peaceful. They have been exercising their first amendment rights to peaceably assemble (on public property) and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Any action by Walker to forcibly expel them would be a violation of the US Constitution, which he is constitutionally obligated to support AND defend.

  12. I like Eliot Spitzer but don’t watch CNN. I thing he was drummed out of office because he’d actually done his job investigating the banksters.

  13. BnF, Walker doesn’t use Xe he uses Wackenhut. He prefers private security that poses naked in disgusting positions.

  14. BnF, Walker doesn’t use Xe he uses Wackenhut. He prefers private security that poses naked in disgusting positions.

    What’s even worse, Shayne, is that Wackenhut is a subsidiary of a U.K.-based form.

    “It is known throughout the industry that if you want a dirty job done, call Wackenhut.” -retired FBI agent, William Hinshaw in a September 1992 SPY Magazine article by John Connolly.

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Wackenhut

    So, if Walker does call in Wackenhut to clear out the protesters, he’ll be paying US taxpayer money to a foreign corporation to deny Americans their First Amendment rights. To me, that sounds like it would be grounds for impeachment.

  15. Zooey,

    I found it interesting that she thought she recognized what it was the first time and even the second, but then had her boyfriend give her a sample so she could confirm it.

    I had a friend at college who once said she thought a certain brand of beer “tasted like moose piss – not that I know what moose piss tastes like” she was quick to point out. :)

  16. Hello All! Finally dug out of 17+ inches of new snow and heading off to work in a few minutes.

    I echo your sentiments, ebb – We are all Wisconsin ~

    Zooey, I love FOK! And his vintage photo … <3

  17. Ummm, I just returned two 5-gallon bottles of Arrowhead water to the company because the water in them had a chlorine taste to me.

    Soooo…..ummm…..am I “barking up the wrong tree” ladies?

  18. badmoodman, sometimes chlorine is just chlorine. :)

    I have a Pur filter on on my kitchen faucet to take the chlorine out of tap water. Apparently Arrowhead can’t even bother doing that much for their bottled water. They do seem to have a strong foothold in California so maybe they’re not even trying any more. Jerks.

  19. He should have masked the taste by eating a bunch of asparagus first. That would have stumped Tiffany totally.

    Does anyone else think it funny that her first thought was, tastes like semen?

  20. “Bottled water is the debbil.”

    What? What! What$ Damn, damn, oh damn….. and here all this time I have been sacraficing to a printout of a picture of a photo of a dog-doo that resembled Cheney. :)

    (where do I get the different smiley faces?)

  21. This SNL clip on Hulu is for you, Michael Lallana:

    /saturday-night-live-snl-digital-short-j-in-my-pants

  22. I don’t know about Wisconsin, but around here Wackenhut (we use them at work) are the typical underpaid door-rattlers. I doubt they could clear fourth graders out of an assembly, and they’re certainly not commando material.

    Of course, if they were offered a two-dollar-an-hour bonus they might become vicious killers.

  23. Wayne, badmoodman;

    Yeah, her “first thought” stood out a bit.

    But, amusement aside, I think it is a very positive trait. Sounded like she was not shy at all — she was very comfortable with her sexuality*, in stark contrast to the prefered (and, might I argue, “traditional”) idea that women don’t talk about …. you know….. (sex)….

    I guess I mean to say that the comment stood out very much so, but it should not have.

    *I know this phrase is used when speaking of “non-straight” people, but the “straight” folk have just as many issues about being comfortable with their sexuality as well. We are talking about the all time number one in all of history prefered entertainment (sex in general), but it is treated publicly like a taboo. And I do that to — it has been ingraned (spelling?).

  24. “It was the closest I could ever get to someone as good looking as that without tampering with my marriage or hurting anyone,” Lallana said

  25. Yeah Ebb, the guy is very sad. Looks like he has to find whatever joy in life he can in fits and spurts.

  26. gummitch:

    If the security guards are hired locally, the are probably like those a friend of mine works for — they are understaffed, underpaid, no benefits, and every single one (including the managers!) will openly admit to anyone that they are always looking for a different job, and since you brought it up, “Are you hiring?”

  27. Yes, Ebb, that jumped out at me. What wife would mind her husband getting busted for jerking off in another woman’s water bottle?

    If he’d eaten some pineapple first, she might have asked for more.

  28. Huckabee: Poverty Will Fall If Single Parents Just Get Married

    Sounds like Huckabible just endorsed gay marriage.

    • Sounds like Huckabible just endorsed gay marriage.

      That reminds me of some wingnut moron Thom Hartmann was talking to on his show the other day. He was totally against gay marriage, but really didn’t have an argument against it, other than ‘just cuz, and ya know having kids.’

      Thom asked him if men who have had vasectomies should not be allowed to marry, since that seems to be the purpose for marriage, and the guy said people who couldn’t have kids of their own could adopt. That led to Thom saying that married gay couples could adopt, which would put them on the same footing, and the guy really started whining about that completely not being the point.

      Heh, I love it when they’re backed into a corner. Earplugs are always handy…

    • Thanks, badmoodman.

      We wonder what it will take to get Americans on the streets, but when we get out there it’s not reported — which means it never happened. Right?

  29. In honor of the Oscars tomorrow night, a compilation of 150 memorable lines and catch-phrases:

  30. Lots of cartoons and infomercials, Zooey. The only coverage I found was, gulp, on Fox News–at least coverage of Wisconsin. I want to thank you, though, because I found what appears to be a really terrible version of A Princess of Mars, possibly with Traci Lords as Dejah Thoris. Hubba hubba.

  31. Huckabee: See, if you look at the statistics I’m giving you, you’ll see that the vast majority of single parents live at or below the poverty line. This graph over here shows the poverty level overall. Now, if we remove all the single parents from the chart (by making them married couples), the poverty level graph drops WAY down.

    Interviewer: But wouldn’t they still be poor people, just married poor people?

    Huk: Huh? Look, just look at the graph. When those single parents are removed…

    Int: But where did all those people go?

    Huk: Ummm… away? How the hell should I know?

    • Exactly, cagey. Huckafuck is a complete moron, who is just trying to get the working/middle classes to blame all the ills on the poor. Such a powerful and influential group, the poor…

  32. Huckabee is just trying to blame the poor again. It’s not meant as a solution for anything, it is mean to blame the poor.

  33. Funny, but when I hear the name Tracy Lords my first thought is Katherine Hepburn in The Philadelphia Story.

    Ok, that was Tracy Lord, but still…

  34. From TP:

    alpuz3 4 minutes ago

    Hey, all… here at the Capitol in Wisconsin there are what seems to be 50,000 or so people protesting Walker and the Koch boys. Official start time is 3:00. The crowd has been growing since around 11:00 AM.

    It’s going to be larger than the 70,000 that showed up last weekend.

    It’s a pretty amazing scene…

  35. Pivoting off Cheese…

    … the necessity of losers never should be undervalued. Without losers, winners would be just beneficiaries.

    • What a disgusting concept: In order to feel like I’m succeeding, I need to know there are others who are not succeeding.

      Ugh.

  36. When the world knows beauty as beauty, ugliness arises
    When it knows good as good, evil arises
    Thus being and non-being produce each other
    Difficult and easy bring about each other
    Long and short reveal each other
    High and low support each other
    Music and voice harmonize each other
    Front and back follow each other
    Therefore the sages:
    Manage the work of detached actions
    Conduct the teaching of no words
    They work with myriad things but do not control
    They create but do not possess
    They act but do not presume
    They succeed but do not dwell on success
    It is because they do not dwell on success
    That it never goes away

  37. This is the face of the new foot soldier in the battle to maintain access to abortion: the girl next door.
    Graduating in record numbers from medical schools, young women are increasing the ranks of tomorrow’s abortion providers, bringing the procedure out of the margins and into mainstream medicine — and securing its place within academia’s safe and supportive structure. UC San Francisco and Stanford are among the universities leading the way.

    “Abortion is part of women’s reproductive health care, so it should be part of our training.” said Dr. Merrie Warden

  38. badmoodman, I always figured that’s where the underage porn queen got her stage name, although I assumed someone else made the find. I mean it could be a coincidence…

  39. I believe an old friend of mine got suckered and posted this at Facebook:

    WARNING!! Facebook will be closed for maintenance from February 29 to 31!! Facebook wants YOU to Share this message with at least 15 of your friends for the best chance of alerting everyone. Many people will try to login from February 29 to 31, just to find the site closed down for those days with no warning. HELP …YOUR FACEBOOK FAMILY — REPOST THIS

  40. Pfffft, everyone knows there’s no February 29 to 31 …. unless it’s a leap year.

    Whadda maroon.

  41. As of January, we here in Colorado’s third district have a new congressman, a teabagger idiot (if I may be blunt) named Scott Tipton (what is with guys named ‘Scott’ all of a sudden?) Anyway, a few weeks ago I think it was probably moveon.org that was fighting against budget cuts for the arts. I signed their letter which strongly favored support for the NEA, the letter which went directly to my rep. Today I got a response. Second paragraph reads:

    Having started my own pottery business, I have a true appreciation for the arts. I know firsthand that with the right product and a strong work ethic one can make a successful living in the arts business. I believe that most artists can be successful without government funding. Funding for the arts should be evaluated on a case-by-case basis.

    What is it about Republicans that seems to demand that they, each and all, maintain that nothing has virtue unless it makes money? Was Mozart a failure because he was buried in a pauper’s grave? (Republican: “Moatsart? Moatsart who? Don’t sound like no Dixie Chick.”).

    It occurs to me that Republicans do, truly and yea verily, owe a huge debt to the ancient Arabs, the ones who came up with the concept of “Zero” and thereby totally defined the essence of today’s US GOP. Gotta wonder: how did they know? Must be that caliphate thing.

  42. badmoodman, you do find some very clever and hilarious sites. That lileks one is exquisite!

    The Orphanage of Cast-off Mascots:

    Mr. Happy Egg

    in one, he is emotionally moved by the feel of soft toilet paper against his hard, unfeeling shell; in the second – the most chilling tableau of his career – he contemplates matricide, about to smash in a head of a chicken, the very species that gave him birth.

  43. Bated-breath Watch:

    Paul Bedard of US News reports Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich plans within two weeks to announce if he will run for president.

  44. Zooey, truly appreciate that link to the WI doings.
    This from the live blog on that site:

    eleit: The Cheddar Rebellion will not be televised.

    (isn’t that the truth – main stream media is afraid to show the uprising. Doesn’t want to equate to the North Africa/Middle East rebellions. Especially since it is a repugnant repiggie Governor)

  45. Don’t miss the Kos hate mail thingee today, esp. this one that begins:

    Here’s the thing: a nigger shouldn’t be president. And it’s not racism, it’s in the Constitution. The Constituition of the United States says that the president has to be “representative of the people of the United States”.

    Interesting “logic”, also of constitutional ignorance. Kos’s reply will cause a grin.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/26/949486/-Saturday-hate-mail-a-palooza

  46. ” The Constituition of the United States… ”

    I wish I knew what these people were thinking….if only…

    • I wish they would spend more time writing about the President’s dick and shitting in mouths. :shock:

      Srsly, I would not like to be the zombie who eats that brain.

  47. “HISTOYR … AND I HIPE YOU AND YOUR UNIONAZI …. PUTTING MY KIDS IN A PRIVAT SCHOOL!! ..OBANAZIS OUT”

    • • Well, uhhh, but srsly dude, OBANAZIS?

  48. I have to wonder if Kos tends to self-select letters that obsess over Obama’s dick, or whether the letter writers are truly that fixated on a Black man’s penis. It does seem to be a persistent theme.

  49. The letter writers are trying to shock & awe just to make the grade in Saturday’s hate-a-palooza.

  50. I have no idea where to look for stuff, that and the megabytes watching video on the computer runs up my monthly count very quickly.
    I’m going to have another beer and go bark at the neighbors dogs.

    • TP has gone ridiculous with trolls. Even Insidious Prophet’s name was hijacked near the top, in a long comment, supposedly about his learning the error of his ways.

      I think I’ll go read.

  51. Aren’t you glad you came back and were greeted with that heartwarming story?

    It’s rhetorical. :D

  52. It’s hard to talk shit when your mouth is full of…shit.

    Well no, actually you can’t do much else.

  53. So, changing subjects, how do we go about stopping the takeover of America by the Tea Party fanatics? AS you all know, I’m all for alternative political parties, but I was hoping they would base their positions on facts and logic, not emotion and bullshit.

    • Wayne, I have no idea, other than getting on the streets and making ourselves heard.

      Stupid people who decided to stay home in November, or vote for teabagger/repiggies out of some warped sense of punishing the Dems for not doing ‘enough,’ really put us in a bad spot. I’m afraid that unless we can get some recall petitions going, this is the way of things until 2012.

    • I really don’t know, Wayne. BnF would have a better idea.

      The Gov of WI certainly is acting in bad faith with the people in his state, and it seems there ought to be some remedy for them other than recall, which is a year from ever being accomplished. Surely, Walker could achieve quite a lot of damage in that time, much of it irreparable.

      It’s all very frustrating, and I feel like we’re all behind the ball, with the Koch brothers having orchestrated an amazing takeover of states in 2010. We stand here shocked, Citizens United looms in our path, and our own SCOTUS is not on the people’s side.

  54. Perhaps if someone were to bring a civil lawsuit against him, it might make him step down even temporarily. Remember that Clinton couldn’t postpone the Paula Jones bullshit lawsuit (did you know that Ann Coulter was one of her attorneys?) The judge said that “Justice delayed is justice denied.”

    • That’s probably the only way he might be lamed, Wayne. I doubt such an ego maniac would ever step down, even temporarily, but a lawsuit brought against him by the people of his state might turn him into a lame duck, and maybe his disgusting repiggie senate and assembly would think better of attaching themselves to his despicable coattails.

    • Violence is the last thing we should do, even if violence is used against us. Walker said it himself, “We thought about it.” That “we” could get him trouble for conspiracy, maybe. Unless he’s already using the “royal we.”

  55. Zooey,

    The “royal we” excuse won’t get him out of trouble. Perhaps a federal lawsuit of some kind can be brought against him for threatening citizens. However, a resident of Wisconsin, preferably one who was there protesting and, therefore, a potential victim of such threats, would have legal standing to bring a lawsuit. You or I couldn’t do it, even under the argument “A threat to Liberty anywhere is a threat to Liberty everywhere.”

    • Oh no, even if someone from outside the state could file such a lawsuit, it would be beyond the pale to do so. Talk about your “outside agitators!” I’m sure there are plenty of potential plaintiffs in WI, and plenty of good labor attorneys to get the thing going.

      I thought I was scared for this country in 2008, 2009, and 2010, but in 2011, I’m more scared than ever. Things just keep escalating and escalating, and I’m wondering just how bad things are going to get?

  56. The foot-dragging would go on for so long he’d never come to trial.
    Remember: the rules are different if you belong to the Repugnant repiggie party.

    • Exactly, ebb. And we don’t have the same judiciary we did when Clinton was dealing with it. It could be years and years before anything happens.

      • I hadn’t noticed, Wayne. I seem to have a constant low grade headache, and I think the stress and outrage fatigue are getting to me. I don’t seem to be able to stop reading the news, but I just don’t seem to be able to DO anything about it.

  57. Zooey,

    We’ve often said it’s going to take bloodshed in the streets to get the country to fight back, and I’m afraid that’s true. Not bloodshed cast by our side but by theirs. If Walker ever orders the National Guard in his state to fire on protesters, even with non-lethal weapons, I hope they would refuse the order. The protesters are exercising their constitutional rights and doing so peacefully. Members of the military take an oath to support and defend the Constitution, and obeying orders to attack peaceful protesters would be a violation of that order. We need for the president to point that out publicly.

  58. We just need the lawsuits to stall them long enough to allow the recall process to kick in. After that, once he’s recalled, who cares about the lawsuits? And if whoever takes over is going to be just as bad as Walker, then they should pre-emptively recall them, too.

    • The Kochs and their kind will not be pleased with such dissent, and I wonder what they might have up their sleeves — cuz you know they’ve got something. They always do.

      • I can’t find anything on the clearing of the WI statehouse tomorrow. Is it happening in the morning or midnight? Anyone know?

        Good thing the Oscars are tomorrow, no one will be reporting a permanent lock-out.

  59. Oh, I’ve not kept up with WI this afternoon or evening.
    Is there to be a lock-out?
    How can they do that – it’s The People’s house.

  60. The solution is not a lawsuit…not even a recall.

    The solution is a general strike.

    Imagine, if you will, 80-90% of all employees in every business in the State called in sick for a day.

    Imagine, if you will, that all unions in all trades made a concerted, focused effort to unionize every private enterprise in Wisconsin.

    Imagine that effort starting NOW.

  61. They are a devious lot – yeah, the ‘cleaning-up’ is the ‘heave-ho’ Walker is looking for.
    He best watch out – the rest of the country is on the citizens side. Just look at all the rallies across the U.S.

  62. I hope the citizens of Wisconsin who owe state income taxes are waiting until April 15 to pay. It’s their right.

    They should also exercise their rights and write letters to the governor or use his official web form to submit questions, anything to force him to answer. Anything that would force him to spend time doing something other than public union-busting.

    Then, I want all the public employees who would have to answer the letters to the governor to go on a general slowdown and take long enough to answer that laws are violated, thus getting the governor in legal trouble.

    I don’t know, I’m making shit up. :)

  63. Because, Zooey, the stupid people in this country outnumber the intelligent ones, and they don’t know what it means to be Liberal. They think it’s something evil or, worse, destructive of humanity in general.

    Besides, which right-wing polling organization put out his poll? Gallup. The same ones who gave us “Dewey Defeats Truman.”

    Public opinion polls are meaningless, for a lot of reasons, including the fact that respondents don’t always have the same definitions of words in mind when they answer.

  64. There is a whole cottage industry devoted to convincing people that public opinion polls actually have some correlation to public opinion. It’s one of the Big Lies we;re told every day. For example, how can you trust a Wall Street Journal/ NBC News poll, when the WSJ is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who directly competes with NBC?

    • That does make sense, Wayne.

      Cons have done a better job of smearing the word “Liberal,” than they have of the word “Feminism.” And they’ve pretty well trashed “feminism!”

  65. I really find it hard to believe that TP cares about those of us who have been posting there since nearly the beginning. Not when they keep allowing He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named to shit all over their threads with his excessively large fonted idiocy.

  66. “You’re more of an optimist than I am, BnF.”

    Just because I know what should be done doesn’t mean it will be done. I was a local union rep, once upon a time. I advised my members what was coming down, and what they should do about it. They chose not to follow my advice, and are still paying a price, 11 years later.

    My consolation? The next year, a co-worker, ex military and the polar opposite of me, politically, saluted me, and acknowledged that I was right. As for me, I went back to school and started a new career.

    As far as optimism goes, it’s just a reality that when things get bad enough, long enough, people will rebel against their overlords.

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