In 1991, in the Italian Alps, the mummified remains of a man named ‘Ötzi’ by his 20th century care takers was discovered. Analysis of the remains showed that Ötzi had died approximately 5300 years before he had been found. One of the items that Ötzi was carrying was a copper axe; not stone, not brass and not iron.
This piqued my curiosity because, when I was young, I was taught that the progress in man made tools progressed along the line of stone-bronze-iron/steel. Why was Ötzi carrying a copper axe? I dug a little into the history of copper and found that a Copper Age was a step into the age of bronze. Copper was smelted as various times by cultures on many continents. Examples of smelted copper have been found in the Americas, Europe, Africa and Asia. Copper earlier harvested in its elemental form was generally useless as a material for making tools because there were impurities in the mix making some molecules insoluble and non-reactive.
Until smelting was discovered as a process, metals could not be purified from their oxides, nitrates or salts. The elemental copper was found mostly as flakes. A notable exception to this was the Old Copper Complex in central North America where large copper nuggets were found by Neolithic peoples; starting, approximately, 4000 BCE. It seems that copper was the first metal to be smelted. A fortunate accident with another ore (usually tin) resulted in bronze and copper’s position in tool making was short-lived.
This is our Open Thread. Please feel free to present your thoughts here.

Only a true alchemist can know these things of which you speak …
Live today and each day as if it were a masterpiece ~
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Very interesting, Walt! I had known of Otzi’s axe, and had heard of the Copper Age, but was unaware that it was so short lived. It does make sense that it would be a step along the way to discovering alloys (such as bronze) though, as alloys are generally harder than the individual metals, and thus much more conducive to tool-making.
Ozti is quite the fascinating fellow.
And just think: Otzi was out there wandering around when the earth wasn’t yet even a thousand years old! Wonder if he knew Adam? Or Eve?
frugal,
Of course he knew Adam – Adam lived for 930 years.
oooo, excellent segues!
In five thousand years,
Which items will define us?
What stories induced?
If we don’t change our ways, this might define us:
Carcass of Hummer
With Cantor/Palin sticker,
Radioactive.
On a positive note: the Virginia bluebells are blooming!
Face down on concrete
Tire tracks running across back
iPhone firmly gripped
Cherry blossoms near
Low-slung pigsqueak in full bloom
Raspberries in leaf
You’re wonderful CheeseFlap!
Just got the estimate for the carpet & linoleum.
**faint**
Just got the estimate for the carpet & linoleum.
For cleaning or new installation?
Zoo, we’re doing the rest of our downstairs this summer…. and I just did my ‘patriotic’ (for a Johnny foreigner) duty and wrote my cheque for Uncle Sam…. **faint** indeed
LL —- you are having WAY too much fun over at TP!
Nicely done – it is fun to watch!
Outstanding, this is great. It neatly summarizes a lot of the problems right now.
Silver blueray disc
Scatters enlightenment for all
Religious icon?
Cheer up everyone, former Senator ‘Man-on-dog-sex-say-hello-to-my-fetus’ Sanitarium is ‘exploring’ for President.
Pass the popcorn, this is going to be fun.
Crap:
Silver blueray disc
Gives enlightenment for all
Religious icon?
I’m a noob…
Ebb — the sock puppets have been fairly tame today since they/(he?) has been found out. I generally don’t pay much attention( or try to) , but one of them repeated something that he posted to me just yesterday under a different name and it went from there.
It’s funny, most of the time, they don’t make comments on my comments. Ultimately they don’t have any facts.
Pablo’s still there, right now though.
Krissy, If you are around, that clip that you posted on trolls/guerilla tactics from the right… Is that a snip of a documentary?
I must say that I am a little surprised, saddened. I like to think better of people than that.
I tuned in to C-SPAN at 1:30 PM EDT to find Speaker Boner speaking. To me it sounded as if he had a liquid lunch. I bet by 5 PM most days he could do a great Foster Brooks impersonation.
pachy, how long did he speak? That is, generally, an indication as to how much ‘in his cups’ the boner maybe.
I’ve not yet had a chance to read it, but there’s a scholarly article examining the issues of Palin’s “pregnancy” and the press’s treatment of it over at SCRBD:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/52841266/Prof-Brad-Scharlott-Palin-the-Press-and-the-Fake-Pregnancy-Rumor
The article itself was making the rounds of some of my colleagues on FB, so on that basis I’m willing to say it is interesting enough to at least look at. You may need to register in order to download it. SCRBD itself is a source of a lot of electronic books and documents, though some care might be called for when using it. I’m not at all sure about the copyright issues involved with some of the books that have been posted there.
oh whoa – how’d that happen – apologies & if one of those posts could be deleted – that’d be great! Thanks.
Fox News never missing an opportunity to lie, conflate and to out-Onion The Onion:
“GWU officials tell Fox that police were notified about the incident around 2pm, which happens to be at the same time that President Obama was speaking… As of this writing, Fox has not been able to obtain reaction from the White House.”
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/04/13/gwu-suicide-tragically-coincides-obama-speechutm_campaign=Feed%3A+feedburner%2Foicv+%28The+Daily+What%29
I’ve not only read it Gary, I’ve been tracking the Diva since about August 29, 2008.
The money quote:
“Given the amount of publicity (and support) presidential candidate Donald Trump has gotten in recent weeks by picking up the Obama-wasn’t-born-here mantra, the silence on this other question is indeed startling. The evidence Scharlott’s cites about about Palin’s possible hoax is by no means conclusive, but it certainly raises as many questions as the logic about Obama’s birthplace.
In light of Scharlott’s evidence that Palin staged a hoax, as well as the ongoing absence of any proof that Palin is actually Trig’s mother, one wonders if the media will now, finally, seek to determine the truth–especially because Palin is considered a candidate for president.”
But there really is no comparison. We’ve gotten all the data you can want out of the Obama administration on his birth certificate. He’s delivered it. Palin has delivered nothing … but a fantastical, un-fact-checked manuscript, bald-faced lies, and a campaign of media intimidation. Which worked on the “wimpy and gullible media.”
Afternoon all.
LL that was From the film Astro Turf Wars: How Corporate America Is A Grassroots Revolution, this clip shows Austin James of the conservative Republican funded American Majority training tea party activists on guerrilla internet tactics to “control the online dialogue.
Krissy – those online facts they have that ‘librul’ bias…..
I think you may be right Terry………..
Thanks, Krissy!
EvilPoet posted this in response to my GOP clown car comment on the Beck/Kristol thread.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/30835791@N07/sets/72157614241935013/
Thought I would share.
zx, a collaborative effort – from your finger tips to Evil’s imagination! Excellent.
We’ve so much talent at the Zoo!
The specific example he gives about going on to Amazon and 1*ing anything that he disagrees with…. its not going to do him much good, unless he writes a review to go with it, one that is not some cut-and-paste plagiarism or other non-specific one-liner.
Decent review and ratings systems are a lot smarter than Mr Goebbels-wanna-be is and can chop out the BS and fake comments and are objectively moderated. So go ahead knobcheese, have all your brownshirts waste their time.
“California men thank Senator Harry Reid for standing with Planned Parenthood.”
Ebb, is that a Scarlet Tanager or something more exotic?
If you want to hear something fun, pull up the KPOJ webstream and listen to Ed Schultz’s town hall from Madison, Wisc. taped yesterday. It’s just starting.
Budget deal was passed by the House. Many Tea Partiers voted no, but enough Dems votes yes, that it passed.
Dems voted yes? Warm up the tar and pluck the goose….
According to a screen shot of a CNN graphic:
R 179 Yea
R 59 No
D 81 Yea
D 108 No
gummitch, for we west-coasters it is exotic. Yes a Scarlet Tanager! (the east coast seems to have the colourful birds).
I knew there was a reason to be afraid of clowns.
I’m laughing – difficult to catch breath –
Santorum is ‘borrowing’ a slogan that’s part of, pro social justice, Langston Hughes — “Let America Be America Again”.
This is just too damn precious – the vehemently hateful of anything non-straight and non-white- Santorum using a very vocal pro-union, pro-gay, pro equal justice for all.
(I am still laughing and Langston is going to haunt ‘Sanctimonious Asshole’ from the grave)
Since Sanitation announced has anyone checked the Rapture Index?
Soo…. does going ‘Roundhead’ qualify as valid ID when stopped by Arizona fuzz for the crime of looking Mexican?
http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/truth-stranger-fiction-az-birther-law
I predict a rapid rise in the apparent Jewish population in Nogales.
Nice haikus today!
Iconic blueray hummer
Palin “Can’t Or” won’t
How utterly appropriate.
AZ must not think a woman would ever run for POUS? By what testing/method would she be deemed a citizen?
Ebb… she would probably have to be a heavier than a duck.
Catching up, and speaking of Methuselah, who remembers this lyric from Harry Belafonte in the fifties?
That’s from memory circa 1959, so there may be a word or two not quite right, but oh well!
What strikes me as strange today is that when I was seventeen years old and living in a small town on the MN prairie I had no idea what racism was, what racial hatred was. I knew Belafonte was black from his picture on the album cover, but had no clue the importance of his appearance in Carnegie Hall, or any message other than Belafonte’s immense talent on full display. It wasn’t until several years later that I learned Belafonte was a *ni66er* and detestable to some.
He better be gellin’
Driving the pace car at the 100th anniversary of the Indianapolis 500 — in a convertible, no less! — will be a hair-raising event for Donald Trump.
badmood, I didn’t know Formula cars had a reverse.
hooda – how’s your daughters healing progressing?
Ebb, pretty well. She goes back to work next week.
That is great news, Hooda!
Ah Ebb. those pesky Europeans, electing a president and raising interest rates and we’re closer to Armageddon than we’ve ever been! Goddammit!
All we need now is Tiger Woods to make a comeback and Ricky Santorum’s presidential run comes to a screeching halt….
… am I making sense? It’s all there, all the signs…. I’m just saying, just connecting the dots…
/foaming mouth beck off
Ebb… may I revise my statement about the AZ birther bill (for women)?
First, she has to get a pap smear at Walgreens….. Then get weighed and be heavier than a duck. (Monty Python reference)
And may I just say, I am embarrassed for my state.
Found this good article about the Civil War, since it was in discussion earlier this week.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2063679-1,00.html
LL – South Carolina is giving you a run for your money….
TtT – I saw this the other day on Crooks and Liars after the 300 million year old fossil was discovered in KY: The end of the world will be Oct. 21st, 2011.
http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/may21/
Oh thanks for that, I knew there was a good reason we couldn’t go to Hawaii for Thanksgiving, I’ll tell Her Indoors, she was just asking me about that.
The numbers the GOoPers don’t want us to see:
National Debt Increased by 75% under Bush:
2001 – $5.871 trillion
2008 – $10.640 trillion
National Debt Increased 25% Under Obama:
Jan 31st 2009 = $10.569-Trillion
Jan 31st 2011 = $14.131-Trillion
But of the $3.56-trillion increase, 98% was carry over from Bush programs:
Bush: $910-billion = Interest on Debt 2009/2011
Bush: $360-billion = Iraq War Spending 2009/2011
Bush: $319-billion = TARP/Bailout Balance from 2008 (as of May 2010)
Bush: $419-billion = Bush Recession Caused Drop in taxes
Bush: $190-billion = Bush Medicare Drug Program 2009/2011
Bush: $211-billion = Bush Meicare Part-D 2009/2011
Bush: $771-billion = Bush Tax Cuts 2009/2011
Bush’s contributions:
2001 to 2008: $4.769-trillion
2009 to 2010: $3.181-trillion
Total: $7.950-trillion
Increase Since 2001 = $14.131 – $5.871 = $8.26-Trillion
Bush’s contribution: $7.950-trillion / $8.26-Trillion = 96%
Obama only contribution: $580-billion = Stimulus Spending (as of Dec 2010).
Increase caused By Bush’s Programs: 96%
Increase caused by Obama’s Programs: 4%
Ebb, Boner was speaking from the floor, not the Speaker’s chair, and I only caught a couple of minutes at the end. C-SPAN’s video library has an excellent search that lets one hone in on an elected official’s speeches.
Who can forget…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
Fox News Advertisement Headlines:
“Pap smears at Walgreens; Daily, 9-5; First Come, First Served; Line Forms at End of Aisle Three, Between Vitamins and Motor Oil.”
“For Breast Exams, Look For the Guy in the Overcoat. No Charge.”
Frugal, your comment reminded me of this photo..
TtT— I don’t know. She sounds more intelligent than Sarah Palin.
LL: “The end of the world will be Oct. 21st, 2011.”
Hmmh. The day before my birthday. Means no party, I guess. Sigh.
OTOH, I also think Jesus is due to return on May 21, 2011. That’s the day after my daughter gets her degree in Chemistry.
It appears this here family could maybe be on the ‘something special awaits’ list!
Also.
If Jesus returned what would you do?
- Move Freddy Montero to right wing.
Rep. Paul Broun: FDR was a Commie
“Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA) thinks President Franklin Delano Roosevelt loved Joseph Stalin so much that he sent advisers to Russia to see “what Stalin was doing there so that FDR could replicate it here in the United States.”
Broun was speaking Tuesday on the House floor about how the “original intent” of the Constitution was to promote the “general welfare of the nation, not welfare of individuals.” The concept of promoting the “welfare of individuals” started with Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson, he said: “Both progressives. Both had socialist beliefs.”
“In fact,” Broun continued, “Franklin Delano Roosevelt sent his advisers, his close friends, his Cabinet people to go visit with Stalin in communist Russia to study what he was doing, what Stalin was doing there, so that FDR could replicate it here in the United States. And he did everything that he possibly could to do so.”
Broun made these comments on the House floor. Maybe Anthony Weiner will call out Jefferson Davis for the pedophile that he was.
In Pete’s charts above, what’s the difference between these two items?
Bush: $190-billion = Bush Medicare Drug Program 2009/2011
Bush: $211-billion = Bush Medicare Part-D 2009/2011
I search Medicare Drug Program and half the results are for Part D.
LL, that is one seriously nutbag webpage you found. But I learned some really interesting new information.
The Earth is not 6,000 years old after all. It is 13,023 years old. Those poor fundies! They’ve got it all wrong. It was 6,000 years from the Creation to the Flood. Dummies.
St Peter’s instruction that God is not fazed by time (a day is the same as 10,000 years or vice versa when you’re infinite) is actually a mathematical clue buried in the Gospels.
All this math allows someone to pick an exact date for the End of the World As We Know It, even though the system we use for calendars didn’t exist until 1582.
Perhaps of greatest importance is the news that The Word of God is open to interpretation. Instead of a Literal Word of God, the Bible is more like Silly Putty and can be skooshed around as needed.
Something really important happened in 1994, although I have no idea what, and “the great tribulation came to an end and the latter rain began”. Rain? Really. This guy must live in Oregon.
I got married in 1994, turned 30 and sold my sports car all in one month….. important? Maybe. Traumatic? You bet!
muse? Is that you?
Yes it is! I know I’ve been absent.. Sorry.
Yup, that was my batchelor party in Toledo (and some strange bar in southern Michigan I think – don’t ask me). September 7th, uh-huh.
That site also told us:
Thanks for this information about copper, Walt. You always post interesting information.
Let’s see… 1994… I lived in Seattle at the time, so the rain stuff fits… I had “relations” with my husband and in March of 1995, my daughter was born. Could she be the chosen one? OMG! And I’ve been treating her like a normal person all this time. What if…?
If Jesus did come back? I think the fundies would send him to Gitmo.
gummitch- I wonder what religionists do when the dates that they pick for the end of the world comes and goes and doesn’t happen? Shrug their shoulders and say: “Oops, my, bad. Time to re-crunch the numbers.”
OTOH, it explains a ton about why so many on the right think that Obama is the anti-Christ.
My mother in-law is not going to be happy:
ABC cancels ‘All My Children,’ ‘One Life to Live’
Long-running series to be replaced by talk shows
By Andrew Wallenstein
ABC is making the long-anticipated move of canceling long-running soap operas “All My Children” and “One Life to Live,” the network announced Thursday.
Both series will be replaced by chat shows, one a food-themed series from Gordon Elliot, executive producer of “Paula Deen’s Home Cooking,” and another a health/lifestyle show from 3 Ball Prods., producer of “The Biggest Loser.”
Shayne, I watched both those shows from the very first episode for a number of years. In fact, at one point I think I followed 9 shows a day (when the kids were babies and I was stuck at home without a lot of adult interaction). I lived to see what would happen with all these people next.. Now of course, looking back, I can’t believe that was actually me and I actually did that… Sheesh.
Shayne… just what we need, more “reality” shows.
In other news, Trump will make a “surprise” announcement at the finale of The Apprentice. Hmmm. I wonder what it could be?
Wait, Shayne, that could be a sign of the apocalypse.
The squirrel on his head is running for President?
ABC cancels ‘All My Children
Erica Kane will go on forever.
Well LL if they cancel Deadliest Catch it *would* be the end of my world….
Terry, my good conservative Coast Guard lifer fans are addicted to that show. I watched one episode with them, and needed to be filled in on all the relationships for context. The scenes on the water in the frigid temperatures were fascinating, but I didn’t understand why they were so deeply hooked. When I was 16, a friend took me with him to visit some aged relative. He kept quizzing her on the lives of various people and it took me a good hour to realize that none of them was a flesh and blood relative, but were characters from all of her soaps. My friends sounded just the same to me when discussing Deadliest Catch.
Not a critique, mind you. I’m just perplexed.
I enjoyed a handful of episodes but then my interest faded, i’m being a little TIC. Altough I have seen Time Bandit and the Northwestern up close in Seattle.
And Muse apologizes! Noooooooo. No need, I’m just pleased to see you around whenever you’re here.
Thanks gummitch. And now I’ll be back later on. Time to go practice.
I’m so glad to know that! I NEVER missed an episode of that. I was still in school I think. I still remember that theme song (Quentin’s Theme).
I used to come home from school in time to catch Dark Shadows.
And then god said:
“I hope you losers can swim!”
Sanctity of life
Gummitch! Me too! Barnabas Collins lives!
gummitch, back in 1994 I got laid, I’m pretty sure I did, I think.
I think all this stuff about the end of the world is nuts…..
If I’m wrong I will apologize either on May 22nd or October 22nd depending on which day the world ends……………..
On All Things Considered tonight: the deadline for joining legal suits is the same day as the anniversary of the Gulf oil spill. Louisiana and Alabama are on board but Florida? The governor wants to think about it, and waved around some ridiculously low number to settle on. He ran, after all, on a pro-bidness platform.
The person responsible for evaluating the damage and the lawsuits, appointed by the previous governor, has tried three times to have a discussion with Scott, but has gotten no response or acknowledgment. The term he used to describe the governor’s numbers was on the order of “chicken feed.”
In the case of Florida I sure wish Sink had called for a recount, there is no way anyone can convince me Scott won without the same help Bush got in 2000. Florida is a perfect example of a state gone insane from years of Republican rule.
Thanks to the present day attack on seniors in HR 1 those days may joyfully coming to an end.
Finally had a chance to watch Krissy’s video (can’t stream at work)…
What a bunch of a-holes.
zxbe, that guy just admitted he’s an internet troll. He’s a useless bag of shit, with an empty face and dead eyes.
Creepy.
Delaware approves civil unions for same sex couples
I didn’t see this anywhere but Raw Story, except for Fox News!
House, I think I need to go into the wedding business.
Truth Is Stranger Than Fiction: AZ Birther Law Requires Candidates “To Describe Penis”
My men better stay out of AZ. They are…in-tact.
Zooey — that guy in Krissy’s video — think of Karl Rove back during Nixon’s time in office. Same look.
LL, all that kid needed was a pair of big glasses.
Mighty christian of ‘em. Why are they so frightened of love – I’ll never figure that one out.
Oh my gracious…I’m never going to Arizona. My son will never show then his papers or his penis! I do find it somewhat amusing that my hispanic child has the same last name as one of those “founding fathers” they go on about and he also speaks with his mom’s very Richmond, VA accent. What’s a racial profiler to think?
Does rather put a different spin on the phrase “founding father” …
“Head” of the family?
Heh, if Eric Cantor runs for president I’m demanding a long form video of his bris.
Outstanding, he doesn’t have a long form to show! To paraphrase David Niven, all that would reveal is his ‘shortcomings’.
Gary, you’re on a roll!
Oh, and House as well – on a roll!
Yeah House, the “young gun” is probably more like a snub-nosed derringer than a long rifle.
Oh ack, Outstanding!!
muse, I watched them in starting in high school and then on my days off whenever I had them while I was working around the house. Then I went on bed rest with my daughter and really watched them. One week of that and I could never watch them again.
Deadliest is catch is good but I’d rather watch Dirtiest Jobs because then I actually get to look at Mike Rowe, hubba hubba.
I’m off to bed. I found this on the WaPo site in an article describing Ryan’s bitterness at being invited to the president’s speech and having his crappy plan dissed. R’s got nothin’.
“Still, Republicans said, did Obama have to attack the men to their faces? “Reagan had the decency to insult his enemies when he was out of town,” grumbled one GOP aide.”
Shayne, Sig Hansen is really hot!
Mike Rowe *swoon*
“Reagan had the decency to insult his enemies when he was out of town,”
Whereas Obama is man enough to look them in the eye. No wonder they’re upset.
G’nite everyone
Outstanding, it’s Mike Rowe’s voice on Deadliest Catch and my husband is cuter than Sig so ….
Antti Niemi is in the line-up, Zooey!
Who?
Your Aunty Niemi. Oh that’s right – you may not recall.
Ice Hockey, Zooey.
Oh, that’s right. Ebb, I didn’t realize that was a real person.
See Zooey and I agree on everything when it comes to hot men anyway.
Shayne, we have our priorities in order.
The Blackhawks Ebb? My daughter’s friends live next door to the coach. Maybe I can hook you up.
I see that Mike Rowe guy on Alabama Industrial Development commercials all the time. He was on an ad for the Ford Fusion Hybrid tonight during Rachel.
There’s no such thing as over-exposure, when it comes to Mike Rowe.
Shayne, I feel the Teal – Go! Sharks ~
Mike Rowe has national commercials all over the place. He’s got to be loaded.
My house is a wreck, except for my office and bedroom. Two little spots of tranquility.
How’s your dog doing with all this interruption in her life? Is she going nuts?
Ebb, she’s staying calm, but she’s dogging (heh) my every step, like she does when she sees my suitcase come out of the closet. When I get close to the door, she starts bouncing around as if to say, “Me too! I’m going, too!” She’s exhausting herself, since her 20 hours of daily nap time is constantly being interrupted by following me around.
Poor old girl!
She’s afraid you’ll leave her behind! They sense everything.
Will you be able to stay in your current place while they do the carpeting and linoleum?
I haven’t decided yet, ebb. She gets all nervous and weird when strangers are in the house, and the new scent of the carpet and linoleum will confuse the heck out of her. We may end up either camping out at my dad’s place and commuting, or park the dog with my dad and try to stay here. I’m not thrilled about it either way. Wah.
I better get to bed. It’s another busy day tomorrow. I’ll see you for music night, if not before.
Goodnight!
Outstanding— Would Cantor’s foreskin suffice?
LL Cantor’s foreskin is pickled in a jar next to Santorum’s fetus on his mantelpiece.
Mike Rowe: thinking liberal women’s crumpet…. note to self, must get ball cap and new jeans.