“I think it will be brutal. Paul Ryan is just perfectly suited for this, and Biden is not. I’m predicting a massacre.”
Oh, for fuck’s sake, Chait.
I’ve been using that expression a lot lately, Zooey. Well, minus the ‘Chait’ part.
I think Jon Stewart is rubbing off on me…so to speak.
Joe is something like LBJ. Lyan is like Nixon. I think it will be brutal. I’m glad Lyan has health care.
Chait. Born 1972.
On our way to Encinitas to a debate party. Good food, drink and company.
BITE HIM, JOE!!!
Have fun!
Have a good time, crypto!
Have a good time. Enjoy the night out.
CNN is running a Lyan Ryan interview on the pregame
Somewhere, in a darkened room, Paul Ryan is stretching his hammies.— Highly scatological (@RaisingOneBrow) October 12, 2012
ok, I switched to CSPAN. I don’t have enough Maalox for CNN
Every time Ryan begins a response to an honest question with "Look…"-> take a shot. #VPDebateDrinkingGame— Nate FromUsa (@NatefromUSA) October 12, 2012
#JoeBidenGaffePrediction Forgetting they're mic'ed, Biden will lean into Ryan's ear when they shake hands & say "I'm gonna fuck ya, Son."— Wayne A Schneider (@WayneASchneider) October 12, 2012
The faux blond head tops would pop right off the Fux bimbos.
Ah, my wife's lawyer has just handed me a note saying I must thank my wife for that previous tweet. Thank you, Honey.— Wayne A Schneider (@WayneASchneider) October 12, 2012
Switched out the rolling pin for a lawyer, huh?
Oh, the rolling pin is still around.
You can use it on both of them.
How long is this thing anyway?
The debate, I mean. Wayne.
It’s 90 minutes.
And I’m stone cold sober. Oy…
I wish it were ninety minutes.
Oh, were you talking about the debate?
If it goes like the last one, it’ll be interminable.
Cheer up, badmoodman!
Oh wait, is that an oxymoron?
As my kids used to say, come on little lizard, its time to lock and load.
Oh, the moderator is to call Paul Ryan, Mr. Ryan and not Congressman Ryan. I hope Biden refers to him as Congressman Ryan.
That is odd and interesting.
Wonder what is behind that *strategy*.
I wish Biden would refer to him as “sonny.”
What is up with that? Not reminding people he’s running for two offices?
So cool. We have some 7 minutes of dead air to start the debate. Appropriate?
Uh oh, Martha is using the Michelle Bachmann camera.
Let’s do this thing.
Ryan was introduced as Congressman Paul Ryan.
Damn, Joe is dodging on Benghazi.
Let's not let cheap jokes about Paul Ryan looking like Eddie Munster distract us from the fact that he is a sociopath. #vpdebate#debate— Andy Borowitz (@BorowitzReport) October 12, 2012
Jeebus, Ryan has the Romney smirk implanted on his puss.
And the Romney pussy implanted on his smirk! Whoa! Don’t tell Mitt!
so the President doesn’t jump to stupid and wrong conclusions like Romney. Gotcha.
CHRIST, STOP LAUGHING JOE!!!!!!
Calling bullshit, yes!
I actually happen to have "malarkey" in the drinking game! Oh geez…— Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) October 12, 2012
Biden: "With all due respect, that's a bunch of malarkey." Raddatz: Why is that so? Biden: "Because not a single thing he said is accurate."— Tim Murphy (@timothypmurphy) October 12, 2012
Ryan is boring.
Jim Lehrer is no Martha Radditz, that’s for sure.
ryan’s faux outrage is weak.
Debate must be about to start, Chris Mathews breathing into paper bag— Bill Maher (@billmaher) October 12, 2012
Ryan not answering the Iran question.
Still not answering, and now lying.
I love when Ryan talkssofastyoucantreallyunderstandwhathessaying.
Yes, so annoying.
That is exactly what he is doing. He is dull and I can feel my eyes getting heavy when he speaks.
Where is Ryan getting his facts on Iran and nuclear weapons? Is he pulling this shit out of his hat?
Well, probably not his HAT…
Credility just cuz he says so? I don’t think so.
Romney & Ryan aren’t interested in diplomacy, which will get us into war after war after war.
Ryan is nervous. He keeps drinking water that means his mouth is dry. This happens when people are nervous.
So far, so good, now that Joe’s sobered up a bit.
Water down sanctions?? WTF??
Taking the view of the Ayatollahs would be “we need a nuke to protect ourselves from America.”
He is so full of shit.
Martha isn’t buying it!
Joe is animated when he speaks which makes his statements more believable.
I like Marsha
And I love Joe
I love him more!
So….Is Ryan playing his own drinking game???
Ryan is flailing.
Joe is kicking Paul’s ass.
Paulie is making this up as he goes.
War should be the absolute last resort — Hallelujah, Joe.
Sounds great so far.
Economy!!
Yay!
Joe and facts — I’m glad he’s going first.
47% YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG Joe brought up the 47%. Go Joe!
47% – you go Joe…
Joe’s getting hot on this. Go, Joe!
Joe is on a roll…
is there enough water on stage for “Mr.” Ryan to drown his tears?
Mitt may kick Paul outta bed.
Paulie has custody of the smarmy smile for the evening.
Oh please, Paul, don’t compare your background to Joe’s.
Damn. you are making it tempting to watch!
The economy is growing IN SPITE of you, Paulie.
You and your kind have filibustered every attempt to get this country back to work.
Raddatz actually used the February 2009 assessment based on false information about the depth of the recession to use against Biden. It’s absolutely unfair.
Mitt Romney’s a car guy.
WTF?
Fuck the anecdotes.
Oh christ, here comes the stories… blah, blah, blah… oh I feel your pain bullshit.
Romney will pay for the kids college? LOLOL
‘They went to the same church…’
Yeah, but they didn’t sit in the VIP pews like the Romneys.
Cheap shot on Joe, that was low.
He got a laugh from the crowd, but I think it was in Paulie’s direction.
Oh gawd, let’s get back on topic.
Seriously, this economy is recovering slowly, but Romney and Ryan are talking like it’s falling backwards — which is what they want.
Exposing Ryan’s votes.
One party control — weak shit!
Wah, unemployment 8%! Look asshole, it went under 8% this month IN SPITE OF YOU!
WTF is “green pork”.
BUSTED!
Ryan on the ropes over his requests for stimulus money. What a fucking liar.
Medicare and “entitlements”
Martha starts with a falsehood.
Biden filleted Ryan on the stimulus
Drink.
Lyin’ Ryan….STFU
OH MAN
I can’t believe Ryan said that
I love that Joe is calling Ryan on all his lies.
Ryan got called on privatizing Social Security.
Ryan gags up turds,
Releases them to the world,
Thinks they’re butterflies
That is Great!
Joe is on a roll and Lyan is trying so hard to sell crap.
Tell, it Joe!
I think Joe’s got this thing in the bag.
Paulie’s got nothing but lies and obfuscation, and Joe just belts out the truth.
I just wish that Joe would control his facial reactions a little better. Otherwise, yes, indeedy, he keeps smacking that pup on the nose with a rolled-up newspaper.
What Paulie’s saying is laughable.
And Paulie keeps on trying to goad Joe by making snide comments.
Joe, don’t be wonky.
Joe is spanking Lyan
Oh please, Paulie.
The Obama administration has spent less than any admin in living memory.
Thanks for going wonky, the audience’s eyes are glazing over, waiting for Joe to smack you down.
Here’s the BIG Wonkmesiter.
When these ‘cheap tax’ countries pay for their own security and military, their taxes will be higher than ours!
Ryan yadda, yadda, yadda… bullshit on taxes.
Marsha is actually trying
I wish that Martha would moderate the next Presidential debate
Paulie talks like the increase in taxes only happens once and it won’t pay off the debts. Are people stupid enough to buy this?
Right, like getting a pay raise helps you pay your bills just once. What an idiot.
Lower rates and eliminate loopholes. Bait and switch. The loopholes always come back!
Oooo… where are the specifics on the tax plan. And Ryan/Romney expects the Congress that they have despise will happily work with them.
6 studies my ass
The opposition:
“A small patch of brown liquid”
Perhaps creosote
Glad you’re live-haikuing with us tonight, CheeseFlap.
What…a…fucking…asshole!
Biden is a malicious man, and Raddatz is a pushover. Giving female moderators a bad name.— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) October 12, 2012
Fischer gives Christians a bad name.
@BryanJFischer I'm just an Atheist, but didn't YOUR Lord and Savior say "Judge not, lest ye be judged"?— Wayne A Schneider (@WayneASchneider) October 12, 2012
Gawd, my head is pounding.
My ears hurt. Martha should corral them in a little.
Oh, goody, defense cuts – this should go well!
Mitt Romney was a failure as a governor — 800 vetoes. He never worked with the Dems, except to take credit for Romneycare.
Which they could have had without him anyway! Veto-proof majority!
Exactly!
I watched the Frontline about Obama and Romney last night. Mitt didn’t come out looking so good.
I couldn’t watch it. I caught a few bits on other shows, but my blood pressure is a little high so I skipped it.
This is WAY too wonky for the public. It’s all about style now.
Ryan/Romney just got called on their increase in defense spending while cutting taxes.
The small business
File as individuals
But they create jobs?
Paulie making it up as he goes.
Contradicting Mittens.
Martha, you’re a moderator, not a participant.
Is it just me, or is Martha giving paulie more speaking time?
It’s the blue eyes.
maybe it’s the Goober hat.
Honestly, it’s hard to tell, as I tend to zone out when he starts talking.
Ryan was in “awe” but he never served so he should be in awe that someone would risk their life for our nation.
Paul’s shorts are destroyed
Tossed in the hotel trashcan
Wisconsin snowballs
Jim Lehrer could learn something about moderating a debate from Martha.
At least this thing is actually moderated.
Martha is allowing Biden to interrupt Ryan. Paul Ryan was told to talk as long as he can get away with but Joe won’t let him do that. Obama should have done that to Rmoney.
I hope Obama is watching tonight, cuz this is what he needs to do next debate.
Why didn’t you serve, Paulie?
Ryan is full of shit.
Paulie wants to give the commanders what they need to be successful, but doesn’t listen to the commanders who tell him what they need.
Do YOU turn on your television screen?
Ryan just used a George W. Bush line.
Did Ryan just say that the new Romney position is to be in line with the Obama 2014 deadline for withdrawal? That’s an insta-flop
49 0f our allies. Go joe
Martha, your are not a participant.
Joe’s a pitbull tonight.
The dog needs walkies. She better be quick!
I'm actually starting to feel sorry for Ryan. But it wld be cool if Biden made him cry— Bill Maher (@billmaher) October 12, 2012
Ryan is sweating, big time.
Ryan’s an Afghan expert now.
Oh bejeebus, Ryan knows how the war works.
What a strategist
He knows all the inside scoop
Ryan is a punk
ICYMI on the Watering Hole, here’s your Emergency Puppy for the day. I’m sure they’ll catch up soon.
Is Ryan a turkey or an ostrich? What’s with the head movements?
Ryan is losing this debate. Romney should have picked a “real man” to do the job instead of a teabagger.
What I’d give to see Ryan choke on or spill that water all over.
I think Paulie needs to pee, and it’s making him lie more ridiculously.
Uh, Romney is proposing to send troops into Syria.
Tiny farts emerge
“First let me blame some Russians”
(Now I’ll shit myself)
CheeseFlap!
WTF is Ryan talking about with Syria? Ryan is clueless when it comes to the middle east.
He does have that “reformer” thing down cold.
Paulie, you are so stupid. We don’t know who the “freedom fighters” are.
Paulie thinks all Americans wet their beds every night like he does.
Buck up, little fraidy cat.
Wait, did Ryan just advocate SANCTIONS instead of war??? Ummm, Iran, HELLO?
Oh god religion and abortion
Abortion is now on the table.
Who gives a shit about religion!?
Paulie will have to lie about his Ayn Rand religion. Joe will win this one, hands down.
Says reason and science, tells a bean story…
Raddatz is making the case for Jim Lehrer’s retirement. None of Lehrer’s open-ended “tell us about your differences” blather.
No Paulie, you don’t respect people who disagree with you. Your record shows this quite clearly.
Oh how cute. He called the fetus “bean”. My daughter did the same thing. So what else is new?
Paulie losing focus. He should continue to speak personally — although, maybe he couldn’t do that with a straight face.
Ryan is lying his damn ass off about federal money going for abortions.
The nuns on the bus are laughing at Paulie right now.
Ryan repeats that secularism – the distinction between politics and religion, between state and church, cannot and should not exist.
Ryan just claimed that Romney supports abortion under certain circumstances. Change in policy. Tomorrow, it will be back to all abortions should be banned.
Biden notes that Ryan was not always accepting of rape as an exception for abortion.— Toby Ziegler (@Toby_Ziegler) October 12, 2012
What a stupid fucking question.
One thing is certain: Paul Ryan is well hydrated.
I’m surprised he hasn’t peed himself, well at least that we know of.
He has a catheter inserted into his johnson which empties into a bag on his leg.
Yes, our family called that the “dress catheter.”
It’s also known as a “Texas catheter”.
Okay, this needs to be over now. I want to celebrate.
Go ahead, Ryan’s just giving examples of the attack ads now.
Not so soon young woman…
the librul media hasn’t yet declared Lyin’ Ryan the winner….////
Paulie needs to pee.
Oh shit, Ryan is attacking even though the soldier said that he disliked the attacks.
lies, lies, lies, lies, lies
Closing statements. Joe talks to America. Lyan makes a political statement.
Wow, Paulie is finishing up with a bunch of lies rival Mitt’s lies. He’s going to suffer for this in the next week.
Paulie’s on shaky ground regarding character.
I’m glad he went first.
Speech impediment?
What the fuck is he saying?
What is he drinking?
Subpar performance
The young gun has misfired
Hemlock tomorrow
Obama kept a lot of his promises. Oh, it’s back to the famous “5 point plan”.
My guess is Ryan will end with yapping about the “5 point plan” and how Obama has failed the economy. We didn’t hear about the job reports.
They can’t talk without lying.
Good grief, Ryan is a boring speaker.
Paul Ryan's going to close with a slow-motion Gish Gallop #vpdebate— Wayne A Schneider (@WayneASchneider) October 12, 2012
Paulie knows Mitt is going to lose this election, and all he’s doing to saving his reputation with the far rightwing nutjobs so he can run in 2016.
He is also trying to keep his job in Congress.
Ryan is claiming that Romney creates jobs. He didn’t mention that the jobs were overseas.
JOE WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joe talks to America, Lyan gives a political speech
I am so thrilled that Joe took it to the little weasel on every topic and that Marsha did a decent job
Tweety: A clear win for Joe Biden.
Rachel: Ryan in over his head.
You guys, I'm not sure that Biden and Ryan are actually friends. #vpdebate— Henry Decker (@HenryADecker) October 12, 2012
I DETEST DAVID Brooks…
What’s the latest reason, did I miss something?
I only caught about one minute and that was :59 seconds too long.
He thought Biden came across as an arrogant bully (I’m paraphrasing).
Joe poured Ryan a big cup of Shut The Fuck Up.
Soledad O'Brien clearly thinks Radditz was the winner— Harold Itzkowitz (@HaroldItz) October 12, 2012
Ok, so now that Al-Qaeda is no longer a threat here in U.S., can I have my civil liberties and privacy back, please?— Z-Diddy™ (@Ziggy_Daddy) October 12, 2012
Steven Schmidt is whining about Joe’s smiling.
People know that Joe was laughing at Ryan because his lies were laughable.
I’d say this was a solid win for Biden, as well as a competent performance by Ryan.
bmm, I only just now realized what your gravatar is – what a pisser!
Good Lord, the deranged turtle from Kentucky is fussing about Biden talking over and interrupting Ryan. I’ve turned the TV off.
Biden did to Ryan what Cheney did to Edwards in style and demeanor and authoritah
One sister posts a totally vague comment on FB about a “butt kicking” in progress, and the other claims, while not watching, that Ryan is in a contest with an unarmed man. I added that Joe kicked Ryan’s ass all over that stage, and the post goes quiet.
My work is done there.
Well done, Zooey. I’m so glad that my immediate family are liberal.
Neither one of them pay attention to politics, but they think they know what they’re talking about. I’m so over that shit. I won’t start anything, but I most certainly will provide facts when they do.
the only other liberal in the family is my dad’s wife, and she’s so fucking passive that she on’t say BOO.
@GuyFawkesVV @msnbc If by "won" you mean "told the most lies," then I can see why you thought Ryan won— Wayne A Schneider (@WayneASchneider) October 12, 2012
So “Guy Fawkes” agrees Mitt lost last week?
Have you asked Mr fawkes why his hero is a religious fanatic, convicted and executed for being caught in an act of terrorism yet?
Whew, I’m glad that worked out pretty much the way I had hoped.
We’re off to prepare for Jon Stewart. May stop in later.
Finally, if Obama had been this strong, the election would be over now. I predict he will be in the next two, so off the ledge, Sullivan!— Bill Maher (@billmaher) October 12, 2012
The sniveling about Biden interrupting…ummm that’s exactly what mittens did on top of attempting to be the moderator. Correction: mittens was the moderator as Lehrer failed to show up.
Hi guys, what’s going on? Thanks Joe btw.
Got through a debate while sober, thankyouverymuch.
I can’t quite claim the same.
Heh, I’ll be provisioned for the next one.
I am so totally impressed with and proud of my Vice President. His performance in the debate was entirely professional and whacked the little weasel of talking points at every chance. As in other things, the President needs to realize he made a damn fine choice for VP and he needs to follow where the old dog leads. Joe won tonight on not only points but on class.
I agree hooda. Ryan squirmed like a slimy thing whose rock was being kicked over.
I really can’t make up my mind about how I feel about the undecideds. [rimshot]
Seriously, though. These so-called undecideds are people who really have no fucking clue as to what they believe in.
The undecideds are as hollow and coreless as Mitt.
They just enjoy all the attention, and probably have no intention of voting.
“Arrogant” was the label that Obama was trying to avoid; I’m glad Biden wore it proudly. Of course, he can’t be labeled “uppity”. The RWNJ hypocrisy is completely predictable: Biden refused to be worked on so he’s arrogant, but when Romney tromped on the moderator and the President he was “presidential.” Fuck that shit.
I do hope that the President lets his inner kick-ass loose next week.
On a rating scale, Marsha did a pretty fair job as moderator, much better than Leherer. Joe pretty much owned the debate. Lyan? Yeah, he was there too, sorta.
“I don’t know who his debate partner was,” Priebus said Thursday night, in the CNN spin room. “Maybe it was Ed Schultz from MSNBC, I’m not sure.”
Priebus also said: “He didn’t use the experience he has to be respectful, clear, and state your point, wait for your opponent. Fact of the matter, when it came to substance, he didn’t win, and when it came to style, Joe Biden completely failed.”
But it’s okay when Mitt Romney does it, no worries.
Joe brought a gun to a knife fight. Fuck you, Reince.
On a hissy fit scale I rate that about a 2.
Reince Priebus is one of the few people RNC could have picked as chairman that make Michael Steele look like a statesman.
Srsly!
They see Joe as black by extension. So it was rather uppity of Joe to interrupt a good old Midwestern Farm boy who can see Canada from his house.
Only if his house is the tallest building in the world times about 4.
The Romney campaign released a statement from Betty Douglas, Paul Ryan’s mother, saying that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan “will protect Medicare for retirees like me”:
“Tonight’s debate showed seniors across the country that we have a very clear choice between the current administration, which has already cut Medicare by $716 billion to pay for Obamacare, and Mitt Romney and Paul who will protect Medicare for retirees like me and strengthen it for my grandchildren’s generation and generations thereafter.”
Are we sure this woman likes her grandchildren? Does she stuff vouchers in their Christmas stockings?
She probably stuffs used tissues and cough drops in their stockings.
Thanks for that flashback, Zooey, you made me laugh. I can’t count how many tissues and cough drops (or hard candy) we found when we cleaned out both Mum’s and Dad’s clothes. We had to laugh over it, it was so typical of them.
Heh, every pocket of every piece of clothing my mom owned contained tissues, and half of them also contained mints. As much as I missed her (still do) and as sad as I was to be going through her clothing, it made me smile every time I found one of those tissues.
Yeah, but for those of us under 54 (but close)… we’re totally fucked. We’ll NEVER get to retire.
I know I won’t. I’m living on my retirement account right now. I can’t get a job now, so I’m wondering what it will be like looking for a job when I’m 70?
RNC Chair: Ryan Provided ‘Boatloads Of Specifics’
And by ‘boatloads’ they mean a toy in the bathtub.
Well, lies can be specific.
Too bad most of them were torpedoed.
Marsha Blackburn, blech.
Why is Tweety letting her go on?
Ryan used no thought process. He couldn’t wait to spew the lies he was told to hold out as truth.
Yeah, they really just keep spouting off their Frank Luntz-directed catch phrases.
As one of the commentators mentioned on CNN at the end, Ryan seemed very robotic.
Wow Z… as soon as my FB page refreshed you had already commented.
I’m a bit hyper right now.
Me too. Which is why I’m looking at soothing sunrise/sunset photos to help bring the adrenalin back down so I can get to sleep.
Did you notice Ryan never did answer the question about having specifics in his plan.
He never answered a question if he could help it.
That might depend on your definition of answer. He did expound a few times on the Jethro Bodine theories of math and foreign policy.
It’s that quality 6th grade education.
I got he impression he’ll work those out later, in a bipartisan fashion, led by the guy with the magic underwear.
Whenever they say that Romney is a proven job creator, why aren’t Obama and Biden going with the punchline: “in other countries.”
I don’t think anyone is buying the “job creator” thing anymore. Anyone who’s buying it is already voting for Mittens.
CNN showing an insta-poll saying Ryan won 48/44; essentially calling it a draw (margin of error).
A CNN poll is about as good as a Fux poll.
Did they poll people who actually watched it?
Despite the media saying that the first debate is a game changer; as of this morning (last night really), Nate Silver’s model is still showing Obama winning comfortably.
In a way its sort of sad. The wunderkid of the Republican Party just got pantz on national TV. I’m gonna cry. Sometime REAL soon. I’m serious!
I love it when he talks about how bad things are in his home town of Janesville. I’ve been to Janesville, and have used it as a layover spot on trips from Minnesota (where I live) to Ohio (where my parents live). Janesville was a town in deep economic trouble for years before Obama became president.
No no no, time began on 1/20/09!!
Only if you cry while laughing.
Chuck Todd looks sick. Still an asshole.
I think, I know, hold on to your hats or privates, that what Joe did was bring back the idea that the Prez , and his administration, has the passion to close the deal. Now it’s up to Prez Obama.
Agreed.
Ah…you say the sweetist thangs.
I know. That’s what all the boys say.
Oh jeebus, there’s a WA governor debate right now. I can’t watch it, or I’ll be up all night.
I’m off to bed – hope everyone had fun tonight!
Goodnight, Jane! Thanks for putting up this post.
Hope your health is improving at a rapid rate.
Sleep well and awaken refreshed!
The right seem to be all up in arms that Joe laughed. He wasn’t laughing at the seriousness of the issues. He was laughing at the joke policies and lies being offered up by Ryan.
They just wish they were having this conversation about Obama.
Reich wrapped it up quite neatly.
Yeppers! I’m winding down quite nicely, so goodnight!
Let’s hope Biden floats like a butterfly and stings the GOP in the ass. hmm. Needle working fine.
I wanna see Joe. The man doesn’t always do politically correct but he knows how to punch.
I remember watching that fight with my Dad. It may have been tape delayed, but we didn’t know the result.
I’ll check in here periodically and trust your (plural) impressions and judgments. I can’t watch.
I remembered to take my 1/2 Xanax, so I’m good to go.
Does anyone have a good link for the debate?
http://www.c-span.org/Debates/
http://tvpc.com/Channel.php?ChannelID=7295
Prolly MSNBC, too.
I’ve found CCN
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/debates/vice-presidential-debate
Jonathan Chait:
“I think it will be brutal. Paul Ryan is just perfectly suited for this, and Biden is not. I’m predicting a massacre.”
Oh, for fuck’s sake, Chait.
I’ve been using that expression a lot lately, Zooey. Well, minus the ‘Chait’ part.
I think Jon Stewart is rubbing off on me…so to speak.
Joe is something like LBJ. Lyan is like Nixon. I think it will be brutal. I’m glad Lyan has health care.
Chait. Born 1972.
On our way to Encinitas to a debate party. Good food, drink and company.
BITE HIM, JOE!!!
Have fun!
Have a good time, crypto!
Have a good time. Enjoy the night out.
CNN is running a Lyan Ryan interview on the pregame
ok, I switched to CSPAN. I don’t have enough Maalox for CNN
The faux blond head tops would pop right off the Fux bimbos.
I can’t stand that creep. I have a feeling he’s the same in both universes.
Coldly smarmy
Switched out the rolling pin for a lawyer, huh?
Oh, the rolling pin is still around.
You can use it on both of them.
How long is this thing anyway?
The debate, I mean. Wayne.
It’s 90 minutes.
And I’m stone cold sober. Oy…
I wish it were ninety minutes.
Oh, were you talking about the debate?
If it goes like the last one, it’ll be interminable.
Cheer up, badmoodman!
Oh wait, is that an oxymoron?
As my kids used to say, come on little lizard, its time to lock and load.
Oh, the moderator is to call Paul Ryan, Mr. Ryan and not Congressman Ryan. I hope Biden refers to him as Congressman Ryan.
That is odd and interesting.
Wonder what is behind that *strategy*.
I wish Biden would refer to him as “sonny.”
What is up with that? Not reminding people he’s running for two offices?
So cool. We have some 7 minutes of dead air to start the debate. Appropriate?
Uh oh, Martha is using the Michelle Bachmann camera.
Let’s do this thing.
Ryan was introduced as Congressman Paul Ryan.
Damn, Joe is dodging on Benghazi.
Jeebus, Ryan has the Romney smirk implanted on his puss.
And the Romney pussy implanted on his smirk! Whoa! Don’t tell Mitt!
so the President doesn’t jump to stupid and wrong conclusions like Romney. Gotcha.
CHRIST, STOP LAUGHING JOE!!!!!!
Calling bullshit, yes!
Ryan is boring.
Jim Lehrer is no Martha Radditz, that’s for sure.
ryan’s faux outrage is weak.
Ryan not answering the Iran question.
Still not answering, and now lying.
I love when Ryan talkssofastyoucantreallyunderstandwhathessaying.
Yes, so annoying.
That is exactly what he is doing. He is dull and I can feel my eyes getting heavy when he speaks.
Where is Ryan getting his facts on Iran and nuclear weapons? Is he pulling this shit out of his hat?
Well, probably not his HAT…
Credility just cuz he says so? I don’t think so.
Romney & Ryan aren’t interested in diplomacy, which will get us into war after war after war.
Ryan is nervous. He keeps drinking water that means his mouth is dry. This happens when people are nervous.
So far, so good, now that Joe’s sobered up a bit.
Water down sanctions?? WTF??
Taking the view of the Ayatollahs would be “we need a nuke to protect ourselves from America.”
He is so full of shit.
Martha isn’t buying it!
Joe is animated when he speaks which makes his statements more believable.
I like Marsha
And I love Joe
I love him more!
So….Is Ryan playing his own drinking game???
Ryan is flailing.
Joe is kicking Paul’s ass.
Paulie is making this up as he goes.
War should be the absolute last resort — Hallelujah, Joe.
Sounds great so far.
Economy!!
Yay!
Joe and facts — I’m glad he’s going first.
47% YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG Joe brought up the 47%. Go Joe!
47% – you go Joe…
Joe’s getting hot on this. Go, Joe!
Joe is on a roll…
is there enough water on stage for “Mr.” Ryan to drown his tears?
Mitt may kick Paul outta bed.
Paulie has custody of the smarmy smile for the evening.
Oh please, Paul, don’t compare your background to Joe’s.
Damn. you are making it tempting to watch!
The economy is growing IN SPITE of you, Paulie.
You and your kind have filibustered every attempt to get this country back to work.
Raddatz actually used the February 2009 assessment based on false information about the depth of the recession to use against Biden. It’s absolutely unfair.
Mitt Romney’s a car guy.
WTF?
Fuck the anecdotes.
Oh christ, here comes the stories… blah, blah, blah… oh I feel your pain bullshit.
Romney will pay for the kids college? LOLOL
‘They went to the same church…’
Yeah, but they didn’t sit in the VIP pews like the Romneys.
Cheap shot on Joe, that was low.
He got a laugh from the crowd, but I think it was in Paulie’s direction.
Oh gawd, let’s get back on topic.
Seriously, this economy is recovering slowly, but Romney and Ryan are talking like it’s falling backwards — which is what they want.
Exposing Ryan’s votes.
One party control — weak shit!
Wah, unemployment 8%! Look asshole, it went under 8% this month IN SPITE OF YOU!
WTF is “green pork”.
BUSTED!
Ryan on the ropes over his requests for stimulus money. What a fucking liar.
Medicare and “entitlements”
Martha starts with a falsehood.
Biden filleted Ryan on the stimulus
Drink.
Lyin’ Ryan….STFU
OH MAN
I can’t believe Ryan said that
I love that Joe is calling Ryan on all his lies.
Ryan got called on privatizing Social Security.
Ryan gags up turds,
Releases them to the world,
Thinks they’re butterflies
That is Great!
Joe is on a roll and Lyan is trying so hard to sell crap.
Tell, it Joe!
I think Joe’s got this thing in the bag.
Paulie’s got nothing but lies and obfuscation, and Joe just belts out the truth.
I just wish that Joe would control his facial reactions a little better. Otherwise, yes, indeedy, he keeps smacking that pup on the nose with a rolled-up newspaper.
What Paulie’s saying is laughable.
And Paulie keeps on trying to goad Joe by making snide comments.
Joe, don’t be wonky.
Joe is spanking Lyan
Oh please, Paulie.
The Obama administration has spent less than any admin in living memory.
Thanks for going wonky, the audience’s eyes are glazing over, waiting for Joe to smack you down.
Here’s the BIG Wonkmesiter.
When these ‘cheap tax’ countries pay for their own security and military, their taxes will be higher than ours!
Ryan yadda, yadda, yadda… bullshit on taxes.
Marsha is actually trying
I wish that Martha would moderate the next Presidential debate
Paulie talks like the increase in taxes only happens once and it won’t pay off the debts. Are people stupid enough to buy this?
Right, like getting a pay raise helps you pay your bills just once. What an idiot.
Lower rates and eliminate loopholes. Bait and switch. The loopholes always come back!
Oooo… where are the specifics on the tax plan. And Ryan/Romney expects the Congress that they have despise will happily work with them.
6 studies my ass
The opposition:
“A small patch of brown liquid”
Perhaps creosote
Glad you’re live-haikuing with us tonight, CheeseFlap.
What…a…fucking…asshole!
Fischer gives Christians a bad name.
Gawd, my head is pounding.
My ears hurt. Martha should corral them in a little.
Oh, goody, defense cuts – this should go well!
Mitt Romney was a failure as a governor — 800 vetoes. He never worked with the Dems, except to take credit for Romneycare.
Which they could have had without him anyway! Veto-proof majority!
Exactly!
I watched the Frontline about Obama and Romney last night. Mitt didn’t come out looking so good.
I couldn’t watch it. I caught a few bits on other shows, but my blood pressure is a little high so I skipped it.
This is WAY too wonky for the public. It’s all about style now.
Ryan/Romney just got called on their increase in defense spending while cutting taxes.
The small business
File as individuals
But they create jobs?
Paulie making it up as he goes.
Contradicting Mittens.
Martha, you’re a moderator, not a participant.
Is it just me, or is Martha giving paulie more speaking time?
It’s the blue eyes.
maybe it’s the Goober hat.
Honestly, it’s hard to tell, as I tend to zone out when he starts talking.
Ryan was in “awe” but he never served so he should be in awe that someone would risk their life for our nation.
Paul’s shorts are destroyed
Tossed in the hotel trashcan
Wisconsin snowballs
Jim Lehrer could learn something about moderating a debate from Martha.
At least this thing is actually moderated.
Martha is allowing Biden to interrupt Ryan. Paul Ryan was told to talk as long as he can get away with but Joe won’t let him do that. Obama should have done that to Rmoney.
I hope Obama is watching tonight, cuz this is what he needs to do next debate.
Why didn’t you serve, Paulie?
Ryan is full of shit.
Paulie wants to give the commanders what they need to be successful, but doesn’t listen to the commanders who tell him what they need.
Do YOU turn on your television screen?
Ryan just used a George W. Bush line.
Did Ryan just say that the new Romney position is to be in line with the Obama 2014 deadline for withdrawal? That’s an insta-flop
49 0f our allies. Go joe
Martha, your are not a participant.
Joe’s a pitbull tonight.
The dog needs walkies. She better be quick!
Ryan is sweating, big time.
Ryan’s an Afghan expert now.
Oh bejeebus, Ryan knows how the war works.
What a strategist
He knows all the inside scoop
Ryan is a punk
ICYMI on the Watering Hole, here’s your Emergency Puppy for the day. I’m sure they’ll catch up soon.
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You had me thinking I was on the wrong thread!
What is Ryan’s point here? War without end?
Is Ryan a turkey or an ostrich? What’s with the head movements?
Ryan is losing this debate. Romney should have picked a “real man” to do the job instead of a teabagger.
What I’d give to see Ryan choke on or spill that water all over.
I think Paulie needs to pee, and it’s making him lie more ridiculously.
Uh, Romney is proposing to send troops into Syria.
Tiny farts emerge
“First let me blame some Russians”
(Now I’ll shit myself)
CheeseFlap!
WTF is Ryan talking about with Syria? Ryan is clueless when it comes to the middle east.
He does have that “reformer” thing down cold.
Paulie, you are so stupid. We don’t know who the “freedom fighters” are.
Paulie thinks all Americans wet their beds every night like he does.
Buck up, little fraidy cat.
Wait, did Ryan just advocate SANCTIONS instead of war??? Ummm, Iran, HELLO?
Oh god religion and abortion
Abortion is now on the table.
Who gives a shit about religion!?
Paulie will have to lie about his Ayn Rand religion. Joe will win this one, hands down.
Says reason and science, tells a bean story…
Raddatz is making the case for Jim Lehrer’s retirement. None of Lehrer’s open-ended “tell us about your differences” blather.
No Paulie, you don’t respect people who disagree with you. Your record shows this quite clearly.
Oh how cute. He called the fetus “bean”. My daughter did the same thing. So what else is new?
Paulie losing focus. He should continue to speak personally — although, maybe he couldn’t do that with a straight face.
Ryan is lying his damn ass off about federal money going for abortions.
The nuns on the bus are laughing at Paulie right now.
Ryan repeats that secularism – the distinction between politics and religion, between state and church, cannot and should not exist.
Ryan just claimed that Romney supports abortion under certain circumstances. Change in policy. Tomorrow, it will be back to all abortions should be banned.
What a stupid fucking question.
One thing is certain: Paul Ryan is well hydrated.
I’m surprised he hasn’t peed himself, well at least that we know of.
He has a catheter inserted into his johnson which empties into a bag on his leg.
Yes, our family called that the “dress catheter.”
It’s also known as a “Texas catheter”.
Okay, this needs to be over now. I want to celebrate.
Go ahead, Ryan’s just giving examples of the attack ads now.
Not so soon young woman…
the librul media hasn’t yet declared Lyin’ Ryan the winner….////
Paulie needs to pee.
Oh shit, Ryan is attacking even though the soldier said that he disliked the attacks.
lies, lies, lies, lies, lies
Closing statements. Joe talks to America. Lyan makes a political statement.
Wow, Paulie is finishing up with a bunch of lies rival Mitt’s lies. He’s going to suffer for this in the next week.
Paulie’s on shaky ground regarding character.
I’m glad he went first.
Speech impediment?
What the fuck is he saying?
What is he drinking?
Subpar performance
The young gun has misfired
Hemlock tomorrow
Obama kept a lot of his promises. Oh, it’s back to the famous “5 point plan”.
My guess is Ryan will end with yapping about the “5 point plan” and how Obama has failed the economy. We didn’t hear about the job reports.
They can’t talk without lying.
Good grief, Ryan is a boring speaker.
Paulie knows Mitt is going to lose this election, and all he’s doing to saving his reputation with the far rightwing nutjobs so he can run in 2016.
He is also trying to keep his job in Congress.
Ryan is claiming that Romney creates jobs. He didn’t mention that the jobs were overseas.
JOE WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Joe talks to America, Lyan gives a political speech
I am so thrilled that Joe took it to the little weasel on every topic and that Marsha did a decent job
Tweety: A clear win for Joe Biden.
Rachel: Ryan in over his head.
I DETEST DAVID Brooks…
What’s the latest reason, did I miss something?
I only caught about one minute and that was :59 seconds too long.
He thought Biden came across as an arrogant bully (I’m paraphrasing).
Joe poured Ryan a big cup of Shut The Fuck Up.
Steven Schmidt is whining about Joe’s smiling.
People know that Joe was laughing at Ryan because his lies were laughable.
I’d say this was a solid win for Biden, as well as a competent performance by Ryan.
bmm, I only just now realized what your gravatar is – what a pisser!
Good Lord, the deranged turtle from Kentucky is fussing about Biden talking over and interrupting Ryan. I’ve turned the TV off.
Biden did to Ryan what Cheney did to Edwards in style and demeanor and authoritah
One sister posts a totally vague comment on FB about a “butt kicking” in progress, and the other claims, while not watching, that Ryan is in a contest with an unarmed man. I added that Joe kicked Ryan’s ass all over that stage, and the post goes quiet.
My work is done there.
Well done, Zooey. I’m so glad that my immediate family are liberal.
Neither one of them pay attention to politics, but they think they know what they’re talking about. I’m so over that shit. I won’t start anything, but I most certainly will provide facts when they do.
the only other liberal in the family is my dad’s wife, and she’s so fucking passive that she on’t say BOO.
So “Guy Fawkes” agrees Mitt lost last week?
Have you asked Mr fawkes why his hero is a religious fanatic, convicted and executed for being caught in an act of terrorism yet?
Whew, I’m glad that worked out pretty much the way I had hoped.
We’re off to prepare for Jon Stewart. May stop in later.
The sniveling about Biden interrupting…ummm that’s exactly what mittens did on top of attempting to be the moderator. Correction: mittens was the moderator as Lehrer failed to show up.
Hi guys, what’s going on? Thanks Joe btw.
Got through a debate while sober, thankyouverymuch.
I can’t quite claim the same.
Heh, I’ll be provisioned for the next one.
I am so totally impressed with and proud of my Vice President. His performance in the debate was entirely professional and whacked the little weasel of talking points at every chance. As in other things, the President needs to realize he made a damn fine choice for VP and he needs to follow where the old dog leads. Joe won tonight on not only points but on class.
I agree hooda. Ryan squirmed like a slimy thing whose rock was being kicked over.
I really can’t make up my mind about how I feel about the undecideds. [rimshot]
Seriously, though. These so-called undecideds are people who really have no fucking clue as to what they believe in.
The undecideds are as hollow and coreless as Mitt.
They just enjoy all the attention, and probably have no intention of voting.
“Arrogant” was the label that Obama was trying to avoid; I’m glad Biden wore it proudly. Of course, he can’t be labeled “uppity”. The RWNJ hypocrisy is completely predictable: Biden refused to be worked on so he’s arrogant, but when Romney tromped on the moderator and the President he was “presidential.” Fuck that shit.
I do hope that the President lets his inner kick-ass loose next week.
On a rating scale, Marsha did a pretty fair job as moderator, much better than Leherer. Joe pretty much owned the debate. Lyan? Yeah, he was there too, sorta.
So have any insta-polls been revealed yet?
Reince Priebus, the chairman of the Republican National Committee, blasted Vice President Joe Biden for interrupting and laughing at Rep. Paul Ryan during the vice presidential debate
“I don’t know who his debate partner was,” Priebus said Thursday night, in the CNN spin room. “Maybe it was Ed Schultz from MSNBC, I’m not sure.”
Priebus also said: “He didn’t use the experience he has to be respectful, clear, and state your point, wait for your opponent. Fact of the matter, when it came to substance, he didn’t win, and when it came to style, Joe Biden completely failed.”
But it’s okay when Mitt Romney does it, no worries.
Joe brought a gun to a knife fight. Fuck you, Reince.
On a hissy fit scale I rate that about a 2.
Reince Priebus is one of the few people RNC could have picked as chairman that make Michael Steele look like a statesman.
Srsly!
They see Joe as black by extension. So it was rather uppity of Joe to interrupt a good old Midwestern Farm boy who can see Canada from his house.
Only if his house is the tallest building in the world times about 4.
Mommy!! Joe Biden was mean to me, Mommy!!
The Romney campaign released a statement from Betty Douglas, Paul Ryan’s mother, saying that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan “will protect Medicare for retirees like me”:
“Tonight’s debate showed seniors across the country that we have a very clear choice between the current administration, which has already cut Medicare by $716 billion to pay for Obamacare, and Mitt Romney and Paul who will protect Medicare for retirees like me and strengthen it for my grandchildren’s generation and generations thereafter.”
Are we sure this woman likes her grandchildren? Does she stuff vouchers in their Christmas stockings?
She probably stuffs used tissues and cough drops in their stockings.
Thanks for that flashback, Zooey, you made me laugh. I can’t count how many tissues and cough drops (or hard candy) we found when we cleaned out both Mum’s and Dad’s clothes. We had to laugh over it, it was so typical of them.
Heh, every pocket of every piece of clothing my mom owned contained tissues, and half of them also contained mints. As much as I missed her (still do) and as sad as I was to be going through her clothing, it made me smile every time I found one of those tissues.
Yeah, but for those of us under 54 (but close)… we’re totally fucked. We’ll NEVER get to retire.
I know I won’t. I’m living on my retirement account right now. I can’t get a job now, so I’m wondering what it will be like looking for a job when I’m 70?
RNC Chair: Ryan Provided ‘Boatloads Of Specifics’
And by ‘boatloads’ they mean a toy in the bathtub.
Well, lies can be specific.
Too bad most of them were torpedoed.
Marsha Blackburn, blech.
Why is Tweety letting her go on?
Ryan used no thought process. He couldn’t wait to spew the lies he was told to hold out as truth.
Yeah, they really just keep spouting off their Frank Luntz-directed catch phrases.
As one of the commentators mentioned on CNN at the end, Ryan seemed very robotic.
Wow Z… as soon as my FB page refreshed you had already commented.
I’m a bit hyper right now.
Me too. Which is why I’m looking at soothing sunrise/sunset photos to help bring the adrenalin back down so I can get to sleep.
Did you notice Ryan never did answer the question about having specifics in his plan.
He never answered a question if he could help it.
That might depend on your definition of answer. He did expound a few times on the Jethro Bodine theories of math and foreign policy.
It’s that quality 6th grade education.
I got he impression he’ll work those out later, in a bipartisan fashion, led by the guy with the magic underwear.
Whenever they say that Romney is a proven job creator, why aren’t Obama and Biden going with the punchline: “in other countries.”
I don’t think anyone is buying the “job creator” thing anymore. Anyone who’s buying it is already voting for Mittens.
CNN showing an insta-poll saying Ryan won 48/44; essentially calling it a draw (margin of error).
A CNN poll is about as good as a Fux poll.
Did they poll people who actually watched it?
Despite the media saying that the first debate is a game changer; as of this morning (last night really), Nate Silver’s model is still showing Obama winning comfortably.
In a way its sort of sad. The wunderkid of the Republican Party just got pantz on national TV. I’m gonna cry. Sometime REAL soon. I’m serious!
I love it when he talks about how bad things are in his home town of Janesville. I’ve been to Janesville, and have used it as a layover spot on trips from Minnesota (where I live) to Ohio (where my parents live). Janesville was a town in deep economic trouble for years before Obama became president.
No no no, time began on 1/20/09!!
Only if you cry while laughing.
Chuck Todd looks sick. Still an asshole.
I think, I know, hold on to your hats or privates, that what Joe did was bring back the idea that the Prez , and his administration, has the passion to close the deal. Now it’s up to Prez Obama.
Agreed.
Ah…you say the sweetist thangs.
I know. That’s what all the boys say.
Oh jeebus, there’s a WA governor debate right now. I can’t watch it, or I’ll be up all night.
I’m off to bed – hope everyone had fun tonight!
Goodnight, Jane! Thanks for putting up this post.
Hope your health is improving at a rapid rate.
Sleep well and awaken refreshed!
The right seem to be all up in arms that Joe laughed. He wasn’t laughing at the seriousness of the issues. He was laughing at the joke policies and lies being offered up by Ryan.
They just wish they were having this conversation about Obama.
Reich wrapped it up quite neatly.
Yeppers! I’m winding down quite nicely, so goodnight!