Huckabee seems to feel women need to submit to their husbands..

When I was in grade school I remember my mom reading this book called “Fascinating Womanhood” by Helen B. Andelin, a kind of 50’s ‘dress nice, have his pipe and slippers ready when he comes home from work’ kind of book, on how to be that perfect wife for your husband…

She tried it for a week or so, and threw the book away. It was basically a lesson on how to become a doormat.. A prop in the husband’s perfect world. The entire book is focused on pleasing the husband and doing everything possible to make HIM comfortable, meeting all HIS needs, and making yourself pleasing in every way. It was about becoming a non-person and being all things to your husband, making his world all comfortable and perfect. The picture that comes to mind is the old magazines from the 40’s and 50’s with the women in their kitchens, cooking a huge meal in dress and high heels, hair done and makeup perfect. The house and yard were always perfect, the kids always clean and well mannered, and when dad came home, the wife waited on him hand and foot.

Well, I guess that sounds a lot like the kind of wife Mike Huckabee things women should become.
According to Daily Kos, Huckabee thinkswomen’s role in marriage is to “graciously submit”.

Huckabee’s opinion on gay marriage is out there, but we should also be publicizing Huckabee’s opinions on heterosexual marriage. Specifically, what he believes about a women’s role in a marriage.

In August of 1998, Huckabee was one of 131 signatories to a full page USA Today Ad which declared: “I affirm the statement on the family issued by the 1998 Southern Baptist Convention.” What was in the family statement from the SBC? “A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ.”

The ad wasn’t just a blanket, “we support the SBC statement,” but rather highlighted details. The ad Huckabee signed specifically said of the SBC family statement: “You are right because you called wives to graciously submit to their husband’s sacrificial leadership.”

Add “graciously submit” to his “Take back the nation for Christ” statement, and if the media does its job, he’s well on his way to being toast.

It doesn’t really work for me.. And frankly, my husband wouldn’t have a lot of respect for me if I suddenly turned into his submissive doormat.. I don’t see Huckabee getting the womens’ vote.

78 thoughts on “Huckabee seems to feel women need to submit to their husbands..

  1. It’s my goal to be a perfect Proverbs 31 woman.

    Heh. Yeah right…

    Want a laugh? Click on the link to “Fascinating Womanhood” and click on the link at the bottom of the page for the site owners responses. Hilarious!

  2. I would really love to live in Mike’s fantasy land, unfortunately, my spouse has a slightly different opinion.

  3. I love this one:

    “Never complain if he does not take you out to dinner or to other places of entertainment.”

    Right, he’s taking his girlfriend to those places…he’s tired!

  4. LOL..Like the second version better…BTW, my last excursion of jumping the broom was not the least bit similar….The groom quickly decided he was to valuable to work but it was O.K. for the bride ( that would be me) to hold down 3 $5.00 a hour job’s….He prefered golf and fixing dinner….If I wanted to go out to dinner or anything else my friend’s went along….That little excursion lasted 18 year’s……..I am so happy to be single and the house keeping staff for one Bear and 2 cat’s….Blessings

  5. First thing, great post, Muse.

    My mother would have loved Huckabee. The message that I always received from my mother was “Your husband comes first, then the children, and then yourself”. This philosophy never worked for me, maybe because I was the youngest of three and the older two were boys. It was sad for my mother because she was one of the most intelligent women that I ever knew and she had the voice of an angel and she could never rise above waiting on my father.

    Another point that I would like to share is that when I graduated High School, I went to work in a bank. As part of the orientation, the new female employees had to attend a “charm school” workshop. It was embarrassing to say the least. At that time, women could not become officers (president, vice president) in the bank. We were expected to serve coffee to our bosses in the morning.

    We have come a long way and we still have a long way to go.

  6. Hey dbadass – Breezy wants to know the name of his “fan club” member and that would be YOU.

  7. The scene: 1955. Bar. A man and a woman are standing next to each other.

    Man: “Have I met you before?”

    Woman:”Buy me a drink and you’ll find out.”

    New scene: 2005. Bar. A man and a woman are standing next to each other.

    Man: “Have I met you somewhere before?”

    Woman:”Yeah. You’re the same sexist creep I met here in 1955!”


  8. Coffins, I can remember so many times my mom saying something to the effect “you better make things nice for when he comes home so he doesn’t look elsewhere..”. Basically the message was make him want to come home so he doesnt take a girlfriend or leave you for somebody more fun.

    She doesn’t say those kinds of things any more. I never listened anyways..
    We have a great relationship built on trust and mutual respect/admiration and shared work/responsibilities. I think that’s the way it needs to be.

  9. Scene: Laundry Room. A young child standing on a chair, next to her mother, who is doing wash.

    Caption: Reconsidering a career possibility.

    Young girl: “You mean you don’t get paid for this?

  10. I’d like to hear from the good men we have on the Zoo.

    Wouldn’t a Huckabee woman be completely boring in a fast hurry?

  11. I had that kind of mother. Everything had to be perfect for her husband. However her kids came way after everything was perfect for dad. And my dad had a heart condition but never complained about anything and was delightful. If I had a nickel for every time my mother said we had to be quiet because my dad was “sick” I’d be rich. In fact my father would probably have been happier if everything didn’t have to be so perfect and we could have had more fun.

  12. My mother to this day when I tell her I’m doing something will ask me what my husband thinks about it in that way, you know what I mean.

  13. Wow.
    That’s a 50’s woman, alright.
    Can’t say I grew up with anything remotely close to that. It was more like the cold war @ my house.

  14. When I lived in Louisiana, a furniture salesman actually would not sell me a bed, because he wasn’t sure it was ok with my husband.

    I could not believe it. I told my then-husband about it, and we went back to the store the next day. I thought he was going to give the salesman hell, but he walked up to the guy and said, “It’s ok, wrap it up.”

    I should have left him right then.

    The goal: To make your home his castle, every whim his reality, and to continue to do this until the rich food finally does its job and sets you free.


    And yes Zooey, this would make for a very boring women to be with. I want my girl to have her own opinion and not spend all of her time trying to pretend that we live at Disneyland.

    Life is a roller coaster. Do I want to ride on the roller coaster with my grandma or a wild women who will have fun not because I am having fun, but because she is having fun.

    My girl cooks me some of the best food around and is a huge football fan at the same time. It is possible for a girl to be outspoken and quiet. In your face and submissive (that is really fun).

    And I only use the term “girl” because I know how you guys hate B-days. πŸ™‚

  16. Heh. Yeah, I remember valium in the house when I was growing up. “Mother’s little helper.”

    Go Spudge!! Women (we girls) are multi-faceted and interesting people, not fucking robot drones.

    Any man who really thinks he’d like a robot drone is overcompensating for something…

  17. Last one, I promise.

    Scene: A graveyard. Headstone of Mrs. Bomblatt. It reads, “She was a Devoted Laundress.”

    Caption: Mrs Bomblatt suddenly realizes she has spent her entire life cooking and cleaning for other people.

    Thought bubble from grave: “Shit.”

  18. Any man who really thinks he’d like a robot drone is overcompensating for something…

    Any man that is scared to allow their women to be herself is a wuss that is scared of his own shadow.

    Of course these are the same chicken hawks that support a war, but won’t join up and fight it.

    I wonder what it is like to be so afraid of everything.

  19. Dr.’s visit? No way.
    6 kids in 7 years. Poor woman was lucky to get our names straight. Before Pampers was around.

  20. The pampers comment was supposed to be after the kid comment. Thought I cut and paste, but evidently not.

    My excuse:
    Picking out a Christmas card to send to the Zoo-ster.

  21. The fundies always work this one like crazy, explaining that “submitting” to her husband isn’t really the same as giving up her autonomy. None of those explanations make a lick of sense, though, given the language and we’ve certainly all experienced families in which the wife is utterly subservient to the husband, whether or not he’s actively abusing her–and this is the ideal relationship they’re referring to, even though they like to sugarcoat it.

  22. I will weigh in with my ——— views on the question “Should a woman ‘graciously submit’ to her husband.” My answer is an unequivocal “YES, if she wants to.” Look at the question from a reporter’s point of view:

    Who: Husband and Wife or any reasonable facsimile thereof.

    What: Wife should submit (discussed later).

    Where: Anywhere she wants.*

    When: Any time she wants.*

    Why: Because she wants to.*

    How: Anyhow she wants.*

    * Her “wants” may be changed but by seduction or logic only, not by demand, force, or coercion. Bribery is usually acceptable so long as it involves jewelry, flowers, or candy.

    Back to “What”: My dictionary lists at least eight (8) different choices. The method of submission is up to the wife. (See * above).

    The key: before marriage they were two separate INDIVIDUALS; after marriage they are two joined INDIVIDUALS. Neither one owns the other.

  23. Oh Clyde – you always have a new way of looking at things. That’s great. You make a wonderful team member. I say “Clyde, the Thinker”.

  24. Ralph the Wonder Llama is clever. Should we invite him to join us here at the Zoo? Or are we all “strays”?

  25. Coffins,

    I try to keep the “blog whoring” to a minimum on TP. I don’t know if you have the Zoo linked to your name on TP, but you could do that. It’s more subtle. πŸ™‚

  26. Coffins,

    Please submit and go look at my answer to your comment on the “MORE” post. And thanks again.

    A man who is bald in the back is sexy.

    A man who is bald in the front is a thinker.

    The man who is bald all over just thinks he is sexy.

    And my answer above would be the same if it were the man that was to be submissive. However, Granny will kill me if she ever finds out.

  27. Clyde – I read your response on your post. Great minds think alike πŸ™‚ So are you bald in the front, back or all over? And I won’t tell Granny.

  28. When Granny and I moved to Arizona we agreed that we had made our last move. I have always dreamed of having a tall flag pole from which to fly our Nation’s flag. I have that flag pole and I have the flag but as long as bushco is in power I will not fly the flag. Come January 20, 2009 there will be one helluva flag raising ceremony in Fort Mojave, Arizona. “Cats” you will appreciate this. And, By God, By Allah, By Buddha, or By One of your choosing, I will damn sure last that long.

  29. So single Muslim women under age 45 cannot fulfill one of the requirements of their religion.

    I’m logging off. Sore shoulder from spending too much time at the computer and not enough time with my husband. Nytal.

  30. Clyde – I hope we all last that long.

    Sweet dreams everyone. Quick recovery to Zooey and Jane. Just keep rubbing those toes.

  31. Thanks, Coffins! I went to the doctor today, turns out it’s a sinus infection. So I’ve got antibiotics, I’m sipping my Chivas laced with honey and lemon, and I hope to get in to work tomorrow.

  32. Wayne and I were discussing earlier how the Catholic church (it’s the only religion that I know anything about) has, from its inception, done everything possible to keep women “in their place.” Blaming us basically for all of the ills of the world. Damn, Jebus had to take human form just to save us all from Eve’s “original sin.” I apologize to any of our Christian friends (anyone seen PLC lately?), but that’s just a big steaming pile of horseshit.

  33. I’m not Christian, technically, but doesn’t the Catholic church give more respect to Mary than most church’s. Everything else they’ve added was just sales promotion to get people in and keep them in the church. But at least they gave Mary her props.

    Also, my father’s mother had 12 kids and she was Jewish. She was also the person who started and ran the family business, a soda pop/bootlegging business. I guess it’s hard to remember that before birth control if you were really fertile and normally sexually active you had lots of kids.

    I have a friend who was married to a devout catholic who had 4 kids in 4 years and had to leave him because he wouldn’t even use condoms. Later she got pregnant on the pill. Some people are really fertile.

  34. It’s this kind of thinking that has led me to believe that organized religion has been more regressive than progressive, and has held humanity back from its potential. The major organized religions (there may be exceptions among the “minor” ones) want people to live in the past, to hold on to the “values” that have led to wars, ethnic cleansing, and domestic violence.

    “Treat other people the way you would like other people to treat you” is about the only worthwhile message to come from the “mouth” of organized religion, and even that wasn’t original. It was just common sense, and I’m positive that this creed is what has contributed the most to humanity.

  35. You’re right, Shayne, but I think it’s only ’cause of the so-called “virgin birth” stuff, plus it fit in with what so many other prior religions had believed. Who knows, maybe the early Christians felt that they needed a “draw” for the “Mother Nature” loving crowd. There were certainly enough goddesses in the Roman and Greek pantheons that had their own followers.

    And, speaking of large families: I went to a Catholic high school (and Catholic grammar school, and one year of college at Elizabeth Seton–yes, I was raised by nuns), and I knew two girls in my class who were part of 12- and 13-children families. It must have taken their parents a lot to pay for all of those Catholic-school educations.

  36. I took the mathematician’s approach: I reduced the problem to one that has already been solved. I copied the video link from the draft for Friday night’s videos and inserted the link to the video I wanted. It seems to have worked. πŸ™‚

    Maybe I can find some of the other songs from “Tommy” and do a few of those, too.

  37. Shayne,

    Two wives, one at a time. The first one died of breast cancer she didn’t get treated because she was pregnant.

    Stupid, huh? Sacrifices herself to have her fifteenth child, and then leaves them motherless.

    The husband was remarried within the year. She had one child for him, that I know of.

  38. “Jane, Wayne’s in Pull-Ups!”

    Shayne, all I can say is: he doesn’t wear them to bed. πŸ˜‰

    And speaking of bed, I have to go take some meds so I can go back to work tomorrow. Zooey, I hope you’re feeling better!

  39. I do feel better Jane, thanks. I’m glad you’re feeling better, too.

    I’m working up a cough that will be totally annoying in the math final tomorrow night. πŸ˜€

  40. One wife at a time, who can be sure with mormons. I watch Big Love on HBO and it points out how they hide their polygamy. I don’t trust them.

    Jane, I’m having way too many visions of Wayne right now. With/without, it’s just not proper.

  41. Yeah, I have that cough, too. I’ll be such a joy answering phones tomorrow. Our customers will get to hear me hacking my lungs, and who knows what else, out. Oh, well, at least it’s not pneumonia again. And I got the chance to chat with my doctor, who firmly believes that I am one of her most intelligent patients, even when I don’t exactly follow all of her recommendations. πŸ˜‰ She’s seen me through so many trying times, and I’m lucky that I’ve been able to keep her as my doctor for nearly 20 years now.

    Goodnight, all!

  42. Goodnight, Jane. I’m glad it’s not pneumonia!


    These Mormons were standard issue, nothing weird — other than being Mormons.

  43. I know he’s creepy. The only candidate of theirs that I think has a chance is McCain, but what do I know.

  44. It makes me sick that the Repubs could run such complete idiots for PRESIDENT!! I guess it worked out pretty well for them with the Chimp.

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