The Watering Hole: November 25 – Extinction and Global Warming

This is our open thread. Please feel free to offer your own comments on any topic.

Today, we are faced by the possible disappearance of at least 5% of animal species on Earth before our children die and 10-15% more before our great-great grandchildren take over the world (This assumes the age grouping from 30-70, average age 50.)  This will affect all lifeforms from bacteria to human beings.

What is happening is that land organisms will run out of land as seas rise. Entire island based environments will simply disappear. Organisms that rely on a specific temperature range to survive will have to establish new ranges. Those that live near the poles will have no place to go as warmer temperatures create an uninhabitable  environment with no available alternative.

One of the starkest images is that of Mount Killmanjaro. Here it is in 2008:

Today, it is far worse, most of the ice field to the left is entirely gone. I could not find images without copyrights.

In 1950, it was a snow covered mountain at the same time of the year the image above was taken.  When Hemingway wrote his epic novel, it was a land of ice and snow. Now, it is the rock slides that occur as the ice glue that kept them in their place disappears.

What organisms that inhabited this mountain will either lose their niche or have lost it.

Those, below, who depended on the spring melts are also feeling the pinch.

And, by the way, nations are meeting in Denmark in order to discuss the problem. We are confined to a single planet. Mountain, planet – it is all a matter of scale.  Those people orbiting in the ISS can not survive without support from the surface. In truth, we are all in the same boat.

10 thoughts on “The Watering Hole: November 25 – Extinction and Global Warming

  1. We may be headed for a long term eco-crash.
    In two hundred years, those who survive may revert back to the lifestyle of the native peoples, living off the land, in balance.
    In the crash that arrives at that balance billions of humans will die.

  2. From the Hospital to Bankruptcy Court

    NASHVILLE — Some of the debtors sitting forlornly in this city’s old stone bankruptcy court have lost a job or gotten divorced. Others have been summoned to face their creditors because they spent mindlessly beyond their means. But all too often these days, they are there merely because they, or their children, got sick.

    And it didn’t help these people that bankruptcy laws were made considerably more strict in 2005 when the Republicans passed the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act.

    In the campaign to broaden support for the overhaul of American health care, few arguments have packed as much rhetorical punch as the there-but-for-the-grace-of-God notion that average families, through no fault of their own, are going bankrupt because of medical debt.

    So as the article implies, Chapter 7 has become the health insurance of last resort, that is, if you can qualify for it. The alternative is Chapter 13, which requires the indebted to pay a larger portion of their obligations, for up to five years.

    I have yet to see a quote from any public official stating that either the House bill or the Senate bill is going to end medical bankruptcies. I’m skeptical that the final version will achieve any improvement to what we have now.

  3. But it’s all a con – that lad in Norwich was fudging the numbers so we could have one-world-government.

    /Glenn Beck off

    George Monbiot had a good op-ed on the GW-is-a-hoax emails.

    “Gentlemen, the culmination of our great plan approaches fast. What the Master called “the ordering of men’s affairs by a transcendent world state, ordained by God and answerable to no man”, which we now know as Communist World Government, advances towards its climax at Copenhagen”

  4. The bankruptcy laws were changed not that long ago house. In the old days you could file against a hospital without having to liquidate all your assets.


    The Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005 (BAPCPA) (Pub.L. 109-8, 119 Stat. 23, enacted April 20, 2005), was a law enacting several significant changes to the U.S. Bankruptcy Code. It was passed by the 109th United States Congress on April 14, 2005 and signed into law by President George W. Bush on April 20, 2005.

    The Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act (BAPCPA) made sweeping changes to American bankruptcy laws, affecting both consumer and business bankruptcies. Many of the bill’s provisions were explicitly designed by the bill’s Congressional sponsors to make it “more difficult for people to file for bankruptcy”.[1] Although the BAPCPA was intended to make it more difficult for debtors to file a Chapter 7 Bankruptcy—under which most debts are forgiven (or discharged)–and instead force debtors to file a Chapter 13 Bankruptcy—under which debts are discharged only after the debtor has repaid some portion of these debts. Approximately 85% of debtors are not subject to its “means test” and a large percentage of the rest are able to “pass” the means test.

  5. Insider Trading On Steroids

    The CEOs of Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers, the two investment banks that collapsed during last year’s financial meltdown, walked away with hundreds of millions of dollars in compensation even as the company’s shareholders lost everything, says a new report from Harvard Law School.

    The remarks in the comments section say it all!

  6. Shayne,
    Are you agreeing with me, or disputing me?
    I mentioned the BAPCPA in my comment, asserting that it has made it harder to completely discharge debts, because a Chapter 7 applicant has to just about be destitute to qualify. That was the gist of that ad on TV where the old guy is packing up the boxes and moving them to the empty apartment, then visiting his sick wife in the hospital.
    We consulted an attorney during that time, and were told if we were hoping to file Chapter 7, we would have to beat the new law taking effect, because we wouldn’t qualify under the new rules.

  7. Oh I’m agreeing house. Sorry I was gone picking up my ham and turkey. And I didn’t read your link or comments as clearly as I should have. Really I was interested in what year laws changed. That’s why I looked up the link.

  8. The present state of our bankruptcy system is only a small step away from the concept of indentured service. From there can debtors prisons be far away?

  9. Shayne,

    We are all running errands. I left to do mine right after I made the 8:35am comment. I won’t be able to do them on Friday, even if some places were to be open. I have a football game at 1:30, that day. Anything not done now, must wait for Monday.

    The bankruptcy changes really made me angry, because the poorer a person was, the harsher the conditions of their plan. But a wealthy person could discharge debt and still keep a second house, like a lake cottage. There were other egregious inequities, but I forget the details.

    What’s really bad, is the business bankruptcy laws make it too easy to run at maximum debt, keeping all the cash in the owner’s pocket, then dump all the debt on one day, and open up under a new name the next, with the same equipment and employees, as though nothing has happened. I know a guy who owns all his equipment, his building and land, and leases it to the corporate entity known as HIS business. Yet in a lawsuit or bankruptcy it’s untouchable, because the corporation doesn’t own it.

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