Imagine our nation becoming less dependent on foreign oil. Isn’t that the driving force of the “drill, baby drill” crowd?
State Representative (D-PA) Dave Kessler brings alternative fuel initiative to Pennsylvania which that could wean the State and the Nation off of foreign oil and create permanent jobs. Read more about this innovation here.
Speak Up!
Cats, thank you so much for posting this ~ Dave Kessler is a fine public servant, whom I have had numerous discussions about sustainable agriculture and renewable energy with … He “gets it” on a scale that most barely comprehend, as is a driving force for change in this regard. Check out the link and share with others … And have a nice day 🙂
“and is” … Where’s my iced hammerhead?!
Thanks for stopping by, Lass and a good morning to you.
Good Morning, Cats ~ Crisp NE breeze here in sunny PA … Coming into the shop today?
Good Morning, Neighbors to my West. Nice cool, crisp morning in New York, too. 🙂
(I’m at work, so I probably shouldn’t say much.)
Ok, Wayne … We’ll keep it on the downlow, the QT … 8)
Sharron Angle has two heads. One head speaks what she really believes which pleases her Tea Party followers and the other just talks bullshit.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#38009224
Lass – no, I wasn’t planning on it.
I feel like posing a question I threw in at the end of yesterday’s Watering hole.
Why does anyone seriously believe that nuking the leaking oil well in the Gulf of Mexico is, in any way, shape or form, a good idea? I’m no expert, but does anybody really understand fully what will happen if they do that? Detonate a nuclear weapon in the Gulf of Mexico? And I’m not talking about the political ramifications of violating international treaties regarding the use of nuclear weapons, I’m talking about the scientific ramifications of setting off a nuke in an ecosystem like the Gulf. Why is this a good idea? Because it doesn’t strike me as being one.
(We can save for later a discussion on why anyone thinks nuclear weapons are a good idea at all.)
Wayne – nuking the oil spill is stupid and anyone that supports such a stupid idea should be sent to the psych ward. Nuclear weapons will produce more long lasting lethal by-products then the oil.
Got to go do my gardening before the sun reaches my westward facing property. Later.
This ad during Morning Joe for GMC Trucks shows a pickup truck engine being disassembled to ‘illustrate’ how it gets its power. What I noticed as the piston/rod assemblies fly out of their bores, is that the rod end caps are still bolted to the rods. Apparently the CG artist who created the commercial never took apart or reassembled an engine. I know that’s being picky, but I thought it was funny.
I would think the results of nuking the well are too unpredictable to make this a good idea, and at this stage would likely damage the well to the point where the standard procedure of sealing the well with mud via the relief well would be rendered impossible. But what do I know? I’m a farmer.
OutstandingInMyField, farmers are some of the most genuine and intelligent people that I know . . . This would also be easily evidenced to anyone reading your previous post today, as well . . .
Sounds like a great project, but where the fuck are my solar shingles we need to put on every goddamned roof in America?
I think the nuke would be better spend on BP HQ.
Good Morning Youngsters,…Happy hump day..
Agree with you on the nuke thing,Wayne…Anyone thinking of doing that is just plane crazy…Not only would that wreck havock on the enviroment and wild life the drift would endanger all resident’s and could cause a shift in the shelf plates which would likely cause a bigger oil spill lasting forever..That may happen anyway but to nuke it would remove all doubt.
Cold and rainy again yesterday and this morning, seems like November here…Guess I should plan to get a turkey to bake..
Busy cleaning, sorting and in general trying to get moved out…Ugh!..Happy posting all, will fly over again on another day..P,B. & J.
Angle on Rachel : “Salvation of Social Security …” I could barely listen to her drivel . . .
I would concur, Cats. She has two “rr”‘s . . . and she defintely has two heads!
And RUCerious, your PV shingles are on back order and coming on the slow boat from China 😉
That video where Boehner was complaining about how the Democrats were trying to kill an ant with a nuclear weapon? I swear Boehner looked drunk to me. Was that interview after 5 PM? Because that would make sense now.
Wayne, Boehner often seem to have a snoot full in the afternoon. I had a boss at an ad agency that took two hour martini lunches and did nothing the rest of the afternoon. My guess is Boehner does the same.
Also, using any kind of bomb seem risky since it could cause damage that can’t be contained. Nuclear fallout is just icing on the cake.
Cats, Angle seems a lot like Sarah Palin without the high priced advisers. She appears to be not very bright with just a touch of psychosis confusing her even more.
lass o, you really know how to twist the embedded shiv, eh?
Apparently, 80% of women “fake it.”
If I remember correctly, I don’t. 😉
Two of the office phone lines are down — sweet!!!
zxbe, sorry about the job hate. I’ve been there. 😦
Good morning.
/rant on
I hate my job.
/rant off
I feel better. Good morning again. 🙂
Well, Zooey, there’s one way to find out. 🙂
Wayne, I hope there’s nothing to the old adage, “Use it or lose it.” 😀
What is 80% of 62.5?
50. Why do you ask?
Tonight is the first time I will have worked in two weeks. Maybe I will call in sick….
You unplugged the jacks didn’t you Zooey?
db, would I do that? 😉
They’re working again, dammit.
Zooey, you minx!
Oh no! Late for my 12:00 – Gotta go … Later all!
“Aint’ nothing like the real thing!”
Now that’s a 20% I’m pleased to be among!
Second pipe may have crippled BP well’s defense mechanism
I heard something to this effect a month ago or more, but this is the first I’ve seen it in print.
Well, Zooey, there’s one way to find out. 🙂
Wow, I ahd something serious to say and then the thread went all cesspool on me. Wait til Saturday or get a room, preferably one with lots of wall sockets by the looks of it…
Oh yes seriously:
This ‘get off foreign oil’ thing is a total red herring it’s a talking point to get the oil companies more access to local federal lands, to push this oil shale natural gas bullshit, open up ANWR, the east coast the west coast and provide a ‘causus belli’ to annex Alberta. Oh and it allows the oxymoronic ‘clean’ coal a look in on the party.
*All* is foreign once you dig it up, the *market* owns it, not you, not Uncle Sam, *the market*, the highest bidder. By saying ‘get off *foriegn* oil’ we’re signing on to the talking point that if we just looked local and let the *market* find the energy we could fix it all and continue Happy Motoring around the freeways stopping off for burgers and fries whenever. Well the *market* is pissing black shit all over the Gulf of Mexico right now – that’s what the *market* does when you hand over the keys to your energy future.
Get off fossil fuels – end of story. Force the government to force the change. As the saying goes, the Stone Age didn’t end because we ran out of stones, no, the people with the stone axes got wiped out by the ones with iron spears!
whoah…. that’s better /rant off
Zooey – OMG – that is too funny. I won’t share my reaction 🙂
That’s right HoR, a couple of camera watchers over at the ToD spotted that when they cut off the riser. I’d been over the log of the last two hours of the Halliburton data downhole and the whole drill string was being lifted out of the hole by the pressure of the gas coming up the well, the well in other words was puking up 3 mile long lump of steel pipe in slow motion.
TtT – I’m OK with what Dave is doing with the algae because the coal fired plants are already here and the algae is a way to minimize the pollution from the coal. I do agree that we need more wind and solar and other non-fossil sources of energy. The purpose of the algae is to create fuel for planes, cars, trucks etc… Unless the world does a complete turn around, people won’t be giving up cars or their cell phones or their Internet connections or their computers so we need to keep moving in a more positive direction and to hell with big oil and big gas.
This was good – on the Think Fast thread – way to go House.
What a great suggestion! Then the trolls can do the ‘victory dance’ at what an honor it is to have such ‘stingers’!
This, just in from Captain Obvious:
The United States consumes 20% of the worlds oil with 3% of the population and has only 2% of the known reserves of oil left.
Here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_the_United_States
and here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves
Look, I’m a realist, sometime in the future the caribou will get f***ed in our need to get the black stuff. Its because we use the oil for all kinds of stuff: pharamceuticals, plastics etc and without oil that stuff goes away right now. But to stick 60-70% of the stuff into our bloody SUVs so we can drive to the f***ing outlet malls every weekend….. well that’s one that whoever comes after us will ask ‘What the f*** were they thinking?’
/rant still going.
Cats, I saw the Pentagon’s comment about the litium find in Afghanistan – “used in cell phone batteries”….. woo hoo, now we can continue Tweeting how good our last dump was from the bathroom to our friends… we’re saved!
TtT, great rant – and so damn true, all of what you’ve said – especially about the ‘foreign’ vs. ‘domestic’ attempting to give the oomph to ‘drill baby drill’ on any and all US surfaces.
That is the mantra we must follow through on.
From HoR’s link…
The other key to minimizing the risks of a similar blowout is economic. For example, Beck said requiring a concurrent relief well with every project could drain any profit from drilling. Smith, along with a chorus of public officials on the Gulf Coast, warns that Salazar’s six-month moratorium could drive the exploration industry out of the gulf permanently.
Nah, those bastards are way too greedy to abandon drilling in the Gulf.
So I heard on the radio this morning, but haven’t been able to verify it, that one of the reasons BP hasn’t sealed the well permanently is due to lease restrictions that wouldn’t allow them to come back and reopen the well for drilling later.
Anyone else hear this? Any truth to this?
Good moning!
I heard about the algae project (or something similar) a while back. It certainly sounds like a good idea to help wean us off fossil fuels until the next big thing comes along (TtT’s iron spears, perhaps). The fact that it can also make the coal plants run cleaner is a huge plus as well.
LOL, Zooey. That was hilarious. I still love that Meg Ryan scene, where she makes it so evident exactly how easy it is (not that I do it, of course :p ).
“I’ll have what she’s having.”
LOL…I meant ‘morning’, of course. Though given some of the discussion here today, ‘good moaning’ might be appropriate as well. :p
I like good moaning. Especially when it’s my fault. 😉
Cats,
I can understand that they are losing money if they are idle and could be drilling. The six month time frame would have resulted in moving the exploration ships/platforms to other parts of the world, just to keep them working. After seeing the map the other night on Rachel, showing the 3600 producing wells and only 33 drillsites, I felt a lot better about letting them move somewhere else.
At the end of the article, is the clincher, to move to the equivalent of Norway’s regulations would only cost a half cent a gallon.
Zxbe,
See my comment on yesterday’s open thread, from this morning.
House, thanks. That’s the gist of what I had heard. Time will tell if it’s true. But if it is, there will be hell to pay.
Zxbe, what show was that on?
It was either Bill Press or Stephanie Miller this morning (Hal Sparks filling in for Steph). I wasn’t listening all that closely and it seemed like they were making the comment in passing, and didn’t really dwell upon it. It was essentially the comment you referenced from Thom’s show (which may be where they got it as well).
Sorry I’m not terribly clear on the source, which is one the reasons I brought it up here to make sure I wasn’t imagining it.
Cats, that’s like the crack pusher saying he’ll quit town if you dare go into rehab for a week.
I listened to Bill Press today myself, but also not that closely, and I listen to Carl and Christine at KPOJ instead of Stephanie Miller.
TtT – 😆
HoR – are you back working?
2ebb,
I’m wondering if the next time we really get troll-spammed at TP, if it would attract Faiz’s attention if a bunch of us were to post repeated comments of just that sentence.
This comment has been voted down. Click to read.
Reckon what kind of response a thread with about a hundred of those would get?
I did notice that one of the commercial spammers disappeared this morning. I haven’t checked for it on later threads yet.
Looks like Zoo and Wayne ‘got a room’
Cats, not yet, I’m still trying to get my money out of my mom’s house.
Everytime a woman makes a noise I count it. Ouch and Get off my hair counts as multiples…
“The rough seas and winds aren’t all bad, though — scientists have said they could help break apart the oil and make it evaporate faster.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100630/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill
But weren’t they just yesterday discrediting the notion of oil rain, saying the oil wasn’t evaporating?
Quite the optimist, db . . . 😉
BnF, breaking up the tar balls floating about will liberate the remaining light ends in the tar and they’ll evaporate into the atmosphere. They won’t come back down as rain though they’ll head to the upper reaches of the atmoshpere and help make next summer a real doozy (and the next, and the next… and you thought the good news could never end eh?).
There was a spill off the Shetland Islands a number of years ago where the wave action of the North Atlantic made the oil break up quicker and the spill impact was not as bad as feared on the shores.
G’day everyone. Back in the office and in checking my email found there are politicians in Wisconsin who are pushing to allow drilling for oil in Lake Michigan and Superior.
Now that one is truly stupid.
Right-wing hate speech, portrayed as Jesus saying it.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/30/tea-party-jesus-blog-puts_n_630753.html
80% ? Since 100% of men can’t ‘fake’ it, just who is getting the short end of that one?
Well, men can pee standing up. So there.
Hooda, I wasn’t going to say that….. but you know I was thinking it.
Depends on how long ‘it’ is.
(ducking for cover)
You tell ’em, Zooey 😉
Ahhh, now the other fibs are unveiled…size does matter.
And women can so pee standing up, they just have crappy penmanship when it comes to writing things in the snow. 🙂
Only men can pee effectively standing up. 😛
Zooey, I don’t mind men who pee standing up. I do mind, however, their crappy marksmanship.
Oh, it’s 11 p.m. Puschel muss schlafen. I’m running on my last energy resources. Better go to bed. Good Night All. I’ll be back tomorrow.
Welcome to my world, EV. 😉
Goodnight & sweet dreams.
I like the quote from My Big Fat Greek Wedding, where Maria says, “The man may be the head of the house, but the woman is the neck.”
Can’t fake an orgasm…check
Pee effectively standing up…check.
No wonder men run the world. Look at their advantages!
zxbe – Nice link! That Ann Coulter “Jesus” has a hot smile 🙂
Did he just say “men run the world”? Oh, hell no!
night, EV.
Given how secretive everyone has been on the geological reports, I would think nuclear weapons, or even large conventional ones would be a “bad idea” to “fix” the leak.
That and “fixing” a hole by blasting it bigger just seems counter-intuitive.
I know I am late to the party, but I am just rolling out of bed after a lot of late night emergency work.
glamour,
Are you a loan shark, mugger, doctor, or a nurse? 😉
None of the above.
glamour, can I borrow $500? 😀
I think we need to have a “getting to know you” open thread one of these days, so we can learn about our new Zoosters. 🙂
“Given how secretive everyone has been on the geological reports, I would think nuclear weapons, or even large conventional ones would be a “bad idea” to “fix” the leak.”
My sentiments exactly. Thanks for expressing it so well!
It’s the secrecy – and the ‘news’ in dribs and drabs a month or more later that is also troublesome.
I dunno, I’ve been learning a *bit* too much today….;)
Hee…enjoyed all this talk of markmanship (or lack thereof). 😛 Too funny.
Ans xzbe, that Jesus link was priceless. Gotta agree about the Ann Coulter one. 🙂
Oh, and agree with glamour about the nuke. From everything I’ve heard, the rock is already pretty fractured. It seems like fracturing it even more would be a great way to end up with about a million cracks in the seafloor all spewing oil. Not to mention the after effects of setting off a nuke in the middle of the Gulf!
I give up. I won’t post this on TP, but I just can’t handle it anymore.
Thread opens up. Mud slung from both sides, but mostly from conservatives who take every small complaint from talking points and hope that something is a “stinger”.
It’s gotten me to the point that I log on in the morning, vote down, vote down, vote down, and do little else. It’s starting to affect my job searches, as well.
I can’t take this any longer. TP, good bye. For good. I don’t freaking care any more about who is there, what they say, or how they say it. There’s just no pleasing some people, and there’s no shutting them up either.
Breathe in the fresh air, Purple State – you are in the Zoo – a comfort spot (you can actually walk around bare foot without worrying about stepping in troll excrement!
It’s not as much that, 2ebb. It’s the constant panic that they are shoving at me. This nonstop, never-ending panic that the U.S. is going to hell just because of one man.
I’m sick of it. If this is what bipartisan diplomacy leads to, I don’t want a taste.
Purple State, let the Zoo help take away the stress…
A sort of Zen question…if we detonate a nuke and no people of color get blown up, to neocon chickenhawks still have an orgasm?
Purple State, good to see you. And look at it this way, it could be worse for them. He could be a lesbian.
Oh wait, he’s living with a woman! Jeebus, I’m surprised the trolls have picked up on that one yet.
If there were true ‘bipartisan’ politics there would be some diplomacy – of course there isn’t so, as you succinctly put it, the “nonstop, never-ending panic…” ensues.
That one man, the President no less, causes such consternation among the repiggies means we do live in a very shallow society. Non-thinkers who oppose everything on the basis it is ‘that man’ who proposes good for the country.
Sometimes you just have to step away from the inanity of it all.
Sorry, guys. It’s just the self-inflicted panic that my employment searches haven’t been fruitful lately, and having a mosquito LOL! in my ear over at TP over and over again isn’t helping calm me down.
Cenk Uygur is subbing for Dylan Ratigan on July 6th and 7th! That’s next Tuesday and Wednesday.
Purple State, kidding aside, it is absolutely amazing that the supposedly most powerful and advanced country in the world today is run on fear.
Good luck with your job search. You aren’t alone and the Zoo has both great mosquito netting and a vast supply of Skin-So-Soft.
Whoops, Australia is going to hell… Pm Julia is an atheist ….
…. nuke the bastards for Jesus Sake!
/rabid Christo-fascist foam wiped away
First the US elects a black man. Then Australia picks an atheist woman. What is God thinking? /snark (just in case)
Purple State – welcome to The Zoo. We have healers, too. Good luck with your job search.
I’ve never read/heard it phrased that way – converting to a non-belief.
Interesting.
Good on her about not going through the pretense. If only the US could come to that realization we’d be much better.
The hypocrisy is so damn annoying!
Hooda… god wasn’t thinking. He just shuffled his feet.
Cue the song, Cats…..
You are right about the healing, Cats. And purple is a very healing color at that!
Good evening to all – Heading out to listen to the coyotes !!
While putting my Spanish Rice hot dish in the oven to bake for supper I had an idea. Since the Rich and Religious have been running things for at least 1,500 years now, how about we give the Poor and the Secular a shot at it?
We could sell it to Faux, it’s Fair and Balanced.
Chris Hayes is subbing for Ed Schultz, and today’s text survey was: “Do you think Senator Scott Brown is trying to kill financial reform?” 97% Yes 3% No.
It was just his turn to be Lucy and pull away the football this week. All the Republicans have done is pretend to co-sponsor legislation, then bail at the last minute, having wasted the Democrats’ time. It’s all about wasting as much time as possible, hoping to make the Dems look bad for the midterms.
lass… are there coyotes in them there hills?
This is too funny!
Things Republicans Hate
An excerpt from #48 Silicon Valley:
A long those lines or ‘As the World Turns’ (in a more positive direction than the US)
The rise of ‘Dalit lit’ marks a new chapter for India’s untouchables
As caste divides fade, a fresh crop of writers is emerging
House, that was hilarious!
Of course Ask Jeeves is now just ‘Ask’ or some such silliness.
What do think of this
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_15405493
This woman’s been watching too many “Twilight” movies.
OMG, HoR, that was funny 😆
house, Dylan Ratigan makes my ass ache. I turn the tv off when he comes on. Maybe Cenk will get the job full time.
How could they not ‘suspect’ drugs? When someone relays fleeing a vampire…
2ebb… yep. The police were kind.
I’ve noted a long absence of ElBruce from TP.
linzloo08 (or whatever the nick was) has also been absent. bizzarobrain has been infrequent.
pete, scare as well.
When bizz, pete and Eugene are on TP, later in the evenings, there are some great conversations and the trolls disappear (completely out of their depth and no one will engage in the trivial crap).
Shayne,
Ratigan was on Hartmann the other day, giving the banksters hell, and he’s had a “Fixing Broken Government” series this week, that hasn’t been bad at all.
For me, he’s a lot better than Tweety!
oh, forgot that damn ‘c’ – s/b pete, scarCe as well.
Was at TP this evening. The trolls are strange. I refuse to acknowledge them.
I’m logging off for the evening. Catch you tomorrow. Have a good evening.
I don’t know house he’s a little to hyper but I’ll give it a try the rest of the week.
Good evening, all. Not feeling so hot this afternoon, so just lurking a little.
Well, he is hyper! I seldom watch him either, but it’s because of the time of day he’s on. I catch him on his website, just like Keith and Rachel, he has a page with his segments every day.
I love the news that the new PM is Australia is an atheist. But it won’t happen here in my lifetime.
Glad some of you enjoyed the Jesus link. Here’s the actual blog that it came from:
http://teapartyjesus.tumblr.com/
Sorry to hear you’re not feeling well Z. Feel better soon. Check the Tea Party Jesus link. It’ll make you laugh.
I thought the comment about not doing the rituals for the sake of the image was encouraging. Its odd that atheists are often asked/pressured to adhere to the rituals no matter what. Good on Julia for being true to her principles… maybe people should be looking at that as a measure of who she is…
Zooey, I hope you’re feeling better soon.
And thanks for clearing up that earlier mystery. 😉
What mystery is that, Wayne?
Good for Julia Gillard. An elected official in a secular government is not chosen to be a spiritual leader, but a good public servant, which includes people of all religions. I do not have a problem with an elected official actually practicing his or her religion, attending services at a place of worship, etc. But to do things like attend Easter services just because the head of state is supposed to be seen doing so is, as far as I’m concerned, not a proper expectation of our leaders.
Our US Presidents have usually been of some sort of Christian religious persuasion, but they always seemed to think that they had to be seen attending services at some other Christian denomination or even at a Temple. Why? If they are known to be Methodist, there’s nothing wrong with being seen only attending Methodist services. It’s what Methodists do. So there’s no reason at all to attend a Baptist service as some kind of “outreach”. Just be what you are. And if you’re not really religious, then be honest with the American people (who are less religious than polls suggest) and do what you did before you became president.
Gotta go. TDS is about to start. Good night, All.
The ones for which I said there was one way to find out. 😉
Heh. Okay. 🙂
On a sad note, Christopher Hitchens has esophageal cancer.
Wayne, Julia Gillard is not the head of state….. the Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is….(yes, wtf?). And as head of the Church of England, she has no choice but to lob for the big Sky Fairy events….
Other than that….. good on her… Wonder if we’ll see a vote for complete severance from Australia.
They have been twatted at cricket by England this summer, could be time…?
Maybe you’re pregnant Zooey. 🙂
Shayne, you just go ahead and dream the impossible dream. 😛
Did I mention that the first time I let my daughter practice driving with me she sideswiped my garbage cans and creased the side of the car all the way down. And you guys worry about boys missing the toilet when they pee. Pfffffttttt.
Git a room!
Christopher Hitchens, can’t say I agree with the man all the time and his new-found support for endless war, but I can admire his wit, writing, analysis and stand on religion in the face of hostility (thereby demonstrating that he doesn’t agree with them all the time either).
Well Christopher, fight the good fight, be well, keep writing and I doubt we’ll see you at Lourdes anytime soon.
Speaking of Lourdes… if there are miracles, how come we never see any wooden legs, or glass eyes on the wall outside the shrine?
Shayne, I put the seat back down afterwards…. how hot is that?
Smokin!
I’m willing to sit down when I realize I’m too sleepy to aim straight. Does that count for something?
Wayne – good for you. That’s a sign of high intelligence.
Received this link in an email and I found the results interesting.
http://sharedpurpose.net/cpvote/index.cfm
If a new Open Thread gets created, then I’ll do a re-post.
This is disturbing and I’m really pleased that Specter is forced to retire at the end of the year. He attacks Kagan stating that she doesn’t give substantive answers and yet he defended the womanizer Clarence Thomas and instead attacked Anita Hill.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/30/specter-gets-frustrated-w_n_630952.html