The Watering Hole: July 22- Storm Watch

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91 thoughts on “The Watering Hole: July 22- Storm Watch

  1. While I usually feel an adrenaline rush when I see/hear about storms, this would not be the case today … I can’t help but feel despair for the entire ecosystem in the Gulf.

    Oh, and Good Morning πŸ™‚

  2. Morning everyone!

    Lass, are you finally at your destination? Hope you’ve had a smooth trip. πŸ™‚

    I’m afraid this storm is only the first of many. It’s early in the season yet, and I fear that we could face a string of storms that will delay the final capping/killing of the well…not to mention spreading the oil that’s in the Gulf already far and wide. It’s sad. 😦

  3. Yes, silentpawz … “I’ve arrived!”. It was an intense adventure … Now, that I am at the Pacific Coast, it is now peaceful and “smooth” ~

    I do look forward to my return back East, but not to the stormy weather ahead 😦

  4. lass, glad you made it and had a great adventure.

    Hi all. I had a very interesting day yesterday. I was working on a customer job site and they were playing the local AM Hate radio station. It was interesting listening. I came away with a few conclusions and a very queasy stomach.

    One is these people are truly nuts. Even the local hosts were talking about how there is no media today, it is all just librul propaganda. This coming from media personalities.

    Two, Rush is really whacked. His entire program was a disjointed rant that focused on how great he is. (Even the commercial said ‘Listen to the master, Rush Limbaugh).

    And last, the media is presently engaged, and has been for some time, in an adaptation of the blitzkrieg. Rapid assaults at perceived weak points. Hit with a story, veracity not needed, then quickly move on to a new attack. The public has become trained to listen to the initial assault and ignore any follow up because there will always be something new and exciting to attract their attention.

  5. Hi lass,
    Welcome to the PNW.
    Cool weather today but it will get warm again by Sat.

  6. What goes around just keeps coming around until we find a way to break the cycle.

  7. A racially integrated community is a chronological term timed from the entrance of the first black family to the exit of the last white family.
    Saul Alinsky

    “The human spirit glows from that small inner light of doubt whether we are right, while those who believe with certainty that they possess the right are dark inside and darken the world outside with cruelty, pain, and injustice.”
    β€” Saul Alinsky (Rules for Radicals)

  8. I received an email from Alan Grayson’s office today. Very disturbing and sad he has received death threats for speaking out honestly. But he also posted a poem that I will pass along. Made me think of ebb.

    “Turning and turning in the widening gyre
    The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.”

    William Butler Yeats, “The Second Coming”

  9. Alan Grayson e-mails W. B. Yeats to his constituents? Cool! All I get from Cantor is propaganda.

  10. Outstanding, I’m not even a constituent. I got on his email list months ago because I like his style. This guy is what a member of Congress should be. Frankly, if he ran against Obama in 12, I’d vote for Grayson. Grayson/Franken would be a great ticket.

  11. Here’s what he wrote. (ok, it was probably a staffer )

    One day, a Republican operative offers $100 to anyone who’ll punch me in the nose.

    The next day, I get a death threat.

    After Fox News spewed its usual clownish hatred about me yesterday, my office received a call. The caller told our receptionist – a young intern – that “10 people are going to kill the Congressman within 24 hours.” We gave the information to the Capitol Police; they are investigating.

    Fox. You’d think that they would have learned their lesson after Dr. George Tiller was killed. And they did learn a lesson: a lesson in killing.

    And why? Because I told the truth: the truth that by stalling on unemployment insurance, right-wingers revealed themselves to be heartless, selfish wretches, who have been taking food out of the mouths of children.

    Am I the only one who has noticed this? Because if you’re with me on this, I’d like your support. I need your support.

    First threatened assault. Then threatened murder. Do you see how they ratchet up the bullying, and try to cow us?

    In his poem “The Second Coming,” the Irish poet William Butler Yeats described a time like ours as the “widening gyre.” A time when “the centre cannot hold.”

    A time when “anarchy is loosed upon the world.”

    A time when “the best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.” Up to, and including, death threats on Members of Congress.

    But we have to stand up, and we have to fight back. Because what is at stake is . . . everything.

    Please, support our campaign. Stand with me. Fight back.


    Congressman Alan Grayson

  12. Grayson/Franken would get my vote. Courage and Conviction beats Hope and Change.

  13. The guy that offered the $100 bounty for anyone who would punch Grayson in the nose, was Dan Gainor, a regular Conservative sparring partner of Thom Hartmann. Gainor made a typical backhanded apology-non-apology yesterday on the Hartmann show, which had Grayson on later. Thom played it for Grayson and he said Gainor didn’t apologize.

    Here it is from Thom’s Youtube channel.

  14. While I have a great deal of respect for President Obama and can appreciate his centrist stance, I fear he is heading into the same hole as Jimmy did.

    The Right has truly declared war and we need a warrior in charge these days. Not wanting to fight isn’t always an option, in fact, it is a luxury. Obama may have it in him but he hasn’t shown it yet.

  15. I received an email from Alan Grayson’s office today.

    Well, not that I am into one-upping people, but I think I can beat that. I got a phone call about an hour ago from my Congressman, John Hall. (I am at work, mind you, not home.) He noted that I contributed to his campaign in ’06 and asked if I could donate again. He said his likely opponent (the one leading in the Republican primary polls) is both a Tea Partier and the wife of a millionaire doctor who owns a medical group in Mount Kisco. She will be able to fund her own campaign, so he needs more help this year. (He must be desperate to call me at work.) I said I would try to donate something. After all, he did take the time to chat with me personally, and he is a good guy, and one of the leading supporters of the environment in Congress. But I was so surprised to get a call from him that I forgot to ask him about the Gulf and BP. Maybe if I skip making the payment tonight, he’ll call me back. πŸ™‚

  16. Being a curious one – questioning something that just doesn’t sound plausible.
    Curious to find out more on a subject that interests me. Curious to know what people think…or don’t think.
    I find it curious that many folk have no clue that the Moon also rises in the east and sets in the west. Yes, they do exist and are not curious enough to find out.
    Boggles my mind…

    Wandering downtown with binoculars looking for Peregrines – you’d think more people would be curious as to ‘What’s ya lookin’ at”? Not really – we read the quizzical looks and make them curious once a small dark smudge on a tall white building is pointed out and we give a little background of the Peregrines.
    Then looking through the binos – aha!- the questions come pouring out.

    Why are people so ‘afraid’ to ask, out of curiosity, or to satisfy a curiosity?
    I can’t answer that – because I always need to know…

    “Curiosity and irreverence go together. Curiosity cannot exist without the other. Curiosity asks, “Is this true?” “Just because this has always been the way, is the best or right way of life, the best or right religion, political or economic value, morality?” To the questioner, nothing is sacred. He detests dogma, defies any finite definition of morality, rebels against any repression of a free, open search of ideas no matter where they may lead. He is challenging, insulting, agitating, discrediting. He stirs unrest.”
    β€” Saul Alinsky (Rules for Radicals)

    • Ebb sez:
      Why are people so β€˜afraid’ to ask, out of curiosity, or to satisfy a curiosity?
      I can’t answer that – because I always need to know…

      Sad to say, I think a lot of people simply do not care about anything going on outside of themselves. It’s a cynical attitude, and IMHO contributes to the disorganization of our society. If you can’t care about anything outside your own little world, then things crumbling around you won’t have much impact — until things fall too close to home. Then they look around and say, “Whaaa…?”

      Exhibit A: teabaggers

  17. gummitch, that segue was beautiful – from

    Gary’s quotation from Yeat’s ‘The Second Coming’

    to a lobster giving sexual advice!

  18. It’s the title (The Second Coming) of the Yeats poem that is the ‘set up’ line for the lobster that gives sexual advice.

    (esoteric or just an erotic brain – not sure which)

  19. This is about unemployment benefits. I heard this on the radio just as a parked my car. If I had been driving, I probably would have crashed the vehicle. This comment came from a Harvard economist on Talk of the Nation. He was telling the host that workers should negotiate with their employers instead of being made redundant. His suggestion was this… “Instead of making the $50,000/yr salary, an employee should tell their employer that they would be willing to work for $25,000/yr.” Take a 50% pay cut. What a dupe wipe.

  20. What I want to know is how does a langostino with no claws give advice about rubber bands?

  21. Cats, what do you think all this is about? The rich bosses want people to be hurt so bad they would accept that. And think it better than no job.

  22. Robber barons –

    Employees take a cut in salary: the mortgage/rent, utility bills and groceries remain the same price:
    more go on the dole to keep at or just above poverty.
    Solved for the greedy employer.
    (except that the GoP will make sure those employees who sacrificed never get any government assistance).

  23. Cats, I hate to say it it but how much do you want to bet that Microsoft will wait about 30 days and then offer your son-in-law a new position at a lower wage?

    I have had several friends and acquaintances who have been caught in that trap. Nice job offer, let go after a minimal period and then offered a lower paying position. It’s a nasty and slick game.

  24. hooda… I understand what’s happening. I was shocked that this guy made that statement over the air waves. It was so “let them eat cake”.

    We’ll have to wait and see what happens at Microsoft. Last evening, my daughter told me that my son-in-law got asked to interview for another position at Microsoft. I wouldn’t be surprised if they offer him a job at a lower wage. If they do, I hope he calls us before me makes a final decision. He has a great deal of respect for what my husband says to him. Thanks for your input and for caring.

  25. Lass – so happy that you made it there safely. From the bits and pieces that I have gathered about your adventure, it sounds like the dolphins were good to you. The whale knows. 8:

  26. If wages were to be reduced by fifty percent there would be no problem if everything else was also reduced by the same.

    My first job, 1965, fresh out of college, paid me 425.00 per month. I bought a new car, paid my rent, and ate well. Less than ten years later, in the early seventies, my salary went over twenty grand per year and that meant I had reached the upper crust, on my way to the top! Then a few short years later my taxable was roughly fifty thousand. I was THAT FAR from being RICH.

    Then came the after effects of Nixon coupled with Reaganomics.

    Today fifty thousand is marginally above poverty level.

    Money is a mirage. Always has been, always will be.

    • Frugal sez:
      Money is a mirage. Always has been, always will be.

      The thing that is kicking my ass these days is the cost of food. I don’t remember ever spending this much, even when both of the men were at home. Believe me, we don’t eat high on the hog.

      Is anyone else noticing this?

  27. EV, we have this great education system here, no child left behind. No one ever said what was in front of them.

  28. So the right-wing’s making threats of violence again? Well, JTBP over at TP posted two links about violence targeted at the Southwest Workers Union’s living quarters and the other about the domestic terrorist who got into a shootout in the Bay Area…

    The right-wing wants us to own the actions of a few anarchists who infiltrate anti-war protests, yet will distance themselves from these attacks, saying that they cannot be blamed for a few whackos…

    Well those whackos have already killed innocents already and the common thread was they were influenced by the fear and the hatred…

  29. It’s not just you, zooey…Everything’s getting more expensive and expensive…even those unhealthy Cheetos and Doritos…even though they’re the cheapest…

  30. Zooey, food prices are on the rise.

    Oh an odd thing I saw: Safeway is touting its ice cream is now 1/2 gallon.

    (recall the weights and measures went down but the price remained the same for many products.)

    What used to be a full quart of something will generally be several ounces less so can’t be called a quart of milk, ice cream, mayonnaise, etc.

    Can’t imagine paying sales tax on groceries, like you do ID. That would totally bankrupt so many in CA.
    Certain foods do get taxed: candy, soda, pet food but the essentials do not.

    • Ebb, I thought the box container of ice cream was a half gallon. I haven’t bought it in a long while, so maybe I didn’t notice the difference.

      I have noticed that the size of things has gotten smaller, but the price stayed the same or increased. Maybe some people don’t notice, but I wring as much out of my dollars as I possibly can. πŸ˜€

      I haven’t been buying meat lately, because my rule has been that it has to be less than $2 a pound for me to even look at it. Right now, the only thing under $2 pound is really fatty pork ribs. *barf*

      To me, sales tax on (essential) food is a horror. Imagine being one of the many unemployed, scraping the bottom of the barrel to buy food for your family, as 6% comes off the top for the state. It’s just so fucking wrong.

  31. When I was a First semester junior in HS, Sputnik happened. As one of those in the top of the HS population in math and science, I was asked to forgo athletics and humanities courses and enter an accelerated curriculum in the physical sciences and math. This program was intended to provide a jump start for NASA.

    By the second semester of my senior year, I took first semester freshman courses at SMU and was given a bevy of tutors to help in the humanities. That was in Dallas Texas.

    The Eisenhower administration that provided the impetus for this program and it provided results in less than two years. The 3 “science” classes over a year behind me were in college a year ahead of normal. This process was in place until 1962 when it was allowed to fade away. Dallas was selected because of the large number of technological industries there at the time.

  32. Hello again ~ Thanks to all of the Critters for encouragement for my trip through posts, emails, fb, phone calls (apologies for not being able to return those – spotty reception, even out here).

    Max-1, I spent a good hour in the dark in your sister’s road last night (ok, I’ll admit I drove back and forth x3 to find my friends’ house); you are right it is pretty out here. I like the cool weather; sorry to see it end so soon 😦

    Cats, dolphins and other sentient beings were most helpful throughout my trip ~ especially the corvids … More on that later, Record Keeper 8)

  33. It’s 8% here, on everything. Of course, property taxes are low here. A $100,000 property is about $600 a year, 62 years old and older are exempt from that.

    I tried to compete with mail order Porsche parts houses for local business, but on a small expensive item, shipping was cheaper than the tax, and in the 90s, it was the cool thing to get it using the internet, and all the professionals had internet at their jobs.

  34. Zooey, I became a vegetarian over 20 years ago initially due to the ecomonics of red meat consumption; in grad school it just didn’t fit into my budget. My boyfriend at the time sent me to a yoga retreat for my birthday that year and I learned how to make deliscious vegan food inxpensively …

    Admittedly, I have imbibed in the dairy (I substitute goat as much as possbile), and go for eggs when these are free range organic … Ok, ok and I take a pharmaceutical grade cod supplement to stimulate my pre-frontal cortex …

    It is also cheaper to produce an acre of plants than an acre of livestock from farm to table … Something else to consider.

    Also, grow your own 8)

    • Lass, if I knew the first thing about finding out about vegetarianism, I’m tempted for the first time in my life to try it. I couldn’t be a vegan, that’s just too severe for me.

      Sadly, I have no dirt to grow my own, since I own a second floor condo. I do have a tomato plant in a pot, though. πŸ˜€

  35. House – 8% on groceries? That has to be harsh on people trying to make ends meet.

    Curious – do ID & AL tax prescription drugs?

    • Ebb, Idaho does not tax prescriptions. That would be even more horrendous!

      Uh oh, here comes my Zookeeper wannabee. Laters.

  36. zxbe, how was the company bbq/picnic yesterday?
    Did the weather cooperate for out door activity?

  37. Alabama doesn’t tax as far as my prescriptions are a copay with insurance. I haven’t paid for any without insurance.

  38. Food just keeps going up and up, costwise. We live on fixed incomes (VERY fixed), and consequently do what we can to keep food costs down. It ain’t easy, but so far we’ve managed. We eat a lot of chicken, some beef, some pork, some fish. We shop the sales with the goal of keeping the per serving meat cost at under a dollar. It can be done. Fresh fruit is the most expensive treat, these days, unless you happen to know people with fruit trees at which time, in season, the cost goes WAY down! I make all of our bread, which cuts the cost by close to 75 percent and tastes a whole lot better. We’ve come up with a number of meat free bean dishes which are delicious (and not terribly gaseous, believe it or not), and when the farmer’s market shows up we gorge ourselves on fresh veggies.

    Still, we have to watch it carefully as we try to hold food costs to $250 per month total. It can be done, though. For how much longer, I’m not sure.

  39. Outside temp is 95 right now, predicted high for the next two days is 98! It got like this in August 2007. Almost every day topped 100 for a couple of weeks.

    Three doors down a crew is rebuilding an old concrete block garage. They were putting roof trusses on today, followed by the sheathing. I guess the next two days for them is installing shingles or panels. I don’t know how they do it.

  40. No worries Zooey, plenty of time for learning … It may be an ecomonmic impetus (no red meat, then less expensive meats, and so on) or health reasons (Holy cow! I just lost 12 pounds because I didn’t eat dairy) … Your story has already begin πŸ™‚

    And I am happy to serve as veggie czar πŸ˜‰

  41. ebb, we had fantastic weather, and everyone seemed to have a good time (including me). πŸ™‚

    How’s everyone doing today?

  42. Even with a co-pay you’d see a tax on the Rx – of course that ‘tricky’ thing would be: would they tax the price paid by non-insured or the lower price offered insurance companies?
    ‘The free market system’

    CA does not tax prescription drugs – OTC, yes.

  43. Frugal, I applaud your efforts and buying locally is definitely where it is at! And there is nothing like fresh homebaked bread – Yummy πŸ™‚

  44. frugal, the best therapy and feeling of satisfaction is making ones own bread!

    Used to make rye, wheat and white.
    Scones & biscuits generally every two weeks.

    Alas, I have no stove so am out of practice and miss it terribly.

  45. Lass, bread-wise I come with a built-in advantage. My dad was a baker, owned and operated his own bakery in a small town in Minnesota. I grew up in the place, and he taught me well. We’ve not bought a loaf of bread, pkg of buns, rolls, pies, nothing at all, for years. No need. Various flours and whole grains, a little sugar, yeast, salt, an egg or two, some olive oil, water, and buttermilk and voila, that’s all there is to it. Other than waiting on the yeast to do its thing, of course. We’re never without it — the best tastin’ bread in the world! (far as I know, at least) πŸ™‚

  46. 2ebb,

    All I have is a toaster oven and a microwave. I have a single eye, we used it to heat water for testing thermal switches and thermostats at the car shop. I’ve never cooked food with it.

  47. ebb: Alas, I have no stove so am out of practice and miss it terribly.

    A 12″ cast iron Dutch oven plus a bag of charcoal (or an open campfire) will get the baking part done. Did it all the time on lengthy camping trips. Snow changes the equation, though.

    Another option is to hit Walmart (yuck, I know) and pick up a counter-top convection oven. Thirty-five bucks, bakes two loaves at a time with no problem.

  48. Frugal, That’s fantastic! I look forward to re-reading those last few bread posts as soon as my concentration for such task (reading) kicks in … In anticipation – YUMMY!

  49. frugal, I’m in ‘transition’ – thus no place to put any of those appliances you’ve recommended (sigh).

    Your descriptions of baking have brought back memories and I can nearly smell the aroma of baking bread!

  50. “Transition”. I hope your definition of the word happens sooner than mine. That’s what we said when we set the ancient 50s era stove on the side of the street in 1995.

  51. house, ‘transition’ means having to move from my current residence.
    Let me put it this way: I empathize with 5th.

  52. This is similar to the stove I used to have (until about a year ago) – the oven was on the opposite side.
    It was a beautiful Wedgewood-once you learn the character/quirks it was a delight!
    Baking is the aroma – wafting through the house – knowing it’s nearly finished done!

  53. 2ebb, the thing we set by the road was crap compared to that. I could easily see the mirror image of that depending onthe kitchen layout.

  54. PA does not tax food. I’m not sure if there is a tax on soda because I rarely buy it. We purchase 1/4 grass fed steer last winter and we still have plenty in the freezer. The cost came to $3.35/lb and the meat is fairly lean so often, one steak will feed both BB and me. Last year I invested in a upright freezer. The farmer up the road from me sells his veggies really cheap. Everything is 3 or 4 for $1.00 so I started buying more than we can eat and now I’m freezing some of theses veggies to use over the winter. Since I’m gluten intolerant, I have to buy or make special bread which is expensive. I use sprouted grain flour mixed with other non-wheat flour when making breads or pizza dough and these flours cost twice as much as wheat. The biggest food expense is purchasing food from the “organic section”. This is why I’m freezing food that I purchase from the local farmer. It should save me money during the non-growing season. Another thing about purchasing food, when possible, only purchase the foods that are in season.

  55. Cats, ravens are “magical/mystical”…crows represent “right/wrong” … These are just excerpts from various sources … You’ll have to excuse me; my friend Miranda says “hi” to you and we will continue playing “slumber party” πŸ˜‰

  56. Doing fine here Lass. Just a lazy evening watching some old TV shows. Right now I’m on a Perry Mason and Route 66 kick.

    • Raven ENVY!! I would like to have a stove like that. We used to go to a skiing cabin which had one like that and I cooked all our meals on it. I loved to get up in the mroning while the cabin was still chilly and fire up the embers and then have a solitary coffee. And then breakfast!

      When, or rather if we take over my father in law’s house, hubby promised me I would be the one to get the kitchen redone at my wishes. He won’t know what hit him when he sees the bill. A woodstove, btw. is a must, because slow cooking is best done on one of those.

  57. Easy Slow Cooker Chicken Cacciatore

    Prep Time: 25 Min
    Ready In: 7-9 Hrs plus 25 Min
    Cook Time: 7-9 Hrs
    Servings: 4

    Easy slow cooker chicken cacciatore. Serve over angel hair pasta. ‘Cacciatore’ is Italian for ‘hunter’, and this American-Italian term refers to food prepared ‘hunter style,’ with mushrooms and onions. “Avanti!”

    4 skinless, boneless chicken breast halves
    1 (28 ounce) jar Marinara sauce
    2 Marconi green/yellow or Italica peppers, seeded and diced (These are sweet peppers, but not Bells.)
    8 ounces fresh mushrooms, sliced
    2 medium onions, finely diced
    2-3 teaspoons minced garlic or 4-6 garlic cloves, minced

    1. With a meat tenderizing hammer, pound the chicken breast halves until they are 1/4 inches thick.

    2. Spray the interior of the slow cooker with Pam or the like. Put the chicken in. Top with the Marinara sauce, peppers, mushrooms, onion and garlic.

    3. Cover, and cook on Low for 7 to 9 hours.

  58. Florida does not tax fruit or vegetable juices, but does tax cranberry juice cocktail because of the word “cocktail.” V8 is taxed for the same reason, but tomato juice is not.

    Florida also has point-of-sale tax freedom laws. Periodicals and prepared foods are taxed when purchased from a brick and mortar store, but not when purchased from a machine, farmers’ market, roadside stand or street vendor.

    When I lived in Texas, about 50 years ago, you were asked how you planned to use chocolate and if it was for fudge or candies, it was taxed; if it was for cake or brownies, it was not.

  59. “I had a very nice wood cookstove once upon a time ebb, I sold the cabin it was in on the condition the stove stayed…”

    Raven, that’s a beauty! Things were made to last!
    Too bad we now have built-in obsolescence –
    seems nothing is ‘repairable’ anymore – just ‘throw it away’ and buy another. That drives me completely around the bend.

  60. Lass,
    I told you it was pretty.
    Did you see the old house just off HW18? The one in the low lying field? It’s a National Landmark house that gets damaged every couple of years due to extreme flooding. It’s called the Neely Mansion.

  61. EPA Covering Up Effects of Dispersant in BP Oil Spill? Part 3 – Democracy NOW!

  62. Max-1, Thank you for that link! When I passed Neely Mansion before it was dark – looking forward to seeing in the daylight tomorrow (or is it today?!)

    Off to get some rest – heading over to Anacosta in the early am … Good Night Zzzzz …

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