The Watering Hole: August 31 — The Scream

The Scream

Expressionist painter, Edvard Munch, created The Scream, which was actually one of a series of paintings, in 1893–1910.

In a page in his diary headed Nice 22.01.1892, Munch described his inspiration for the image thus:

I was walking along a path with two friends — the sun was setting — suddenly the sky turned blood red — I paused, feeling exhausted, and leaned on the fence — there was blood and tongues of fire above the blue-black fjord and the city — my friends walked on, and I stood there trembling with anxiety — and I sensed an infinite scream passing through nature.

Wow, that’s amazingly vivid.  *shudder*

On this day in history, August 31, one of the versions of The Scream, along with another Munch painting entitled Madonna, were recovered by Norwegian police after having been stolen in 2004.  Both of the paintings suffered damage, but they were restored and returned to display in 2008.

This is our daily open thread — got something to scream about?

54 thoughts on “The Watering Hole: August 31 — The Scream

  1. In my early 20s I was occasionally subject to outright panic attacks and Munch’s painting captured the feeling perfectly.That’s one part of my youth I don’t miss.

  2. OMG, Zooey. I don’t even know where to begin with these dumf*cks.
    Here’s one excuse; “I heard it on the news.” This was the response to not being able to pray at the memorials in DC. I don’t know who is spreading these lies. There is one or more than one person telling people that our government is taking away their religion. The truth is that these so-called fundy christians are pushing people AWAY from their faith. And that has nothing to do with the government.

  3. I just watched the Beck day video. Felt like screaming.

    The lingering question: how can there be so many incredibly fucked up and educationally/intellectually deficient people in a country whose mythology is based on American Exceptionalism?

    Ah. Keyword ‘mythology.’

    Whatever. Beck’s rally on Aug. 28th should have been titled “I have a Scream!” It would have been so much more fitting than ‘restoring honor’ or whatever the hell he called it.

    If I could get hold of my grandparents, I’d chew them out royally for leaving Sweden in favor of this Nuthouse!!!

  4. The word that comes to mind when I watched the rally video is self-righteous. These folks are so smug in their ignorance. For most people, the more we learn, the more we realize how much we don’t know.

  5. Outstanding, I think that is rational people. Tea baggers, when confronted with what they don’t know or understand tend to go into panic mode. If it even vaguely challenges their preconceived ideas it is ebil and dangerous.

  6. Please give me that 13 minutes back- aaagh!
    Listening to ‘stupid’ truly is painful. They haven’t a clue to what it is they hate – other than the Black man in the White House.
    The interviewer setting the lounge-chair lizard straight about parents having to wait years to become citizens…
    (the woman was speaking with ‘authority’ about undocumented pregnant women just standing around hospital parking lots to have babies in the U.S. – oh & her authority: her sister who lives in AZ)

  7. Yeah Hooda, an exchange on our local blog regarding Park 51, in which a detractor was confronted with evidence that most muslims neither want to conquer nor kill us, ended when the woman declared “I have a right to hate who I want to hate”.

    I went to check out the new beck site (yeah I know I’m a glutton for punishment) and got a 403 msg. Have any of y’all tried to look at becky’s theblaze?

  8. Outstanding, recently we had an incident in Superior, WI where a returned vet killed his wife, their children (one in the womb) and then himself. An editorialist then wrote an article questioning the family and folks in Superior for forgiving before they knew what they were forgiving. The gist of the article was, hold onto your grief and anger until someone shows they deserve forgiveness.

    Hold on to your hate. It just feels so damned good. Barf.

  9. How terribly sad Hooda, and how hopeless that man must have felt.
    Holding on to grief and anger only guarantees that more lives will be wasted. I know this will be an unpopular sentiment, and I understand why some people can’t move beyond grief, but I actually think it is unhealthy for some of the families of WTC victims to be so invested in that event nine years later that they are affronted by a nearby house of worship. There are things you never forget, but the inability to let living take priority over pain only makes one bitter.

  10. Outstanding… you make an excellent point. As difficult as it may seem, people need to forgive so that they can move on in life. Holding onto anger and hatred only keeps a person prisoner to their own despair and depression. When listening to the Beckerheads, it became obvious to me that this is a group of people that want to remain on the dark side of life. It is this darkness that joins them. The sad part is that they don’t realize that they are their own worst enemy. Instead, they throw shit around hoping it will stick someplace. In the end, the shit ends up back on them.

    Change of topic…
    Some critters might be interested in this:
    http://www.change.org/petitions/view/residential_composting_program_in_portland_oregon

  11. Yeah Hooda, an exchange on our local blog regarding Park 51, in which a detractor was confronted with evidence that most muslims neither want to conquer nor kill us, ended when the woman declared “I have a right to hate who I want to hate”.

    Gary could have a field day with that statement.

  12. Cats, I’m a bit surprised Portland hasn’t enacted this approach.

    Most of the Bay Area cities have what is called a food scraps/yard waste bin that goes to a site where citizens can access the rich compost.

    We also have a recycle (paper, metal, etc) bin.

    The smallest is a garbage bin- if one wants a larger ‘garbage’ bin the price is nearly prohibitive, thus encouraging citizens to recycle.

    • Glenn Beck’s rally was large, vague, moist, and undirected—the Waterworld of white self-pity.

      Ugh, Hitchens is on the mark, but I must say I really hate the word “moist.” Yuck.

      Of course, my reaction to the word “moist” is the same reaction I had to Whitestock.

  13. We are the only thing that can stop these white racists from destroying what is truly decent in this country. Besides those ignorant crackers are going to make every other race despise us. It’s like the Koran burning church that goes out of its way to make enemies. So stupid.

  14. The crime is that these people are indoctrinating their offspring into the same belief set that they value.

    I will never forget the scene of 5 to 7 year old children at the side of the road in full miniature KKK regalia (pointy hats and robes of white) collecting donations for said same organization when I and my spouse were traveling between Ocala and Palatka, FL.

  15. On a more positive note:
    I know some of you have been touched by adoption. I saved this quote to share as it is another example of someone who can use words well.
    “Those of us who have been adopted, or have adopted or want to adopt children, must believe in a world in which the tumblers of the universe can click in unfathomable ways that deliver strangers into our lives.”
    Scott Simon

    May we all be so open to strangers.

  16. Outstanding, my eldest, my son was adopted by my ex and her previous husband. I was never allowed to adopt him officially myself.

    He still calls me Pop. He considers himself to have two dads and a mom when she feels like it.

  17. The bond, not the blood, makes the relationship Hooda. I had a stepson who called me mom. In my family we dropped all the step, half, etc. designations and just called each other according to the relationship we lived.

      • Is anyone watching Rachel Maddow? Very weird.. Her microphone was cut off at a very interesting point in her segment talking about the reasons George W. and company gave for the Iraq War.. Very strange. That’s never happened before.

          • It did not. She had to go to commercial and was clearly upset. When she came back on, she described just why it was so weird. It wasn’t a wireless mic, it was hardwired. She was astounded, but just picked up where she left off anyway. It really did feel strange.

            • I do remember once when a writer was being interviewed (years ago) on a news talk show about things he experienced working in the CIA, and some of the things he had written on. Halfway through his interview, he was mid-sentence and the radio went dead. When it came back on, they had a different show on and he was gone. That’s when I realized that our “free speech” was not exactly accurate.. I bought the book. Very interesting..

            • I’m glad she continued with the story. If she hadn’t, I’d be suspicious about that. I’ll see how it looks online in a little while.

  18. Zooey – That is child abuse.

    When I was a kid I gradually concluded that just me having to go to church was child abuse.

    When I became a dad, I decided I would never insist religion on my kids, and I never did. When my youngest was around fifteen, she spent a couple of Saturday nights with a school friend whose mom was an evangelical. They would all go to church on Sunday morning. One day, my daughter said, out of the clear blue, “Dad, thanks for never making me go to church!” We talked for maybe an hour about the issue and by the time we were finished, I knew I’d done it right. NEVER FORCE A CHILD TO GO TO CHURCH! If, when they’re old enough to make their own way they should decide church is for them, it’s their choice, as it should be. But when they’re young, it’s unfair to force it on them. It takes a mature and educated adult to decide for herself (or himself) what’s best, what works.

    • I did things much the same, Frugal.

      I never made my men go to church, but never told them they couldn’t. We researched and talked about various religions, but like me, they just never bought into it.

      My mom was a lovely Christian like our Outstanding, and she absolutely refused to have me and my two sisters baptized at birth. She said we needed to grow up and make our own decisions about religion. Of course, she made us go to church until I simply refused to attend at a certain point. I’m the only one who remains unbaptized, and will always remain so. That disappointed her, but she respected my decision.

  19. I just received a text message from the Obama folks, reminding me, at 8:23 pm, to watch the speech at 7:00pm! I think we’re in trouble…

  20. Speaking of screaming, I managed to get a second paper out to a second conference just a few minutes ago. I even got it out in time, since the drop dead point is midnight tomorrow … unless its midnight tonight, which still doesn’t matter.

    The things we do for love …

  21. frugal, the only thing I took a stand on with my ex was the kids will not be force fed any religion. You can take them to whatever church you want fr exposure to ideas but no this is God crap.

    My older daughter chose to be baptized at the age of 15. My younger daughter is still thinking about it. Sort of.

  22. muse,
    I managed to comment posts while baby sitting. I put the kid in her exercise thing – a modern adaptation of a bouncy chair and poured boiled, pureed pears, chilled but not sweetened, into the tray. Afterwards, I would give her a bath while rinsing the exercise thing in the shower. I also mopped the kitchen floor. That worked until she was about 20 months old when she decided that the exercise thing was well below her level of sophistication. When placed there after that point in time, a child welfare agent coming to the door would believe that she was being. flayed alive – really!

    The TMJ is still with me, that’s why I am still awake. 😦

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