The Watering Hole: September 29, 2010 – Hump Day

Hump Day

Wednesday is sometimes referred to as “hump day” in American English slang. The workweek is a conceived as a hill with midweek representing the highest point.

Then again, the Movie “Watermelon Man” gave a different meaning to this day of the week!

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This is our Open Thread. Please feel free to add your thoughts on this, or any other topic that comes to mind.

78 thoughts on “The Watering Hole: September 29, 2010 – Hump Day

  1. Nowhere to go but down for the rest of the week.

    Interesting commentary around the president ‘scolding’ the progressive community for their lack of enthusiasm over the upcoming election.
    Bill Press defending the administration, and Norman Goldman ripping them. I love the fact that the left side can have these differences without rendering the party asunder.

    It would have been nice to have the President take a more mollifying, apologetic tone, but I sure as hell don’t want the R’s to take over even the House, so Hi Ho, Hi Ho, it’s off to work against the R’s I go!!

  2. I’m not enthusiastic about the House (or both houses) falling to the GOP, but the results may not be so dire in the long run. Charles Krauthammer (yes, seriously) pointed this out earlier: the president has done pretty much everything he can in his term, and regardless of the outcome in November he’s not going to be able to advance his agenda any farther. With the veto, he should be able to prevent the GOP from unraveling things, and now the anti-incumbent fervor will be pointed at the people in office not accomplishing anything: the GOP.

    GOPers (and teabagging trolls) are convinced that the country is surging with anti-Progressive attitudes but the reality is (and recent polls prove) that Americans have an even lower opinion of Republicans than they do of Democrats, and trust them less to turn the country around. It just happens that the incumbents are Democrats–this time around.

    It’s still important to get out the vote, especially among the young people, and I’ve been stressing that with my kids and their friends — even in Blue Oregon. I’d love to see the pollsters proven wrong, but I fear that Boner will be the new Speaker come January.

    • I hope you’re wrong, gummitch, but if you’re not, it will only last until 2012 — when the people are hurting enough and sick & tired enough to vote for their own interests. maybe…

  3. Z, If the House goes R, after two years of NOTHING getting passed through Congress between 2011 and 2012, the voters might just kick the R’s to the curb for the next decade.
    Who the hell are the R’s going to run against Obama in 12? Thune? Palin? Mittens? Rand Paul?

  4. All bills of revenue must originate in the House. If the Republicans gain a simple majority in the House, they control the government’s purse strings.

    We can then look forward to de-funding health care, unemployment, the department of Education, the Department of Interior, the Department of Labor, etc., and every social program, up to and including a complete shut-down of the Federal Government.

  5. Morning all!

    Yeah, it’s depressing to think of the damage the repigs can do if they have the House. But as has been said, by 2012, people will be even more fed up–especially if there’s a complete shutdown of the government. And yeah, the R’s got nuthin’ to run in 2012. It’s going to be laughable, though people will be hurting so bad by then, I don’t know who will actually be laughing.

    Looks like we might have a shakeup in the governor’s race. Seems Whitman has a nanny problem. 🙂

  6. gummitch – nice summation.

    I think what the media fails to pick up on in the story is that the American people want real solutions to real problems; not partisan bickering. The only recourse we have as voters is to throw out the current batch and try something new. Given how entrenched the party system is, that often means having to switch parties.

  7. BnF – I think it’s a given that the GOP would simply stop funding everything. A government showdown is inevitable. They seem to think they know how to do it this time without becoming the bad guy. I think they will be wrong, again.

  8. Cats pointed out something on TP that might be reason for some hope: polling is limited to landline phones. Folks who go entirely to cells will tend to be early adopters, which will favor the young and often enough, those with a more “lefty” political orientation.

    Even with that in mind, several recent Gallup polls showed the Dems generically pulling even with the GOP as of a week or two ago. It is possible that the “conventional wisdom” espoused in the MSM will not prove as accurate as it has in the past. This is not an excuse for complacency, but rather for avoiding despondency.

  9. I’m 54 and we dumped our home landline fourteen years ago.

    Dems are just now starting to counter the Republican attack ads, and Obama is speaking somewhere every day. The question is how much of the President’s words are reaching the low information voters.

    Zaid Jilani is on Hartmann right now, talking about the Georgia Economic Ballot Amendment from his thread on TP yesterday.

  10. I work with market research people as part of my job. It is no longer true that phone polls are limited to landlines and, according to them at any rate, studies have established that there is no real difference in responses between landline and cellphone users.

    Even if it was true that cell-only users tend to be young (I’m 61 and been cell-only for four years), that’s also the demographic that is least likely to vote, especially in mid-term elections.

  11. One of the things I wonder about about polls is that if you keep asking the same people the same kinds of questions wouldn’t you get the same answers?

    Somehow I doubt that many polls just keep randomizing their polled crowd.

  12. The last time I received a land line call from a pollster the very first question was leading and made me suspicious.

    I asked them to repeat the question and then started asking who they were, who wrote their paycheck and what organization was paying for the poll. The person on the phone was unable or unwilling to answer.

    I proceeded to jerk them around for a bit and finally told them to fuck off and to remove my number from their records.

    I haven’t had a call since.

  13. I don’t think America can survive congressional control by the R’s, we have already neglected the health of our environment, infrastructure, and people too long. I don’t think I could survive another round of listening to the smug bastards claim that they represent “real americans”.

  14. The one thing about the RepublicaiNos regaining any level of control is that I suspect it will accelerate the demise of the America we know. Sort of like the difference in opinion about slowly wading into cold water versus just diving in.

    I am beginning to think that without a major and painful shock, things will just get slowly worse.

  15. BnF – Great post. Thanks for the link to the movie. I just finished watching it. I’ve never seen Watermelon Man. Now would be a good time for an updated remake. Just think of all the teabagger racism that can be added to this movie.

  16. Here in PA, Sestak is now even with Club for Growth Toomey. The veteran groups are backing Sestak and they are backing new comer, Manan Trivedi. I was told that the military and veterans have a special bond and will stand by other veterans.

    From my experience as a committee person… most people don’t even think about voting and politics until 2 to 3 weeks before the election. Some people don’t even pay attention until election day. Yeah, and that is why I don’t trust polls taken too early in the season. The Democrats, at least in PA, are being smart and have been making video ads that play all over the Internet. They are also beginning to advertise on TV and their ads are strong attack ads. Sestak has so much material to use against Toomey and all Toomey can say is that Sestak voted for health care. Most people don’t give a shit about health care. That was last year’s issue. It’s about jobs and people are still angry about Wall Street bailouts and bonuses.

    The msm has really gone down hill in the past 12 months. Ever since the teabaggers got the media’s attention, they can’t seem to focus on anything else, except maybe Lindsey Lohan. The news media is shallow and 24 hour news is boring. When CNN first started the 24 hour news network, it was interesting. Now, it’s become boring and a place for spreading hate and division.

    And, I will be attending Jon Stewart’s Stop the Insanity event. The buses are beginning to get booked here in PA. We were fortunate to be able to reserve a bus.

  17. Cats, I really wish I could join you on that bus. I recognize the importance of having the event in DC, but it does make it tough on us Left Coasters.

    On polling: I’ve never been called for a political poll, as far as I can remember. I used to get other marketing survey calls, but not political.

  18. To our House of Roberts:

    ~!~ hApPy BeLaTeD BIRTHDay ~!~

    Wished you an early b-day – wasn’t on line for the ‘real’ day but, what he heck I’m again electronically connected to the virtual world and didn’t want to pass up the opportunity! So there!

    Did you have an enjoyable b-day, house?

    • Just found this at TP: Assistant AG Harassing Gay Student

      If you haven’t done so already, watch the video. This guy, Shurvill, is so childlike, and he acts and sounds like a troll. If it weren’t this gay college student, he’d be stalking some other gay person. He’s supposed to be an assistant AG in Minnesota — serving all of the citizens equally. Clearly, he is unable to do his job properly, and needs to be spending more time with his Pedo Bear ™.

  19. Thanks, Hooda – it is great to be electronically connected to the world!

    Where I currently reside (smoke-free) it’s for seniors 55+ (yes I may be one of the ‘young ones’).
    The common courtyard has a nice water feature and inviting patio furniture – so people gather in the evening.
    My first night here – I over hear the conversation – wafting through my window- going something like this: “Bill was cooking something that smelled just awful. There was a stink coming from his apartment”.
    Someone responded:”It’s none of my business – but that was marijuana smoke coming from his place”!

    (I’d not put it past someone to have a permit for Medical Marijuana.- only wish I knew which ‘Bill’ it was! –

  20. Hi 2ebb! Good to have you back!

    The birthday was uneventful. I scored some red velvet cake at the market, so I got to celebrate a wee bit with that. I did play your video while I was eating the cake, thanks.

  21. And just follow your nose, it will lead you to Bill.

    That’s just it Hooda -he must be on the other side of the complex because that perfume hasn’t wafted this way!

    I’ll have to do some discrete snooping for that aroma!
    I was most fortunate to land where I did. There’s even an open field across the way – wildlife in the big City is always a plus!

    • gummitch, if you could watch about 30 seconds of it, you’ll see what I mean about him being child-like. It’s really disturbing.

      That gay college kid must be the only gay guy in the state. That sicko says he’s focused on him because he’s a college alumni, but his stalking behavior is just beyond the pale.

  22. Don’t recall if I relayed ‘the most, bestest’ news of all:
    I can have a cat – ‘Mellow’ will get his booster shots this weekend, at a low cost mobile clinic. I turn in the paperwork to the manager and ‘Mel’ will dwell in the house of the Peregrine~!~

  23. “For nearly six months, Andrew Shirvell, an assistant attorney general for the state of Michigan, has waged an internet campaign against” Chris Armstrong, who is the openly gay student assembly president at the University of Michigan-Ann Arbor.

    Anderson Cooper actually called this fool out, that was a relief.
    Immaturity – holy ghost, a twelve year old knows better than to act in this manner. How on earth did this idiot get into the position in the AG’s office?
    Bigot – Bigot – “Christian Citizen exercising my 1st Am. Rights.” Note he uses the ‘Christian Citizen’ label for himself…sheeesh he’s not 12, he’s 4 years old!

  24. Zooey, he has to become an indoor cat – unless I can ‘leash train’ him.
    Unfortunately ‘Mel’ is used to having a cat door and wandering at will. We’ll just see how this goes – please send positive energy/thoughts his way that indoor living will be ‘fun’.
    I’m keeping some empty boxes so he can keep himself ‘occupied’ by wandering in and out of those…

    • Heh. Poor Mel. He’ll just have to settle for chasing a peregrine around the apartment. 😉

      It’s just as well, outdoor kitties are too hard on the wildlife.

  25. House, he’s a ‘former’ cat. My old neighbor graciously took Mel and Tommy. Tommy has since found a home between that neighbor and one across the street.

    Bonnie and Clyde have hooked-up with their old neighbors.

    So none had to go the Shelter!

  26. I trained my kitty to not like the outdoors when he was a baby. I was cleaning the filter on the swimming pool and accidentally held him over the pool with the other hand. All of a sudden his little heart was going really fast when I looked to see why. And he’s never wanted to go outside since. 👿

    Of course he’s about 20 lbs. now so that wouldn’t work as well.

  27. My cats are all straight-off-the-street rescues, and have not missed the outdoors.

    Even the feral decided to come indoors (she hates humans; my best guess is that she decided I was a funny looking cat.) The one time she got out, I was nearly apoplectic with grief. But she came back and sat on the steps meowing at the world in great confusion. She was much shyer back then of me than now, but even then she let me scoop her up and take her back inside.

    They do all enjoy sitting at the screens of the enclosed porch and watch the “Big Screen” kitty TV.

  28. I am a firm believer that cats belong indoors, especially cats in urban or suburban environments. The average life of the cat is extended by decades because you’ve removed all the threats of disease, larger animals and cars. Although I’ve heard people claim that their cats just have to go out, I believe this is a matter of people being trained. Cats will adjust, given a little time, but they’ll definitely jerk the house humans a lot getting there.

    I lived with a cat that had been forced by circumstance to be entirely an outdoor cat for his younger years. At about 6-7 years of age, he came indoors and never left. He’d occasionally sit and look out the window, but not often, and he never fled out through an open door.

    The other side, of course, is that cats are hell on the local animals, especially birds. They kill for entertainment value, and because they’re hardwired as predators.

    Exception: farm cats. Especially farm cats that have the opportunity to hold down the rodent population. All those I’ve known occupied themselves with mammals and left the birds largely alone.

  29. muse,

    I haven’t heard anything about it on the shows I’ve been watching, but I’m also jumping over to the Mets game. Haven’t heard Keith mention it yet (not sure if he will since it’s not likely to be one of the top five things people are talking about tomorrow). Rachel might mention it. We’ll have to see.

    • Ambush Filmmaker O’Keefe Tried To ‘Punk,’ ‘Seduce’ CNN Reporter

      Why do they get away using a lame term like “punk”, like it was just a big joke.. This was an attempt to set up this woman and use the film to smear a network. That is not ‘punking’, and this man (who is not a kid) should go to jail – either that or get the snot sued out of him.. He seems to like walking the tightrope, nudging up against breaking the law.. If they don’t do something serious to get the point across to this person that he can’t get away with this stuff, he will soon be followed by other eager copycat people who want to get their 15 minutes of fame or notoriety, all in the name of their ’cause’.. Where does it end..

      And why is it that the people who do this kind of crap are always “conservatives”? And why do they get away with it? I tell you—it’s bully mentality. They think they can get away with anything. Can anyone name a single Liberal Democrat or Progressive who demonstrates this kind of stupid immature bully behavior? The lying? The intimidating?The total absence of integrity or ethics? Really..

      And these behaviors are modeled, reinforced, REWARDED, and encouraged by all the turkeys on FOX Noise every single day..

      • Here’s what Media Matters had to say about O’Keefe’s “punking”:

        Just a quick follow-up on James O’Keefe: It’s easy to describe what O’Keefe allegedly tried to do to CNN reporter Abbie Boudreau as a “stunt” or an attempt to “punk” her. CNN used the word “punk” in its headline and “prank” in a caption, and I used the word “stunt” earlier today. None are sufficient.

        Riding a motorcycle on a wire stretched across the Grand Canyon is a “stunt.” Wearing a chicken suit to mock a political candidate for refusing to debate is a “stunt.” Unscrewing the cap on a salt shaker so your dining companion over-salts his soup is a “prank.”

        Lying to a reporter in order to lure her onto a boat under false pretenses, then secretly recording her reaction to being confronted in an enclosed, unfamiliar environment by a strange man with handcuffs and sex toys, all while disparaging her as a “bubble-headed-bleach-blonde,” is not a “stunt.” It is the vicious, misogynist act of a twisted person whose 15 minutes should have expired long ago.

        Right on the money.

  30. Yes, muse, the two women do have a lot in common. According to the rag sheets my mother makes me help her find in the supermarket, Palin has something like a $27 million divorce deal with Todd. Maybe she and Christine will run off together. They deserve each other. 🙂

  31. I think what O’Keefe might have done could be considered “attempted blackmail.” Just because you do it badly doesn’t take you off the hook. It might be difficult to prove, so he may get away with it. In the end, no actual harm (to date) has been done. The exposure of the story might be damaging after the fact, but we’ll have to see what happens to the CNN reporter.

    • It just makes me so mad.. If there are no consequences, there is nothing to stop this turkey from trying to top each attempt to get his name in the news. And of course FOX just eats it up because their entire broadcast is about making shit up and getting ratings.

  32. 2ebbandflow, the puppy is ginormous. And I am totally smitten with him. Even that cat likes him. He’s trained and doesn’t have to be in the crate anymore when we leave but I spend half my day picking up pieces of paper because tearing paper apart is his weakness.

  33. I am reaping my karma for gloating about the lack of mosquitos here in the lower desert, Shayne.
    They have found me.
    There is at least one, but no more than three, under every bench, table and chair here at the lodge.
    They are tiny!
    No more than an 1/8 of an inch long, medium grey, and exceedingly hard to swat.

  34. Lawrence O’Donnell is going to compare Levi Johnston’s answers to Sarah Palin’s answers. Lawrence ended up asking Levi the same questions Katie Couric famously asked Sarah. (I thought they sounded familiar. What do you read for news?) He’s going to show the answers side-by-side. Should be good.

  35. Farm cats, also called barn cats, are a useful member of a working agri-community. They are usually feral, fierce hunters, and do a fabulous job of keeping down the vermin. Mice will literally eat the expensive equestrian tack at horse ranches, for example.

    I’ve helped folks catch and “snip” a feral that had come to their place. They wanted it back because one of their previous ferals had disappeared/died. This earlier critter — for whom they’d expressed great fondness — had been seen running down and killing a jack rabbit.

    One of the points about TNR (Trap/Neuter/Return) is that ferals become integral members of the local ecology. Once spayed/neutered, they will continue to hunt even as they are being fed. (I’d come out of my trailer in Carbondale and have a row of dead voles in my driveway.) They continue to keep down the vermin population, but also prevent other cats from moving in (the “vacuum effect” when one group is merely destroyed.)

    A good source of information on the values of non-breeding feral colonies can be found here:
    http://www.alleycat.org/

  36. Once upon a time I was a young silversmith living in an old log cabin in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.
    My workbench was in the open air woodshed.
    I got very adept at waving the acetylene torch about while I was soldering.
    Mosquitos turn to ash instantaneously at 2000 degrees Fahrenheit.

  37. Ebb welcome back!

    Muse, I saw that about Christine. I wonder what a lot of the righties will think about that. The same righties who are up in arms because Obama “lied” to them during the campaign.

    Will they hold Witchie O’Donnell to the same standard?

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