The Watering Hole: December 16 – United States Bill of Rights


The Mad Hatter and the March Hare try to put the Dormouse in a teapot.

In case you did not notice, yesterday marks the 219th anniversary day of the ratification of Bill of Rights. Today (and yesterday, and the day before ad infinitum) marks the time when this set of amendments are on the pick and choose list of Republicans and the Tea Party. Much of the rest of the Constitution and the balance of the Amendments are being reconstituted.

The Second Amendment is sanctified and has been modified to include assault rifles have been added to the flintlock muskets envisioned by the founding fathers. Could missiles and nuclear weapons be next? After all they are tantamount to the concept of a “well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State”.

The third is almost valid as one would not like to have that pesky militia running about ones fortified house. It is a bit short of perfection as it fails to address the Second Amendment solution.

The First and Four through Nine are poorly written as they do not address the Arab Problem.

Number 10’s main shortcoming is that the central government is allowed to forbid actions deemed “necessary” by some states.

Any Amendment after 10 should not be considered valid as the founding fathers did not consider any of them when the Constitution was first adopted.

This sort of logic extends to the Constitution itself. If the founding fathers had to modify it, they certainly believed that they did not get it right the first time.

This is our Open Thread. Please feel free to add your thoughts on this, or any other topic that comes to mind.

142 thoughts on “The Watering Hole: December 16 – United States Bill of Rights

  1. Our present government has become the embodyment of the tyranny they labored to escape.

    The language of the Bill of Rights and the Constitution is writen using verbage that is intentionally nonspecific. It was meant to be adaptable to changing times.

    They were depending on the populus to take an active role in the affairs of their government.

    The lobbyist machine that pours money into an elected officials coffers had not matured to its present malfunction.

    Corporations were not regarded as “people”.

    They were counting on the repesentatives to to exhibit loyalty to the states and its people first. Thereby not being sold out to the highest paying foreign PAC for narrow military and religious agendas with us as the proxy.

    I honestly believe they were counting on people to do the right thing which in this day and age, rarely happens anymore.

    Also, Wall Street didn’t exist at the time. Money had actual backing and there was no Fed or Ben Bernanke’s to fire up the copier when the money supply got inconveniently low.

    I have to feed my unicorn breakfast. I’ll be back when I cheer up.

  2. The tea baggers pick and choose Constitutional amendments just like they pick and choose verses in the bible. They feel the same way about social programs administered by the Government. Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, disability, unemployment and worker’s compensation only applies to them because they earned it and everyone else didn’t.

  3. If the militias had access to missiles and nuclear weapons, they would want them included in the second amendment rights. After all, it’s only criminals and terrorists with weapons that are a danger to society.

  4. Mornin’ everbody!

    I’m hearing an audio clip of McChinless blubbering about Judd Gregg’s retirement from the Senate, on Bill Press. You’d think Gregg just died the way he’s carrying on!

    Cheeseflap, now you have to wish RUCerious his Happy Birthday.

    My temp just hit 57, and the forecast high was to be 51. The front is just passing Memphis, but it slants eastward so much as you go north, Outstanding may get my weather as I’m getting it today, instead of 12 hours later!

  5. I’m ready for 57 degrees House. It hasn’t gone above freezing for days and is currently snowing and the temperature is 25. Send warmth!

  6. Outstanding, I think your latitude is working against you, but the front may bring you some warmth and rain, if the weather in Bristol is headed your way.

  7. Those were lovely, as usual, cheeseflap. I especially like Jane’s. ๐Ÿ™‚

    Zxbe–I have no doubt that they would if they thought they could get away with it.

    I sure hope that cold front moves on soon. I’m heading to Florida for a cruise in early January and I’d rather not be freezing my butt off. Last year, there were record lows in Tampa when we were there, and our one port stop was miserably cold and blustery. Because of that, this year they aren’t even going to decide where to go until we sail, so hopefully they can find someplace WARM!

  8. Assange Walks Free From High Court

    WikiLeaks founder thanks supporters around the world
    โ€ข ‘If justice is not always the outcome, at least it is not dead yet’
    โ€ข Pledges to cont

  9. I think I have figured out the difference between your basic Republican and a Teabagging Republican.

    One wears their ass for a hat. The other as a neck tie.

  10. What is this world coming to? I just ran to the store to pick up a few things and one of them was some Corona. The store has a policy of asking everyone for ID so when the little fella ringing things up said “Do you have your ID?” I had to respond with “I lost my Idy in a flood.”

    The lady behind me snorted, the bagger laughed out loud and the cashier looked at both then back at me and rebooted with a totally straight face…”I need to see some ID.”

  11. frugal, when asked that question I generally can’t resist saying something like “No, I disguise myself as a decrepit old fart to keep people like Paris Hilton from hitting on me.”

  12. frugal, I have met(as in spent more than 30 seconds shaking their hand or watching them walk by) exactly one celebrity in my life. It involved a single dance in the lounge of a Holiday Inn in Virginia Beach. After hours. Don’t ever let anyone tell you that those eyes of hers aren’t an amazing violet.

    • Is any one paying attention to what’s going on with the tax cut thing in the House. I heard on the radio that there’s some fighting going on, and the vote is postponed until tomorrow.

  13. Zx: “Blake Edwards has passed away.”

    How sad. And how strange the ‘coincidence’ given that for the last week, we’ve been watching his masterpiece late fifties TV series, Peter Gunn.

    Blake Edwards: a true original. What a talent he was!

  14. Frugal, because of under-age drinking. Clerks were using a subjective “looked 21” so now every i.d. is checked (at Safeway anyway).
    The state will start issuing a different shape license for those under 21 –
    “In addition, cards issued to persons under 21 will come in a vertical layout.”

  15. Hooda, the only ‘celebrity’ I ever met face to face was Linus Pauling. Attended a seminar by him at Arizona State U. back in the sixties. Afterward, in the crowd, he stepped on my foot, accidentally. Thankfully he didn’t swoon like Paris Hilton would if she were to step on my foot.

  16. I’ve not seen but a couple episodes of Peter Gunn. But I love the iconic theme song and the rest of the jazzy Henry Mancini music that went into it. (I got a CD of it for Christmas a couple years back.)

  17. zxbe, the theme to Peter Gunn is one my daughter recognizes immediately because I have a tendency to hum it to myself. The other one is Harlem Nocturne.

  18. Remember when Oral Roberts implored his followers to donate money to his ministry, or else ‘God was going to call him home’?

    How much different is that from Obama calling House Democrats and telling them they must pass the tax cut bill or it will be ‘the end of his presidency’?

  19. I love Harlem Nocturne as well. Good stuff.

    There was a reworking of the Peter Gunn theme into a song with lyrics called Bye Bye, and sung by Sarah Vaughn. A few years ago some mixmaster reworked her version of the song into something I found to be quite interesting. If I can find a copy I’ll post it on Friday night music.

  20. Obama calling House Democrats and telling them they must pass the tax cut bill or it will be โ€˜the end of his presidencyโ€™?

    Whether it passes or not – Obama’s presidency is at an end.
    Up until now I truly thought he could pull a rabbit out of a hat…no longer. Capitulaters have clipped wings – and won’t fly.

  21. Zx, I had that Peter Gunn album when I was still in HS, in the late fifties. Today, when I hear an excerpt in the background of an episode, I can either hum along or whistle it! Mancini did a fantastic job there — one of his first, i.i.r.c., predating his first REAL biggie, Moon River from Breakfast at Tiffany’s in 1960 or ’61, whichever it was.

  22. ebb: “Obamaโ€™s presidency is at an end.”

    I tend to agree, ebb. It is as far as I’m concerned — barring some sort of unexpected miracle.

    FDR, in a 1936 campaign speech, said it all”

    For nearly four years you have had an Administration which instead of twirling its thumbs has rolled up its sleeves. We will keep our sleeves rolled up.

    We had to struggle with the old enemies of peaceโ€”business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.

    They had begun to consider the Government of the United States as a mere appendage to their own affairs. We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.

    Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hate for meโ€”and I welcome their hatred.

    I should like to have it said of my first Administration that in it the forces of selfishness and of lust for power met their match. I should like to have it said of my second Administration that in it these forces met their master.

    I had hoped that’s what we’d hear from Obama. Apparently, and sadly, I was wrong.

    • I don’t think Obama’s presidency is over yet, but he just can’t keep doing the same stuff he’s been doing. He has to shift his message and efforts to the PEOPLE, and if he doesn’t do it quickly, he’s toast.

  23. Pardon the trite sports analogy but it is half time. Obama has been playing an old conservative style game relying on a back field of running backs that have basically sucked. The other team has shown him all they have and it is pretty pitiful.

    Coming out of the locker room in the second half he can keep playing the same game and get his ass handed to him some more or he can get creative in his strategy and light the field up. He has the brains to do it but I am beginning to doubt that he has the savvy or the guts.

  24. I also don’t think Obama is finished. I believe, to a large extent, that’s the narrative we’ve been handed from the right. And I refuse to accept their narratives as fact.

    Has he met all my exceptions? No, but then again no president ever has, or ever will.

    If there’s any one person (or group) that I’m most upset with, it would be the blue-dog Democrats in the Senate, and the horrible campaign by Martha Coakley, and Harry Reid.

    The Blue Dogs should have been brought in line sooner. Committee chairmanships, etc, should have been pulled for those who didn’t get in line. The grotesque misuse of the filibuster by the Republicans should have been called out and they should have been required to stay in the chamber, until they drop dead if they feel that strongly about an issue, to debate.

    • Blue Dogs might as well call themselves Repiggies, because it seems like they always vote with them anyway.

      My current Blue Dog certainly did, and all of his answers to my correspondence were certainly every bit as condescending as anything I’ve received from Repiggies in this state. Now he’s being replaced with a teabagger, and I won’t even bother.

  25. Flying squids? Old news. That’s what the jarheads used to call naval aviators. We called them airedales. But seriously, that is really cool.

  26. That they are, Zooey. I miss the sea. One of the coolest things I ever saw was a big manta, better than 8′ across, launching out of the waves to slap stun a school of bait fish. For a second I thought it was going to get airborne and fly away.

  27. Over the top and way too kool, Peter Gunn rocks!
    Blake Edwards and Henry Mancini shred old school!
    Some things are timeless…

  28. Boo. Ron Wyden has prostate cancer and needs surgery. Now.

    Bad news, bad timing and a good example why colonoscopies are important. Did he skip his, even though he could easily pay for the procedure? I hope everything goes well for him.

  29. “BTW, Iโ€™m done with finals!! Now I just need to figure out how to stop thinking I have school work to get done.”

    You can always help me with my briefs!

    ๐Ÿ˜‰

  30. A colonoscopy is when they shove a camera on a stick up your butt. The camera is a 1932 Hasselblad and the stick is a rough sawn 4×6. I know this because I had one done before they decided a patient should be sedated before the procedure.

  31. Zooey, you should have heard the doctor bitch when he didn’t get it back. I told him to wait a few days all things will pass.

  32. After that experience I decided if a doctor is curious about what is happening in my large intestine he had best own a wet suit.

  33. Seriously, Zooey, you can ask them to record the trip and then you could sell it to trolls. Sort of an old home week video for them. ๐Ÿ™‚

  34. I was hungry as hell when I finally came out of it. Screw the “take it easy for a day” shit, I went out and had some quesadillas (w/o regrets, I might add).

    But the contemporary process does involve some impressive drugs. I was lying on the table, saw a poster and asked a question about the procedure. I was waiting for an answer when I finally realized I was not in the same room as before. Someone I knew drove me home (drove me to the quesadillas first).

  35. I have the experience of numerous colonics.
    It’s fascinating to watch the shit go by via a 3/4 inch poly tube.
    Mushrooms are particularly bizarre as they pass.
    Cheese is disturbing.

  36. I’ve found that there are only two ways of driving trolls off on TP. One is if everyone just flags the little dorks without replying. The other is to hound them with their own nonsense.

  37. Well, I’m a little late with the colonoscopy advice, but on the list of things I could have prior was “white grape juice”. Now, what is chardonney but white grape juice?

  38. I wore myself out fucking with Teabagger/onlooker/OSTL/Olby on that Hatch thread. It is interesting, though, that for him the exact same comment suffices for every one of his posts. Hadn’t occurred to me before, but really, he never says anything anyway, so why bother trying to think up more than one response?

    I have to wonder what that guy’s story really is. He’s probably the most unimpressive loser/tool I’ve ever run across anywhere, and believe me, I’ve known some doozies in my passage!

    Oh well, screw it. I’m tired, think it’s sack time. Hopefully I won’t dream of either colonoscopies or trolls (assuming there’s a difference).

  39. Frugal – standing o for your stamina at the Hatch thread!

    Well, the only difference between a colonoscopy and a troll – the colonoscopy is a diagnostic tool where a troll is just a tool of the Repugnant Party/teabaggery.

  40. Zooey, you’ve never been privileged to have a colonoscopy or a flexible sigmoidoscopy?

    how can your ass ever be the same after that?

    [Well if you’ve had cancerous tumors removed – it isn’t]

  41. “Paw-prints in the snow
    Soft tail-brush across ankle
    Happy Birthday Jane”

    How beautiful, cheeseflap! Thank you, what a special gift, I’m touched and honored.

    Thanks again to all for the birthday wishes, I have to blow out the candles and call it a night. Hope to see you all over the weekend.

    • We need to start a Zoo commune. SS and Medicare will go bye-bye, and there won’t be anymore money for the little people, so we’ll need to take care of each other.

      • The Senate will not vote on the 2011 spending bill this year.

        Do we actually think Harry Reid will change the filibuster rules on Jan 5? Don’t fucking count on it.

        • Do we actually think DADT will pass on Saturday? Think again.

          Do we actually think the DREAM Act will pass on Saturday? Think again.

          START? Not until after the next Congress is sworn in.

          Filibuster reform? Don’t make me laugh.

          Obama is now a lame duck.

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