The Watering Hole: March 1,2010 – Old Sins and Long Shadows



I always loathed the bloke. Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, Germany’s defense minister has resigned today over the scandal around his PhD. thesis. He plagiarized about a third of it, if he wrote it at all, that is. And, of course, he had to sign a statement, that he had in fact written the thesis by himself and made all sources available to the reader. This amounts to perjury, which is in Germany not a misdemeanor but a crime punishable by at least 1 year in jail (parole possible).

And another one bites the dust: French Foreign Minister Michele Alliot-Marie, resigned over trips she took to Tunisia which were funded by the Ben Ali entourage.

Well old (and newer) sins really have long shadows.

This is our open thread. Enjoy yourselves and have a nice day.


343 thoughts on “The Watering Hole: March 1,2010 – Old Sins and Long Shadows

  1. Well. since a PhD is required in order to pee in a pot in Germany, I would guess that Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg’s prospects in the job market are pretty slim.

    The Frenchies picture did not come across too well.

    Update: Oops, that’s been fixed!

  2. Good morning EV

    And in marked contrast, US politicians, especially Republicans, would never resign over anything as trivial as examples you’ve provided.
    Indeed they don’t resign over ANYTHING

  3. Hokey smokes, they finally dug Clark out of the rubble!

    Good to see you back, 5th!

  4. good to be here again , hooda. great to see the old gang still going strong.

    Walt, those ribs of yours must HURT…

  5. Welcome back 5th! And, BTW, Moamar Ghadafi is the worst person in the world today.

  6. Oh, and here’s the link to the article too.

    SAO PAULO (AP) — A motorist sped his car through a pack of more than 100 cycling activists in southern Brazil, sending bikes and screaming riders flying through the air and landing hard on the asphalt in a scene captured on amateur video and posted online.

    At least 40 cyclists were injured, with most suffering cuts and broken bones, but nobody was killed, authorities said.

  7. EV, at least the scandal ridden in Europe have the common decency to resign. In Japan, they commit seppuku, in America they laugh all the way to the bank.

  8. RUC, I am glad they still do, but they get replaced with the same,… Guttenberg will eat humble pie for a while, and lo and behold, he’ll be back in a while. Unless he is convicted of perjury, then he’ll disappear for good.

  9. Hi Cats! Hi RUC! It’s great to be back.

    Yes Cats I saw that story last night about cafeteria. I believe that’s called a “dick” move.

  10. Welcome back, 5th!

    Plagiarism is one of those sins that cuts right at the core of my professional integrity. I react to it more angrily than I do to, say, an ordinary assault.

    • Good morning, all.

      Our “as much as 5 to 8 inches” of snow has turned into 12 inches and counting. I can’t get out of the parking lot, so it looks like this is an unofficial snow day. 🙂

  11. Good to see you again Gary Herstein,

    Yes, violence is usually unplanned and is of course, direct.
    Plagiarism is calculated, not just to deceive but to be rewarded.

  12. Morning Zooey!

    zxbe—have you been watching the Pioneers of TV series on PBS?
    I saw the episode on Science Fiction on TV and they highlighted that episode as the absolute nadir of the entire SF genre. The cast said they couldn’t stop laughing out of embarrassment.

    • Good morning, 5th. 🙂

      Are you talking about the carrot guy episode? Srsly?

      I haven’t been watching that series. I enjoyed the old “Lost in Space” when I was a kid, but science fiction in general doesn’t appeal to me. Doctor Who isn’t science fiction, is it? 😯

      • I’m not sure I’d want to see Rove’s email…

        “Today, another girl was mean to me. I’ll get her! And that tall guy without a blubbery face, why does she want to go out with him instead of me? I’m huggable and squeezable…my mom told me so…Oh, George W! Why don’t you love me!!??”

  13. 5th, yeah I’ve watched some of the PBS Pioneers in TV, but hadn’t seen the Lost in Space one yet. But I’d read some years back about the cast rebelling against the complete absurdity of this episode.

  14. Last night somebody, probably O’Donnell or Matthews had on one of the Republicans from Wisconsin and asked him why Walker’s bill included the right for him to sell of Wisconsin water/power plants with no bids. The guy said that the plants were all failing and that they’d be lucky to have anybody offer to buy any of them so that bids weren’t an issue. WTF.

  15. “Doctor Who isn’t science fiction, is it?”

    Really, we need to hold an intervention for her. 😉

  16. I think that was indeed on O’Donnell, Shayne. I also, some days ago, think I recall hearing Walker himself say the same thing. It’s the Republican Mentality, the best way to do business. So if/when Koch or equivalent buys them each for for a crisp new ten dollar bill, the reaction should prove as interesting as Wisconsin’s new found prosperity.

    Kinda like when GM and Chrysler were going broke and needed cash so they sold their new cars for ten bucks each, right? I’d have bought one, but didn’t have ten bucks to spare.

    Republican mentality. Gives the word ‘oxymoron’ a new and expanded meaning.

    • Fuck you, Charles Koch. Fuck you for looting this country, helping to make so many of us poorer, and then heaping blame and shame on us for being poor. Yeah, I know you didn’t accomplish all this on your own. Afterall, you’ve had a compliant Congress for years, and your daddy got you started with a fat inheritance, so you never had to risk getting dirt under your nails — you prefer human flesh under your nails anyway, acquired as you claw your way to the top of your pile of money over the backs of every man, woman, and child in this country (and later the world).

      Fuck you.

  17. They can’t raise taxes because that loses jobs. So instead they lay off more workers and say oh well. They have to sell of power plants because they’re in disrepair and they can’t fix them no money. And they can’t raise taxes on the wealthy to fix them so they’ll sell them off and then the average guy buying services can pay twice the money to private purveyors. And that money won’t be deductible on their taxes whereas increased tax money would be. It’s one big circle jerk on the people in the middle and the poor.

  18. Charles Koch wasn’t crying about deficits when he was getting his tax breaks renewed. What a lying sack of crap.

  19. Does he really think the Koch brothers will welcome him into the fold, and make his family rich and comfortable for life?

    The Kochs will happily put their money behind candidates who agree with their economic agenda but disagree with their social agenda. They will never put their money behind candidates of whom the reverse is true.

    • badmoodman, I see the Koch brothers getting what they want from Walker and the other Repiggie govs, and then tossing them in the corner for the maid to clear away.

  20. Did you know the Koch brothers gave $10 million to the ACLU to fight the Bush administration over the PATRIOT Act?

    Strange days indeed….

  21. Oh wait, silly me….$10 million? Who’d believe that?

    Actually, it was $20 million.

    • badmoodman, that’s not surprising for Birchers like the Kochs. The ACLU is the debbil, until the Koch’s need them to do something.

  22. And I keep forgetting to mention that in most unions the members don’t pay a portion of their pensions or health benefits. Well at least that’s true in Chicago in the building trades and it’s true in the Automobile Mechanics union. Of course all you hear about is how only government workers don’t pay a portion. Makes me crazy.

    • Shit, I need to stop looking at the Zoo Borns site. I feel like I’m coated with sugar and baby animal drool. 😛

  23. The King’s Speech was the big winner at the Oscars.

    Now comes, The President’s Speech:

  24. Our governor’s big money raising plan was the sell off the state liquor stores and use the money to fund transportation. The idea lost a bit of its lustre after it was pointed out that much of the yearly revenue from the sale of liquor would disappear. I know little of the state of Wisconsin’s infrastructure,but I doubt their public owned utilities operate at a loss. could you ever be in a bad mood with that baby in your life?

  25. could you ever be in a bad mood with that baby in your life?

    Unfortunately he’s 130 miles south of here and we don’t see him as often as we’d like.

    Some day soon I’ll post of mug shot him at 4 months old. He has a look of “don’t screw with me.”

  26. hmm, god seems to be upset with Huck’s home state.

    Largest earthquake in 35 years hits Arkansas

    Where’s Pat Robertson to tell us it’s because of their embracing of the gay lifestyle that God has done this to them?

  27. The next time a governor, any governor, proposes cutting taxes, I wish the media would hold his or her feet to the fire and ask why they think cutting taxes will do anything but create deficits. I have never heard of a situation where cutting income tax rates (or corporate tax rates for everyone, not just new businesses moving in) brought economic prosperity to that state. Every time a governor has done that, the state ends up facing huge budget deficits for which the only solution seems to be cutting services for poor people (or medical care for dying people). They always claim it will create new jobs and it never, ever does.

    Perhaps we need to amend the federal Constitution to disallow states to put tax increases to a public vote. It’s time we acknowledge the simple fact that “the public” is too ill-informed to be making decisions about when taxes can be raised. (Of course, they are ill-informed because the politicians lie to them constantly, with the help of the media and Fox “News” Channel.) It’s just an idea off the top of my head. We let the states do too many ill-advised things without consequence. If we truly are to be the “United” States, then we need to rein in some of what we let the states do to their citizens. Sure, technically they have the option to up and move to another state. But practically speaking, that’s just not realistic.

    • Our media, Wayne? Never gonna happen, except maybe on Rachel, Ed, or Last Word — on that channel “no one watches.”

  28. Well said Wayne. All the tax breaks states grant corporations in order to entice them into their state seem pretty useless to me. If all a company is looking for is a low cost location, what state wants to get into a bidding war with a state like Mississippi? More often firms are selecting their location based on infrastructure, synergy with existing industries, a talented work force, quality of life, or proximity to the customer. They extract the tax breaks because they can.

  29. Outstanding, see Boeing in SC…

    And of course, their outsourcing and JIT scheudled parts that don’t quite fit together the way they used to when they were made by union labor in WA that now has the Dreamliner years behind delivery schedule thingy.

    How’d that work out for ya, Boeing?

  30. The really embarrassing thing about the utilities privatizing in Wi is that it is only for the operation. Repairs and such would still be billed to the state so when the Koch’s say they aren’t interested, they are lying. Where else can you get the benefits of running the business while someone else pays for the upkeep.

  31. How’d that work out for ya, Boeing?

    Well, it didn’t prevent Boeing from just snagging a $35 billion contract from the Air Force for aerial tankers, so I guess that didn’t matter.

  32. Is Rummy a misogynist or just hates Condi? Oh, wait answered my own question – both!

    He’s a condescending s.o.b. Snooty.

  33. I couldn’t never be a cat hoarder because I get irritated having to change one litter pan. Of course my cat pees like a racehorse the big lug.

  34. You would have thought that old Rummy would have known that the subject of an NSC meeting was probably National Security.

    I believe this is the 2nd time Boeing has won the tanker contract. EADS won it once, just before Boeing’s most recent win. It probably says more about the f’upedness of the Air Force’s procurement process than the merits of either firm’s proposal.

  35. I couldn’t never be a cat hoarder because I get irritated having to change one litter pan. Of course my cat pees like a racehorse the big lug.

    I think cat hoarders simply ignore the issue, Shayne. If the animals are really lucky, they get fed. Hygience? Not so much.

  36. Of course my cat pees like a racehorse the big lug.

    Personally, just for fun, I like to mix metaphors, just to see if anyone is paying attention. So I like to say things like, “I have to piss like a French racehorse.”

    Oh, well. Back to work. See ya later.

  37. Well, it didn’t prevent Boeing from just snagging a $35 billion contract from the Air Force for aerial tankers, so I guess that didn’t matter.

    No, it was a politically charged decision to be sure.
    But the tanker’s going to be built using the old method of manufacturing here in WA for the most part, and assembly in Everett…

  38. Always in awe of those able to take photos – especially capturing nature at her finest.
    My friend Ed keeps outdoing – check out these – especially the humming bird drinking water!

  39. Thanks for posting that zx.

    They should have thought about this before pushing through the corporations as citizens.

    Writing for the court, Chief Justice John Roberts emphasized that, ” ‘Personal’ ordinarily refers to individuals. We do not usually speak of personal characteristics, personal effects, personal correspondence, personal influence or personal tragedy as referring to corporations or other artificial entities.”
    The chief justice acknowledged that “adjectives typically reflect the meaning of corresponding nouns but not always” and cited as examples “corn” and “corny,” and “crank” and “cranky.”
    More broadly, Roberts said that when it comes to the word “personal,” little support exists, even in the law, for the notion that it refers to corporations.

  40. No problem ebb. Thanks for posting the stunning photos from your friend. Amazing.

    So, what I wonder is if a corporation is an artificial legal entity, why the court found that they have constitutional rights? The constitution doesn’t grant rights to any “artificial legal entities.”

  41. zxbe, that jasmine is heady stuff. Along with many thousands of Main Streeters.

  42. So, Huckabee is a birther after all.

    “I would love to know more. What I know is troubling enough. … If you think about it, his perspective as growing up in Kenya with a Kenyan father and grandfather, their view of the Mau Mau Revolution in Kenya is very different than ours because he probably grew up hearing that the British were a bunch of imperialists who persecuted his grandfather,” – Mike Huckabee.

    What’s more, he gets a myriad of facts wrong about Obama’s youth.

  43. Yeah, it’s not like the British were imperialists for goodness’ sake. They would have had something like a “British Empire”, which is just silly.

    • WI Repiggies are determined to circle the drain, aren’t they?

      All it took was ONE call, and Walker did a fine job exposing himself.

      • Our temps are rising and all the snow is compacting down.

        We’ve gone from a beautiful Snowcone Land ™ to slippery Slurpee World ™ in less than 24 hours.

  44. Wisconsin Republicans want to pass a bill making prank phone calls illegal.

    Why yes, let’s increase the role of government while at the same time suppressing free speech. Win/win!!

  45. The right is great at winning elections. Lets be honest about that. They’re good about messaging, and getting the media to buy into a narrative.

    But when it comes to governing, they just haven’t got a clue. It seems unimaginable that Walker could have gotten elected in the first place, except for the GOP messaging machine. He’s certainly demonstrated that he doesn’t have the chops for it.

  46. If there is an afterlife – or we get to ‘return’ to this earth after death – I’m placing an order this very moment, to be placed in my ‘permanent file’: please do not drop me in the

    We’ve gone from a beautiful Snowcone Land ™ to slippery Slurpee World ™ in less than 24 hours.

    • Heh. It’s an adventure out there, ebb!

      Tomorrow, it will rain, and we’ll have flood warnings issued. It’s a roller coaster ride!

  47. Oh man, the dreaded Mau Maus. And the Hucks in the Philippines. Or the dreaded Apaches! Holy Crap, here come the Huns! And the Mongols! And the Saracens. Jebus, are those Vikings beaching their boats at Battery Park?

  48. Timmeh – Interesting video. I won’t watch it agin…. I can’t…. the anguish….

    …but I think that every single “american” flag, until right up at the end, was either incorrect (tea partiers) or flying backwards.

    I mean, what was the camera man thinking? The director? The editor? Someone? I mean, sure, ya’ got lots of flags in there, but maybe most of them should have been filmed from the correct angle, and maybe they should be the current flag, and maybe, just maybe, not show the tea-partier’s desecration of the flag. Unless I saw all that wrong.

    Not that I’ve got anything about a flag — but its being used as a specific prop to deliver a specific… well, you get the idea.

  49. Huckabee and Pawlenty debating, that should be good for laughs. They’ll both be jockeying for position and the head teabagger. Literally.

  50. I think I will adopt pHuckabee as well.

    I was going to crack a pH joke, but do we really need to be so acidic?

  51. Beck’s outbursts worry conservatives

    Prominent US conservatives have begun to distance themselves from Glenn Beck, the radio and television host, after outbursts warning of a looming caliphate in the Middle East and likening Reform Judaism to “radicalised Islam”.

    Read rest at the Financial Times.

  52. Beck’s outbursts worry conservatives

    Glenn Beck, a man that has had more recent bad outings than Charlie Sheen, a man so cursed he makes the Libyan regime seem like a lottery winner.

  53. Poor Glen Beck. I fear that he will cry himself a river when he gets thrown under the bus. But on the bright side, he’s got lots and lots of strawmen to build a raft with!

  54. Is that the room where we get punished?

    I wouldn’t want to go to the Pun Room. I don’t think I’d be able to o-pun the door to get out.

  55. It seems the Right is finally realizing crazy just doesn’t get the job killed.

  56. Some how I get the punny feeling that Hooda, Badmoodman and myself will be spending a lot of time in that room.

  57. Yeah, zxbe and it will probably be the kitchen. They will use it as an excuse not to have to do dishes.

  58. Now how are they going to cook grilled cheeses? (Yes, I said “cheeses”) Zooey locked the kitchen!

    • Heh. The punsters can cook the grilled cheeses, since they’re in the pun room/kitchen!

      The rest of us will go on the flat food diet: Grilled cheeses, quesadillas, pancakes, waffles — all slid under the door. 😀

  59. We actually ‘invented’ them when we were camped in the deep woods near Log Springs in AZ’s Prescott National Forest. I looked at the ginger root, the bag of oatmeal, and the jar of molasses and got an idea.

    Then came immortality.

    Didn’t have stewed prunes though, but I can sense that would make for a nice combo.

  60. Straight from my own “Carpe DiNem” cookbook:

    Ginger Pancakes with Molasses
    and Oatmeal

    I suppose technically speaking, pancakes aren’t quite “bread”, but that’s all right, they’re not quite “cake” either! But these fellas, first ‘cooked up’ one grand morning in the pines at Log Springs, Arizona, are light, airy, tasty; and amazingly simple to mix up and prepare. As to whether they’re properly a bread, or properly a cake, well, what else are philosophers for?. For enough to serve two:

    1 cup buttermilk plus ½ cup water (OR 1⅓ cups cold water)
    1 Tbsp baking powder
    1 Tbsp olive or grape seed oil
    1 egg
    1 Tbsp robust molasses
    ½ tsp salt
    1 Tbsp finely minced fresh ginger*
    1 cup flour
    1/3 cup quick oats

    *grate the fresh (peeled) ginger root over the batter bowl, make sure the juice lands in there too.

    Mix all the ingredients together in a bowl and whisk until a smooth batter. Thinner batter makes lighter cakes, thicker batter makes heavy cakes – adjust to preference by modifying either the amounts of water or flour, but aim for just slightly on the thin side. Don’t overheat the griddle – medium is about right; pour a dollop of about a quarter cup of batter onto the center of the griddle and if the surface begins to bubble in about twenty seconds, the griddle is properly heated. When the surface bubbles, flip the cake with a spatula, the surface should now be a golden brown. Wait an additional twenty seconds and remove to a plate (check to make sure the underside is also a golden brown). The recipe should make about ten 4-6 inch pancakes; serve with butter or margarine and your favorite syrup.

  61. frugal, I’ve never really indulged/enjoyed pancakes or waffles etc. Syrup tends to make them acceptable but I prefer fruit and yogurt. And my palate has always leaned to tart and sour as a preference. (I eat grapefruit like apples)

  62. All I can say, Hooda, is that back in the fifties you obviously never went Boy Scout camping on the north shore of Lake Superior where scoutmaster Pete Johnson made “pannycakes” with fresh lake water!

  63. frugal, back in the 50’s I didn’t even know there was a Lake Superior. 😉

  64. And I was kicked out of the Boy Scouts because the Scoutmaster’s tent burned down. I had nothing to do with the bottle rockets.

  65. More like johnnycakes, Zooey. But frugal’s ginger cakes has me thinking.

  66. frugal, I think I was a Mexican (or the equivalent) in a previous life. I was raised in pancakes, sausage and eggs land but would much rather have a breakfast burrito. Good Huevos Rancheros for breakfast are just a dream.

  67. If the pun room is the same as the kitchen will we should have a lot of yokes to laugh at everyday! 🙂

  68. Friggin’ Huckabee

    Huckabee’s now withdrawn the statement that Obama grew up in Kenya and says he meant Indonesia. Here’s the original quote again:

    “One thing that I do know is his having grown up in Kenya, his view of the Brits, for example, very different than the average American … his perspective as growing up in Kenya with a Kenyan father and grandfather, their view of the Mau Mau Revolution in Kenya is very different than ours because he probably grew up hearing that the British are a bunch of imperialists who persecuted his grandfather.”

    Well now, how do you get a view of the Mau Mau revolution in Indonesia – so I don’t buy the misspoke bullshit. And Obama did not grow up with a Kenyan father and grandfather. Srsly, how can you have any understanding of Obama without knowing he yearned for his absent father and was brought up largely by his white mom and white grandparents? Then Huck’s spokesman denies that Huckabee indulged in birtherism.

    Huckabee seems a pleasant enough guy. But then you hear him on gays or on Israel/Palestine or on this kind of issue, and you realize just how extreme this “nice” man actually is.

    Jeebus Priebus, I do not suffer fools gladly.

  69. “Fish poop in that water”

    Yeah, but back in those days it was clean poop. Our little camp overlooked the mouth of the Gooseberry river; no people anywhere around, pure as the driven snow. To get the pancake water, Pete would give the tallest guy there a bucket and he’d walk into the lake till it was chin deep, fill the bucket, and head back to the pancake factory on the shore.

  70. Aww, Zooey. Thats so sweet. Some people will do anything for good food. 🙂

  71. Zooey, took me a second to catch that one. The volleys are going like a four foot ping pong table.

  72. From Huffpo:

    WISCONSIN–Sen. Mary Lazich, R-Waukesha, and Rep. Mark Honadel, R-Milwaukee, authored a bill that would prohibit tricking the call’s recipient into believing the caller is someone they are not for malicious purposes.

    The bill would make it illegal to defraud, cause harm or wrongfully obtain any information of value from using a caller identification service to transmit misleading or inaccurate caller identification information. It would also prohibit individuals from masking their voices or providing a fake phone number to the call recipient, said Jason Vick, spokesperson for Honadel.

    Jason Linkins ponders: “Aren’t there already laws against fraud and harassment and terrifying people in Wisconsin? Because this sort of makes it look like legislators are primarily motivated by the need to make “making Scott Walker look stupid” a criminal offense.”

    This is a slippery slope, people! It will mean the death of “Morning Zoo” type radio, not to mention Andrew Breitbsarts’s brand of investigative reporting—actually a lot of legit investigative reporting.

    • 5th, regarding the crank phone call bill.

      The fake “Koch” just let Walker go on and on, and when “Koch” made noises like he wanted to hang up, Walker just went on!

      Now, if we could only legislate away asshattery.

  73. Punning is sort of like playing in mud puddles. Some think they out grow it. Even resist a pie in the face. Once you dive in, you remember what fun is. Words are the greatest gift man has so it only makes sense we should play with them.

  74. Hooda, here’s my variation of a “breakfast” burrito:

    Nuevo Huevo Verditos

    These guys are unique. Breakfast? Lunch? Dinner? Sure, why not! They’re a sort of cross between a burrito, a chile relleno, and huevos rancheros. If the flour tortillas, green sauce, and *pemnic* powder (see “Seasonings” above) are pre-prepared and within reach, preparation time is about as long as it takes to scramble some eggs. Per serving, use the following:

    2 eggs
    1 Tbsp grape seed or olive oil (or melted butter)
    2 Tbsp chopped onion
    1 Tbsp chopped roasted green chiles (mild to hot, your choice)
    ½ tsp *pemnic* powder
    Salt to taste

    1 10″ flour tortilla (see ‘Breads’, below)
    4 Tbsp, more or less, green chile sauce (heated)
    ¼ cup shredded cheddar cheese, more or less

    Heat the oil in an iron skillet, add the chopped onion and chiles, and saute until the onions are softened and starting to clear. Crack the two eggs into the pan, then sprinkle the *pemnic* powder uniformly over the top. With spoon or spatula, scramble, and slowly cook over medium heat. Meanwhile, sprinkle about half the shredded cheese atop a flour tortilla and heat slowly, over low heat, in a comal until the cheese begins to melt. Don’t overheat – keep the tortilla soft. Remove the tortilla from the pan to a plate. When the eggs are finished, spoon them over the tortilla in a longitudinal ‘glump’ across the middle. Evenly spread 2-3 Tbsp of the green chile sauce over the top of the eggs, then roll the tortilla as if a burro. With the open side of the roll facing down, sprinkle the remaining cheese over the top and then spread another 1-2 Tbsp (heated) green sauce atop the cheese.

  75. 5th, the part about malicious purpose also fails. Malicious means with bad or evil intent.

  76. The neat thing about the bill in Wi on phone calls is it is sponsored by R’s. They obviously think they need legal protection from making fools of themselves.

  77. Sure, Hooda. You might want to edit out the “see above” and “see below” stuff, but yeah, go for it. Here’s one more breakfast delight, makes great use of pemnic powder:


    “Magnificent! eggs.” Scrambled (sort of). These guys are unique, a full and satisfying breakfast in themselves; they’re also a whole lot more ‘lean’ than scrambled eggs served with, say, chorizo, or with tocino (bacon). While eggs are always eggs, the secret here is in the buttermilk (which causes the egg mixture to rise almost pancake-like), the *Pemnic* powder which is ‘toasted’ for a moment and then becomes a surface coating only (as opposed to incorporated). The chiles add character and flavor, the onion powder serves to blend together and merge all the other flavors into something unique and memorable.

    For each serving:

    2 large eggs
    2 Tbsp low-fat buttermilk
    1 Tbsp chopped green chiles; mild, picante, your choice
    ½ tsp onion powder
    1 Tbsp butter
    1 medium tomato, diced
    *Pemnic* powder
    Salt and pepper to taste
    Non-stick spray

    Note: A five- or six-inch non-stick skillet is a requirement, Cast iron versions are inexpensive, will last forever, and work perfectly well; lighter weight not-stick skillets will also work just fine.

    To prepare, combine the eggs, buttermilk, and onion powder, then whisk until smooth; fold in the chopped chiles, and mix with a fork. Meanwhile, melt the butter in the small (non-stick!) skillet over medium-low heat (a too-hot skillet will cause problems). When the butter has melted, spread it out uniformly and sprinkle a generous covering of *Pemnic* powder uniformly over the entire surface of the pan (it should immediately toast and release a very hearty aroma). Next, immediately pour in the egg mixture so that it spreads to cover the entire pan. Lightly dust the top surface of the eggs with *Pemnic* powder, then stand by with spatula handy. The eggs will cook slowly; when they begin to congeal around the edges of the pan, tilt the pan a bit and use the spatula to push open a space into which the still liquid egg in the center can flow. Do this two or three times, or until the surface is no longer milky and the eggs are beginning to firm up across the pan. At this point, gently and carefully slip the spatula underneath the eggs, then flip the whole pad at once. After thirty seconds or so, invert a plate over the skillet and hold it there while you flip skillet and plate over so that the eggs land face up on the plate as a six-inch diameter disk. Add salt and pepper to taste, then cover with the diced tomato and serve.

  78. Maybe all of us should work together and make a Zoo cook book. Hmmm, we might want to call it something else.

  79. Oh, oh, brainfart. Frugal has contacts in the publishing world. The Zoo has one of the most awesome collections of cooks known. Zoo Commune needs financing.

  80. Friggin’ Huckabee


    Yes he DOES seem like a nice guy—but in FACT he’s a dangerous fundamentalist. Bush was just an idiot, Huckabee as Pres would be FAR worse.

    • pHuckabee is more insidious than Bush.

      Bush could almost draw you in, until he opened his mouth. pHuckabee has social skills and a true believer following (even if it’s not him they believe in).

  81. The king of all punsters hasn’t chimed in, yet, today!
    Cuervo (Raven) has the soft, magic touch of a smooth pun!

  82. Ok, I’m crazy and a dreamer. We have Zoosters from all over America and Europe. Lots of sources for recipes. We have the talent to assemble them, provide some copy. Maybe it won’t be a best seller but it definitely has possibilities.

  83. Oh man, I’m sort of rolling here. Combine recipes with pictures. Scenery, birds, all the other things we love to see here. A collage of Zoo efforts, desires and passions.

  84. I have a cookbook, mostly my own stuff, one that was based on my theory that everything I could cook at home I could cook over a campfire in the woods. It’s currently around 200 pages. I’ll happily toss as much of it into a Zoo project as needed, or as anyone can stand for that matter. 😉

    The only thing it doesn’t have much of is dessert, which I seldom eat anyway (unless it’s Polly Hawkins’ Cheesecake or my own Apple-Mangoe pie with oatmeal crust). Sigh.

  85. We have it all here. We have artists. We have administrators. We have cooks. We have word smiths. We have techies.

    And we have a joking dream of a Zoo Commune.

    With a little work the first can make the second happen.

    Transition. Aquarius. Shit, I can’t believe I’m even suggesting the possibility.

  86. Huckabee misspoke according to his spokesperson, he meant Indonesia, not Kenya. Simple mistake.


    “One thing that I do know is his having grown up in Kenya, his view of the Brits, for example, very different than the average American,” said the Fox host. “If you think about it, his perspective as growing up in Kenya with a Kenyan father and grandfather, their view of the Mau Mau Revolution in Kenya is very different than ours because he probably grew up hearing that the British were a bunch of imperialists who persecuted his grandfather.”

    And all THAT will unremarked by the usual corporate media suspects.

  87. Not to mention he is an excellent writer. A big glossy coffee table book. Pictures from Raven and zxbe and others, text from me, badmood, frugal and others, recipes from the whole lot of us.

    I’m getting excited.

  88. If there is a Zooster or Critter who couldn’t contribute something I will eat my boot.

    • Well Hooda, maybe one of us will decline to contribute, just for the fun of watching you enjoy your boot. 😀

  89. Aw Zooey…. I do do some amazing “photoons” , it’s true!

    Actually you haven’t seen the half of them yet. I should look into setting up a gallery type bloggy thing

  90. “I know that if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce it tastes much more like prunes than rhubarb does.”

    — Groucho

  91. If there is a Zooster or Critter who couldn’t contribute something I will eat my boot.

    Would you like the ‘honey-mustard’; ‘hickory bbq’ or just plain ketchup with that boot Mr. Hooda?

    (this Peregrine is kind of useless – I can work the land, though)

  92. Huckabee misspoke according to his spokesperson, he meant Indonesia, not Kenya. Simple mistake.

    Well, they are right next to each other, right? And the British were the imperial power in Indonesia, right? And the Mau Maus were very influential in Indonesia.

    Not that the British were ever imperialists, mind you. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

  93. Tales and recipes from across the US. Muse, witch1, lass, Gummitch, RUC, house, cagey, TtT and all the others. And Ev chiming in from Europe.

    • It sounds pretty cool, Hooda.

      Might be like herding cats, but that doesn’t mean it couldn’t work. Or be totally wicked awesome!

  94. Hey! Who turned out the lights?

    Or — “Christ, I’ve gone blind.” (from the drunken duel in the original Highlander movie)

  95. Oh.. can you see the gravitar? All I see is a great expanse of darkness. If it is correct, it is one of my pieces of art. Thanks.

  96. ebb, as Stitch said, ‘Ohana. “No one forgotten or left behind” (I do a wicked Stitch voice)

    All contribute. Pictures, words, knowledge.

  97. Oh… those are air raid sirens? I just thought my tinitus got suddenly worse.

  98. I just skimmed my ToC — it has the following categories (approx. number of recipes in parentheses):

    Seasonings (6)
    Sauces/Marinades (12)
    Breads (15)
    1. Chicken (17)
    2. Beef, Pork, Lamb (16)
    3. Seafood (10)
    4. Southwest (10)
    Stuffings and Sides (5)
    Soups (8)
    Vegetables (17)
    Desserts (3)

  99. Kenya is right next to Indonesia like Spain is right next to Saudi Arabia.

  100. The Zoo will continue to be. We will continue to chat. Opportunity? Talk is cheap but fun.

  101. Kenya is right next to Indonesia like Spain is right next to Saudi Arabia.

    Egypt abuts Iran!

  102. Well, education is not a top GOP priority. Geography is particularly lacking… (but Huckabee didn’t mispeak, he knew exactly what he was saying, and he was talking directly to the Travis Bickel’s in his base):

  103. Zooey, to put it together would require an administrator. Come June, I hear you might be looking for at least a part time job. I can see there isn’t a huge response here but I still think it has possibilities. I guess we just play things as they come.

    • Hooda, I think we’d have to do a dedicated post on the idea at some point. The Critters and Zoosters are scattered to the various topics this evening.

      If you could start collecting your ideas, we could collaborate on a post one day soon.

  104. What gummitch said.

    I can speak firsthand to this because for years Ginger went to MY gym at MY time and MY OH MY.

  105. I would love to be involved in the cokkin’ book idea, should the nefarious plot proceed, now or at any time in the near or distant future, or of any probable alternate future with sufficient entanglement, for as long as…. …. ….sorry…. I think the darkness is starting to get to me….

  106. I only have one idea , Zooey, That is the possibility of gathering Zoosters and Critters around the idea of putting together a coffee table book that includes pictures, recipes and tales. Capitalizing on the many talents we have here to make something.

  107. and I can;t remember the exact name of the recipe that her alter ego Jerri Blank provided, but it was brilliant and went like this:

    1 Can of Tinned Peaches

    Place unopened can in pot of water, bring to boil and simmer for ten minutes.
    Place unopened can in freezer and chill for 45 minutes
    Remove unopened can from freezer.
    Serve at room room temperature

  108. Tonight O’Donnell used up the last 19 minutes of his show on the Charlie Sheen fiasco, but this time he actually participated in the segment by interviewing the dickhead from the Today show, Jeff Rossen, who scored the Sheen exclusive that O’Donnell called “the journalistic coup of the year so far”. L O’D has sold out as far as I’m concerned! Thom Hartmann can do three hours of radio, and O’Donnell has to use a third of his hour for a burnout sitcom star?

    • House, I just skipped that segment last night, and I’ll skip it again tonight.

      Charlie Sheen needs mental help, not a frickin’ circus.

  109. cagey, not to worry – we understand completely. You are not alone in the ‘darkness’ – we see you ;>

  110. hoodathunk: “a coffee table book that includes pictures, recipes and tales. “

    Perfect! Good food and good company. That’s a ‘recipe’ (cough) for success!

  111. I’ve never felt so completely out of it. I do know who Charlie Sheen, and his dad and his brother. But I have no clue why everyone is suddenly talking smack about him, and how there are any political ramifications to whatever happened. And I refuse to go look it up. Instead, I’m fixing myself an Old Fashioned.

    So there.

    • Sounds good to me, gummitch.

      I read one quote that my son put on his facebook, but refuse to watch any video of this meltdown. It’s disgraceful.

  112. O’Donnell has to use a third of his hour for a burnout sitcom star?

    Sheen is pretty much a big fucking deal, especially in LA where LO’D does his show. Charlie Sheen is really THE single biggest television star on TV today and his show makes Warner Bros. and CBS megamillions. Sheen may be unbalanced but it’s a freakishly funny/sad story with huge financial implications.

    And don’t forget, O’Donnell is very close to Martin Sheen.

  113. Charlie Sheen is really THE single biggest television star on TV today.

    That’s why I watch old TV shows on Netflix.

  114. To my friends I’m just an equal in this whirlpool

    Magic mirror won’t you tell me please
    Do I find myself in anyone I see?
    Magic mirror if we only could
    Try to see ourselves as other would

    The left ones think I’m right,
    The right one think I’m wrong
    And many people look my way
    And many pass me by
    And in my quiet reflection I wonder why

  115. Re Charlie Sheen:

    A) 2-1/2 Men a rival to NBC comedies, so O’Donnell instructed to feature it on MSNBC to close the chapter on that rival.

    B) Charlie Sheen not David Vitter or Eliot Spitzer, but this story being treated as bigger than both.

    C) Charlie Sheen is not Michael Vick, or Gary Bonds et cetera, but THEY get a break and a second chance

    D) Charlie Sheen the person in private acted just like his character on the show—DUH! That’s why the show was written that way–DUH!

  116. But this high profile meltdown is perfect as a distraction from any real news that is going on right now — he’s a big star, this whole overly dramatic event (I assume from what I am hearing — I know nothing about the specifics) is just the thing to keep lots and lots of people gossiping about it, and that means they won’t be spending as much energy looking at or for other news — they will be more interested in the shiny object that keeps popping up on the front page. When this lags, there will be another to take its place.

  117. Oh wow, if you haven’t watched or heard the Sheen interviews you’ve missed real life cinema verite.

    Maybe it’s just me because of this town and this business but Sheen is entertainment unlike that Oscar telecast. I think he has overreached as badly as Scott Walker but in Hollywood the only bad press is no press.

    • badmoodman,

      I’ve never been able to gain entertainment value from disintegration of a mind, humiliation, or truly despicable/hurtful behavior. That’s why I can’t watch Charlie Sheen’s meltdown or shows like Survivor or American Idol.

      I know they must hold some attraction because all of those things are quite popular, but I just can’t bear it.

  118. ebb, you re just right just as you are. And possibly more than you suspect. That’s the burden of being human.

  119. But Charlie Sheen has screwed himself on this one, and screwed the production team over because he’s become remarkably selfish.

  120. Next up in Hollywood…Charlie and Lindsey?

    Tiger duffs.

    NASCAR has a flat.

    WWF sponsors a cooking show?

  121. CBS boss Les Moonves said about the show, “I hope it’s back.” CBS and Warner Bros. have not written “Men” off entirely for next season. When millions of dollars are at stake, strange bedfellows can find a way to get cozy.

  122. 5th, if you are trying to reply to a troll that is already being deleted you get that error message.

  123. Zooey.

    The shows you mention strike me as perfect right-wing fodder.

    Both demand that individual ambition trumps collective effort or acknowledgment of the contributions of others.

    Survivor is particular in this regard, especially with its arbitrary tests and the requirement that everyone act politically until the opportunity arises for them to act utterly selfishly, the reward going to the most ruthless.

    • 5th, I think those kinds of shows reveal a rotten underbelly of humanity, and it just makes me cringe.

      My sister proudly proclaims that her family has never missed a single episode of Survivor, and seems to think of it as some sort of bonding opportunity. Maybe she’s right. The one time Zoo Jr and I watched that show — and my sister’s urging — we bonded over the hope that none of those horrible people made it off the island.

      It’s just so much bread and circuses, to keep the unwashed masses from paying attention to what’s happening around them. And it’s working.

  124. badmoodman, that is quite a glowing review, and while I am vehemently passionate about free artistic expression, there is still some art that I choose not to subject myself to. Sometimes because it is done too well.

  125. badmoodman.. Ah, San Fernando. . I flew over it once. going from LA to Oakland… trying to reme,ber who the game show host was that was on the plane along with the rest of us passengers ( about 8 people other than the game show host and his crew).

  126. I get the distinct feeling that once badmoodman retires he’ll be seeing the South Land in his rear view mirror.

  127. Lawrence O’Donnell was a producer/writer on West Wing and so he is particularly close to Martin Sheen. I think he just feels so bad for his friend and as he pointed out this meltdown could and does happen in any family. If he was poor Charlie would already be in prison. And how many people end up in prison because they have this kind of meltdown. If Charlie is on the wagon like he claims then he’s gone completely nuts which is harder to cure than drug abuse.

  128. Zooey…

    Survivor MIGHT have been an illuminating show IF the prize at the end weren’t so evident and the ostensible object was just to survive.
    But the object of the show is to COMPETE as an individual and the participants are chosen precisely because of their competitiveness—it is self selecting really.

  129. I love California and would move there in a heartbeat if my husband would go. Stop crabbing badmoodman!

  130. Hey I have recipes. And I’m sure I can provide them about a week after the book goes into print. Oy.

  131. Retire?

    Ya know the Tom Hanks’ film Cast Away? Most people think it would be so awful to live alone on that island for four years. I think Hanks’ mistake was leaving the island.

  132. Shayne… ah but which bit of Cali?
    If yo want to live in an Earthquake/mudslide/forest fire zone that’s permantently in debt due to insane tax laws, go right ahead.

    IMHO, Lake Tahoe is the spot to be.

  133. Shayne, remember to swing by the Bay Area if you make it out this way.
    (I’m still thinking BC, instead of Portland, for the commune. Nothing against Portland – we just need the ‘privacy’ of being able to crawl into the forest – getting ‘lost’ from the rest of the world)

    • I love the Bay Area. I went to middle and high school there, and a few years later Zoo Jr was born there.

      The problem is that SO MANY other people have such great taste, too!

  134. Cagey – your wonderful gravatar has shown up —— is that your hand playing the guitar?
    A great artsy color thing going on there!

  135. badmoodman: “I think Hanks’ mistake was leaving the island.”

    Ever hear of “Desert Island Discs”?

    Desert Island Discs is a long-running BBC Radio 4 programme first broadcast on 29 January 1942. It is the second longest-running radio programme (surpassed only by the Grand Ole Opry, 28 November 1925), and is the longest-running factual programme in the history of radio.[1] Originally devised and presented by Roy Plomley, each week a famous guest (“castaway”) is asked to choose eight pieces of music, a book and a luxury item for their imaginary stay on the island, while discussing their lives and the reasons for their choices. The programme’s famous theme is By the Sleepy Lagoon composed by Eric Coates in 1930. Since 2006 it has been presented by Kirsty Young.–Wikipedia

  136. I am not picky about California. It just has to be somewhere not too Republican.

  137. each week a famous guest (“castaway”) is asked to choose eight pieces of music, a book and a luxury item for their imaginary stay on the island,

    Does the island have electricity?

    Cast Away Director Robert Zemeckis was asked at a Q&A session at USC what was in the unopened packaged that Hanks delivered after he was rescued. Zemeckis replied that it was a waterproof, solar-powered, satellite phone.

  138. I am not picky about California. It just has to be somewhere not too Republican.

    Stick with the Bay Area then and stay away from inland.

  139. Ebb – The guitarist is a friend who was in several of my youthful band efforts, though I do play. It can’t be seen here, but my face is in the bubbles. The image is a composite of two original fractals and two photos (and lots of filters and layers). Oh, and that WordPress “use your best version, we’ll shrink it”…. ummmm…. I had to reduce the image 6 (count ’em, 6) times before it was small enough to be uploaded. Fibbers. (o.k., not really upset. It’s a big image actual size).

  140. Who’s this Sheen fellow? Any relationship to Fulton J.? Am I missing something?

  141. Zooey.. American Made Products!

    COOL FIND! I just bookmarked it.

    I caght some of Diane Sawyers “Made In America” series this week.

    What a pathetic effort at journalism it is:

    It’s 2011, she and her production crew have only just this minute noticed how many products are Made in China, and the series tries to generate some outrage over the fact that souvenir crap sold in Washington DC is 99% Chinese made!

    Why isn;t this CRAP made in the US? she wonders. IS THIS NOT A NATIONAL SHAME?!!!

    OH, the American-made Abraham Lincoln Gettysburg Address baseball cap costs twice as much as the Chinese made “I Heart Lincoln” baseball cap !


    Crap Made in China for the US is cheaper than crap Made in the USA for the USA. It makes you THINK, doesn;t it? Tut-tut and pained expression, the end until the next startling revelation.

  142. Ebb — No, I’m in St. Louis, in the middle of the midwest.

    Zooey — (Said in the Doctor’s voice) “Cowboy boots are cool.”

  143. The nine counties, in the Bay Area, are the best. We’ve lots of Universities (read: intelligent; free thinking many progressives).
    If you feel the need for snow – drive a few hours to the Sierra (Tahoe is nice).
    Need some ocean air – a few miles.
    Be prepared: there is NO rain in the summer. One can plan outdoor activities without having a contingency plan if the weather become inclement.

  144. The only good thing I have to say about LA summers is there are rarely, if ever, mosquitoes.

  145. cagey,
    How can St. Louis be in the middle of the middle west if it is the gateway to the west. Seems that it would be on one side or the other.

  146. Cowboy boots, a bowtie, a fezz, and not much else. And with that disturbing image, I bid you all a grand and glorious evening. I am way past my bedtime. 🙂

  147. Walt – Bishop Sheen is still dead! So no, you’ve missed nothing.

    Are you on the mend?

  148. badmoodman… re; Castaway.

    Very droll.

    Desert Island Discs assumes that the discs in question are gram-o-phone records to be played on a hand-cranked device engineered to reproduce the human voice via the….etc and so on.

  149. Walt, damnit, I need to go to bed…. it is the gateway that is everywhere and nowhere, it is the beginning and it is the end; verily, it is Yog Sothoth….

    …in a bowtie, fezz, and cowboy boots. ;}

  150. Mr. Q on TP: “I guess all the tpers are watching the charlie sheen interview.”

    Heh, Mr. Pee is lonely. Suck it.

  151. Ebb,
    It only hurts when I breath, but I am staying away from the alternative.

    Seriously, I am on the mend. It only seems to be taking forever.

  152. WaltTheMan
    How can St. Louis be in the middle of the middle west if it is the gateway to the west. Seems that it would be on one side or the other.”


    NEVER give an engineer vague specifics like that! 😀 He will beat you into submission with your own parameters and vectors and what not.

    How are the ribs, Walt?

  153. Well if it’s mosquito avoidance you’re after… do not go to Minnesota in the summer. It’s a non-stop mosquito feeding frenzy.

  154. You have to wonder how anyone could just be waking up to realize how much of our crap is made in China and miss the salient fact that no matter where it’s made, it’s still crap.

  155. Taylor Mali – excellent. He could be the twin of my nephew-in-law who is a teacher of special needs students. The same vigor and enthusiasm to teach. “Egan” also lets those who ‘talk down and dirty’ about teachers ‘where to go’.

  156. Outstanding….

    Indeed. All my Chinese made products ( 95% of my computer system) is excellent quality, and then the crap that China also makes is often exactly as crappy as American made American crap, for less! And Diane Sawyer ‘s keen journalistic TV-news anchor mind is just beginning to grapple with this decade -old fact.
    What it all means, to her I can’t wait to find out. 😀

  157. The BMW X3 is completely assembled and built in South Carolina.

    So, is that a ‘Merican car?

  158. The Encino Chamber of Commerce named Badmoodwife Teacher Of The Year 2009-2010 in the Valley.

    Just sayin’.

  159. Wonderful – thank you Badmoodwife for being an excellent teacher! We have great respect for those who impart their wisdom to the next generation!

  160. At least for me, there is no group I hold in higher regard than special education teachers. They have freed my child from the prison of his intellectual disability in ways that my love and dedication could not, and they chose that profession, not for the material gain or prestige, but simply to allow another to achieve their highest potential.
    I sometines share boring stories of my child’s point of view. We are studying the early settlement of the english colonies, plantation economy, cash crops, etc. His question tonight was “What will we do if we make too much money at market?”. While this has thus far not been a problem, I explained that we used our profit to provide for our family. He asked, “What if we still have too much?” and I told him in that case we would give our excess food to those without. He found that an acceptable answer. I may be raising a budding communist, in the best and christian sense of that word.

    • Outstanding, I feel the same way. Special ed teachers are truly special people.

      Your son is a real sweetheart. 🙂

  161. Outstanding – not boring at all – I wait to read Outstanding, Jr’s take on the world. I love the innocence and straight forward thought.
    I’ll hug a tree and tend the hives with Jr – anytime!

  162. My sister-in-law worked 12 or 13 years with Apple as a something engineer.
    She’d alway wanted to be a teacher – went back to University – this is her third year of teaching 1st grade. She’s loves to see the ‘light bulb’ moments in her students faces when things click.

  163. I worked 25 years as a something engineer for Lockheed-Martin and always had a self-serve vegetable stand in my lab. May we all wind up where we are truly meant to be ebb.

  164. Early? It’s after midnight here so I’m off as well. Rest well friend.

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