Sunday Roast: The Real Boston Tea Party

The Tea Party got its start in 2009, when the Koch brothers-funded, right-wing, big corporation loving, group “Freedom Works” picked up on the silly and selfish rant by Rick Santelli, wherein he called for a “Chicago Tea Party,” due to his opposition to President Obama’s idea to help out homeowners who were in trouble with their mortgages.

Low information voters all over the United States began turning out in droves that summer of 2009 to protest that they were “Taxed Enough Already” and reeling from the dreadful hazard of providing health care to all Americans, delivered hundreds of thousands of teabags to a park near the White House, and were seen sporting hats with teabags stapled to the brims.  They proclaimed themselves “teabaggers,” until the snickers and guffaws caused them to research the term with the Google, and then they retreated to calling themselves “tea partiers.”

They remembered to bring their signs with clever (and usually mis-spelled) tax-related sayings; they gleefully marched with their signs featuring the President as Hitler, an African witch doctor, and the Joker — although what those signs had to do with taxes or health care is still a mystery to me; and they held their Gadsden flags high in the breeze.

What they didn’t remember to do was actually read the history behind the Boston Tea Party.  To put it factually and bluntly, if this were 1770s America, the tea partiers would be loyalists to the British Crown.  What!?

Thom Hartmann explains it clearly in the video above — in case you didn’t remember your grade school history classes (I’m looking at you, teabaggers) — or if you just never knew in the first place.

The real Boston Tea Party was a protest against huge corporate tax cuts for the British East India Company, the largest trans-national corporation then in existence. This corporate tax cut threatened to decimate small Colonial businesses by helping the BEIC pull a Wal-Mart against small entrepreneurial tea shops, and individuals began a revolt that kicked-off a series of events that ended in the creation of The United States of America.

They covered their faces, massed in the streets, and destroyed the property of a giant global corporation. Declaring an end to global trade run by the East India Company that was destroying local economies, this small, masked minority started a revolution with an act of rebellion later called the Boston Tea Party.

Yep, that’s it.  A protest against the King giving a huge tax break to the biggest corporation in existence at the time, which would have the effect of crippling colonial merchants.

No, it was not a protest against excessive personal taxes or taxation of corporations — this is what Freedom Works and the Koch brothers would like us all to believe, and luckily for them, the tea partiers bought it, hook, line, and sinker; and they have happily and diligently worked against their own interests ever since.

This is our daily open thread — Do you think we can find common ground with the tea party, and find a way to work together against our common enemy?


100 thoughts on “Sunday Roast: The Real Boston Tea Party

  1. Those low information, undereducated, will we be attacking Africa next, the House version becomes law etc… voters and the dumbf**ks that they placed in office are corporate tools and they don’t even realize it. These very same people would cut off their nose to spite their face.

  2. Finding common ground with today’s Tea Party is essentially not possible unless all the options on the table demand the same final solution, i.e. the destruction of the constitutional republic aka the USA. I suspect it’s roughly the same challenge that non brain-dead Germans had in finding common ground with the emergent Nazi fascists.

  3. Curiously, the British East India Company was, for many Americans, an instrument of wealth accumulation in the early 19th century. Samuel Russell, an American opium smuggler (and cousin to William Huntington Russell, founder of Yale’s Skull and Bones society in 1832), had a factory in Canton China. A fellow named Warren Delano Jr. (FDR’s grandfather) worked for Russell’s Canton operation, and investors included family names such as Cabot, Coolidge, Forbes, Higginson, and Sturgis among others. Lots of money came from the opium trade, apparently enriched lots of family names that still ring a bell even today. One has to suspect, i.o.w., that Tea Party resistance to the B.E.I.C. didn’t enjoy total support by the emerging wealthy blue-bloods.

    Not all that different from today, actually. I mean, if the modern Tea Party was going after today’s money cows (the MIC, for example) instead of social assistance programs, how much influence would they have? Precious little, probably.

  4. 100 kids start their freshman year of high school.

    Four years later, 75 kids graduate. (but no high school I am aware of ever reports this 25% attrition)

    25% of the adult population does not have a high school diploma.

    Now, of the 75 kids that graduate, 70% have less than a B average. Round that down to 52 kids graduate High School with a C average or less.

    77 out of 100 of the adult population has a C average, or less, or didn’t even graduate high school.

    This is why 3-word phrases are so effective. The vast majority of Americans cannot, or do not want to, exercize the cognitive reasoning skills necessary to grasp anything more than that. They respond to simple saying that seem to make sense and that appeal to visceral reactions. They fear what they don’t understand, and find great comfort in believing the Man in the Sky will take care of them if they would only purge gays from their midst, keep women and girls from having abortions, and get rid of foreigners.

    There are, essentially, two ways to win the hearts and minds of these folks. The first is to become adept at using simplistic 3-word phrases.

    The other is to destroy their belief in the Man in the Sky. And the only way to do that, is to let them have everything they want. When they have obtained everything the Man in the Sky demands of them – when they have outlawed abortions, killed or incarcerated gays, driven off all foreigners, liberals, intellectuals, and every other scapegoat – i.e. when they have “purified” America and still find themselves destitute while the rich have all of the wealth, then, and only then, will their faith in the Man in the Sky be shaken. Of course, by then, the population of the United States will have been reduced by about 2/3, as well.

    One cannot cure those who choose to be willfully ignorant. Rational discourse is doomed before it even begins. One must lead them, as one leads a recalcitrant kindergartener, with simple words, and simple steps…and no more than one step at a time…and with the willingness, if necessary, to take them by the hand and drag them to where they’re supposed to be, while they kick and scream the whole way.

  5. “Low information voters”

    Is this some kind of a nice way to say “people who are dumber than a box of hammers”?
    (believe me, I don’t hate hammers)

  6. “I mean, if the modern Tea Party was going after today’s money cows (the MIC, for example) instead of social assistance programs, how much influence would they have? Precious little, probably.” – Frugal

    If the modern Tea Party used the Forbes Fortune 500 as a hit list, they would have a lot of influence. Imagine what would happen if the wealthiest of this country saw angry mobs decending on their mansions, going all French Revolution and killing off the aristocrats?

  7. Vinyl,

    I don’t think it’s a matter of being dumb – I think it’s a matter of choosing to not want to learn. There’s a fear that goes with learning – a fear that one will learn one has been wrong. Being wrong threatens the ego, hence learning that one is wrong threatens the ego. To protect the ego, one avoids any situation whereby one might discover one is wrong. A forced insanity ensues, where the ego accepts any lie that protects the ego from admitting it was ever wrong.

  8. Great post, Zooey. Thanks for putting this one in a thread of its own.

    Excellent comment, BnF. I was going to say that rational discourse with these people (The Teabaggers) is not possible unless we can find common ground with them, but since they seem to live in a universe of their own, I’m not sure common ground can be found. They seem to believe so many incorrect things that it’s hard to imagine “turning” them to our side, since our beliefs are based more on facts than are theirs.

    They fell for the bullshit that they are “taxed enough already”, and yet not one of them seemed to understand that because of the Bush and Obama Tax Cuts, they were paying less in federal income taxes than they ever have in their lifetimes (especially the folks who paid taxes during the Eisenhower years.) If they are paying more in taxes overall, it’s because their states and local governments had to raise taxes to make up for the deficits caused by the federal government cutting aid to states (which was necessary because of the tax cuts.) By demanding that federal taxes be cut even more (which the republicans would happily do under the guise of “Doing what the people want,” as if they ever cared what the people wanted before), they are only making the problem worse.

    Republicans, no matter what they tell you, do not believe in government. They talk a lot about “big government”, but it’s just a buzzword phrase for them with no clear meaning. They don’t define the term so that they can use it whenever they want. This also allows them to ignore obvious contradictions between what they say they are against and what they try to pass into laws. I mean, requiring women who have had a miscarriage to prove it was natural or face imprisonment is about as “big government” as you can get. But try to point this out to them and they’ll probably tell you that by “big government” they mean too much spending. When you point out to them that under the Bush years , and when Republicans controlled the House, spending was way out of control, and deficits were huge because of the Bush Tax Cuts, they’ll tell you “big government” means too many government agencies. When you point out to them that this number also increased under Bush, they’ll tell you “big government” means reaching into our lives to much. Try to go back to the first point about pregnant women, and you get, “That’s all the time we have, we’ll have to leave it right there.”

    They use the term “big government” because it evokes en emotional reaction in people. And they also know that when people are driven by their emotions, they make bad choices. And they also know that what they want is not in the best interests of the people, and that, for the people, voting Republicans into office would be a bad choice. So they know that the only way they can win elections is to convince people to make bad choices, and the best way to get them to make bad choices is to keep them in a constant state of fear an anxiety. When people think, Republicans lose. And the Republicans know this. And that’s why they like the Teabaggers so much.

  9. “Republicans, no matter what they tell you, do not believe in government.” -Wayne

    I beg to differ with you. Republicans believe in government. They believe government must regulate and control what goes in and out of a woman’s vagina and a man’s rectum. They believe government must force all people to believe as they do. They believe government must protect corporations from lawsuits that try to hold corporations accountable for the ills they cause.

    I could go on, but … you know.

  10. Republicans love government that controls the lives of the little people. If they can keep them fighting amongst themselves the R’s will be free to rape, pillage and profit. Regulating bedrooms sells more cheap crap on their infotainment outlets.

  11. I should have been more precise. I believe that Republicans do not believe in using government to benefit the People, no matter what they say (to the People.) More irony, considering they like to bill themselves as “the Party of Lincoln.” Today’s Republicans are trying to destroy what the Civil War was meant to preserve, “…that government of the people, by the people, for the people.” The Republican Governor of Michigan wants to be able to turn control of any municipality in Michigan over to a corporation, on his say-so alone. And you are right in that they want to use government so that corporations can be treated as citizens, but without being held accountable for their transgressions, like any ordinary citizen would.

    I should also add that Conservatives do not believe in The Commons. They do not believe that Society, as a whole, must pay for and maintain the infrastructure that makes our way of life possible. And their mantra that “the free market can do it better” is some of the most inane bullshit ever. Nobody ever challenges them on what they mean by “better”! To my mind, it’s clear that by “better” they mean “more profitably”, as if the only measure of something’s worth is how profitable it is, not how necessary it is. I still insist that as far as Conservatives are concerned, if something can’t be done so that a private citizen or corporation can make a profit doing it, then it isn’t worth doing at all. They equate social worth with financial worth. Pay millions of taxpayer dollars each year to keep that road maintained? Nah. Charge people money to drive on it and use that money to maintain it? Perfect! Now, which private corporation will we give the road to so they can do all that?

    I have to wonder if, evolutionarily speaking, there is something “unevolved” about Conservatives. I’ve heard the expression (and Churchill wasn’t the first to say it), “A twenty-year-old who isn’t Liberal has no heart, but a forty-year-old who isn’t conservative has no brain.” I would add that this means a forty-year-old who isn’t Liberal has no heart. Is there some point at which people stop caring about each other and start caring only about themselves? Worse than that, some of these people care only about the kind of people they wish to be, like the rich. So they fight for the rights of rich people to keep more of their unnecessary wealth, because they hope to one day be one of them.

    Conservatism does not build Societies, Liberalism does. Conservatism builds Kingdoms, but it doesn’t build Societies.

  12. More irony, considering they like to bill themselves as “the Party of Lincoln.”

    But they are! And Rolls Royce, Mercedes, Cadillac, Ferrari…

    • Wayne, I’ve never been concerned that you were not teachable. 😉

      Awesome comments today — all y’all.

  13. Transocean gives bonuses after Gulf of Mexico BP spill

    The offshore drilling firm responsible for running the Deepwater Horizon rig has given its top executives bonuses for its “best year” for safety.

    Transocean was blamed along with BP and Halliburton after last year’s massive spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

    Eleven workers, nine of whom worked for Transocean, died when the Deepwater Horizon exploded almost a year ago.

    But Transocean said there had been a drop in the rate of recorded incidents and also in their potential severity.

        • Going through STUFF, I found this quote from Thom Hartmann:

          Conservatives believe government must be restrained and controlled because its made up of flawed human beings. Corporations are essentially independent and totally without morality (without immorality or evil). Being ammoral is less dangerous in the conservative minds, than a government controlled by humans — because humans are, at their core, evil.

          It just boggles the mind, doesn’t it?

          • Hmmmm, here’s an idea for you talented writers:

            I would love it if someone with the wit of O. Henry would write a short story about Terry Jones or Reich Limpballs or Michelle Bachmann or a CEO reaching their appointment for final judgment.

  14. Zooey, I’ve got a couple of ideas. Nice distraction and the blog needs some fresh stuff.

  15. >>They remembered to bring their signs with clever (and usually mis-spelled) tax-related sayings; they gleefully marched with their signs featuring the President as Hitler, an African witch doctor, and the Joker <<
    Great post Zooey.
    here in east bumfuck there are the T folks that get on Main st every Friday afternoon and have their signs of Obama just as described above. There are also IMPEACH signs nailed to trees around town. And signs to watch Fox News – which is stated to be the ONLY true news.
    Gag me.

  16. Zooey – I got your email and replied a few minutes ago. LOL check the Zoo email!

  17. Spring and we are anticipating egg hatchings – soon. The song is a bit of fun nonsense…

  18. Conservatives believe government must be restrained and controlled because its made up of flawed human beings. Corporations are essentially independent and totally without morality (without immorality or evil). Being ammoral is less dangerous in the conservative minds, than a government controlled by humans — because humans are, at their core, evil.

    And yet they think they are the best people to be in government. Do they listen to what they are saying?

  19. And yet they think they are the best people to be in government. Do they listen to what they are saying?

    Wayne, Wayne, Wayne – their ego tells them all is well.

  20. I think instead of dividing the country up into Conservatives and Liberals, we should start referring to conservatives as authoritarians and liberals as freedom or the benevolent ones…

    I grew up in the 60’s where it was ok to question authority — in fact even encouraged. And Liberals were not a bad thing, especially the way that JFK defined it. But since the 80’s, there has been a systematic undermining of the liberal message by the right… with the help of the destruction of the fairness act and the consolidation of the media into corporate hands.

    It is hard not to make liberalism sound like a bad thing to tea party afficianados. Tolerance and compassion and cooperation all seem weak in the minds of people that want people to fight back. You can even here it from progressives when they don’t think that our leaders are being strong enough. They are mostly older citizens that don’t want people messing with the government entitlements that they rely on (not even recognizing the irony of this at all) or younger people that have been propagandized over the last 30 years to believe that government is a bad thing and libertarianism is the answer ( never mind that there has never been a successful libertarian society ever in existence – ever- not one- zilch – nada- null set).

    Individually, I think that we can agree on certain points with the teabaggers – mostly that we should stop sending American jobs overseas- but they have blinders on and if anyone mentions the word Democrat or liberal or progressive to these people, the walls go up, the blinders go on and nothing is agreed on from there.

  21. LibertyLover,

    You need not apologize for a lengthy comment, especially when it’s as good as yours.

    never mind that there has never been a successful libertarian society ever in existence – ever- not one- zilch – nada- null set

    I believe that’s because “Libertarian Society” is an oxymoron.

    If I may, I’d like to recommend a few things. There’s a great website called . They believe that our political beliefs should be classified according to not only the Conservative-Liberal scale but also the Authoritarian-Libertarian scale. On a scale of one-to-ten in each direction, I rate about an 8 on both the Liberal and Libertarian scales.

    Second, a great paper written by Professor Jonathan Haidt called “What Makes People Vote Republican”. You can find it here:

    And, third, if you haven’t read it already, I recommend David Brock’s “The Republican Noise Machine.” It talks about the rise of Conservative control of the media and how it helped bring us to where we are today.

  22. LL asked, in her comment on the Newsletter covers, “What are the birds in the top photo cover?”

    Those are American Avocets, LL, and they hang their hat with numerous other species of waterfowl at the Gilbert Water Ranch — not all that far from you — in Gilbert AZ. Photos of lots of them are posted on my blog, just click on my name above and follow the trail to anything by Denny Green.

  23. As big of a prick as Jerry Pournelle is, at one point in his life he got it right, or pretty close to right. I believe his chart sums up the reality better than any Left-Right spectrum.

  24. As one psychologist said to me once the average IQ is 100 and when you talk to somebody who has a 100 IQ it is frightening how dumb they are. That being said what chance do these people have to “get it” when the right wing propaganda headed by Fox is so prolific. I’m pretty sure the people of the USSR knew that Pravda was propaganda but too many Americans have no clue about Fox. We are doomed.

  25. Wayne, I’ve visited that political compass site before and always score as I did again a few minutes ago: a bit to the South and West of both Gandhi and the Dalai Lama. Problem with it is that I don’t like the term “Libertarian” posed as being the opposite of “Authoritarian”, probably because extreme libertarianism on the right side of the political spectrum seems IS authoritarian.

    Still, I always come up in the same quadrant as Gandhi and the Dalai Lama (the functional/diagonal opposite of GWBush), and that part I can appreciate.

  26. Shayne, the Right doesn’t play to the 100 IQ crowd. They are more aimed at the room temperature bunch.

  27. Wayne, Frugal and gummitch— little did I know that I was going to get homework on a Sunday!

    So much new stuff to explore. I’v never seen an Avocet before. Interesting… I may have to explore the Gilbert Water Ranch.

    What makes Jerry Pournelle a prick?

    Hooda, can’t wait to read your story…

  28. via C&L

    Sen. Charles Schumer, D-New York, said he doesn’t regret reporters overhearing him telling Democratic colleagues that Republican budget cuts should be painted as “extreme.”

    Schumer and Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., sparred on just where the Tea Party political movement stood in relationship to the American people, in an exclusive political debate on “This Week.”

    Schumer stood by the remarks he made when he was apparently unaware his microphone was open to reporters.

    “I have no problem with reporters hearing that,” Schumer told anchor Christiane Amanpour. “I said a few hours before [the call] on the floor of the Senate. I’ve said it on this show. The Tea Party is the group standing in the way. They are extreme,” he insisted.

    “Any group that says you don’t cut oil subsidies to companies making billions and billions of dollars – subsidies that were passed when the price of oil was $17 to encourage production, and now the price is over one-hundred [dollars], and at the same time says: cut student aid to help qualified students go to college. Yeah, I believe they’re extreme.”

    On that conference call earlier in the week, Schumer said, “I always use the word extreme, that is what the caucus instructed me to do the other week — extreme cuts and all these riders. And, uh, Boehner’s in a box. But if he supports the Tea Party there’s going to inevitably [be] a shutdown.”

    Okay, so reporters are asking Schumer if he really meant to use the word “extreme”. Why aren’t they asking him why “the caucus instructed” him to use that word?

  29. Wayne- David Brock’s book has been on my reading list, but my list is pretty long, I’m never going to get to everything on it.

    I have a recommendation for people to read the book Freethinkers by Susan Jacoby if you have the time.

  30. Wayne, far as I’m concerned, no matter who said it or who suggested someone say it, the word “extreme” is actually a MILD descriptor of the tea party movement. RADICAL would be better, FASCIST better yet; and neither “radically extreme” nor “radically fascist” would be an overstatement.

    Plus, I’d like to see the teabagger response if someone spoke such truths about them at a huge gathering. Great day for toilet paper sales, I’m thinking.

  31. Sen. Butters said Congress might need to limit some forms of freedom of speech, in light of Tennessee pastor Terry Jones’ Quran burning, and how such actions result in enabling U.S. enemies.

    “I wish we could find a way to hold people accountable. Free speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war,” Graham told CBS’ Bob Schieffer on “Face the Nation” Sunday.

    This is exactly the kind of thing the First Amendment is designed to protect. And remember that wars now have no end, and therefore the liberties taken away by wartime are permanently taken away. Radicals win.

  32. Zooey,

    Next time – First place two layers of paper toweling over the entire floor. Next, working back towards the doorway, apply a gentle soaking of bleach to the paper toweling. Wait 2-3 hours and pick up the toweling with a plastic dust pan and a plastic putty knife washing the floor as you go. The debris should be dumped into a plastic bucket. Then use a cleaner like Spic’n’Span to sponge mop the floor.

    After that, put up a sign that says, in effect – “Males must aim before they shoot”.

    Problem solved!

    • Yuck, Walt!!

      If those stains were pee stains, I sure as hell wouldn’t be scrubbing them! These are normal hard water stains. 🙂

  33. LL, Pournelle is an arrogant, smug bastard and, IMO, not a particularly writer, certainly not as good as he likes to think. Loud, overbearing . . .

    That being said, the work he did with Larry Niven was capable of being very good indeed, but I have no way of knowing which of them made it work.

  34. gummitch – I googled him but wasn’t familiar with any of his work. Other than Outer Limits, The Twilight Zone, Star Wars and Star Trek, I am not into Sci Fi too much.

    He’ll probably never end up on my reading list.

    As for reading lists, I found a box of books in my garage that I had moved from my bedroom last year when we redid the flooring. Dang. So many books. So little time.

  35. Walt: put up a sign that says, in effect – “Males must aim before they shoot”.

    In the summer of 08 when we ran the kitchen and dining room at AZ’s high mountain Hannagan Meadow Lodge, a friend of ours ran the housekeeping unit for the resort. There was a men’s room just off the lobby, with a urinal that needed constant help. She wanted to put up a sign over the urinal that said, “PIGS WITH SHORT SNOUTS: STAND CLOSER TO THE TROUGH.” Couldn’t convince “management” to go along, however.

  36. “When we called for a no fly zone we didn’t mean our planes.” L. ‘As*hat’ Graham

    Bolton and Graham – war mongering twins.

  37. …a “no fly zone” is a lonely Saturday night for Graham.

    As demonstrated by ‘tapping Larry ‘legs’ Craig.

  38. Larry ‘Crazy Legs’ Craig and Lyndsey”Love me tonight” Graham. A mating made in heaven.

  39. Did anybody else (with cable) watch ‘The Kennedys’? I stumbled across it about 3 minutes into the show, it is being shown on Reelz channel. This is the one the History Channel declined to show because they didn’t think it was historically accurate. It’s on again at 11pm eastern, and again tomorrow night. This first episode is 2 hours, then it continues in 1 hour segments on Tuesday.

  40. How do you think it measured up, so far, to history, House?

    I’ll look for it on-line once it finishes on the t.v. machine – they don’t simultaneously put them out do they?

  41. Ebb, I’m not sure what is real and what is made up. I thought if I watched it, and found some online articles about it, at least I’d have a feel for what they were talking about.

    Greg Kinnear plays JFK, and Katie Holmes is a cuter-than-the-real-thing Jackie. In fact, put blonde hair on her and she would look more like Marilyn Monroe than Jackie.

  42. I forget – you were just a young’n in ’63.

    Was asking about the historical accuracy part – went looking but there are no specific parts pointed out as inaccurate just reviews like this:

    The History Channel along with the Kennedy family felt that the historical content of The Kennedy’s may not be all true.

  43. I was all of 12 but clearly recall the events (of course not all the politics behind it).
    My folks were Catholic and campaigned for Kennedy- having Koffee Klatches (“A casual social gathering for coffee and conversation.”)- in the home – around the kitchen table or in the living room.
    There were no specialty coffee places like there are now.

    They’d also have evening meetings about distributing literature, etc.

  44. My take is the filmmaker is trying too hard to portray Joe Kennedy as a cruel manipulator, and JFK as a chronic philanderer.

    What little I’ve learned about the Kennedys is mostly what Thom Hartmann and Lamar Waldron believe about JFK’s assassination. That was on a History Channel show about a year ago, on the anniversary of the assassination.

    Back then you didn’t get the kind of news about politicians you do now. They kept a lot more from the public.

  45. I still remember where I was when I heard that John F. had been killed. I scarcely understood who or what a “president” was, but I had never seen adults so completely in shock by an announcement, and I was in turn scarcely able to breath because of it.

    I remember Bobby as well, but it was not as vivid to my as John F., simply because I was by myself watching the TV at the time I heard about Bobby, whereas there were people all around me reacting to the news of John F. (Not sure how or why I was watching the idiot box; I was just home from school and never turned it on at that time. I think the news was already there, and the tube was on when I got home. It was only with the TV that it sank in.)

  46. There’s something suspicious about the Gulf of Mexico having all the ecological damage from the oil, and Taco Bell starting to serve shrimp on their menu…

  47. Oh, one thing I did note about the show. They kept switching back and forth in the timeline, first on election day, then in prewar times, then back to election day, then during the war, and back to election day, then post-war in JFK’s first Congressional campaign, then him winning the election. It was kind of hard at first to keep up with until I got familiar with the characters’ ages.

  48. When I woke up this morning I hadn’t seen any of the Godfather movies. Going to bed I can now say I’ve seen all three.

    Huge movie marathon (about 9 hours of film watching) with some friends today. Great movies.

  49. I’d like to point out that women who are drunk and squat because they are afraid to get germs from the toilet make a bigger mess than men. I know. I’m deep. 🙂

  50. That’s a great deal of sitting and watching!

    Now, in your dreams tonight, you’ll be Mafioso.

  51. House, is it a known or newbie directing the series?

    That kind of switching can be bothersome – blink and you lose the timeline and are totally screwed in trying to follow.


    RFK’s assassination was totally a stop in your tracks and did we just hear what we thought we heard? I was working swing so we weren’t able to totally follow. Some of the patients had radios and there was a t.v. in the community room. It wasn’t until we got off work that it totally hit- another Kennedy murdered.

  52. …is it a known or newbie directing the series?

    I had to look that up. The director of the first two hours is a guy named Jon Cassar. He’s also the executive producer of the whole series. He’s heavily involved with the series 24 as a producer and director.

  53. That’s very interesting – 24 was one of those – love it or hate it. Didn’t seem to be an in between.

    • Godfather all day? Wow, I only managed the first one about 10 years ago.

      I’m not so into the mob movies.

  54. Ebb, what do you know about niacin supplements? I was put on 500mg of flush free niacin along with my switch from Vytorin to simvastatin. Now they want me to take 1000mg at bedtime and my 81mg aspirin 30 minutes before.

  55. House, did they explain the changes? How was your cholesterol?
    Were you having circulatory difficulties?

    ( generally) Niacin is used in conjunction with simvastatin to lower cholesterol.
    To decrease the risk of heart attacks & strokes.

    The 81 aspirin is used in conjunction with the above for circulation – to help prevent clots.

    (what other meds are you taking?)

  56. Sorry, I dozed off.
    Well, the doc that started me on the niacin said it and simvastatin would lower my triglycerides more than the Vytorin. The doc that doubled the dosage (from Czechoslovakia), said it would reduce plaque in the arteries. He is the one that told me to take the aspirin 30 minutes before the niacin to help with the flushing and said also that taking the niacin at bedtime made it work better, and allowed me to sleep through any flushing that I might experience.

    The other med I am on is the generic Tarka for my blood pressure. It just became available as a generic.

    I was curious if the plaque reducing claim was relatively new. It seems that if that’s true then the blood pressure should drop, as the arteries become less constricted.

  57. The combination (to reduce plaque / reduce the risk of strokes and heart attacks has been around for sometime. They probably discussed the dietary regimen that should be done in conjunction with the changes of meds (to also reduce cholesterol).

    Do/did leg cramping wake you up or keep you awake?

  58. It seems that if that’s true then the blood pressure should drop, as the arteries become less constricted.


    It’s the entire combination of meds that works (along with diet, of course).

  59. I basically started that diet when I started the Vytorin, but I didn’t kick the Coca Cola until recently. That’s been the biggest change in my calories.

    I haven’t had any cramping problems, except that one time a year ago when we were moving the car parts. I could have avoided that if I had bought more Gatorade that day.

    Now I really have to go to sleep. Thanks for the talk. I want to try to see the other doctor next time I go, he was out with a knee replacement this last time. He’s about my age, but I think he’s in worse shape than I am.

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