The Watering Hole: April 5, Someone stop me….

I can still get furious. And I am just that.

Now the apologists have found a new way of telling us, the Fukushima accident is not really bad at all. Look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, so many survivors live there still, which belies all concern that exposure to radiation makes you sick and leads to an earlier death. You may of course die immediately, but no one in Fukushima has, have they? They are more likely to die from smoking and get sick of the psychological impact of the catastrophe.

I’m talking about  today’s comment in the NZZ (Neue Zürcher Zeitung) which should have been clearly marked with “inspired and paid for by the nuclear industry”, and which is, unfortunately ,not available online but parts must have taken more or less right from here.

Nice try:

“Little Boy” the Hiroshima bomb contained about 64 kg of Uranium 235, less than 1 kg reacted and “Fat Man” the Nagasaki bomb 6kg Plutonium.

The Fukushima plant has much more material in its belly than either of the bombs, nor both of them combined had. If you want to get really scared, look here, it’s staggering.

Again: The comparison with the nuclear bombs is off! The only comparison possible is indeed Chernobyl and huge areas around this particular site are uninhabitable for generations to come. 20 years later children were born with massive birth defects and children were suffering from thyroid cancer in previously unheard of numbers. In Chernobyl one reactor exploded and dispatched radioactive material across Europe and the rest of the world. In Fukushima no such explosion has occurred. Luckily for us, we will not have to cope with fall out as serious as the one we had in 1986. But there are four reactors involved now. There will be a slowly-but-surely poisoning of the Pacific and a slowly-but-surely poisoning of the earth, the groundwater and drinking water supply of the surrounding areas. Maybe even the water supply of the Tokyo area with its 35 million inhabitants. Even in the best case scenario we have again made a huge strip of land uninhabitable to any life form, in the worst case we have managed to displace millions of people. But hey, that’s not a problem really, don’t lets panic, we are safe as houses and our reactors are safe as well.

Someone stop me, or I’ll go on and on and on and on…

Oh, and while I am at it, if you google “Chernobyl Disaster” the first and topmost hits are completely different to the ones you found pre Fukushima, now the “realistic” assessments are topmost, not the “alarmist” ones like from Greenpeace or some such lefties. Telling?

This is our open thread, There must have been other things going on, so tell us…

319 thoughts on “The Watering Hole: April 5, Someone stop me….

  1. I thought I had reason to be aggravated until I read your post EV. Good job. I’m just aggravated because there are local elections today for school board and fire dept. etc. I wasn’t even going to bother to vote because I don’t pay too much attention to local issues. But then I started receiving emails from school board wannabes. They run in groups of 3. And one of the groups stole email addresses from the school sites and is “badmouthing” the other 3 saying they’re on the side of the teachers and the unions and are in favor of spending money on the schools. Now I have to vote.

  2. Shayne, do vote if you can and have them spend as much money on schools as possible. That’s the investment for the future worth doing. And give the email thieves a good healthy political kick.

  3. I grew up when we used to test nuclear bombs in the Pacific and in Nevada, so that’s the perspective I have.

    I know people are putting their lives at risk trying to fix the problem.

    I am concerned with radiation contaminating the Pacific.


    You’da thunk Cherynoble was a big wake-up call in that regard, but, no….

  4. Here’s last night’s report on Fukushima from Thom Hartmann’s Big Picture show.

  5. Ummmm…. The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were done as acts of war.

    Does this mean they are finally admitting that nuclear energy proponents have declared war on the rest of the inhabitants of this planet?

  6. This all makes me want to retire to a small fishing village in some remote part of the world where I won’t have, nor need electricity.. Sigh.

  7. RUC, if you pick the right place — most any geological hotspot around the Pacific Rim or in numerous Pacific island groups — geothermal energy could likely be used to keep the lights on from now till the cows come home. It’s not as “romantic” as nuclear, granted, but what the hell, it’s cheap and only hazardous if the potential volcano in the basement should erupt.

    Betcha Ebb could name the perfect place, actually. 🙂

    • frugal, how much energy is in the tides? The sea is perpetually moving, there are such things as tidal power plants Nothing is without an effect on nature, but I’m fairly sure, the oceans will still be liveable if we use some of the energy contained within.

  8. Today is April 5, 2011, 43 years to the day since Bobby Kennedy gave a famous mostly off-the-cuff speech lamenting the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr. on April 4, 1968. Here are some excerpts, ideas which speak as loudly today as they did then; ideas which are, in some circles, as verboten today as they were then. RFK’s words are provide a measure of how far we’ve come — or how far we haven’t come; still, the words are grand. Ironically (??), RFK himself was murdered two months later, to the day. We still should ask, about each King and Kennedy, why? And why?

    “This . . . is not a day for politics. I have saved this one opportunity, my only event of today, to speak briefly to you about the mindless menace of violence in America which again stains our land and every one of our lives.

    “It is not the concern of any one race. The victims of the violence are black and white, rich and poor, young and old, famous and unknown. They are, most important of all, human beings whom other human beings loved and needed. No one–no matter where he lives or what he does–can be certain who next will suffer from some senseless act of bloodshed. And yet it goes on and on and on in this country of ours.

    “Why? What has violence ever accomplished? What has it ever created? No martyr’s cause has ever been stilled by an assassin’s bullet.

    “No wrongs have ever been righted by riots and civil disorders. A sniper is only a coward, not a hero; and an uncontrolled, uncontrollable mob is only the voice of madness, not the voice of reason.”

    “. . . whenever we tear at the fabric of the life which another man has painfully and clumsily woven for himself and his children, whenever we do this, then the whole nation is degraded.

    “. . . Yet we seemingly tolerate a rising level of violence that ignores our common humanity and our claims to civilization alike. We calmly accept newspaper reports of civilian slaughter in far-off lands. We glorify killing on movie and television screens and call it entertainment. We make it easy for men of all shades of sanity to acquire whatever weapons and ammunition they desire.

    “Too often we honor swagger and bluster and wielders of force; too often we excuse those who are willing to build their own lives on the shattered dreams of other human beings.

    “. . . this much is clear: violence breeds violence, repression brings retaliation, and only a cleansing of our whole society can remove this sickness from our soul.

    “For there is another kind of violence, slower but just as deadly destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions; indifference and inaction and slow decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. This is the slow destruction of a child by hunger, and schools without books and homes without heat in the winter.

    “This is the breaking of a man’s spirit by denying him the chance to stand as a father and as a man among other men. And this too afflicts us all.

    “. . . When you teach a man to hate and fear his brother, when you teach that he is a lesser man because of his color or his beliefs or the policies that he pursues, when you teach that those who differ from you threaten your freedom or your job or your home, or your family, then you also learn to confront others not as fellow citizens but as enemies, to be met not with cooperation but with conquest; to be subjugated and to be mastered.

    “We learn, at the last, to look at our brothers as aliens, alien men with whom we share a city, but not a community; men bound to us in common dwelling, but not in a common effort. We learn to share only a common fear, only a common desire to retreat from each other, only a common impulse to meet disagreement with force. For all this, there are no final answers.

    “Yet we know what we must do. It is to achieve true justice among our fellow citizens. The question is not what programs we should seek to enact. The question is whether we can find in our own midst and in our own hearts that leadership of humane purpose that will recognize the terrible truths of our existence.

    “We must admit the vanity of our false distinctions among men and learn to find our own advancement in the search for the advancement of others. We must admit in ourselves that our own children’s future cannot be built on the misfortunes of others. We must recognize that this short life can neither be ennobled or enriched by hatred or revenge.

    “Our lives on this planet are too short and the work to be done too great to let this spirit flourish any longer in this land of ours. Of course we cannot vanquish it with a program, nor with a resolution.

    “But we can perhaps remember, if only for a time, that those who live with us are our brothers, that they share with us the same short moment of life; that they seek, as do we, nothing but the chance to live out their lives in purpose and in happiness, winning what satisfaction and fulfillment that they can.

    “Surely, this bond of common faith, surely this bond of common goal, can begin to teach us something. Surely, we can learn, at least, to look at those around us as fellow men, and surely we can begin to work a little harder to bind up the wounds among us and to become in our own hearts brothers and countrymen once again.”


    • frugal, small wonder he was killed. His words are as valid today as they were then. We haven’t learned a thing.

  9. Absolutely true, EV. The tides are energy waiting to be cleverly harvested. (Of course, as Bill O’Reilly on Fox recently noted, we have no idea what causes them.) But still, there they are, available, along with wind, with sunshine, with geothermal, and all we as a species can think to do is shave off mountaintops in W. Virgina to more easily ‘harvest’ coal, or open the Grand Canyon and it’s surround for Uranium mining, or issue more deep drilling permits for oil in the Gulf of Mexico, or endanger the polar bear species by expanded oil drilling in the Arctic ….

    The human species sometimes doesn’t seem to be worth anywhere near what it thinks itself to be worth.

    • frugal, what really makes me wonder is the fact that we don’t hear from the Palin crowd. “Drill baby, drill” should reach fever pitch. Or is the issue Fukushima not really an issue in the US. There are huge differences in thinking here in Europe as well. The French, who are exporters of nuclear facilities, don’t worry so much, the Germans are frantic and most are reconsidering their plans for new sites and for the existing. (This European side will, maybe, one day be a separate post, I just don’t get around to do it).

  10. Oregon has been toying with the idea of tidal generation for quite awhile. Looks like there are ongoing pilot and testing projects.

    Unlike wind, however, tides with sufficient range and velocity run only in the nation’s northeastern and northwestern corners, mostly Maine and Washington, plus Alaska. Waves are consistently high only on the Pacific coast north of Point Conception, Calif., and in Hawaii.

    I’m sure the Koch Brothers will get people stirred up about how this will destroy our oceans and beaches.

  11. The US is still in the drilling mode; I think in fact that at least 8 new deepwater permits have been issued for wells in the Gulf of Mexico since the BP blowout not quite a year ago. Nuclear is similarly on the front burner as is coal. Water supplies all around the country are being compromised by ‘fracking’ for natural gas (fun to watch those videos of water flowing from a household tap and then literally bursting into a whoosh of flame thanks to a spark or a match. But alternative forms, so-called green energy, are effectively laughed at as being hippie solutions, dreamed up by the ‘nuts and berries people.’

    In the United States, only one word means anything when it comes to anything at all anymore, energy in particular: Money. Pollution, environmental destruction, high prices — all together mean more money. Greed has won; all else — EVERYTHING — is second to wealth, to money. We are a dying society here, and will one day collapse in a reeking heap if common sense cannot be encouraged to prevail over the quest for money. Period.

  12. My tuna comes in pouches. That gives me a few moments of advantage before the cats smell the tuna, as opposed to the immediate reaction to the sound of the can opener!

  13. House, (tee hee) cats are the funniest where food is involved. The dance and conversation!

  14. Tweet 16 between the Cardinal (yes, gummitch I saw your vote ;>) vs. Peregrine

    I had to vote Peregrine – the wild pair in S.F. AND the wild pair in S.J. eggs hatched and hatching as I type this – so an auspicious day that makes me say: Peregrine all the way!

  15. There is no “one size fits all” with renewables, it will take an entire multi-modal array of them. And even then, it will only achieve a workable standing when the power distribution grid is rationalized so that tidal energy from Oregon can go to Kansas, Solar from AZ to NY, when and as needed.

  16. I’m having a hard time getting excited about Tim Kaine running for the Senate, but I guess that’s the price for getting him out of DNC leadership.

  17. Hooda’s gaining a following – over at TP: (from the Paul Ryan thread)

    AngryinOhio 10 minutes ago in reply to Hoodathunk

    I just checked out your blog… Good job.

  18. Outstanding, while I hear your pain on getting Kaine back, I’m hoping the DNC will replace him with someone more effective. With Rahm gone, getting Dean back would be sweet.

    And Ebb, one person makes a following?

  19. Hooda, it’s a start! It will pique the curiosity of others to ‘check you out’ – [handsome devil that you are!] ;>

  20. With all the talk about nuclear power of late, I came across China Syndrome on Netflix and it was streamable, so I watched it last night. Just as gripping now (even more so perhaps) as it was when it first came out.

  21. Normally, I don’t like to make fun of someone’s appearance, but when it’s the result of some technical snafu, I’ll make an exception if it’s funny no matter who it is. As many of you know, when you post a YouTube, there is a still shot that is right around the mid-way point of the video. Sometimes the images that are frozen in these shots are funny-looking. Take this one from a clip at C&L. Greta van Susteren looks rather silly in the still frame.

    Oh, and Judge Prosser is an idiotic asshole if he thinks he can get away with the “she made me call her a bitch” excuse.

  22. Outstanding – eyasses (baby Peregrines)!

    (wild, urban peregrines) The San Francisco scrape and San Jose scrape are hatching this very day. Each have two eyasses out and awaiting the hatch of two more!

    Here’s “Clara” feeding her two – it’s only 5 minutes but the first 25 seconds is probably all one needs to see – to get the idea.

  23. Oh, and Judge Prosser is an idiotic asshole if he thinks he can get away with the “she made me call her a bitch” excuse.

    That hearkens back to the days when domestic violence (verbal as well as physical) was not taken seriously. ‘It was between husband and wife law enforcement needs to stay out of it’.

    (generally) The wife would end up ‘falling down the stairs’ with such severe injuries. The husband, if he said anything, it would be ‘she made me do it’.

    Hooda, how late are the polls open?

  24. I’m still trying to figure out how Prosser could garner more than two or three votes total — and that’s INCLUDING the wild assumption that even HE would be stupid enough to vote for himself. I mean, really. Y’ know?

  25. frugal, the attack ads have been flying hot and heavy here the past week. At breakfast on Sat I watched the local CBS station’s news program and there were three of them. Prosser has outspent his opponent by almost 4:1. This election is going to show if they can be bought.

  26. I’ve long wondered if this country’s saving grace might arrive about the time that whites become an electoral minority. The possibilities — along with the hope — are intriguing.

  27. I’ve long wondered if this country’s saving grace might arrive about the time that whites become an electoral minority. The possibilities — along with the hope — are intriguing.

    Just wait until we give corporations the vote.

  28. Donald Trump’s nonsense is beginning to pay off. He’s within striking distance of Mitt Romney in New Hampshire:

    “If Trump actually run[s] 21% of New Hampshire GOP voters say they’d vote for him, compared to 27% for Romney. The key to Trump’s relatively strong showing? He does well with birthers and Tea Partiers, two groups he has seemed to actively court with his public comments of late.”

    Dave Weigel adds that 21% ‘”might actually be as far as birtherism can take a candidate.”

    Yep, the 21% Crazification Factor.

  29. Hi Zooey, All …

    My day was interesting … I was actually able to do algebraic equations with ease at work today, first time in years… must be moondoggy’s encouragement. I appreciate RFK’s words, and today, I feel the violence against the earth as if it were against my own flesh. And as dizzying as that often is, I have hope. I have hope that we collectively will rise up and say “ENOUGH!!!”

    I look forward to visiting all coastal areas tobdetermine the feasibility of tidal power as a component of the renewable package; I also remain dedicated to working with others to update the power grid, and teaching others sustainable methods. If you will all excuse me now, I am preparing for a screening of a PBS documentary on John Muir tomorrow in NYC, and trying to find the right hose to match my claret cup inspired dress… 🙂

  30. Zooey, nothing I have heard. This is one that will come down to actual vote count.

  31. Zooey, vote turnout is about par with a presidential election for an off election. I think Wanker will be whining real soon.

  32. Z, moondoggy is the name that I have bestowed upon my true love. He is my champion, much like Wesley for Buttercup in the Princess Bride; what I like about being Gidget to Moondoggy is that we can ride the seas, calm or rough, together … What a blast!

  33. We’ve been through this Moondoggie boondoggle. Moondoggie was Gidget’s boyfriend, played by James Darren.

    Now, how this impacts Lass I have no idea.

  34. My Love and I share common interests, especially the environment, as relates to wildlife management and water resources management, among many other things … we could easily be any famous loving couple, including Wes and Cup; He’s a surf punk, with a heart o’ gold and I’m just a short quirky brown eyed girl who smiles … a lot … 🙂

  35. Princess Bride is an absolute favorite amongst the Rennie crowd (though it might get knocked down to #2 if the upcoming Your Highness is anywhere near as crude and funny as its adverts — especially the restricted ones — suggest.)

  36. Speaking of nesting birds:

    A pair of Canada geese has built a nest about ten feet from my back door! I don’t begrudge them the space and don’t really mind being hissed at but, if can can confirm that there aren’t any eggs, I think I’ll chase them off. I don’t think they would be happy with all the traffic.

  37. Rep. Wasserman-Schultz will take over the DNC. That’s worth letting Tim Kaine come back to VA.

  38. pete, Google put up an animal translator the other day. Maybe you could learn to talk goose?

  39. hooda,

    I already speak goose, wood duck, a few different dialects of owl, and I used to have some wonderful discussions with coyotes.

  40. Pete, you obviously live near water – natural or artificial (lake-type)?

    Canada Geese population, over the last six years, has exploded at the Wildlife Refuge we visit.
    The Rangers aren’t particularly happy about it but can’t do anything .

    Saltwater marsh – end of the SF Bay – lots of variety – even wintering Peregrines that hang out on the power towers.
    Burrowing Owls duck into the hole when the Northern Harrier couple start hunting low in the marsh.
    A pair of White Tailed Kites are nesting!

  41. Nice post EV.

    Good reminder of RFK, Frugal and what a lovely President he might have been. Sadly ironic that he was also brought down by violence.

    Go Wisconsin! Unelect Prosser!

  42. Well, yeah sure, zxbe – are there lakes in the big, big Cities?/s ;> (I’d kind of forgotten Pete was in MN)

  43. I had a crush on James Darren once….he was a cute Moondoggie. But alas, my tastes later matured to Robert Redford.

  44. Ebb,

    There are several small potholes within the walking distance of a baby goose. The closest has been home to a pair of blue-winged teal for the last couple years and I’m a little concerned that the geese will chase them off.

  45. Ebb,

    There are a few hundred lakes within the Minneapolis/Saint Paul metro area and the Mississippi separates them. One can’t travel very far in any direction without hitting water.

  46. Ebb, indeed, there are a fair number of large lakes around the metro as well.

    Here’s a nice shot of Lake Calhoun only a few miles from downtown Minneapolis. (Not my own photo, but tells me I need to get down there and take some shots this summer.)

  47. So we have Moondoggy from Gidget.
    There’s Moonpie from Rollerball.
    And there’s Moon Unit from Mr. Zappa.

  48. oooo, aaaaw – do I need a passport to visit MN?

    I see there are a few puddles! Beautiful!

  49. Gentlemen, please … all kidding aside, he is truly one amazing man. I have pledge my unconditional love and confidentiality to him, and if when he is ready to go “public” he will … I respect his decision making skills … )

    once again, you have to excuse me, i will be walking the dog and trying to determine how to find pockets of restful sleep … indeed he is a handful … 😉

  50. There’s no ocean though, Hooda!
    We have the salty Pacific – ebb and flow as the saying goes!

  51. No, they just have Lake Superior. Not as much shoreline as CA but lots more lakes.

  52. Ebb, Minneapolis is one of the most beautiful cities I’ve visited and one of the few I would seriously consider swapping for Portland. The city even feels much like Portland, but with bigger trees and wider streets. I stayed with family near Lake Harriet, which has sailboats and running tracks and the predictably gorgeous houses. The house I was in was also gorgeous, built in the early 20th century with lots of wood and stone and, again predictably, a wonderful front porch.

    It’s a few hours drive to the North Shore of Lake Superior which looks much like an ocean shore minus the salt and plus the ore boats. Superior is very deep and verrrrry cold and littered with the corpses of ships (think Edmund Fitzgerald).

  53. Did someone mention Lake Superior? From Duluth a couple of years ago. 🙂 (I’m so overdue to go back.)

  54. I may visit the mid-west before departing this mortal coil! Maybe. Someday. In the next life. If not this one.

  55. There’s really only two problems with living in Minnesota. Winter and Summer. Winter for the obvious reasons. Summer due to all the mosquitoes (because of all the water).

  56. The only real difference between the great Lakes and the oceans is salinity. I personally prefer the oceans but the coasts and beaches are not that different.

  57. zxbe,

    I seem to have some immunity to mosquitoes. Generally a good hot shower knocks the itching down. The biting flies, especially deer flies, are a whole different matter.

    • pete, you do build up some immunity to mosquito bites.

      When I lived in Gitmo, we were almost eaten alive for about 2 months, but after that they just weren’t that bad. Like you said, the other critters still cause trouble.

  58. Did someone mention Lake Superior? From Duluth a couple of years ago. 🙂 (I’m so overdue to go back.)

    Fitger’s. Very impressive.

  59. This may be an urban legend type thing but I’ve heard mosquitoes are drawn to blood with a higher salt content. Us white folk tend to have a high salt level in our system. For what it is worth.

  60. I had a car club friend who wound up working at a TV station in Fargo. He said there were only two seasons up there, Winter, and Winter’s Coming.

  61. umm, re-thinking this entire scenario after reading:

    The biting flies, especially deer flies, are a whole different matter.

  62. “…there were only two seasons up there, Winter, and Winter’s Coming.”

    Gosh, zx, pete, hooda and now reading house –
    A very brief visit in late Spring may just be on the docket!

    oh, I’d forgotten y’all get rain in the summer, don’t you?

  63. Back in the early nineties on a visit to MN I brought my bicycle. Stayed in Shakopee with Brother-in-law and then-wife’s sister. There was a niece who lived in St Paul, not far from the Mississippi. One day BiL and I took our bikes to her house and headed for Mpls. Crossed the river, stopped for a spell at Lake Nokomis, then rode the Minnehaha Parkway (along Minnehaha Creek) to Lake Harriet, then to Calhoun, then under what I guess is Hennepin Ave and around two lakes there — Cedar and another one, can’t remember the name (Lake of the Isles, maybe? Beautiful beautiful). Turned around and rode back the same way. I’m thinking we did closet to thirty miles round trip and were never hassled by traffic anywhere — and in the middle of a large city. It was a great day.

    Minneapolis will always remain one of my favorite cities.

  64. My son visited Minneapolis a few summers back and experienced: 1. his first real thunderstorm (several); 2. rainstorm in which it was considerably warmer outside than on the bus; 3. humidity. Of course, it now appears that he’s talked me into going to New Orleans. In late July.

    • gummitch, you’ll have a great time NO, but you will be hot & sweaty beyond belief. Drink lots of fluids, of course. *wink*

  65. Cornell Lab of Ornithology
    Going into the evening, it’s 1,031 to 845 in favor of Northern Cardinal. Will Peregrine Falcon be able to pull off another comeback like it did against Northern Flicker in Round 1? We’ll find out tomorrow morning!

    (Peregrine could still make a come back)

  66. Please check the span bin. I didn’t swear or use html.


    gummitch, N.O. in July (I’m sweatin’ just thinking about that one)!

  67. frugal,

    Lake of the Isles it is. The isles it’s named for host huge rookeries of various birds including green herons and night herons. Beautiful birds. I used to live just a couple miles from Lake Calhoun and rode my bike around one or more of the lakes you visited nearly every day and fished in them too.


    The biting flies aren’t terribly bad in the Twin Cities. It’s out in the rural areas, like where I go trout fishing, where they hold sway. Plus, like mosquitoes, they tend to be worst right around dusk. If you do happen to end up in a really infested area, modern insect repellents are really effective.

  68. Ebb, from Memorial Day to Labor Day Wi and Mn are about heaven on earth. Except for the occasional bad weather day but they pass quickly. 😉

  69. Gummitch, you might want to consider carrying portable oxygen to Nawlins.

  70. Its there Zooey but not bad. Much less than many places I have been. The only real problem with seasonal weather up here is it tends to be seasonal. We have 4 pretty distinct seasons with transition periods.

  71. Hi all!
    Any of you who have water in any form or fashion can be grateful.
    A couple of big fires already, and no precipitation forecast.

  72. I’m having to drink at least 4 liters of water a day, just to stay hydrated. Drinking beer adds to the dehydration issue at present. We’ve had humidities in the single digits this past fortnight.

  73. Raven, that is dry. Forget the beer, drink more water. Save the beer for when you can appreciate it. And good luck.

  74. What you are doing. Keeping the big fires from becoming Holy Shit! fires, I assume.

  75. I’m just observing the fires at present, still a couple of weeks before becoming actively involved. Couple of days here at home before making a loop up around through Colorado, where it is still snowing. Maybe I’ll have a cold beer up there!

  76. Goose update:

    Three eggs confirmed and Daddy is VERY protective. He’s been chasing kids and bit the property’s maintenance supervisor. I fear that it won’t have a happy outcome.

    • I thought it might be a while until we saw you again, Raven. I’m glad you were able to make a visit.

      Hooda, are you going to call the election? Got a feeling about it?

  77. Since it is so hard to find actual coverage, I’m going with Prosser is serious toast.

  78. I’ve been checking many local and national sources for election results and all are very quiet.

  79. “I’m going with Prosser is serious toast.”

    Here’s hoping; given the mood on the ground in WI and many other places, I believe that prediction has a strong case. But I am eager to see actual numbers.

  80. The most recent reports I have found are showing a probable record turnout for a Spring Election.

  81. I have been scanning the various Wi news groups and none are covering the returns. CNN doesn’t even mention it.

  82. Twitter says horse apiece with 5% reporting.

    I’m going to bed and hope this is a bad dream.

  83. Dane County is reporting 65% for K with 10%. According to Twitter.


  84. Sorry but I just am not interested in the silliness of this reporting crap. Tomorrow morning either Wi will have taken a stand or we as a nation are screwed. I can’t handle the process in between.

    • I know, Hooda. It matters so much to all of us, but you actually have to deal with it in your everyday life.

  85. I believe returns will come in most quickly from low population — that is rural (and typically conservative) — districts first. Urban areas with large working class populations take longer to count and turn in.

  86. If the world ever goes Twitter only – I’ll be the last to know anything.

    Twitter is a completely different language that I just can’t grasp.
    Means nothing but f’g frustration.

    • I’m with you, Ebb.

      I thought I might get on twitter to get a little more exposure for the Zoo, but then I realized I didn’t understand the language. What’s with all the ###?

      • From MaddowBlog:

        Maine Governor Paul LePage’s tantrum over a labor department mural depicting (gasp!) the history of labor in his state may now cost taxpayers about $37,000. The federal government says it paid 63% of the $60,000 price tag for the artwork (during the Bush administration!), and if Maine doesn’t display it in an employment-related building, they want their money back.

        Your move, Governor LePage.


  87. Minnesota – take notes:

    Spiders in Pakistan encase whole trees in webs
    Eerie phenomenon may be a blessing in disguise, as the hungry spiders have significantly reduced the mosquito population.

  88. Zooey, I haven’t a damn clue other than the what I learned as achild: #number or weight 12#

  89. Isn’t that the dang truth, Raven!

    Good to be reading you. Sad to hear of the infernos.

    We’re hoping this years fire dangers will remain low. CA has had record rain/snow fall
    We are no longer under water restrictions.

  90. Watched a pygmy nuthatch excavating a nest hole in a ponderosa pine this morning.

  91. If the WI court race is currently 50-50, I think that’s good. Gary is correct that the urban (and often more progressive) areas will report last. On the other hand, what the heck do I know? It’s some bizarre sign of the times we live in that I in VA feel involved in a judicial election in WI.

    Hi Raven and thanks for the claret cup photo. Cactus flowers are so perfect they hardly seem real.

  92. At the tail end of the mural video I think I hear the security guard threatening to call “APD”
    (Augusta Police Department)


  93. It was just a very few seconds but that’s what I thought was said.
    After he said ‘what are you doing’?
    The thing is – projection does no physical harm to the building.
    The projectionists are on public property.
    The security guard is feeling impotent…

    • A guy that age has to see the difference in quality of life between his younger days and now.

      For instance, he’s not frickin’ retired.

  94. Exciting

    WI Supreme Court Votes

    Kloppenburg 50%

    Prosser 50%

    58% reporting

  95. This is some screwy reporting

    now Kloppenburg is DOWN by 10,000 votes – what the heck!

    Kloppenburg 49%

    Prosser 51%

    59% reporting

  96. Raven, = Projectors,
    About a bit under a grand plus the computer. The whole set-up can be had for about $1400.

  97. Very odd – the numbers were coming fast and furious…suddenly, with Pro out in front –
    the counting seems to have stalled.

  98. Thanks Walt, I’m assuming the mobile projectionists must be running things off an inverter in the vehicle…

  99. The weird jumps in the WI P/K vote would again — by my SWAG*, not an informed fact — be an artifact of the more populated regions coming into play.


  100. TPM Election Scoreboard
    WI Supreme Court Votes

    Kloppenburg 50%

    Prosser 50%

    67% reporting

  101. As Outstanding said – here we are from all over the country glued to a states SC election!

  102. I had whiplash a while ago, Hooda House. I’m just trying to exercise so little impulse control as to not start screaming until my neighbors’ ears bleed.

    I must think of my cats …

  103. This Prosser wouldn’t pull a Norm Coleman if he loses a close race, would he? Especially with the Koch’s money footing the legal bills.

    She just went up by 18K!

  104. “Elections are so very important, especially now”

    The rabid teafolk are not the only ones who want to take back their country. Sometimes I can’t recognize my homeland. I want it back. I want my fellow citizens, no matter their religious or political affiliations standing strong for the freedom we guarantee the individual.

  105. Outstanding – I’m giving you a standing ovation!

    The Maine projection product.
    This WI turnout…
    we may be on the right track to
    take the country forward~!~

  106. Here’s the scary part:
    Half the people live in caves;
    First fire, now they vote

  107. Prosser may understand this: Take that you b!t(h. oh, he made me say it – not my fault, entirely.

    Thank the gods for the Googles and interwebs. If not for them – we’d not know the score until – well if ever!

  108. Looks like change afoot
    The paper chain gets shorter;
    Walker’s shorts defiled

  109. One small step for Wisconsin… giant leap for the people you thought would be so disheartened and downtrodden that they would just cave to your corporate agenda!

  110. Gary – the Herstein SWAT method seems to have some credence – please, take you head out of the plastic bag.

  111. The Virgina contingent seems to up late representing!
    How’s Outstanding, jr. doing? Are the bees busy yet or is it still too cold?

  112. Thanks Ebb — but that’s “SWAG.” I’m not stroming the Bastille with body armor and sharp-shooters just yet.

    (But I am mixing my metaphors with promiscuous abandon … )

  113. I t would seem that Prosser would need about 71% 9f the remaining votes. I can sleep this out.

  114. I would like to point out that early voters may or may not be counted yet. Does WI have mail in votes?

  115. of course I meant SWAG. SWAT is the method of delivering the SWAG, isn’t it?! =:^

  116. ok, who the ‘ell is manipulating the machines?

    667,255 50%

    Prosser 50%

    90% reporting

  117. The Va contingent best be off to bed so as to survive the 8:00 AM mammogram tomorrow. Bees, pigs and child are well. I bought him a push lawnmower to trim my flower beds and bag grass for the chickens and pigs (who have growing grass but still sometimes prefer to root through a pile). He gets up at 5:00 AM and pretends to check the pigs, but he really just wants to look at his lawnmower.

    • Outstanding, I feel your pain.

      The mammogram is the “slap” portion of the annual “slap & tickle.”

      Lawnmower love — awesome. 🙂

  118. The simple pleasures give the most tremendous joy – lawn mower – I love that child!

  119. I’m wondering what WI ‘too close to call’ protocol is: flip of the coin? or does Walker get to hurriedly write a new bill declaring himself king and then appoint the Pri(k?

  120. This is going to be too close to call – unless WI has some backward worded crap to anoint a winner.

  121. WordPress just dumped me — once again — into the spam bin.

    I confess that I am becoming more than a little annoyed at this happening every single day.

    I reset my DSL modem, which has served to fix the problem in the past.

  122. Another errant Repugnant can’t win – please oh please oh please. They seem to be rewarded for bad behavior.

  123. m a n i p u l a t i o n of the machine…

    it’s been a weird cadence all evening.

  124. jeepers it jumped again –

    Pros in the lead

    Kloppenburg 50%

    Prosser 50%

  125. Someone’s finger got stuck in the manipulation of the Diebold machine – I’m tellin’ ya!

  126. Rest well Gary – and may the unpleasant things be dealt with swiftly!

    See you tomorrow night!

  127. Did you see Josh’s comment:

    12:44 AM: Hearing lots of unconfirmed reports of counting errors in various counties that could advantage either side. This could be a mess.

  128. Night y’all. Going to leave it to you election wonks.
    Go K! Wouldn’t want to be either candidate. Sleepless night.

    Hopefully, Wisconsin will be the winners and the Koch propaganda machine will lose.

  129. Just read Josh’s 1.12a report. Stating some counties are just beginning to count the absentees.

  130. 1:38 AM: Looks like the few remaining precincts in Marathon county are heavily Dem precincts. Should be a good sign for Kloppenburg.

    –Josh Marshall

  131. oh jeesus

    1:40 AM: Series of pro-Prosser precincts just came in — Prosser lead bumps up to about 2100.

    –Josh Marshall

  132. To help break the tension nice nature photography

    Stow Lake, GG Park, San Francisco, Great Blue Herons and Great Horned Owls with young
    Glenn Nevill

  133. 1:56 AM: We’ve had a few precincts trickle in. Marathon county is now completely in. And we’re still holding at about 1900 votes for Prosser.

    1:58 AM: The remaining precincts clearly favor Kloppenburg. Just how much is the question.


    • Oy, my internet connection is going on and off.

      I guess I should have mercy on my self and go to bed. I’d hoped to have the first count done tonight. Boo.

      Goodnight, ebb. It’s been nice doing math with you this evening. 🙂

      Oh god! Prosser up by only 585!!!

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