Watering Hole: Monday, May 30, 2011 – Memorial Day

We are a warring nation.  Some served in our military voluntarily while others were drafted.  Regardless as to why someone served, today is a day to remember those that served and lost their lives.

A list of wars:

  • American War of Independence – 1775 to 1783
  • Northwest Indian War or Little Turtle’s War or Miami’s Campaign – 1785-1795
  • Franco-American Half War – 1798-1800
  • Barbary Coast War or Tripolitan War – 1801-1805
  • War of 1812 or Second War of Independence – 1812-1815
  • Second Barbary War or Algerian War – 1815
  • First Seminole War – 1817-1818
  • Arikara War – 1823
  • Winnebago War orLe Fèvre Indian War – 1827
  • Black Hawk War or Black Hawk Campaign – 1832
  • First Sumatran Expedition – February 6 – 9, 1832
  • Second Seminole War or Florida War – 1835 – 1842
  • Texas War of Independence – 1836
  • Mexican War or U.S.–Mexican War – April 25, 1846 – February 2, 1848
  • etc…

There are 61 more wars to add to this list.  You can view the rest here.

Let us not forget the “TV” war – Vietnam.  If George W. Bush actually fought in Vietnam, he would not have been so eager to invade Iraq.  Approximately 58,220 American soldiers lost their lives in Vietnam.  This doesn’t include the millions of Vietnamese that were killed.  War is not the answer.  After all, what is war good for?

This is our Open Thread – Speak Up!  Our freedom demands it.

166 thoughts on “Watering Hole: Monday, May 30, 2011 – Memorial Day

  1. Thanks, Cats. My initial response to “What is it good for?” was “absolutely nothing”; kind of ironic coming from me, considering my surname translated means “ruler of the battle”.

    Isn’t it enough that we fight our own internal dialogue? Why would we want to see this manifest as overt aggression toward others? I know energetically I have an aversion this fight~ I work towards peace, inner and outer, peace ~

    Remember others this Memorial Day … and remember only to nurture memories of sweetness ~

  2. Memorial Day, a day of remembrance.
    Lest we forget . . .

    The Incessant Voice of War

    One wearies of incessant Voice of War.
    Across full breadth of time each nom de guerre
    Inflicts upon the Human soul a scar
    Which screams in mockery of hallowed prayer.
    How many millions must we finally kill
    Before is learned this simple quirk of fate:
    That murdered dead, in valley or on hill,
    Do NOT portend a Greatness in The State?
    Upon this Earth of monuments and tombs
    Which weep for fallen souls, it’s fair to shout
    NO MORE! to darkness that forever looms
    In constant threat. And let there be no doubt
    Of this–War’s victims hang upon the Cross
    Of senseless death as silent, wretched, loss.

    IN MEMORIAM
    of those who died before their time

    One wonders if they ever heard the cry.
    The sound, the summons, which to faithful says:
    Your God has called, your time is come to die
    And travel on — conclusion of your days
    On earth, the end of all familiar things —
    Your Lives, your Loves, interred now, sans the pain
    Inflicted by ungodly bands of kings
    Who find their purpose in despotic shame.
    So now all living walk upon a cache —
    Abysmal graveyards — globally extant,
    Concealing flesh and bone returned to ash
    From which it came. Tears want to flow, but can’t
    As souls of murdered dead now roam — set free —
    And living close their eyes: Afraid to see.

  3. Great post Cats. There was a very interesting documentary several years back called “War Made Easy”. It’s now available to watch on YouTube. You can watch it here:

    I was just blown away with how many presidents, over decades, all used the same language and ‘threats’ to sell the American public on going to war. Over and over again. It’s a very good film.

    Here’s the link on the film itself.
    http://www.warmadeeasythemovie.org/

  4. In the opening sequence of 2001, the Obelisk teaches one of two tribes how to use a weapon to kill a member of the opposing tribe, fighting over the scarce resource of a waterhole.

    War used to be necessary to obtain control over scarce resources, water, and enough land to grow enough crops to feed one’s tribe. Humans are capable of procreating too much, and lack of birth control inevitably leads to overpopulation. But now that we have birth control, war is no longer necessary. We can choose to regulate our population size so as to not over-grow our available resources.

    Why, then, do we still have wars? We still have in our genes the thirst for power…for power gives us the ability to survive calamities through ammassing great stores of resources, and the power to take away resources from the less powerful.

    We are, in all likelihood, the first indigenous species on this planet to realize we, as a species, could become extinct. That thought terrifies us. And so we heap inordinate amounts of wealth and power on the very few, so that they may survive whatever calamity that awaits us, be it a nuclear winter, another global ice age, or massive drought. And we create religions that promise us rich rewards after death if we obey those in power during life, ensuring the masses will follow the dictates of their rulers, even unto marching off to war on a pretext.

    Manunkind is in a collective state of puberty. And we won’t outgrow this phase until after the Ice.

    Billions will die before we finally realize we won’t become extinct — we will evolve. And the next phase in our evolution has already begun. We’re on the cusp of…interesting times….a quantum leap in the evolution of a species – our own species.

  5. Quote of the Day:

    “I love that smell of the emissions,” – Sarah Palin at yesterday’s Rolling Thunder rally.

  6. Quote of the Day II:

    “Although no sculptured marble should rise to their memory, nor engraved stone bear record of their deeds, yet will their remembrance be as lasting as the land they honored.” ~Daniel Webster

  7. I wish that as a country that the most respectful way we could choose to Remember our fallen soldiers is to think long and hard before sending our young men and women into harm’s way in the first place.

    My favorite quote about war comes from the movie Shenandoah:

    “There’s not much I can tell you about this war. It’s like all wars, I guess. The undertakers are winning. And the politicians who talk about the glory of it. And the old men who talk about the need of it. And the soldiers, well, they just wanna go home.”

  8. Taryn Davis remembers her fallen soldier husband:

    “Michael was a gorgeous man inside and out. He was a geek that loved Star Trek and PBS. He loved his soldiers, dog, and family. A perfect night would consist of a good foreign film and greasy Chinese food. He always saw the best in people and made me want to nothing other than to make him proud. After getting out of the Army, Michael had aspirations of finishing his engineering degree and having children. Michael was a simple man who could eat steak and peas for the rest of his life, who had a gap in his smile that added a warm quirkiness to his spirit. He loved with all of his heart and gave it out to all who knew him.

    There are many (nearly 6,000) like him and it is their memory, it is the one thing that didn’t die with them that day; it is their legacy and what we want the world to remember them by. That is what Memorial Day is for military widows.

    We don’t want you to remember them just by the uniform they wore or the number of casualties you see on the five o’clock news…But the men and women like you; following their passions, loving the people in their life, enjoying a cold beer on a hot summer day.”

    Visit http://www.americanwidowproject.org to hear more stories from the widows of soliders.

  9. How does it happen? Why is war so inevitably predictable? War is, by its very nature, the ultimate of human atrocity. Across the entire span of human history aggressors have come and gone, most often repeating the mistakes of their predecessors. Through it all, innocents–and innocence–are the casualties, and their collective graves quite literally cover the entire globe. From Pericles to Napoleon, from Caesar to Hitler, from Kaiser Wilhelm to Lyndon Johnson, from Harry Truman through George W. Bush, and most certainly eternally onward from this day for however far into the future human civilization might persist, war dominates and its attendant horrors–its atrocities, its perversities, its perversions, its assault on all things decent and proper–remain its only mainstay, its only constant. The noted American jurist Clarence Darrow (1857-1938) once wrote:

    “The lowest standards of ethics of which a right-thinking man can possibly conceive is taught to the common soldier whose trade is to shoot his fellow men. In youth he may have learned the command, ‘Thou shalt not kill,’ but the ruler takes the boy just as he enters manhood and teaches him that his highest duty is to shoot a bullet through his neighbor’s heart–and this, unmoved by passion or feeling or hatred, and without the least regard to right or wrong, but simply because his ruler gives the word.”

    “Simply because his ruler gives the word.” Has there ever, across all of history, been a war event wherein the masses have forced their unwilling rulers into a clash of nations? No. It’s always and invariably the other way around, and almost without exception the principal aggressor is the antithesis of his own self-perception that it is he who is the protector, not the evildoer. In 2003, following his initiation of an aggressive war on a small Middle Eastern State that had done the US no harm, President George W. Bush attempted to explain his actions by saying:

    “My administration has a job to do and we are going to do it. We will rid the world of evildoers.”

    Is that it? Is it really that simple, that war is the eternal battle between good and evil? Some will, it is true, agree with that basically vacant premise. And yes indeed, it does sound good. But when it comes to war, nothing is ever quite as simple as it’s portrayed by those leaders who issue the call to arms. There are other motivations, undercurrents which have no basis in the honorable or the good. War is, in fact, the ultimate tool of the small-minded, of those who find their own beatification solely in the accumulation of wealth, the accumulation of power. It’s a never-ending story, as voices across history have recorded.
    (Excerpt from Prologue, The Incessant Voice of War)

    • “My administration has a job to do and we are going to do it. We will rid the world of evildoers.”

      Is that it? Is it really that simple, that war is the eternal battle between good and evil?

      That is just how they sell it. It sounds good. It works. It rings and resonates on an emotional level. And it works, over and over and over again.

      • muse, they can always count on generation after generation of the fearful faithful to fall for the same shit every single time. Throw a black president in the top of the heap, and all hell breaks out.

      • This was an odd thing.. The video is actually kind of disturbing.
        Anti-war veteran arrested for dancing in Jefferson Memorial

        This definitely has the look and feel of a police state, and cracking down on ‘free speech’ and public peaceful demonstrations. It creeped me out. All these people were silently dancing, not disturbing anyone. The disturbance was when the police took them down. You’d think the Jefferson Memorial was a public place, open to the people in this country who pay for it’s maintenance with their tax dollars.. And the statue of Thomas Jefferson, a champion of freedom of expression, standing there watching the whole thing being played out. Weird.
        Obviously, they knew this judge had placed a ban on ‘dancing’ at the memorial, and they were breaking the ban by doing it anyway, but the question in my mind is why the need for that kind of ban in the first place? It’s not like they were stripping down naked in a public place and pole dancing..

        There are more videos here, and more on the story.

        Several people were arrested Saturday afternoon at the Jefferson Memorial, protesting the recent court decision that upheld a ban on dancing at the memorial.
        In April 2008, a group of less than 20 young people came to the memorial as part of a flash mob where they would dance to music played through their headphones.
        U.S. Park Police then told the dancers to leave, and eventually arrested one woman on misdemeanor charges, Mary Oberwetter.
        Oberwetter fought the charges in court, arguing that dancing was protected free speech, and noting that groups of noisy school children are routine at the memorial.
        She lost that case, with the courts agreeing that the U.S. Park service has a duty to maintain decorum at the nation’s monuments, and no demonstrations are allowed inside the monuments.
        Earlier this month, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia upheld the earlier decision.
        The group that gathered at the monument Saturday was there in protest of the upheld ban.

        • muse, I saw that video yesterday, and i couldn’t believe what I was seeing. I didn’t know about the prior ban on dancing in national monuments. Who knew it was such a huge problem? 🙄

          When the dancers were asking the park police what they would be charged with, did you notice he never answered their question? All he said was that they’d end up spending the weekend in jail because they were 50 miles outside some jurisdiction. That’s not an answer to what they would be charged with. Either the cop knew it was a stupid thing to charge them with, or he’d been told to respond that way. I’m leaning toward the latter.

          Yes, by all means, let’s maintain “decorum” at our national monuments. Did the Judge happen to have an opinion on teabagger signs depicting the President as an African witch doctor or Hitler?

  10. Shushannah Walshe reports on the meaning of Palin’s bus tour:

    “According to a source with knowledge of Palin’s operation and thinking, keep a careful eye on how long the tour lasts, because it is intended as a way to test the presidential waters. If the road trip ends abruptly, it’s a sign she didn’t get the enthusiastic responses she believes she needs to launch a campaign. If the tour heads to regions outside of the Northeast like Iowa and South Carolina that, the source says, is a “big indicator” that Palin will pull the trigger.”

  11. Until humankind looks upon the fields of all the war dead, both soldiers and civilians, and feels a gut deep emotion that says never again, we will continue to follow the lies of the powerful who reap the benefits of war and never pay the price.

  12. I have spent the better part of this morning in dialogue with a man at the coffee shop talking about peace and conflict resolution in a humane, yet provacative, way. Here’s to nurturing only memories of sweetness on this Memorial Day.

    🙂

  13. Quote of the Day III:

    “The threshold question, not usually asked, but it’s in everyone’s mind in a presidential election. ‘Should we give this person nuclear weapons?’ And the answer [in Palin’s case], answers itself,” – George Will.

  14. Z, it is about remembering those lives in a peaceful way. One could sit and philosophize about violence, war and every cause and consequence and what does it accomplish? I can recognize all of things and say,”What can I learn from that? How do I teach that to others?” Violence begets violence period. The only way to peace is to recognize it and nurture it at every opportunity.

    Remembering our war dead through story would be a great start here. Is there a family member or a person you have heard about that has passed on, who someone would like to share a story about here? One of humanity, courage, and just being … That is how to remember those who have passed this day … with memories of sweetness, of who they were on this planet, their contribution and sacrifice, their goodness, etc. That is how I chose to show respect for their memory …

  15. We will rid the world of evildoers

    Ignoring what constitutes or rises to the level of “evil,” trying to achieve this end is nothing less than genocide.

  16. I have no need to knock myself or anyone else out; just trying to offer another way to approach the day is all.

    If you will excuse me, I have other matters to attend to at the moment.

    Peace ~

  17. It isn’t about ignoring evil, Badmoodman, it about understanding it’s root causes and working towards resolution at that basic level, if we the people or the governments in power would take the time and the humanity to do that. That is all I am saying.

    I must go now ~ Peace

  18. I have just one little problem with venerating the war dead. Not that they don’t deserve to be remembered. Not that we shouldn’t remember who they were, what dreams were snuffed. These are all good things but the one thing we miss and it is because there isn’t two way communication with them because I’m pretty certain they would be yelling at us that if we truly want their sacrifices to not be in vain, do something to end the senseless war mongering and slaughter instead of giving in to a war economy that guarantees we will always be dealing with fresh memories at Memorial Day.

  19. Excuse me, but get your damn church out of my government. If you want to ban dancing as inappropriate, do it in your fricking hallowed halls where you can torture yourselves and your religion to your heart’s content. Our government and monuments are not holy places.

  20. Ok, 3 racks of baby backs marinating. Pot full of baby reds cooking with a half dozen eggs for tater salad. Ears of corn soaking. And a big jug of sangria on ice. Now that will make a tasty picnic.

  21. It’s hot, really really hot. The baler is broken. I don’t have any wisdom to share, just saying hi.

  22. Spot-on-the-money, Hooda. I’ve long and strongly felt that this country’s leadership will invariably knuckle under to those who make immense profits thanks to war. I’ve also long felt that presidents have little or no choice in the matter, that for them it’s an “or else” situation. JFK most likely paid the full price for his refusal to militarily follow up on the Bay of Pigs and for his plans to pull out of rather than escalate military involvement in Vietnam. His brother RFK, had he been elected (and he likely would have) was taken out of the game shortly after he established himself as the likely nominee to face Nixon in 1968. Nixon kept the war in Vietnam alive for four more years. M.E. peacemaker Carter was a one-termer. Reagan helped with profits by selling arms to Iran and by supporting wars in Central America (and don’t forget Grenada, the first attempt at ridding the US of its “Vietnam Syndrome). Poppy Bush was a great warrior — Panama plus the nonsense in Kuwait (which was easily avoidable), and all in four short years; Clinton was reticent, but still there was Bosnia, and it was a moneymaker; Dubsy was hugely profitable, and Obama has played the game in both Iraq and Afghanistan all-the-while talking pullout.

    As Winston Churchill once put it, “I fear that ill winds and The High Cabal shall determine our fate.”

    I have little remaining doubt that he did, indeed, know exactly of which he spoke.

  23. I want to eat at your house Hooda. I’m boiling chicken scraps to make pot pie. I accidentally threw the ham scraps in. This should taste “different”.

  24. Outstanding, hay balers are the least reliable farm implements. I remember many times when my dad would come home at an odd time because the baler broke down.

    It’s really hot here too.

  25. This day is always a hard day for me. I’m glad that the country honors those who have fallen and all veterans in general who have served and given to this country, and that’s a good thing. The part I have a problem with is the fact that for 364 days of the year, the powers that be could give a shit about the plight of veterans and soldiers. We keep sending them into meat grinder wars with no end in sight, and then when they have finished their time, they forget about us.

    America has a funny way of honoring the people who have spilled blood for this country, and to the ones who paid the ultimate price.

  26. I don’t really believe that God sends storms to punish people, but years ago our hay was down and the baler broke. I called an equipment dealer and pretended I was interested in buying their baler, but wanted to try it out first. They agreed. We made one bale before the blackest, fiercest thunderstorm I’d ever seen descended upon us. Ruined the hay and knocked down several large trees near the house. Lying is really bad.

  27. Outstanding, from my late teen years on the farm we had a saying. Everything is held together with baling wire and binder twine. My buddie’s dad quickly learned I wasn’t just some city kid when his son and I managed to limp a failing bailer through the first haying with little more than that. Glad my dad was mechanically inclined and passed it on to me. 😉

    And the chicken/ham pot pie sounds interesting. They play nice together in jambalaya.

  28. September 11 had not only offered a pretext for invading Iraq; it also set in motion a boom for military contractors, which had been concerned about the diminishing demand for weaponry in a post-Communist era. At the same time it justified the creation of a vast new domestic security industry, another lucrative component of the military-industrial complex. Both the Pentagon and the Department of Homeland Security now had endless programs to fund in the name of a new kind of war—carried out abroad and at home, against an invisible enemy, and with no expiration date. The annual corporate reports of government contractors practically gushed over the new opportunities. “I think our shareholders understand why we’re in this business,” said Halliburton chief executive David J. Lesar.

    From Baker, Russ (2010). Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty, America’s Invisible Government, and the Hidden History of the Last Fifty Years (Kindle Locations 9969-9975). Bloomsbury Press. Kindle Edition.

  29. frugal, I’ve been tempted to try a story like Dicken’s Christmas Story only modernized with Scrooge being the President and visited by the ghosts of War, Past, Present and Future. Sadly, I’m no Dickens.

  30. Hmmm, while I am not a Dickens I do sometimes have little flashes of inspiration for short stories. Must be from watching Twilight Zone as a child. Might work.

  31. I know I asked this the other day, and I apologize if I missed any replies to it, but there’s something about this I don’t understand:

    http://errorlevelanalysis.com/permalink/428f7a2/

    It says, “As a jpeg image is resaved over and over again, its image quality decreases.” How is this so? Isn’t a jpeg file just another computer file? And aren’t all computer files just a collection of ones and zeros? If so, how could a jpeg image possibly degrade with successive saves? It’s true that if you photocopy an image and then copy the copy, the image quality will degrade. But if computer files degraded with each save, nothing would be safe for saving. All of the posts at The Zoo would degrade every time a new post is added (because the whole site is saved on somebody’s computer.)

    Look, I want this explanation to be accurate because it would once and for all prove Breitbart is lying – again. But it just doesn’t sound right to me. I am not claiming to be any kind of expert on anything, but I need more of an explanation than what we were given here.

  32. Maybe since a jpeg file involves data compression, if it were saved with low resolution and then read using a higher resolution the algorithm would fill in some of the missing bits of picture based on the value of the neighboring pixels and blur the image. I don’t think this would have to occur, or would always occur, but I believe it could occur.

  33. I caught CASINO JACK on the dish VOD this weekend.
    Kevin Spacey was great as Abramoff. Anyone else seen it?

  34. I’ve never seen a jpg degrade. Without help. But then I’ve only been messing with them since 1998 or so … shoot, save, transfer here, there, floppy to hard drive to hard drive to jump drive to hard drive to CD to DVD, directly and via email, etc. Never saw one degrade in the process. That doesn’t mean they can’t, of course. Degrade.

  35. Wayne, I didn’t have a clue about what you were talking about or why you were talking about it until I read on another site about Anthony Weiner’s twitter being hacked. This hacking stuff is confusing to me and even reading the accounts of it leaves me a little disoriented because I can’t follow it.

    All I can say is there are many forces at work to eliminate truly liberal voices in favor of the people — such as Alan Grayson, Anthony Weiner and Russ Feingold. I can’t believe that Weiner would do this, but if he did, it makes me sad.

    What is amazing to me is the Breitbarts of this world always seem to gravitate to sex to discredit someone, don’t they? Whereas Republicans tend to discredit themselves in this manner…

  36. I’ve been to the Vietnam memorial. There are places along that wall where the grief is palpable….

    I like Lass’ suggestion – to remember our fallen not in terms of the war that killed them, but in terms of the lives they lived…

  37. LL, oh my, I really tried to follow all that tweet/twitter stuff – seems I’ll need a lesson on how to ‘follow’ the ‘conversation’!

    (I’ll stick with the real world avian vocalizations of warbling, clicks, e-chupping, etc.)

  38. Some humor, on this solemn day:

    Alerts to Threats in 2011 Europe, by John Cleese

    The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from “Run” to “Hide.” The only two higher levels in France are “Collaborate” and “Surrender.” The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France ‘s white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country’s military capability.

    The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent events in Libya and have therefore raised their security level from “Miffed” to “Peeved.” Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to “Irritated” or even “A Bit Cross.” The English have not been “A Bit Cross” since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from “Tiresome” to “A Bloody Nuisance.” The last time the British issued a “Bloody Nuisance” warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.

    The Scots have raised their threat level from “Pissed Off” to “Let’s get the Bastards.” They don’t have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.

    Italy has increased the alert level from “Shout Loudly and Excitedly” to “Elaborate Military Posturing.” Two more levels remain: “Ineffective Combat Operations” and “Change Sides.”

    The Germans have increased their alert state from “Disdainful Arrogance” to “Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs.” They also have two higher levels: “Invade a Neighbor” and “Lose.”

    Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels.

    The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.

    Australia, meanwhile, has raised its security level from “No worries” to “She’ll be alright, Mate.” Two more escalation levels remain: “Crikey! I think we’ll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!” and “The barbie is canceled.” So far no situation has ever warranted use of the final escalation level.

    • These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.

      Ohhhh stinger!!

  39. Quote of the Day III:

    “Sarah Palin is telegenic–and she clearly requites the camera’s love a thousand-fold. We don’t care; such behavior is no longer unseemly. Far more important than her potential to be the first female president is her potential to be the first reality-show subject to become president. At this point it must be conceded she’s underestimated. … Sarah knows something we don’t. And she appears to be shameless. I wish it were a movie. Then I could laugh,” – Dennis Dale.

    http://www.amconmag.com/blog/2011/05/29/get-your-donors-runnin/

  40. “Is America ready for a President who thinks the Dukes of Hazard is a documentary?”

    An increasing amount of Americans can’t tell it isn’t.

  41. My favorite:

    “The Scots have raised their threat level from “Pissed Off” to “Let’s get the Bastards.” They don’t have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.”

    But that’s because it’s so true. Heck, the Scot’s motto translates to “No one attacks me with impunity!”

  42. I wonder what will happen when the WBC have to bury one of their own.

    Normally, on such an occasion, I would say, “I will not celebrate the death of any man but I will not weep for this one.”

    Normally.

    Instead, I’ll give him the thought he deserves. None.

  43. One more thing… I am about 1/3 of the way through the book, “Area 51, The Uncensored History of American Topic Secret Military Base”. I can understand why people don’t trust the government and I can understand how and why conspiracies are created. This book should be required reading for all college students.

  44. Thanks, Zooey. I returned with several more bugs bites 😦 . We were near Bethel, NY, the site of the original Woodstock Festival. The band Phish had a 3 day concert this weekend and my daughter and her husband are “Phish heads” and we were invited along as “babysitters”. 🙂

    • LL, from the Urban Dictionary:

      Generally accepted internet rule that states that pornography or sexually related material exists for any conceivable subject.

      Heh.

  45. My family motto is “Touch Not A Catt Bot A Targe”, but I could go with “If it’s nae Scottish, it’s crap!”

  46. “I wonder what will happen when the WBC have to bury one of their own”

    Reminded me of this:
    “I’ll be oh, so glad when you dead, you rascal, you.
    I’ll be glad when you dead, you rascal, you.
    I’ll be standing on a corner full of gin
    When they bring your dead body in,
    I’ll be glad when you dead, you rascal, you. ”
    Cab Calloway

  47. I have an announcement to make. In celebration of Cats reading about Area 51 and the recent pyramid discoveries in Egypt, I will reveal my true identity to you all:

    I am a space alien.

    Thank you.

  48. lass, if you are from Arcurtus, I should put you in touch with my cousin who has long had dealings with them. Even wrote a couple of books about it.

  49. Frugal, I used your pemnic for the rub on my ribs today. With the red wine marinade, they hardly needed BBQ sauce.

  50. “Frugal, I used your pemnic for the rub on my ribs today. With the red wine marinade, they hardly needed BBQ sauce.”

    Ya know, that sounds pretty kinky when you read it out of context.

  51. “PEMNIC” (powder) is, of course, an acronym for Planet Earth’s Most Nearly Immortal Chili (powder), and yes, I agree, it’s a nearly complete food in itself. Ribs are a nice adjunct, give you something to chew on whilst you eat and enjoy the pemnic. 🙂

  52. Bumper stiucker seen on the way back from family camping on the ‘dry side’ (not so dry actually)….

    “I am *totally* against the next war”

  53. “The Scots have raised their threat level from “Pissed Off” to “Let’s get the Bastards.” They don’t have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years”

    Me and my footy mate Andy were at the Sounders game this week and were at the Brougham End where the Sounders Ultras gather. His opinion: “Ye know, this game could use a wee bit ‘o religious intolerance to spice it up”.

    Andy is a Glaswegian….

  54. Camping this weekend, camping again next weekend……. still managed to see Barcelona totally pants Manchester on Saturday…… it was a good advert for the game and sets the standard for team play for years to come I think.

  55. “Ye know, this game could use a wee bit ‘o religious intolerance to spice it up”.

    BLOTD!

    😆

  56. Just got back from two days of bottomfishing for black rockfish. Limited both days, got em cleaned & vacuum packed, now for dinner and an early bedtime!

    And never shall we forget the ultimate sacrifice our brethren have made for us. Bad war or good, they gave their lives.

  57. RUC, bottom fishing…and you didn’t catch any Republicans? Teabaggers?? What kinda bait were you using….tax hikes?

    😉

  58. Mem Day v Veterans Day – where i’m from what passes for Vets Day is ‘Remembrance Day’ – end of First World War…

    I was lucky that my immediate family mostly skipped both wars due to being too young (17 at the end) for the first one and too old and in a reserved industry (38 and painting Spitfires at Armstrongs in Newcastle). Some of my great uncles were in WWI and were gassed – they were invalided out and died young.

    My dad does have a good tale to tell about the Cuban Missile Crisis as an MP in the BAOR in Koln, but that’s about it. Hopefully, my children will not *have* to go through a war – whatever the war – its hell on earth.

  59. TtT, thank you also for you post. Is there reference to the incident elsewhere in any media outlet? The Mail has some critics with regard to their reporting style; I am just trying to verify facts about the incident is all.

  60. Catching up – Syria is absolutely appalling, so were the 55 standing ovationxs from the United States Congress Netanyahu got for saying that the whole of the west bank and Jerusalem belonged to him and to hell with anyone else who lived there right now ….

    Obama is failing this spring and he’ll get re-elected anyway… because this country is so utterly f***ed up.

  61. Yeah, nothing like a little Zionism thrown into my midnight snack mix [[crunch]]

    I’m thinking the Zoo could write a letter, expressing our concerns to the President, with some progressive ideas on how he could do a better job. The worst that could happen is that the letter wouldn’t arrive to him, or that the ideas presented would be ignored … what do you think?

  62. I guess I take heart that the Arab Spring really doesn’t give a shit what the US government does or does not do. Apart from an almost-too-late action in Libya, the US has either been in the way, aided and abetted or totally ignored the most significant popular movement since 1989.

  63. I think you’d get a version of my last link…. Obama’s speechifying on a piece of chewing gum….

  64. Walt, you mean that apart from Newt ‘here’s a diamond, now bend over’ Gingrich, the entire GOP field is either a raving nutjob Christian Dominionist or Mitt ‘Jim Jones? Now *that’s* a cult!’ Romney?

  65. Well, the new TP is up, sort of. Anybody know what to do with it? It appears to have some connection with Facebook, maybe.

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