The Watering Hole: June 21st – The Eve of Destruction

The Ocean is the place where all life started and where the life of many of its species is about to be ended by mankind  for ever.

This is our Open Thread

143 thoughts on “The Watering Hole: June 21st – The Eve of Destruction

  1. Wayne, You are going to enjoy having a DVR cable tuner. I don’t know how I would do without mine. My Comcast uses a Motorola unit. I almost never record shows, because then they become archives and I never watch them. It has two tuners that you can switch between, and I mainly use the ability to store video from the selected channel on each to watch shows delayed on the same day. Last night I watched Keith on one tuner, while I ‘stored’ MSNBC on the other. You can even pause the video and change tuners, and go back to the paused show at the same point, up to two hours delayed, before the tuner runs out of storage time and restarts itself. I’m watching Rachel’s early morning repeat right now, even though it aired two hours ago.

      • Mornin’ Lass. I’ll switch over to webstreams here shortly. I have something on all day, but the day is built around Thom Hartmann, 11-2pm my time.

    • Thanks, house. My concern about getting DVR in the first place was that we would record a bunch of stuff that we would never watch. (We have hundreds of hours of VHS recordings in the basement that have never been watched even once, let alone twice.) But I thought of a practical reason for getting it. Jane and I are both fans of the Stargate series of programs, and sometimes they are on late at night (on SyFy on Friday nights and WPIX Saturday nights). If we stay up to watch them, we are up until three or four in the morning, and this throws off our sleeping schedule. By the time Sunday night rolls around, it’s hard to go to sleep at a decent hour, which just makes Monday mornings even worse than they would already be. It’s my hope that we can record them and watch them at a decent afternoon hour the next day. We’ll see how that works out. 🙂

      And it was worth it to get Current TV and to be able to watch Keith Olbermann again. We missed him.

      • Keith was certainly up to expectations last night. I only got about two hours of sleep yesterday morning so I crashed right at the end, barely making it to select The Big Picture on RT at the end. I don’t even remember what Thom started his show with. I got a good eight hours of sleep for a change last night, though

      • It’s also great for watching baseball, especially day games. I can work a nap in and still not miss an at-bat. Very amusing watching those at-bats sped up, too.

        • Thanks, gummitch. Met games played during the day time are usually re-broadcast on SNY at 7 PM. But I’ll watch for those times when that might niot happen (such as when they’re on Fox or ESPN.) ALso, how does the DVR know when to stop recording if the game goes extra innings? I’d hate to miss the end of an extr-inning game that they won.

  2. Good Morning, House! And thank you, EV for the reminder about the world’s oceans 🙂

    The ocean calls me and, while often difficult to put into words, I will try to articulate here now. Many years ago while studying in college, our professor for “Man and the Environment” mentioned a town on the Baltic Sea, Eliat, where a man was encouraging women in the latter stages of pregnancy to come and give birth, as the local dolphins there were acting as midwives to for these women. I thought to myself, “What a beautifully peaceful way to come into the world!” Much life you mentioned EV, from “where all life started”.

    Flashforward to almost two years ago. I had this “dream/vision” while walking along the coast of a NJ bayside town:

    “12/6/09  My dream  . . .

    I am walking on a deserted beach, the warm sand beneath my feet.  To my left is the ocean calm, holding my hand is the man I love.  We softly speak of the gentle rumblings in my womb of our babies, eagerly waiting to arrive, as they become louder . . .

    A nearby pod of dolphins plays and we greet them . . . my contractions getting closer and stronger . . . the cetaceans take over as midwives and my love is by my side . . .

    Olivia Rose and “Little Alex” are born happy, healthy and surrounded by the all of the love in the world.  The dolphins continue their peaceful chatter, and we amble back to shore; my love carves all of our names in a heart on the sand.  Tired, yet blissful, my family sleeps on the shoreline . . .

    And we live happily ever after . . .”

    I hope to visit with the ocean soon ~ Every Day is World Oceans Day (June 8) in my ❤

    Now, I'm off to make some wicked good "yahn" 😉


    • Nice, Lass. Mystical.

      EV’s post brought to mind an essay of sorts by Mark Twain, one called The Damned Human Race. Here are a couple of excerpts:

      I’ve been studying the traits and dispositions of the lower animals (so-called), and contrasting them with the traits and dispositions of man. I find the result humiliating to me. For it obliges me to renounce my allegiance to the Darwinian theory of the Ascent of Man from the Lower Animals; since it now seems plain to me that the theory ought to be vacated in favor of a new and truer one, this new and truer one to be named the Descent of Man from the Higher Animals.

      In proceeding toward this unpleasant conclusion I have not guessed or speculated or conjectured, but have used what is commonly called the scientific method. That is to say, I have subjected every postulate that presented itself to the crucial test of actual experiment, and have adopted it or rejected it according to the result. Thus I verified and established each step of my course in its turn before advancing to the next. These experiments were made in the London Zoological Gardens, and covered many months of painstaking and fatiguing work.


      Some of my experiments were quite curious. In the course of my reading I had come across a case where, many years ago, some hunters on our Great Plains organized a buffalo hunt for the entertainment of an English earl. They had charming sport. They killed seventy-two of those great animals; and ate part of one of them and left the seventy-one to rot. In order to determine the difference between an anaconda and an earl (if any) I caused seven young calves to be turned into the anacondas cage. The grateful reptile immediately crushed one of them and swallowed it, then lay back satisfied. It showed no further interest in the calves, and no disposition to harm them. I tried this experiment with other anacondas; always with the same result. The fact stood proven that the difference between an earl and an anaconda is that the earl is cruel and the anaconda isn’t; and that the earl wantonly destroys what he has no use for, but the anaconda doesn’t. This seemed to suggest that the anaconda was not descended from the earl. It also seemed to suggest that the earl was descended from the anaconda, and had lost a good deal in the transition.


      In the course of my experiments I convinced myself that among the animals man is the only one that harbors insults and injuries, broods over them, waits till a chance offers, then takes revenge. The passion of revenge is unknown to the higher animals.In the course of my experiments I convinced myself that among the animals man is the only one that harbors insults and injuries, broods over them, waits till a chance offers, then takes revenge. The passion of revenge is unknown to the higher animals. …

      Etc. It’s always fascinated me that Twain could embed so much vicious truth about the human species in his essays AND at the same time keep me chuckling from beginning to end. And all of this written a century or more ago but as appropriate to our current condition as if written yesterday!

      When human finally succeeds at self-extinction, there can be no cosmic or earthly lament other than the recognition that he took so many species so completely undeserving of such fate with him.

  3. This is probably a more apt song… “Wipe Out.” That’s what Mother Nature’s going to do life on the planet if we keep messing things up.

  4. With the economy in the tank, unemployment still around 9%, the MIC still profiting from 3 wars, I bet if the republiscum take back the senate after the 2012 elections they will try to impeach Obama. It will be the perfect distraction to entertain the sheople.

    Not that I’m pleased with Obama or the democrats but God forbid the republicans win back the senate. The way Obama caves into them, we will probably see them push horrible bills like they did during Clinton’s last term, like for example NAFTA, Gramm-Leach-Bliley and the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, and Obama will oblige.

  5. Meanwhile in Europe, the Eurocrats are taking a leaf out of Naomi Klein’s book and talking about implementing ‘fiscal federalism’ – even on those countries which opted out of the Euro…..

    Wow. Talking with my sister on Sunday, she didn’t think about this even in her wildest imagination (former UK bond trader). She said the Greeks would get ejected from the Euro, default and devalue (and get bought out by the Chinese).

    • Ummm.check the source…..the auhtor of that article is a conservative journalist turned MEP who’d degree is in modern history not finance/economics—and he’s a “reformer” , just like the Republicans are reformers.

      • One thing seems to be absolutely clear that the creation of the Euro was a purely political play – from the Maastricht criteria onwards (which half the countries who signed up – including the French broke before they even started) to the now contrary to the charter bailouts of Greece.

        “The euro was launched on the basis of an explicit assurance that no country could assume the debts of another: a promise written into the Treaties as Article 125.
        No one in Brussels pretends that the bailouts are legal. As the French finance minister, Christine Lagarde, put it with admirable frankness six months ago: ‘We violated all the rules because we wanted to close ranks and really rescue the euro zone.’

        Blatant and flagrant disregard for the rules…. who would be part of the Eurozone now? They blew it.

    • Here’s a decent opinion piece frmo the Guardian – explains a lot of the choices facing the EU. The likelihood is that the EU will pursue a course that will make matters worse: trying to preserve the Euro at all costs. The risk for countries outside the EU is that they get pulled in to join the bailouts even thought they chose to stay out of the currency by choice. I can even imagine the Danes getting pretty snaky if that happens.

      • LOTS of clips post by “Hissyspit” on The Democratic Underground. They were posted right after the first showing…you might have to search for them now…hopefully the person will continue to post right after each show. What about YouTube?

        …I love it here but I really, really like the DU.

  6. I have a new compooper with real speakers that makes listening to videos not offensive like my old computer did when it actually loaded them. Yay.

    • So you’re set for Music Night like never before then?

      Radio Shack sells a five dollar adapter that allows two RCA cables to feed audio from the computer to the Aux inputs on a stereo receiver and play the sound through your audio system. I can play computer sound in my bedroom, bathroom, and kitchen/utility room. Makes listening to Hartmann (or anything) easy even when I’m cooking or cleaning.

  7. It’s a Palinalooza Day!!:

    Here’s a fun review of Geoffrey Dunn’s book, “The Lies Of Sarah Palin.” This is the first time I’ve read this devastating assessment of her from her local paper, The Frontiersman:

    “Wasilla residents have been subject to attempts to unlawfully appoint council members, statements that have been shown to be patently untrue, unrepentant backpedaling, and incessant whining that her only enemies are the press and a few disgruntled supporters of Mayor Stein. Mayor Palin fails to have a firm grasp of something very simple: the truth.”

    Palin’s a 40-something 8th grader:

    “She may be the first who has put together “a perfect storm” of all of the most dangerous qualities of a demagogue in a single package: she is mean-spirited, inept, vindictive, and lazy, but can play all the emotional chords in the correct keys of the lower octaves of America’s divisive undercurrents.”

    Never under-estimate the power of a demagogue in a recession. Especially one in which the jobs are never coming back.–by-Herbert-Calhoun-110620-388.html


    Leaks from spawn Bristol’s vicious little book:

    “Palin writes that the first time she met the 26-year-old daughter of Sen. John McCain, she “ignored us during the entire visit.” This was just before Senator McCain introduced Sarah Palin as his running mate. Palin adds that she “had a sneaking suspicion I might need to watch my back.”

    “Every time we saw Meghan, she seemed to be constantly checking us out, comparing my family to hers and complaining,” she writes. “Oh the complaining.”

    Cindy McCain also rubbed the Bristol the wrong way.

    “I’d never seen people with so much Louis Vuitton luggage, so many cell phones, and so many constant helpers to do hair and makeup,” Palin writes, adding that the would-be first lady looked “like a queen” and held “herself like royalty.”

  8. “I’d never seen people with so much Louis Vuitton luggage, so many cell phones, and so many constant helpers to do hair and makeup,” Palin writes, adding that the would-be first lady looked “like a queen” and held “herself like royalty.”

    I’m sure that Bristol still buys her clothes off the rack at Penney’s and has no entourage when she travels. Her comments about the McCains drip with envy.

    • Have to be cautious of the ‘silent ones’ – they usually have something to hide! ;>

      Clarence, being the dutiful Repugnant one, sees absolutely nothing wrong and has no intentions of ever resigning.

      (I signed the petition yesterday)

      • Thomas will never resign. The only means of getting him off the SCOTUS is impeachment, classical form: House impeaches, Senate convicts. It’ll never happen without a substantial Dem (or simple Progressive) majority in the House together with a filibuster-proof Progressive majority in the Senate (no Blue Dogs — we know with whom they’ll side on such matters).

        The national ballot box opens in November, 2012; I suggest the Dems start working NOW on how to diligently OPPOSE Republicans, and to explain to an apparently under-bright electorate the consequences to the nation of a GOP triple takeover, as compared with the benefits of a Progressive mandate. Time is already short, and the silence of the Dems is more than a bit scary.

        • “The Silence of the Dems” — wasn’t than an Anthony Hopkins movie? Something about how when lambs … Dems, I mean … are about to be slaughtered they become very quiet?

  9. I’m wondering how much of an impact the real dark horse is going to have on this upcoming election cycle. We are coming off a winter of record storms, followed by flooding, drought, wildfires and the worst tornado season recorded. Hurricane season is fast approaching. And it isn’t just here in the US. I’m sure Australia, Japan, Iceland and all the rest of the world will be feeling more impact from the dark horse no one can buy or ignore.

    Politics are important but ole Mother Nature doesn’t play them. If it doesn’t catch us this cycle, there will be the next.

      • He can sell those “Bangles, baubles and beads” to defray, or alternatively Tiffany’s will ‘loan’ him the money.

    • It would be nice if we could get his name into the lexicon to mean “failure.”

      He really gingriched up that campaign.

      He’s such a newt. (to mean failure)

    • The Donald might be worse. The way that he crawled out on the birther limb only to have it sawed off by President Obama is a classic I won’t soon forget.

      That being said, I think that any of the remaining GOoPers could fail more spectacularly than either Newt or Trump. Mittens has to run away from his faith and “librul” history. T-Paw also has some old “librul” tendencies and left office with a $6 billion debt in his home state. Ron Paul is Ron Paul. Cain can’t read anything longer than three pages. Huntsman is on record acknowledging AGW. And Batscat Bachmann’s insanity is well documented and is sure to be turned against her by her opponents.

      McCain’s choice of Bible Spice gave us the least qualified person to ever run for federal office and one could make the case that all of the GOoPers, excepting Mittens, are even worse.

    • FINALLY! the days will start to SHORTEN and, with luck, the temps will eventually GO DOWN to the point where one can actually breathe again! And then … and THEN … COLD and SNOW! Can’t wait!

      I should note that I survived forty-three summers living in the AZ desert. Near as I can tell, I’ll never be cold again. 😯

    • Yes, summer. The forecast is (was) to reach 83F today. It’s 1:04 pm and the temperature is 70F. I’m skeptical. The heat wave is scheduled to last through tomorrow; on Thursday the projected high is 67F.

        • Agree! I don’t mind up to 80 degrees – beyond that, without zephyr – forget it!

          I’ll send gummitch the Bay Area heatwave – we don’t want it.
          94 degrees is just too damn warm/hot.

          • I totally agree about 94 being too damn warm/hot. Especially if you have to work or play in it. I’d take 80 degrees with a lite breeze all summer long.

  10. Mittens religion/cult may not be a hindrance – after all he’d be going up against a Kenyan socialist.
    Voters wouldn’t even flip a coin on that one—–go with the secret/special underwear man.

    • That may be true in the general election but I think it’s unlikely that Mittens can win the nomination once the others go into full-blown attack mode. I would say that his only hope will be a combination of painting the Mormon faith as a mainstream Christian sect and playing the victim card.

    • Very good point. The republicans will unite no matter who their candidate is when his opponent is happens to be a Kenyan socialist who might also be a Muslim and the anti-Christ.

      I will go as far and say, Mitt could even beat Barack. Don’t let the media fool you with all of this talk about Mitt being toast. We forget how the republican party does things. They have a waiting list for their presidential candidates. Last time was McCain’s time, Mitt is next in line.

      Mitt is a corporate/business guy so he will attract the big money. Lots of republicans I know actually like Romney and would vote for him and I bet this case would be similar all across the country.

      Why else do I think this? Because I remember reading an article shortly after the 2008 elections that claimed because the Mormons stepped up to help defeat gay marriage in California, quietly behind the scenes the Evangelist’s have agreed to support Romney for president in 2012. We shall see. Plus again in a way, the media is giving it away. They want to build a story, the comeback kid, just like they did with McCain in the 2008 republican presidential primaries.

  11. Now we’re talkin’. But will the GOPers listen? I mean, give me a break, this is the Marine Sergeant Major!

    “How dare we, then, exclude a group of people who want to do the same thing you do right now, something that is honorable and noble?” Sgt. Maj. Barrett continued, raising his voice just a notch. “Right?”

  12. Speaking of summer, we’re just getting drenched up here. Flood warnings have been issued along the Minnesota River from Henderson to Savage. If it floods (and at this point it looks imminent) it will be the fourth time in about 15 months. Unreal.

    • That’s really off the wall, zxbe. I can remember a handful of Minnesota River floods in the fifties, but only in the spring, and certainly not with any predictable regularity.

      Henderson: I know that wide-spot-in-the-road well. My dad was born and raised in Gaylord which, iirc, is less than 20 miles just about straight west (and well above the Mn River’s floodplain). My granddad, in fact, installed the first telephone system in Sibley County and its surround back in the first years of the 20th century; 100 years ago, the switchboard was still in his house. Times change.

      Well, maybe the floodwaters will keep the mosquito population down? Any port in a storm.

    • I’m having severe T-Storm warnings here. Saturday afternoon I was without power for five hours because a tree blew onto a power line two blocks away. At least the storm front cooled things off, so it wasn’t too hot in the house. We spent most of the afternoon watching the tree crew and utility crew put things back.

      • I was without power for 4 days earlier this Spring. Back in 2008 I lost power for 7 days after a small tornado blew through the area. I don’t like having no power. It sucks!

        *What did cavemen do for fun before fire?*

        • IP, we had four days without power here when the tornadoes came through on April 27th. It started on a Wednesday afternoon, and we got power back Sunday night shortly before Obama announced we had killed Bin Laden.

    • I haven’t read the article yet but have followed it locally in the past. What I understand is that many of these people aren’t actually going to prison or jail for being in debt but for failing to show up in court.

      But then again, lets say these people do show up for court to admit that they are behind on their credit card, the Judge will arrange a payment schedule, if the person fails to abide by this new arrangement by the courts, I suppose they could go to jail.

      Hmmm…So let me get this straight. You or I could possibly be thrown in jail for being in debt, most likely credit card debt, yet the banksters and crooksters on Wall Street AND the politicians who’ve put us in debt are immune from the same law?

      *Looking for my pitchfork and torch*

  13. Lots of snow this winter and lots of rain this spring and summer. I still think we should be collecting/siphoning all of the excess flood water in the Upper Midwest or where ever, and send it via tanker trucks to other regions of the country where water levels are low due to drought.

    Why let all of this water just flow straight into the Gulf of Mexico???

    Where is all of this American Exceptionalism I keep hearing the republicans and their tea party cousins always preach about?

    See….If I were the President, after going on a tour of US Cities and informing the people about the droughts in the Southwest, energy, floods, cost of damage, I would tell them about my plan to contain flood waters by pumping the water out until it is to a safe level, transport the water cross country to regions that have faced a drought as the trend continues of water levels getting dangerously low, not only for humans but also for energy purposes….and than I’d get er done..

    Then….Thanks to global warming and its idiot deniers, there will be a global shortage of water and it will become the new oil and because of my brilliant plan as your ingenious, fearless leader, the USA would own much of the water and would become the lone super power again…boo-hoo-hoo-ha! 😉

    • Unfortunately, drought states would probably just pour all the water on golf courses for the rich while the poor are left to suck on pebbles to, artificially, make them feel like their thirst is being quenched.

      • LOL! You are probably right Pete. About leaving the poor to suck on Pebbles. But hey, we live in the world of capitalism, we could corner the market on pebbles and make a real killing while really sticking it to the poor. 😉

        But seriously, I think the idea above would not only create some jobs but it would be an intelligent way to reuse water that otherwise would cause destruction. By God, it could be a matter of national security if there ever was a severe global H20 shortage.

  14. Quote of the Day:

    “Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution is pretty simple. It says, ‘Raise an army.’ It says absolutely nothing about race, color, creed, sexual orientation. … Let’s just move on, treat everybody with firmness, fairness, dignity, compassion and respect. Let’s be Marines,” – Sgt. Maj. Micheal Barrett, the top non-commissioned officer of the Marine Corps, on the repeal of DADT.

  15. On the Twitter

    SenJohnMcCain John McCain
    Had a great meeting with Philippine Foreign Minister Albert del Rosario in my office today

    WayneASchneider Wayne A Schneider
    @SenJohnMcCain Did you accuse Philippine Foreign Minister Albert del Rosario of starting the AZ wildfires when you met him?

    This tweeting thing is fun! I love the First Amendment! 🙂

    • Let’s be clear. Officials say all three blazes are the result of human activity. Whether illegal immigrants were involved – as has sometimes been the case – is unknown.

      The issue heated up over the weekend when McCain told reporters: “There is substantial evidence that some of these fires have been caused by people who have crossed our border illegally. The answer to that part of the problem is to get a secure border.”

  16. My wingnut cousin, an AZ resident, is really bent about “those goddam illegals” for starting, he says, “the Monument fire, at least.”

    I said, “What difference does it make who starts the fires? If it’s an illegal, the only thing he proves is that forest fires in the Southwest are not ALL started by legal white boy idiots.”

    He didn’t like that. I won’t hear from him now until sometime in late fall. Works every time.

  17. SpeakerBoehner Speaker John Boehner
    Tonight, two House resolutions related to the President’s Libya policy will be posted online. More here:

    WayneASchneider Wayne A Schneider
    @SpeakerBoehner Does either of these resolutions create jobs? I doubt it. Where are the jobs, Mr.Speaker?

    Ooh, I’m gonna like going on the Twitter. 😀

    • I’m glad you have found a way to vent but I would like to remind you that you are poking very powerful people who have no sense of honor. They probably won’t send any goons after you but I could see them indulging in a little hacking type retribution. Keep your AV software up to date!

      • I appreciate the warning, pete, but I am not afraid. And if I ever catch them doing any such thing (to an AF vet, no less, exercising his First Amendment rights), the publicity I will make sure follows will make them regret their actions.

        • I’m sure you’re not afraid and would hope you never are. Fear can make smart people do stupid things. But? I still wouldn’t put much any mischief past the righties. It’s one thing to corner a vicious dog and quite another to turn your back on it. I encourage you to keep your eyes forward. Good AV and spamblockers are what I recommend.

    • Speaking of the SCOTUS:

      I’m incensed at my local paper. They ran a big headline that reads; “Supreme Court unanimously rejects class action suit against Wal-Mart”.

      That headline is a lie. There were two parts to the class action suit. The part that was rejected unanimously was an action seeking back pay and, rightfully I think, they ruled that the individual cases were so different that they couldn’t be included in a single case. The actual gender discrimination case was rejected by a 5-4 margin with, you guessed it, the five Reichwhiners in the majority. I’ve really grown to hate that utterly predictable 5-4 margin. I might add that we are really screwed as long as the final arbiters of justice are political creatures.

        • It seems like lots of “news” sources used “unanimous” in their headlines. Since many, if not most, people don’t read past the headlines there are a whole lot of people who will never know that the Court was split along ideological lines in this case. Our press/media really sucks!

  18. Beckyboy is really going out in style. Today he blamed Obama for, wait for it, causing high gas prices by supporting revolutions in the Mideast. Leaving aside the fact that oil production (including domestic production) and supplies are high while demand is actually going down a tiny bit, I guess that Beckyboy is in full support for despots if they keep oil prices down.

    And, of course, he makes no mention of the speculators who bought oil futures a few years ago at an artificially inflated price and now have to jack up the price to make good their losses. That oil is finally reaching the end users and the traders will lose their yachts and solid gold shoes if we are buying gas at less that $3.00 a gallon.

  19. I don’t have overall numbers for Countdown, but the numbers for MSNBC seem to show a drop for O’Donnell.
    8pm–Last Word————-825,000——-237,000
    9pm–Rachel Maddow—-1,069,000—–310,000
    10pm–Ed Schultz————983,000——-319,000

    Ed hasn’t been beating O’Donnell except on occasions like his special reporting from the protests in Wisconsin. I’d say this difference is the largest I’ve seen. Ed’s 25-54 numbers beating Rachel’s is a real surprise, but Ed had a good night while Rachel was about normal . We don’t have a way to count how many watch these shows on-line, but as more people figure out ways to get Keith’s show, his numbers should improve. Keith’s 25-54 demo is pretty high considering Current reaches many less households than MSNBC.

    • You know, I was wondering that very thing earlier today. I think she might be traveling to an interview somewhere she might want to live, which wouldn’t be where she is now. But I’m jes’ speculatin’.

    • Speaking of WSJ:

      “Suppose we enacted a modest fiscal stimulus program specifically designed for maximum job creation. My personal favorite is a tax credit for firms that add to their payrolls, but there are other options. And suppose we combined that with a serious plan for reducing future deficits—and enacted the whole package now. Then we could, in a sense, have our cake and eat it, too.

      A package like that is not fantasy. I believe that a bipartisan group of economists, if given the authority, free of political interference, would design some version of it. But that’s not how budget decisions are, or should be, made. And as long as one political party clings to the idea that government spending kills jobs, it’s hard to see how we extricate ourselves from this mess,” – Alan Blinder, WSJ.

      The notion that Herbert Hoover was right has become quite a persistent meme on the reality-challenged right.

  20. Had enough?

    * The too big to fail banks and Wall Street, the guys who nearly destroyed our economy, get bailed out with tax payer dollars, face no prison sentences, use the bailout money to give out nice raises and bonuses.

    * While 95% of America struggles in one way or another, the 5% continue to get nice tax cuts. Tax cuts that have not only been proven to not create jobs but also cuts the revenue for the Federal Government, whose losses are passed on down to local and State governments, who then pass the losses on down to we the people in the form of new taxes, new fees, higher property taxes, cuts in services, higher utility rates, etc, etc, etc.

    * 10 years at war in Afghanistan, 8 years at war in Iraq, involved in Yemen, Libya and possibly Syria. The final price tag for Iraq and Afghanistan could be well over $5 trillion. Spending $2 billion a week in Libya.

    * Oil companies making record profits yet continue to receive government subsidies, while they avoid paying US taxes.

    * Multinational corporations and big business continue to receive government subsidies while shipping American jobs overseas.

    And yet we the people, the 95% are being asked to sacrifice more, while the wealthy and those who created this economic clusterphuck can continue to attain more wealth and profits.

    Wall Street was bailed out while Main Street was left behind. Notice who have been taken care and doing great since the 2008 crash? Banks, Wall Street, MIC, Oil Companies, Big Pharma, Health Insurance Companies, Big Aggie ….yet the middle class is savagely being destroyed.

    I guess the one war the USA will definitely win is the war against the middle class.

    • “I guess the one war the USA will definitely win is the war against the middle class.”

      …and it’s going to be a massacre…

    • Nice choice!

      I have to play ‘catch-up’ on Keith’s new show. You’d think with nine repeats in a 24 hour the Ebb would have caught at least one on line…

  21. That is a very handsome Raven, Raven~!~


    I’m in with the out crowd… and we are as groovy as can be…
    out crowd always knows where it’s at…

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