The Watering Hole: July 29 In a state of Limbo..

Will we as a country remain in a state of limbo while America continues to be held hostage, on the brink of economical disaster? Is this all theater? Or will today be the day these people put their extreme ideologies aside and just get it done…

All it would take would be a single paragraph on a single sheet of paper. Of course, that would be impossible beings their entire purpose in life right now for those on the Right is to bring President Obama down, and then blame him for the ensuing disaster in order to win the coming election. Perhaps after they succeed in destroying the economy they plan to rebuild it once again in their own image..

For where we stand right now, and what is likely to happen next, read Ezra Klein’s post today.

I think I’ve had enough. Today the TV stays off. I think I’ll take a walk or a nice drive..

This is our Open Thread. What’s on your mind today?

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169 thoughts on “The Watering Hole: July 29 In a state of Limbo..

  1. In any country but the US this would be called a coup d’etat where a minority attempts to change a duly elected, democratic government by means other than election. In this case, economic blackmail. Military coups are so 20th century.

    • These are the same folks who brought their loaded guns to DC gatherings. And now this. In any other country they’d have all been rounded up.

  2. Brinksmanship.
    My way or the highway.
    No compromises.
    Never give up, never surrender.

    The U.S. deficit and debt
    will destroy the economy.
    Teabaggers want the credit
    for destroying it first.
    In the Name of Christ.

    Whatever passes the House
    Could be held up in the Senate
    By one lone Senator.
    Filibuster.

    Free-Fall.

    The King’s horses
    Have been let out to pasture.

    The King’s men
    Have gone home,
    No one to pay them.

    And the soldiers
    In Far-Away Land,
    Wonder what they’re fighting for,
    Dying for,
    Killing for.
    No ticket back home.

    Cleanup on Aisle 3.
    Someone dropped the cookie jar.
    But it was empty anyway.

    The hero rode into the sunset,
    A bullet in his brain.

    We’re Number One!
    Shouted the vainglorious crowd,
    As if shouting it loud enough
    Made it true.

    Somewhere in the darkness
    a lonely baby cries,
    thirsting for the truth,
    in a sea of lies.

  3. It may take a wall street plunge and resulting 401k savaging to get enough people pissed off enough to realize that the stalemate is causing permanent, unretractable damage.
    As our national debt is downgraded, the same thing that happens to a family that doesn’t pay it’s credit card bills will occur.
    And the damage may be so extensive that if the appropriate blame can be placed squarely on the teabagging lunkheads, their faction shall perish from the political arena, albeit after the damage is done.

  4. oh, whoa – what happened? There were 20 comments and now 8.
    I did a very brief ‘ what the President’ said and that has disappeared…

    • “Never mind” (Emily Latella voice) –

      I see it was under the GDP thread by EV.

    • There’s 20+ comments on EV’s thread, this is the Daily. Your comment appears to be over there.

  5. Here’s another take.

    Let’s say that no deal is struck, and the President doesn’t take over the crisis through a 14th amendment bluff.
    Let’s say he, as BnF stated earlier in the week, is now exercizing a virtual line item veto, and having to determine who gets paid and who doesn’t.

    First, the troops in Iraq are withdrawn, all of them within 30 days. An early out is offered to those willing to accept extra GI bill benefits or some other sweetener.
    All defense contractors are instructed to halt all work on all military contracts under emergency authority as CINC.
    The withdrawal of troops from Afquagistan is begun in earnest, with 50,000 out by the end of the year.
    The military begins the work to make itself self sufficient, training cooks, clerks and all the other support functionality that it formerly had. It will then take 8 support troops for each combat soldier in the field. The price of waging war without granting largesse to Xe, Halliburton, etc will be to steep to engage in wars of choice.
    Maybe a silver lining of some sort…

  6. hey Gummitch you out there?

    Music theme of the evening? Apocalypse Now?

  7. This seems to be an exercise in realization that when you elect a pack of hicks who have no understanding and appreciation for the American experiment in governance through negotiated compromise, expect the entire experiment to fail. Miserably.

    • I don’t think it is an issue of compromise. There are just too many ‘elected hicks’ who see the default condition, doing nothing, as acceptable.

    • Boner could craft a bill that all Democrats could support and just enough Republicans could support, to get it passed. Then it could probably pass the Senate. But Boner would no longer be Speaker, and probably lose his primary in 2012.

    • I find it interesting that there appear not to be any fake Tea Potty members elected in 2010 (including some incumbents). I would have guessed that at least some of them made appropriate fanatic noises simply to get elected and would fall into the party line once in office. Judging from the results to date, it seems none were pretending to be ignorant hicks. They really are as stupid as they claimed.

    • I don’t believe the founding fathers ever imagined that the people would be so ignorant and/or apathetic that they would elect a bunch of undereducated, low intelligence egomaniacs to office. If they had they certainly would have come up with a better plan.

      • I was reading about an 18th century English poet, named Christopher Smith, who spent years in an asylum because of his incessant public praying and (gasp!) insisting others join in his imprecations. Based on that I think it is possible that the founding fathers probably would have sent half the teabaggers to a madhouse.

  8. If you’d been on a desert island for the three years and suddenly you are reimmersed in what passes for ‘news’ in this country after 3 years of blissfully wondering if the tide will being in a couple of fish to spear or not…. what the heck would you make of all this?

  9. If this is true, is it legal precedent, available for use now?

    The Fourteenth Amendment and the Debt Ceiling

    (Rep. James) Clyburn, the third-ranking House Democrat, said Wednesday that if the president is delivered a bill to raise the debt ceiling for only a short period of time, he should instead veto it and turn to the phrase in the Constitution that says the validity of the U.S. government’s debt “shall not be questioned.

    “If that’s what lands on his desk, a short-term lifting of the ceiling, the debt ceiling, he should put it on his desk next to an executive order,” Clyburn said at a press conference. “He should sign an executive order invoking the 14th Amendment to this issue.” The Associated Press reported that he was applauded when he suggested the idea at a caucus meeting earlier in the day.

    “I believe that something like this will bring calm to the American people and will bring needed stability to our financial markets,” Clyburn added, noting that President Harry Truman did it once during his presidency after Congress was unable to pass a bill to raise the debt ceiling.

    • I am not really a fan of executive orders anymore since Bush abused them at every turn. I feel helpless and frustrated, even more so because I don’t have any Representative I can call and abuse and this will hit us as hard as you.

      • I could give you my rep’s phone number. Mr. Cantor would likely pay as much attention to you as he does me, which is to say none.

      • The right-wing noise machine is itching to call Obama a dictator….. with just one twitch of his executive order pen… he can make it so.

        • Right ttt. He shouldn’t go there, no matter how desperately we would want that solved.

    • I don’t think Truman ever raised the debt ceiling at all, so that can’t be true.
      From PolitiFact:
      In 1939, Congress eliminated those separate limits and set up the first aggregate limit covering nearly all public debt. During the presidency of Franklin D. Roosevelt, the debt ceiling was raised annually between 1941 and 1945 to pay for the costs associated with World War II. The limit was increased to $65 billion in 1941.
      Soon after the debt limit was increased to $300 billion in April 1945, Truman became president. The debt ceiling was reduced to $275 billion in June 1946, and the Korean War was primarily financed by higher taxes, not increased debt.
      Here’s a breakdown of debt ceiling increases before Obama by presidency:
      ■ Dwight D. Eisenhower (R): 4
      ■ John F. Kennedy (D): 5
      ■ Lyndon B. Johnson (D): 7
      ■ Richard M. Nixon (R): 7
      ■ Gerald R. Ford (R): 6
      ■ Jimmy Carter (D): 6
      ■ Ronald Reagan (R): 17
      ■ George H. W. Bush (R): 5
      ■ Bill Clinton (D): 4
      ■ George W. Bush (R): 7

      • Thanks, that was the first I’d heard of it, but Clyburn offered no specifics.

        The other side of the coin, if there is one, might be that with a 90% maximum tax rate there should be no need to worry about a debt ceiling. I suspect if we still had that today, we might not be needing one either.

        • Agreed, I noticed that Truman raised taxes to pay for the Korean War. Would that Bush (spit) had followed that example.

  10. I’m wondering if there might actually be a teeny sliver of silver in the present collection of thunderheads on the horizon. World markets are already starting to react and if even by some miracle Congress were to vote a clean lift, maybe the rest of the markets and governments will get the idea that America is no longer to be trusted with money, guns and bombs or any sort of sharp instrument. In just a few short months the R’s have taken the US from the high position of trust it has had for many decades (even if it wasn’t totally earned) to the status of any other 3rd world banana republic where a handful of ideologues run things from an ever increasing point of craziness and greed. Rock on, Ozymandias.

    • Yes indeed, Ozymandias. Shelley’s sonnet masterpiece. Should be carved into the stone of every DC government building.

      Ozymandias

      Percy Bysshe Shelley

      I met a traveller from an antique land
      Who said: `Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
      Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
      Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
      And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
      Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
      Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
      The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
      And on the pedestal these words appear –
      “My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
      Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!”
      Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
      Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
      The lone and level sands stretch far away.

    • “The problem with American politics right now is Republican extremism, and if you’re not willing to say that, you’re helping make that problem worse.

      Krugman is so on the money here – here’s the US media’s contribution to this…

  11. I guess I haven’t left for my walk yet..

    On TPM they said this:

    “Just minutes after President Obama urged the parties to come together and avert this default crisis, things are actually going backwards in the House. And in pretty incredible fashion.

    To secure enough votes from his own members for his plan, Speaker Boehner is amending it to basically turn it into Cut, Cap, and Balance Lite.

    Here’s the key new provision that is apparently going to win enough GOP votes to pass the bill:

    The debt ceiling would be raised immediately but not by enough to get the government through next year. To get the second debt ceiling increase, House Republicans want a balanced budget constitutional amendment to pass both chambers first and be referred to the states.

    Never going to happen, but that’s where we are. It makes you wonder if there’s any compromise plan that can get through this House. That’s why, even though my gut says there’s no way the U.S. is stupid enough to default, I still can’t see a clear, viable way out of this.”

    These people are absolutely delusional…

    • Perhaps Mr. Cavuto would like to see his 401k lose 30% of its value.
      That’d be real ‘welcome’.
      Or perhaps he’s using code language for getting ‘come’, in his ‘wel’.

      Either way, he’s incredibly stupid.

  12. When doing business with a tea party member, be sure to collect your money UP FRONT. Tea partiers will order a meal at a restaurant and then skip out WITHOUT paying the bill. That is how the tea party views the debt ceiling. When handed the bill, they refuse to pay.

  13. What will happen to the seniors in nursing homes and hospitals when the nursing homes and hospitals no longer receive the Medicare or Medicaid payment because of the government default on its debt?

  14. I guess that “We’re #1 and exceptional!” just doesn’t have the same old shine to it anymore.

  15. WTF? It sounds like someone strapped Bill0 to a chair, clamped his eyes open, and forced him to watch clips of his show.


    “The irony is, the people who dislike President Obama the most…are helping him the most,” O’Reilly said. “You’ve got to stop this hateful rhetoric. Some of the rhetoric is so hateful…it’d spin your head around. You have to say, listen, we’re at a point in the history when we have to save the country.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/29/bill-oreilly-lashes-out-a_n_913380.html

    • But, Pete, they are trying so hard. But then, you know, the President’s a nBONG.

      What? He said the President is near a solution.

      • Indeed. I sometimes wonder if they couldn’t just get it out of their systems if they just dressed in the silly costume of their choice, climbed on the nearest roof, jumped up and down, and screamed “the President’s a nBONG” until they passed out and/or fell off. I think that everyone would feel better in the end and we might even be able to return to some semblance of normality.

  16. If you listen real close you can hear the Baggeratti screaming “Give us Barabas!”

  17. Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan, in Vanity Fair, drop a bombshell article alleging the Saudis were complicit in 9/11:

    “[Several months before 9/11,] in two long conversations with Jean-Charles Brisard, author of a study on terrorist financing for a French intelligence agency, O’Neill was still venting his frustration. “All the answers, all the clues that could enable us to dismantle Osama bin Laden’s organization,” he said, “are in Saudi Arabia.” The answers and the clues, however, remained out of reach, in part, O’Neill told Brisard, because U.S. dependence on Saudi oil meant that Saudi Arabia had “much more leverage on us than we have on the kingdom.” And, he added, because “high-ranking personalities and families in the Saudi kingdom” had close ties to bin Laden.”

    http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2011/08/9-11-2011-201108?printable=true

    • If one were to ask which two countries in the world benefited the most from 9/11 and the war hysteria that followed I am certain that Luxembourg and Viet Nam would not make the list. So of course the #1 oil consumer and the #1 oil producer would also, logically not be considered.

    • ..
      A federal judge has ordered the release of decades-old secret grand jury testimony from former President Richard Nixon, related to the Watergate scandal.”

      • Hoping that we see, finally, what complete crooked bastards Nixon, Haldeman and Ehrlicman (sic) were.

    • Shit, you mean America might actually learn just how much of a crook Dicky was 40 years later? Now that would be either devastating or indicative. doG knows we need a reason to trust the R’s these days. ‘eye roll’

        • I’ll see your 17 minutes and raise you several trillions of deficit, several invasions, a S&L collapse, a major recession rivaling the Great Depression, Medicare D and a hostage situation over the debt limit.

          Oh, and two crazy MILFs.

            • I’m a thinkin we’ze so despret for sometin udder than det sealing that we’d even fergit the spel chekker.

  18. Damn. I’m listening to “Brunch with Bernie” on the Thom Hartmann show and I can’t recall ever hearing Senator Sanders sound so utterly frustrated or even depressed. He’s a smart guy and has obviously known that one can’t deal with GOoPers logically for years but I can’t recall hearing that note of desperation from him before.

  19. Supposedly, my internet is fixed, for now. The tech that came out yesterday found a skinned place in the coax cable up the pole that feeds my house. That didn’t fix the problem, but possibly stopped a future one. The actual problem was that my ‘upstream power level’ was at 51-52 dBmV, when it needed to be 47-48 dBmV, and the problem was farther away from the house. Whatever they did has it back to 48, and I now have a site that measures the values so I can check it myself, should it go out intermittently in the future.

    You never learn about stuff until it acts ignorant, then they have to teach you new stuff, so you can reach a new level of incompetence!

  20. I was a history major in college and have been studying many philosophical schools in my life. One thing I have noticed is that there has never been a nation of any size or import that was either truly Christian or communist/Marxist in the past 2,000 years. Several have claimed these accolades in political rhetoric but none have actually practiced either the religion or philosophy.

    If someone has different information, I would love to hear it. My experience and knowledge has shown that nationalism has always taken supremacy while claiming otherwise.

    • You mean a nation that actually practices the teachings of Jesus? Not a chance. “Christian nation” is an oxymoron.

  21. Found this on FDL today

    Right now, the United States government is being held hostage by fundamentalist fanatics like this.

    “Where’s the chapel?” Rep. Tim Scott (R-S.C.) asked as he emerged from an arm-twisting session with Majority Leader Eric Cantor Thursday night. The freshman lawmaker explained that he wanted to “go to the divine source.”

    In a room off the Capitol Rotunda, Scott joined a prayer session with fellow South Carolinian lawmakers. “I hope the Lord. . . gives men wisdom when they desperately need it,” Scott explained.

    As it happens, the Lord gave Scott the wisdom to oppose Boehner. “I think divine inspiration already happened,” Scott said. “I was a ‘lean no’ and now I’m a ‘no.’” And he’s not much worried about default, saying: “I hope the Lord blesses our nation in a way that is measurable.”

    Howling FSM, we’ze in deep shit.

    • Pretty sad when a member of Congress rushes to consult with an imaginary being instead of paying attention to the people who elected them.

      • Even sadder when the friggin hicks that elected him would totally approve of his imaginary fairy crutch.

        • Even sadder when said consultation ends up with an action totally contrary to NT teachings and the hicks just say uyup.

  22. Was it such a bad thing long ago to put people who heard voices in their head into a padded cell.

    Or, longer ago, to burn them at the stake?

    /snarkish

    • Not really. They can see the handwriting on the wall. As can the rest of the world. The only blind ones are the R’s.

    • Hehe – it’s a free-trade agreement right? US is going to be able to buy more Gingrich campaign T-shirts made in Kim Jong-Ils ‘Residential Clothing Factories’ – awesome – they’ll be cheap at twice the price! Take that El Salvador!

    • In the interest of a better world, I recommend we send the entire House teabagger contingent to N.Korea to finish the negotiations and then implement all the positive and doG-inspired changes which will destroy the totalitarian regime once and for all.

      Hehehe. :)

      And later, we’ll not be able to bail the buggers out. No money in the budget.

  23. The part the R’s truly do not see is that this is the first time in our history we have even made serious noises about honoring our debts. The rest of the world was willing to put up with our arrogant crap because we always paid for the privilege. Even if they were to vote a clean lift right now, the damage is done. America has weaseled. And shown the rest of the world they are perfectly willing to do it again.

  24. America has gotten away with a lot of stuff for decades for two reasons. One is the Ghost of George Marshall. The honest intent to do good and the ability to pay for it. The second was a sort of global belief that US democratic intent was better than Soviet communist intent. America sort of bought the high side on that one. The Soviets tried and bankrupted themselves.

    The interesting part today is America is bankrupting itself playing the exact same game even though there is no opponent. And in the last two and a half years we have demonstrated a recalcitrant single party system that is hellbent on military spending, be damned the adversary. We are in almost exactly the same place the Soviets were in in 1986. The brink of national bankruptcy as the result of foreign interventions.

    And we have a political party that is just as blind, foaming at the mouth to fund war efforts while the people who work to fund the government slip closer and closer to poverty. If there is a difference between the Soviet Party in the mid 80′s and our present Republican Party it is so small as to be inconsequential.

    • There’s an opponent alright – take a look under the bed, the khaki-clad marxist has gone, but there’s a brown dude wearing a turban or a sombrero there now…

  25. ..
    Boehner Debt Limit Bill Clears Procedural Hurdle … Vote On Bill Expected Sometime After 6 PM ET … Follow TPM’s Livewire For The Latest Updates

    • Even if it clears the House, it will never clear the Senate. And if doG intervenes and it does clear the Senate, if the President doesn’t veto it, well, we need a new President.

      • ..
        True, Hooda – That The Bonehead has seen fit to place a timely vote means this will be (un)done before Tues. deadline.

        SotH never thought the TeaPottiers would be so vehemently opposed to him – that shook his confidence.

    • At the risk of being diconnected (I’m trying to get some work done) – is this the one *with* the balanced budget amendment required or is just a six-monther, so that we can have that sense of deja vu all over again at Christmas?

      • ..
        This is the latest headline from TPM – there’s no further info

        5:37 PM | TOP NEWS | #
        Boehner Touting Balanced Budget Amendment Addition To His Bill
        House Speaker John Boehner is touting his addition to add a balanced budget amendment to his debt limit bill.

  26. Sorry, but this needs repeating because it’s excellent!

    Briseadh na Faire on July 29, 2011 at 7:36 am said:

    Brinksmanship.
    My way or the highway.
    No compromises.
    Never give up, never surrender.

    The U.S. deficit and debt
    will destroy the economy.
    Teabaggers want the credit
    for destroying it first.
    In the Name of Christ.

    Whatever passes the House
    Could be held up in the Senate
    By one lone Senator.
    Filibuster.

    Free-Fall.

    The King’s horses
    Have been let out to pasture.

    The King’s men
    Have gone home,
    No one to pay them.

    And the soldiers
    In Far-Away Land,
    Wonder what they’re fighting for,
    Dying for,
    Killing for.
    No ticket back home.

    Cleanup on Aisle 3.
    Someone dropped the cookie jar.
    But it was empty anyway.

    The hero rode into the sunset,
    A bullet in his brain.

    We’re Number One!
    Shouted the vainglorious crowd,
    As if shouting it loud enough
    Made it true.

    Somewhere in the darkness
    a lonely baby cries,
    thirsting for the truth,
    in a sea of lies.

  27. Well it’s only taken him 10 years, but he’s finally explained what was going through his mind the day he read My Pet Goat

    The best quote from the Chimp:

    ‘I had been in enough crises to know that the first thing a leader has to do is to project calm.’

    That’s right having to decide whether or not to sell Sammy Sosa, or sell your crippled company’s stock before the news breaks…. they are crises requiring calm …. *snort*

    F*** off Chimpy, worst president ever, unless Obama scoops you this coming week.

    • ..

      “After the 9/11 terrorist attacks, President Bush didn’t call for sacrifice. He called for shopping. “Get down to Disney World in Florida,” he said. “Take your families and enjoy life, the way we want it to be enjoyed.”

  28. I hate to say it but I hope the Baggaratti win. I want them to get their wish. I want them to realize their dream and have the US default. I want to see our government fold. I am tired of playing what if games. I’m tired of having our country hanging on the edge, wondering if tomorrow they matter. Shut it down. Quit playing games, quit appeasing idiots. Let it happen.

    And hope and pray that when it hits the streets that the majority of Americans stand up and scream ‘NOT ON MY FUCKING WATCH!” It is about the only way to sweep those self centered, idiotic morons to the gutter, once and for all.

  29. Courtesy of TS Eliot, a couple of excerpts from The Hollow Men. I think he knew of teabaggers somehow.

    The Hollow Men

    T. S. Eliot (1925)

    I

    We are the hollow men
    We are the stuffed men
    Leaning together
    Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
    Our dried voices, when
    We whisper together
    Are quiet and meaningless
    As wind in dry grass
    Or rats’ feet over broken glass
    In our dry cellar

    Shape without form, shade without colour,
    Paralysed force, gesture without motion;

    [...]

    Life is very long

    Between the desire
    And the spasm
    Between the potency
    And the existence
    Between the essence
    And the descent
    Falls the Shadow
    For Thine is the Kingdom

    For Thine is
    Life is
    For Thine is the

    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    This is the way the world ends
    Not with a bang but a whimper.

  30. Sort of interesting. Back during the Cold War we had to tread lightly because we were never quite sure if the Soviets would nuke us.

    Today, we have to tread lightly in case the Republicans decide to nuke the economy.

    So just what is the difference between the Republicans today and the Soviets 20 years ago?

  31. If by some miracle the Balanced Budget thing does become ratified as an amendment; the Republicans would suffer the most from it. There’s no way we can balance our budget with cuts alone. We’d have to raise revenues.

    Republicans spend with the best of them (look at the Bush years) and loathe revenue increases.

    It might be nice to actually let this amendment go in. No more wars; unless we can pay for them. No more big corporate giveaways; unless we can pay for them. The Military Industrial Complex will fight this as well. No more big government contracts; unless we can pay for them.

    If they cut too deep on the social safety net, there will be a populist revolt that will frighten Boner into real tears.

    I say go for it. Let them make their bed, and let them sleep in it.

    • And the R’s wouldn’t word the Balanced Budget Amendment to exclude war and defense spending?

  32. America is under the attack from political terrorists, economic terrorists, financial terrorists and ecological terrorists….I think it’s time to focus on the real enemies facing this country, before it’s too late….if it isn’t already too late.

  33. I just heard Boehner’s speech on the House floor. WHAT—A—LOAD—OF–CRAP!!!
    Waaaahhhhhh…. “Let us know what you want!..” I’m still stunned.. The Dems have moved to the RIght and offered up just about everything. What have the GOP offered? Jack-sh*t. They just demanded more. Boehner screamed out “I offered revenues!” What revenues!!?? I thought for a second he had picked up somebody else’s speech and was reading it by mistake..
    What a joke. I’m so angry right now. This circus never ends. They aren’t getting closer to being reasonable, they are doubling down on insanity. Just like a Republican.

  34. “Tell us what you want!..”

    How about you listen to what the people want? Not your party apparatchiki, but the public.

    Oh, and quit the fake tears.

    • I don’t think he would have brought it to a vote unless he was absolutely knew the votes were there. Sh*t.
      I still say it’s dead on arrival in the Senate, or else Obama will veto it. But still, that isn’t a solution either. I really think Obama has to invoke the 14th Amendment. For the good of the country.

  35. I can’t remember where I read it, but someone made a very good point about how the GOP has done a very good job of tying together the Debt Ceiling and the budget, like they are connected and are the same thing. I just read a very good post about it in the last couple of days, but can’t find it now.. The writer pointed out how the two things are not the same at all, they don’t work the same and are not really connected, but the Republicans have made them out to be utterly connected. Just like the Republicans connected 9/11 and Iraq. They just said it over an dover and over again, and pretty soon it was truth. Most people believed it.
    How “1984″…

  36. So now for the senate to shoot the bill down and start negotiating. Start negotiating. Well. I am watching “the mentalist” now. That’s more realistic than anything that goes on in Washington.

  37. The key is the Boner appeased his base enough to pass the House. Not a single one of them expects it to go forward but it will sell down stream. Sort of like crapping. Shit never flows uphill.

    • Listening to him scold Obama in that ridiculous speech, like Obama hadn’t done enough already, made me want to throw up—or shoot out the screen of my TV (I don’t own a gun, and even if I did I would NEVER use it..).

    • Every partially sane human being in a situation like this would have gone and tried to figure out how to find support in the center and get some votes from the democratic side, so Senate could pass the bill, Obama sign it and then get this over with. Making things worse to win a totally irrelevant vote and then what? It totally floors me. Infuckingcredible.

        • Typical progress….always think they should get something… ;)

          Hey, you are getting a front row seat to view the total annihilation of our republic democracy, our little experiment with democracy has ended, welcome to corpocracy.

          Now bow to Mammon, worship capitalism and serve the corporations, or you will be ruled obsolete!

          !

  38. I once had a girlfriend who reminded me of a pony….in the nasty sense and no, I’m not talking about sex, if you know what I mean? ;)

        • Ebb, my machine gets all bound up if I listen to too many songs. Besides, it is fun to chat on the side.

          • ..
            Same with this machine machine -runs MS and won’t allow Safari to run – ergo it’s slows way down during music night.

        • Bite, argue, throw things, demanding, stubborn…….and that was when she was sleeping…and….GULP!….After not seeing her for six years, but talking with her again on and off for the past year, now she wants to see me….WHAT TO DO? Buy carrots and pray she doesn’t become unhinged at something I may say or do?

          • Okay…she didn’t bite….just nasty mood swings which seemed to elevate after her drinking, which was quite often.

            • What to do? Be polite and nice and if you ever find yourself considering anything else, either a 2×4 or hammer wielded by a friend. If that isn’t possible, I recommend New Balance running shoes.

          • ..
            IP,
            IF she’s stopped drinking – go for it.
            IF she’s still drinking – Save your life by running from it very, very quickly!

  39. Boner: “I feel better now I’ve pushed a totally pointless bill (number 13) through so that the Senate can have a good laugh. Sadly, they will be the only ones but the Baggaratti have a very limited sense of humor so now I have to find a few kittens or puppies to stomp on to help them forget the totally fruitless effort they just backed.”

  40. Speaking of Boner’s folly: How bad does a bill really have to be in order to force the Dems to vote in a block while it divides the GOP block?

    • For R’s to not vote for it it has to lack bleeding in the middle to lower class

  41. Someday we are gonna have to get one of our resident guru’s to explain now youtube posts cludge our systems. While I love to post songs listening to about four of them slows my system down to the point where a crayon on paper makes more sense.

    While I love music night, it isn’t to the exclusion of chatting here.

    • I agree, the zoo attendees should post a song or two every now and then through out the night, but also come back to the evenings open thread and chat with geniuses like us. ;) We will mesmerize their brains. ;)

    • I had that problem with my old computer, when too many videos slowed down the refreshes on that thread. I never had a problem playing one video or another. The refreshes at TP would become tedious at about 100 comments, and that was without any videos. I thought it was just a RAM or displaying problem. I’ve had this unit for a year and a half, and if I can keep my connection, it works fine.

    • Essentially, ones computer tries to load all the embedded videos at once. Some systems can hack it and others can’t. Since I use a 6 year old, second hand, computer that I bought for $130.00 I can last until there are three or four videos posted and then I’m done.The solution is very simple. If the powers that be would simply modify the options so that we would post links rather than actually embedding the video in the thread then everyone would be able to indulge to their heart’s content. Another option would be to post links to a site like Grooveshark rather than going with the YouTube videos.

  42. Odd thing is if I go to youtube and play things direct it;s ok. It has something to do with the second hand nature here.

  43. …happy dance.

    David Schuster is sitting in for KO on Countdown tonight.

    I’m GLAD to see him around again.

    • He was hired right away as Keith’s pinch hitter (baseball reference intentional). He’ll probably get the first shot at a regular show if they can expand their news programming to more than one hour.

  44. Poor John. Working so hard, sucking up to idiots to pass a bill that barely had legs to make it to the Senate. Keep up the good work there, big guy.

  45. Vegetarian night for supper here. Our tee-tiny family-operated farmer’s market that sets up in the post office parking lot every year about this time provided the fresh Okra, sweet corn, summer squash, and canteloupe. Delicious. (burp).

    For music, I finally downloaded an i-tunes thingee onto which I can load old CDs. Mahler’s Third Symphony, Final Movement is the current attraction. Grand, grand, grand.

  46. On Real Time:
    ‘This pissing contest between the Democrats and Republicans has reached that awkward stage where everyone is out of piss and is left just standing there with their dick in their hand!’

    ‘Michele and Marcus Bachmann: America’s indoor Palins!’

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