The Watering Hole: August 4 – Geese

Roast Goose

I tried to express the situation where Americans find themselves after the debt agreement on Sunday. At first I thought that I could say: “Our goose is cooked.” This statement does not really fit our situation because it implies that we have been caught in a lie or cheated on a partner and will have to pay in some matter such as being fired, ostracized or divorced depending on the nature of the ‘crime’.

I came to the realization that a better statement would be: “We are all goners” as that implies the visage of death or loss through something that was not really our fault. That expression derives itself from the old British term ‘gone Goose’.

We can also say that the debt agreement has “Killed the goose (the middle class) that lays the golden eggs.”

Geese play a central part in all these sayings because geese supplied eggs and meat to guilds-men and the middle class in pre-Victorian Britain. They were easy to care for and mowed the grass around town to boot. In some towns, they were allowed free range and harvested by their designated owner(s). Often the lord (small ‘l’) was the owner who extracted a fee (tax) on said harvest.

Right now the “silly geese” of Congress are giving me “goose bumps” from fear because I will gain nothing but a “goose egg” due to their policies. The basic reason for this situation is that Obama “can’t say boo to a goose.”

Flip the page for a table defining these and other terms. One American term is included.

Term Meaning
Goose bumps and goose pimples A prickly feeling related to having bumps on one’s skin due to fear, excitement, or cold.
Silly as a goose Very foolish
Gone goose Someone or something that has departed or run away
Can’t say boo to a goose Shy and not talkative
Cook someone’s goose To damage or ruin someone
Goose egg 1. A raised bump on the skull when one’s head has been struck.
2. In a sports score, zero.
Kill the goose that lays the golden egg(s) To destroy something that is profitable to you
One’s goose is cooked One is finished; one has been found out and is in trouble
Send someone on a wild-goose chase To send someone on a pointless or futile search
What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander What is good for one person is good for another
Loosey goosey (American) 1. Laid back
2. A promiscuous woman

Now, it is your oppertunity to describe our crisis relying on these British terms.

169 thoughts on “The Watering Hole: August 4 – Geese

  1. Happy Birthday President Obama. I made the 50 threshold some time at the beginning of this year and it doesn’t hurt at all. You’ll be 54 when you leave office, still young enough to recover from what you are currently going through and young enough to still make a difference without being held back by political considerations. But for today: Just have a Happy Birthday.

  2. Happy Birthday, President Obama. It’s been some time since I looked 50 in the eye. Enjoy your birthday. The baggers went home to their districts so you will have some peace for a while.

    After hearing the threats towards and complaints from the baggers toward their member of Congress, this debt ceiling deal might not be as bad as we think. If the baggers hate it, then there must something in it for us.

  3. The Teabaggers seem to have won the current budget battle.
    But, we can’t give up.
    We must be fanatic in our determination.
    The alternatives are unthinkable.

    • Spot on. The alternative is to abdicate to the baggers, which I will never do.
      Obama may be a centrist, and a huge disappointment as his actions don’t live up to his rhetoric, but the thought of a Republican controlled government, with a Romney or whomever appointing two more fascists to the Supreme Court would mean the end of America as we know it.

      • My wingnut cousin likes to taunt, makes him feel good, like the big man he can never be. Baggers are his cup of tea all the way so naturally the taunts, these days, have a fresh head of steam. My response to his most recent ‘nyah nyah’ was simple. I said, “I wish for only two things: One, I hope that you live long enough to witness the full consequence of the malevolent and destructive political philosophy which you support and embrace, and two, I hope that I do not.”


        • “I wish for only two things: One, I hope that you live long enough to witness the full consequence of the malevolent and destructive political philosophy which you support and embrace, and two, I hope that I do not.”

          I’m stealing this frugal. Best response since:
          Gladstone said to Disraeli: ‘I predict, Sir, that you will die either by hanging or of some vile disease’.
          Disraeli replied, ‘That all depends, sir, upon whether I embrace your principles or your mistress.’

    • I’m not so sure that the baggers agree with you. I’ve seen comments by baggers in which they are very disappointed in this deal. Some baggers feel like they lost and were betrayed.

  4. A couple of things struck me over the past day.
    Once again, the Boner squad holds American workers hostage, this time in refusing to fund the FAA without a rule change that cripples the unions. Seventy Four Thousand American Workers furloughed while Congress vacations.
    Just a gentle reminder, it does matter who you vote for, in these respects.

    And, Iraqi government officials are now trying to extend our troops authorization to stay there forever.
    The article Here
    is noteworthy in the wording of the US embassy officials who state in the second quoted paragraph…

    “Those issues will be key factors as Washington weighs whether it will continue its military presence in Iraq after more than eight years of war.

    In a statement, the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad said it would review the Iraqi leaders’ decision.

    “We are committed to a broad and long-term partnership with the Iraqi people, and will review our security relationship within that context,” the statement said.

    Got Empire?

  5. Got Empire?
    Of course Iraqi officials want us to stay in Iraq because many of them have become extremely wealthy since we invaded them and they don’t want their cash flow threatened if our troops leave.

    I read an article a year ago about how multinational corporations, with the help of our government and military, have taken over the Iraqi economy. Paul Bremer and others, along with some of these same Iraqi officials wrote all of the Iraqi laws and regulations etc, etc, that has ensured that Iraq and all of it’s wealth will go to the multinational corporations and a few corrupted Iraqi officials.

    We all know the power and influence the banks, Wall Street, the oil industry, big pharma, big aggie, the US Chamber Of Commerce has over our elected officials, why wouldn’t the military industrial complex have that same influence and power?

    Iraq, Afghanistan and the perpetual war on terrorism has made the MIC a fortune, just as the cold war threat made them a fortune in the 40’s, 50’s and 60’s. They aren’t going to allow our government to interfere with their profitability.

    Besides….like Afghanistan, Iraq has sadly become the forgotten war in the eyes of the public.

    • It is just surprising how these places like Iraq and Afghanistan have US backed and built governments that think having a US military presence is good for their country…not.

      Look at how well that worked in Vietnam, the Philippines, Panama, Iran, Egypt many other places.

      • hooda,funny enough. We Germans don’t complain. We really had no disadvantages from US troops in our country, except for the rockets stationed here. And boy did we protest. One rally brought 1 Million people to Bonn. I was 1/1’000’000 of them. Other than that we mostly profited. (I had my first, and last, root beer at the American Octoberfest in the Munich barracks **ugh**)

        • EV, we don’t do that sort of stuff to countries that have White Christians as a majority. That would be tacky. The only country I know of that managed to evade the issue is Japan. Otherwise, we tend to hire those who acknowledge that white Christian folk will know how to run things better than the local (pick your color) folk.

          America has always been exceptionally bigoted.

      • As it stands we would have to do so with an Ipod app or a video game. The main reason the crowd that raised so much havoc in the 60’s did so over the draft. This time the MIC learned better.

      • At the core of the problem is the privatization of the military. The contractors make a fortune, and the military is reliant on them to survive.
        I’d like to see some pols run on the plank on de-privatizing the military and having them train/provide their own cooks, clerks, engineers, etc…
        Then it would take 8 support troops for each combat soldier, would cost less, and more Americans would be affected by any war we get into, hence, fewer wars…
        At least that’s my take.

        • I’m thinking the core of the problem is our government being able to commit obscene amounts of troops and money to fight a handful of civilian criminals while the media ignores the damage being done overseas.

          But don’t mind me. I’m still pissed the US invaded an island about the size of Disney World in response to a Marine barracks being blown up on the other side of the world. And getting away with it.

          • “I wouldn’t go to war again as I have done to protect some lousy investment of the bankers. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket . . . . Only a small inside group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses.” USMC Major General Smedley Butler, 1933.

            Butler was right. Would still be right today, probably even more right today. War is nothing other than a fucking racket, the vicious sacrifice of people and resources because for the chosen few there’s a lot of money in it. The fact that America so willingly and so perpetually engages in wars based only on spurious ‘logic’ tells the story: at it’s core, this is an evil and totally rotten country, a combination of amoral and immoral self-aggrandizing profiteers to whom nothing has value other than the accumulation of wealth and power.

            Stated another way, God’s favorite country.

            • Without getting into conspiracy theories, I find it interesting that the Project for a New American Century was wishing for another “Pearl Harbor” and then we got one.
              Isn’t it interesting the people that profited from 9/11? It would make it so easy to believe that 9/11 was made to happen or was allowed to happen, wouldn’t it?

            • Absolutely. Count me in. I’ve believed that since about ten minutes after the second tower fell into its own basement just like the first one did.

              We have to understand that to those who populate the Black Hole, there are ONLY two things on this earth that matter: Money, and the Power it buys.

              BTW, where were the Kochs on that fateful day, I wonder? Celebrating somewhere?

    • July was the hottest month ever in Washington DC.

      I benefited from the stimulus program, I installed a geothermal system and took advantage of the tax credit. Geothermal AC is great!

    • Good post. That’s what frustrates me about the left sometimes; too many keep focusing on what we haven’t gotten in two years and forgetting what we did get.

    • Thanks gummitch. With all that nagging about the missing honey on the bread people overlooked that the bread is even on the table and buttered, too. I am worried about the publicity though. As the article says. Noone seems to have realized it is so.

    • I have to agree with Benen. This has been a tough presidency. Obama has achieved many good things. Some of these could be better. Washington DC is where the vipers live and operate. I remember people that worked for Clinton remarking about how vicious it is in DC.

  6. From Mike’s Blog Roundup at C & L.

    July Ratings Show Younger Viewers Continue To Turn Off Fox News

    Why can’t Fox News attract the viewers that make up the demo (age 25-54) audience?

    I think part of the problem is that the network’s tone is designed to appeal to older conservatives, but FNC also faces the problem of Jon Stewart educating his bigger than Fox audience on a nightly basis about the network’s dubious practices. Fox News has gone after Jon Stewart and tried to discredit him as everything from a racist to a secret Democratic operative, because he has become the nation’s most visible media critic, and his criticisms hurt FNC’s attempts to attract younger viewers.

      • .
        [Although not along the same plane as the particular subject just mentioned]

        Reading Swift’s name

        Brought to mind the brilliant:

        A Modest Proposal for Preventing the Children of Poor People in Ireland From Being a Burden on Their Parents or Country, and for Making Them Beneficial to the Publick,[1] commonly referred to as A Modest Proposal, is a Juvenalian satirical essay written and published anonymously by Jonathan Swift in 1729. Swift suggests that impoverished Irish might ease their economic troubles by selling their children as food for rich gentlemen and ladies.[2] This satirical hyperbole mocks heartless attitudes towards the poor, as well as British policy in Ireland in general.

        “I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed, is, at a year old, a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether
        stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled; and I make no doubt that it
        will equally serve in a fricasie, or a ragoust.”

        Satirical, yes – truthful then and now as to the thought process of the ‘rich’ and Repugnant Party:
        the poor are bothersome – figure out how to rid the planet. The Repiggies of today will just keep cutting social services until we may have to take Swift up on his ‘recipes’/

    • That, and the fact that O’Reilly and Hannity are getting old and withered themselves and can’t quite attract the women who might be tempted by loofas and falafels. 😉

      And Gretchen Carlson’s boobs are sagging more every year… so there go the 25 year old males…..

      Fox might be able to put out lies every day, but they can’t fight time and gravity. 🙂

  7. Firm gives $1 million to pro-Romney group, then dissolves

    Records offer no clues who was behind mystery company that donated to ‘super PAC’

    A mystery company that pumped $1 million into a political committee backing Mitt Romney has been dissolved just months after it was formed, leaving few clues as to who was behind one of the biggest contributions yet of the 2012 presidential campaign.

    The existence of the million-dollar donation — as gleaned from campaign and corporate records obtained by NBC News — provides a vivid example of how secret campaign cash is being funneled in ever more circuitous ways into the political system.

    The company, W Spann LLC, was formed in March by a Boston lawyer who specializes in estate tax planning for “high net worth individuals,” according to corporate records and the lawyer’s bio on her firm’s website.

    Corporations are not people. This is a great example of how/why.

  8. Conservative Sanity Watch:

    “Imagine, if you will, someone who read only the Wall Street Journal editorial page between 2000 and 2011, and someone in the same period who read only the collected columns of Paul Krugman. Which reader would have been better informed about the realities of the current economic crisis? The answer, I think, should give us pause. Can it be that our enemies were right?” – David Frum.

  9. .
    Columbia Tank Found on Lakebed

    “A drought in Texas lowered Lake Nacogdoches enough to uncover an aluminum tank from Columbia’s STS-107 mission.”

    • I have to learn to read slower. My first read said they found a Columbian tank in Texas and I thought, this will be El Paso all over again.

    • FYI… I went to high school with the Commander of Columbia. He was a year ahead of me. I knew him from a school club that we were in together.

      • .
        That was so unbelievable – can’t imagine how you felt knowing what happened to someone you knew was on that mission.

        It haunts me that something ( loose foam insulation) that seemed ‘insignificant’ at the time was responsible to bring it down.

        • It’s mostly surreal shock initially then followed by incredible sadness. I imagine that it must be similar to what the families of the WTC bombings must have felt.
          When I visit relatives, there is a statue of Rick at the airport and I am reminded again (like a punch in the gut).

          After Challenger blew up, I never thought that that it would happen again. But Space travel is a dangerous thing, even in our efforts to make it as safe and routine as possible. I believe Rick would have chosen to go on that mission even knowing that he would not be coming back.

  10. The Bagger dream continues to materialize, to come true.

    Breaking News Alert
    The New York Times
    Thursday, August 4, 2011 — 11:58 AM EDT

    Markets Tumble as Signs Point to Weak Global Economy

    The stock market fell sharply Thursday on intensifying investor fears about a slowdown in global economic growth and worries about Europe’s ongoing debt crisis, which is centered now on Italy and Spain.

    As Japan intervened to weaken its currency and European stock markets turned negative across the board, United States stocks fell by around 3 percent in morning trading in New York.

    A fear haunting markets in the United States is that the economy may be heading for a double-dip recession. Although the fractious debt ceiling debate is now past, markets fear spending cuts and weaker economic data point to a weaker economy. The latest weekly jobless data Thursday again showed the economy was still fragile.

    Read More:

    • “A fear haunting markets in the United States is that the economy may be heading for a double-dip recession.”

      The only reason this is not being called a Depression is the rich are still rich and getting subsidies to remain so. As things continue the Baggaratti are going to be faced with a horrible dilemma…continue to spend stupid on wars or keep giving money to the rich.

  11. .

    Judge allows Rumsfeld torture suit to proceed

    A lawsuit against former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, filed by an unnamed U.S. contractor who claims he was tortured by the military, will proceed to trial.

  12. Self Awareness Alert:

    “Of course, the government wants their hands on your children as fast as they can. That is why I opposed all these early starts and pre-early starts, and early-early starts. They want your children from the womb so they can indoctrinate your children as to what they want them to be. I am against that,” – Rick Santorum.

    • Those first five years are critical to child development. And also the most vulnerable. When else can you inculcate a belief in a sky fairy than when kids typically have imaginary friends?

      • Amen and yea verily.

        Those who insist we indoctrinate our youngsters with tales of sky fairies and evil red dudes with horns and spiked tails are, indeed, far far more guilty of intellectual molestation of children than are those who show and teach their kids the wonders of unmolested nature, who teach compassion rather than distrust and fear, who are not afraid to promote science and the lessons it teaches us every day of the year.

        I’ll still never forget the day that my younger daughter came home from a weekend visit with a school friend where she’d wound up having to go to a fundie “church” (it was in a former Mexican restaurant next to a Walmart parking lot) for Sunday service. She said, “Dad, thank you SO MUCH for never making me go to church!”

        I always figured that if a child wants to seek religion as an adult, fine, feel free, and good luck. But such should be an honest desire, not one hitched to the wagon of religious mind-bending propaganda embedded from day one forward.

        • One of the reasons I am not married anymore is that I never took a stand on religion for the kids. I don’t know if my eldest was baptized as I didn’t meet him until he was 2 and his mom never said. My two girls were not baptized as infants. The elder eventually chose to do so in her early teens. The younger is still pagan. All of them had many opportunities to deal with religion as they grew up. I hate to say my youngest stood up in the pew at church for Xmas service at the ripe age of 3 or so and told the minister to shut up. Twice.

          • Neither of mine were baptized. No Sunday School, no confirmation, no wish-you-were-somewhere-else-every-Sunday service, no bible, no prayers (not even table grace), no nothin’. If a question ever came up (which was seldom) I’d answer it as best I could, always avoiding all dogmatic BS.

            And now, today, America is falling apart at the seams. The fascists are on the verge of a hostile takeover, the economy is crashing, the words “The Poor” now define me, and, too, the country which by default I’ve called ‘home’ all my life. America’s new slogan, straight from the buybull:

            And where is now my hope? As for my hope, who shall see it? They shall go down to the bars of the pit, When our rest together is in the dust. Job 17:15-16

            And it’s all my damn fault! I should have raised the kids in the church, and then all would be well for the world! Right?


  13. Conservative Sanity Watch II: (you might want to save this to club your wingnut friends and relatives with)

    “Obama’s only tax increases – those contained in the Affordable Care Act – do not go into effect until 2014. Personal income tax rates and corporate tax rates are no higher today than they have been for the past decade. The payroll tax has actually been cut by 2 points. Total federal tax collections have dropped by 4 points of GDP since 2007, from 18+% to 14+%, the lowest rate since the Truman administration.

    If so minded, you could describe Barack Obama as the biggest tax cutter in American history.”

  14. Every time Obama tries to negotiate in good faith with the Republicans, I feel he is sending himself on a wild goose chase.

  15. .
    uh, oh – did ‘Sharia Law’ creep in this long ago?/s

    U.S. Department of State,

    The first Muslim ambassador to the United States, from Tunisia, was hosted by President Jefferson, who arranged a sunset dinner for his guest because it was Ramadan — making it the first known iftar at the White House, more than 200 years ago.”

    Mellimelli arrived during Ramadan, and Jefferson, when he invited the envoy to the president’s house, changed the meal time from the usual hour of 3:30 p.m. to “precisely at sunset” in deference to the man’s religious obligation.

    Jefferson’s knowledge of Islam likely came from his legal studies of natural law. In 1765, Jefferson purchased a two-volume English translation of the Quran for his personal library, a collection that became, in 1815, the basis of the modern Library of Congress.

  16. A note to all Zoosters and Critters. Pampiro Firpo is busting his chops in Wisconsin, canvasing for the Recall Elections. He has made a request for ammunition. One is documentation of information on information on Wi UE status. I’ve found a couple of links that show it is on a slow uptick since January. A couple of the races are going to be surprisingly close.

    Anyone who has found or heard of anything that might make a difference, post it here so I can pass it on with what I find.

  17. McConnell on Obama’s Birthday:

    “With the host of problems this country is currently facing, the fact that our president is devoting time to the human process of aging is an affront to Americans everywhere,” said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, who advocated a provision to keep Obama 49 at least through the fall of 2013.

    (and yes, this IS from The Onion)

  18. Looks like investors are still figuring out what it means to shed 1.8 MILLION jobs from the U.S. economy.
    DJI down 357, (oops, two minutes later 377…) points so far today. Kiss your retirement funds goodbye, folks.

  19. White House Pushes For FAA Solution By Week’s End
    Susan Crabtree | August 4, 2011, 2:21PM

    President Obama phoned Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) Wednesday to urge him to pass a bill extending funding for the Federal Aviation Administration and hopes House Republicans and Democrats can resolve their differences and get tens of thousands of FAA and construction workers back on the job by the end of the week.

    Obama still hasn’t figured it out. The Baggers will NEVER do anything that’s positive for the country because if they do it might make Obama look good, like a leader. They’ve got it figured: they now hold the Dems hostage and all they have to do is wait until the Dems cave, and they’ll get their way every fucking time.

    The more I see of late, the less my optimism that this country has a chance of being saved. I think we’ve lost, frankly.

    • I heard someone else ‘wrote a letter’ – ooh that and an urging – that’s gonna smart….. NOT!

      Next they are going to hit Boner up with ‘a major, and I mean major, leaflet campaign’

      I don’t know why the ATC Unions don’t just walk off the job:

      Oh right, they are too concerned for the flying public not to work without pay and oh yes Reagan unilaterally disbanded the ATC unions….

  20. It is kind of interesting. Eventually the rest of the world is going to figure out the the greatest consumer economy on the planet to date decided to remove the capacity for the consumers to consume when they off shored jobs and crushed the manufacturing engine that was the US.

    And as our government, lead by the R’s and Baggaratti lead the charge to dismantle the last portion of our consumer economy that was funded by public workers, I’m certain there will be many investors who will realize that US policies are directed at shutting down the disposable income machine in America that drove the boom in favor of a captive work force barely able to feed itself.

    • .
      Huck, Huck, Huck – you need to take lessons from the forefathers of claymation (you need to invoke god in every episode).

      • .
        Forgot to mention the D&G cartoon were brought to you by televangelist Jim Bakker, yes that guy:

        A sex scandal led to his resignation from the ministry. Subsequent revelations of accounting fraud brought about his imprisonment and divorce and effectively ended his time in the larger public eye

  21. I’m a bit busy today so I’ll offer an observation without the benefit of reading the previous comments. Forgive me if I’m being redundant.

    Our “librul media” not to mention the overtly Reich-wing elements, really sucks. They are gleefully blaming President Obama for the slide (is collapse too strong a word) in the stock market because of “his debt limit deal”. Let’s look at that.

    President Obama hosted discussions and signed the bill that was passed. He didn’t write the bill. He didn’t commission the bill. And, although he signed it to avert default, he didn’t even say that he liked the bill.

    The bill was written by the GOP and rammed through by the GOP because they control the House, where budget bills must originate. Boner has said it was “98%” of what the GOoPers wanted. And yet?

    The media is calling it “Obama’s compromise” and such. What the fuck are President and Obama and the Dems supposed to do? I’m dead certain that we will soon see GOoPers claiming that “it’s all Obama’s fault” because he failed to stop them from acting rashly.

  22. Breaking News Alert
    The New York Times
    Thursday, August 4, 2011 — 3:43 PM EDT

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid Says Agreement Reached to Reopen F.A.A.

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Congress reached an agreement to fund the Federal Aviation Administration, the Associated Press reported. The agreement ends a partial shutdown of the agency that left 74,000 transportation and construction employees out of work and 40 safety inspectors working without pay.

    When F.A.A. financing expired last month, the agency also lost the ability to collect taxes on airline tickets. Those taxes amount to about $30 million a day and are paid into a trust fund that pays for much of its operations.

    The impasse centered on disagreements between Republicans and Democrats over a program that subsidizes commercial air service to rural airports. But behind the scenes, a larger fight has been taking place over federal rules on labor elections in the airline industry.

    Read More:

  23. Unelected, Unaccountable Grover Norquist is Picking the Republicans for the Super Committee

    By Susie Madrak

    Again: Can someone in the spineless, co-opted corporate media please do their job and explain to us why the unAmerican pledge to Pope Grover takes precedence over oath of office? Instead of just saying, “That’s the way it is,” look a little deeper and ask why Grover gets to pick the Super Committee. I mean, is it a good thing that our Congress is dictated to by a little tin god? All hail, Caesar!

    Norquist said he has already been assured by “the right people” that House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) will not choose anyone willing to give ground on raising taxes, and he is confident enough to leave town on Wednesday for August vacation.

    Norquist said he would like Boehner to name House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-Mich.) and House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton (R-Mich.).

    He said he would be “fine” with leadership using the opportunity to give a conservative freshman the chance to shine, mentioning Rep. Kristi Noem (R-S.D.).

    Similarly, with respect to the Senate, Norquist can see McConnell appointing a young gun like Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) to the panel to give him a bigger platform. He said he would like to see Sens. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) and Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) appointed.

    Norquist does not want to see former Gang of Six Sens. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) or Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) on board because they made “troubling” statements in support of revenue increases during the deficit negotiations this spring. He said that if Gang of Six Sen. Mike Crapo (R-Idaho) made stronger commitments to oppose taxes, he could be OK with that appointment.

  24. Way to go Baggeratistas!

    Breaking News Alert
    The New York Times
    Thursday, August 4, 2011 — 4:03 PM EDT

    Shares Lose More Than 4% in Sell-Off on Global Economy

    The Dow Jones industrial average and most stock markets around the world sagged more than 4 percent on Thursday as investors abandoned hope for an economic recovery and began fearing that the United States may be heading for a double-dip recession.
    With Thursday’s dive, the three major American indexes had erased all of the gains made so far in 2011. Markets from Brazil to Turkey were battered even more deeply.

    Following accelerating falls over the past two weeks, Wall Street is now officially in “correction” territory, defined as a drop of 10 percent to 20 percent since the latest peak.

    Read More:

    • This was the part of the whole game that was buried in America due to media politics. The rest of the world was also concerned about whether America was going to cut it’s own throat on the debt thing.

      But the interesting thing is the US only saw that. What the rest of the world was watching was HOW we did it. And frankly, we failed. We left it a political football that will be kicked around for the next 6 months, destabilizing not only our economy but the rest of the world.


    It looks like T-Paw’s candidacy is a non-starter so This is hardly big news but he is from my home state so I feel compelled to make a comment.

    T-Paw isn’t stupid or even ignorant. He is, however, a bald-faced liar who will do/say anything to pull a few fringe voters away from Crazy Shelly. I’m pretty sure that there is no peer reviewed work that supports a claim that most or all climate change is due to natural causes unless one considers the greenhouse effect to be a natural cause. It is, in fact, a natural process but it’s running away because of human emissions.

    I’ve posted this link before but it’s worth repeating for those who may get into an argument with a reasonable person who simply doesn’t know much about climate change. Liars and fanatics are hopeless so we have to try and outnumber them because we will never change their minds.

  26. As predicted. The trolls are all over the blogosphere claiming that the stock market collapse, and I don’t think collapse is too harsh a word, is due to “Obama holding the country hostage over the debt limit”. For my next prediction…

    The “librul media” will dutifully host a legion of Reichwhiners who will blame Obama while utterly failing to mention that every Dem who’s stepped up to a mic, for months, has been saying that cutting spending during a recession is the wrong move.

    The GOoPers have been gloating that they got 98% of what they wanted. Should they not then be assigned 98% of the blame?

    • One of the comments said Randi Rhodes had already reported this, and the comment was ‘three days ago’. I turned her show on this afternoon, and she repeated the same interpretation, that the CBO scores all bills against existing law, which requires that the Bush Tax Cuts expire. Pretty sneaky of the Pres. to get that in there. Randi is sure Boner knows this, and mislead his side of the aisle. I haven’t yet seen Boner prove he’s that astute.

      Anyway, I’ll take it.

  27. At 3,280 feet The Kingdom Tower will top the current tallest building, Dubai’s Burj Khalifa, by 568 feet. Its 5.7 million sq. ft. interior will house a Four Seasons hotel, apartments, and the world’s highest observation deck.

    Oh, and the building is a collaboration between Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal’s Kingdom Holdings and … the Bin Laden Group. Awkwaaaaard.

  28. .

    Jury Finds Sect Leader Guilty Of Sexual Assault

    A Texas jury found polygamist sect leader Warren Jeffs guilty Thursday of two counts of sexual assault on a child.
    Jeffs, who represented himself, remained stoic as the verdict was read. Jurors will deliberate again in the sentencing phase. The sect leader could face up to life in prison.

    If there is a supreme being – place this cretin in prison – for life.

  29. .
    This is from my niece-in-law (after school was out in AZ they joined my nephew):

    …trying to get [7 year old] enrolled in school. Everyone with our NC school district taaalllks reeaallly s-l-o-w. And yet, I am able to understand only half of what they say.

    I imagine it won’t take long for them to all sound North Carolinian. Her comment just made me laugh.

  30. After his alleged humiliation, the latest poll from the NYT/CBS sees the silver lining for Obama. He doesn’t come out smelling like roses, but the GOP has tainted itself badly by its tactics in the eyes of Americans. Obama’s handling comes out a wash, 46-47 approve-disapprove; Boehner does worse: 30 – 57. His 57 percent disapproval is up from 41 percent in April, with all the undecideds headed into the disapprove column. On who is trusted the most on the economy, Obama beats the GOP 47 – 33. And on the core question of whether this is a time to compromise or to stick to principles, compromise wins 85 – 12.

    Ask yourself: between Obama and the GOP, who has landed on the right side of that equation?

    • The banks, Wall Street, multinational corporations, big business, the oil/energy industries, big pharma, big aggie, health insurance companies, the military industrial complex, the US Chamber Of Commerce, the wealthiest Americans. 😉

      • Indeed. The fact is that President Obama, as Thom Hartmann recently said, “respects the process to a fault”. He doesn’t let the GOoPers win. He plays the role assigned to him and works within its limits. The encouraging part, as this poll indicates, is that it looks like a lot of people realize that.

        As much as we may enjoy seeing more forceful rhetoric from the president I’m not sure that it would be productive. If he does anything but kiss ass he is excoriated in the “librul media”. If he actually tried to invoke anything like the powers that Bush took upon himself he would be impeached.

  31. .

    Goosey Goosey Gander where shall I wander,
    Upstairs, downstairs and in my lady’s chamber
    There I met an old man who wouldn’t say his prayers,
    I took him by the left leg and threw him down the stairs.

  32. So I’m listening to the Ed Schultz radio show earlier today, his guest host Jeff Santos and some democratic guest were saying how we can’t give up on Obama and the democrats now. They mentioned how we need to flood our congress critters phone lines, both democratic and republican congress critters and tell them what we want them to do and what to stand up for.

    Um….In some cases I believe the majority of progressives and the rest of America spoke out for and wanted:

    * Affordable health care/insurance
    * Single payer health care
    * The Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans to expire
    * Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid benefits untouched
    * The wars to end and to bring our troops home
    * An equal, balanced approach between revenue and spending cuts in the budget
    * Unemployment benefit extensions for the 99ers.
    * Elizabeth Warren as head of the Consumer Financial Protection Agency

    The politicians don’t phucking care what we want and more importantly cannot do the right, moral, decent thing to do because corporate money and interest won’t allow them to.

  33. Badmoonman, those polls are nice but you know how the republicans seem to always control the message and how the democrats always seem to drop the ball in the message department even when the republicans serve an issue up on a silver platter.

    I don’t want to see the republicans gain back power but if Obama wins a second term and continues to operate as he has through out his first term, it won’t matter who becomes our next president. If Obama doesn’t come out swinging like both Presidents Roosevelt, we are phucked!

    • I have recently come to think that the Dems are not failing in getting their message out. The “librul media” is suppressing their message. Recently, for the first time I’ve seen, the Strib actually ran a story about Al Franken. They condemned him for “returning to his SNL roots” when he put up a placard that said “welcome terrorists” because that’s what would have happened if the military and homeland security didn’t get paid in a government default.

      I got curious and searched YouTube for Franken clips and, despite never hearing about it, he’s as forceful and clever as he was as a private citizen and satirist. Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi have “dropped their gloves” and flatly stated that the GOoPers are intentionally crashing the economy in an effort to win the White House and Senate. Again, the “librul media” failed to report it. I think a lot of Dems are saying the right things but the only place one hears them is “lefty blogs”, YouTube, and Cspan2 at 4:00 in the morning.

  34. A Daily Kos Diary, posted today, which speaks in quite some depth about the European financial dilemma and how it relates to the global financial dilemma. Things sound pretty dour, and the American fuck-around with its debt ceiling and its proposed budget cuts isn’t helping the matter at all.

    I’m not ‘banker’ enough to grasp the intricacies of global finance, but what the author says is detailed and sounds realistic. If he’s right, and if a few things are fixed fairly quickly, we might be on the edge of something that could be most unpleasant, and all around the world.

    Click the link and read it, those who are interested.

      • Unfortunately, I think there’s ALWAYS more money to bail out Wall Street. If they can’t find it or steal it they’ll just print it or create cyber-money out of thin air. Most of the money on Wall Street is, and always has been, held by a few families who will never give it up. And they write the rules to suit their needs.

  35. Thanks to my facebook friend for providing this link. This is the new Hooverville. A big shout out to Reagononmics, Eric Cantor, Pat Toomey and all the baggers and Republicans that sent jobs overseas and destroyed our economy.

    • Cats. I’ve been thinking lately that with all of the outrage over Mexicans coming to our country and stealing our jobs, why there isn’t more outrage over Republicans allowing Corporations to allow people in other countries to take American jobs. It must be a question of geography and out of sight, out of mind. That’s the only thing that I can figure.

      • Why isn’t there more outage over republicans allowing corporations to allow people in other countries to take American jobs…

        Because the republican/corporate brainwashing has been so thorough?

        But I agree, and will add:

        Why isn’t there more outrage over:

        * The republicans allowing corporations to continue to receive government subsidies when these corporations ship American jobs overseas?

        * The republicans, at the behest of the banks and Wall Street, opposed stronger financial regulatory reform?

        * The republicans supporting tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans while our economy is in the tank and we are still fighting 2 wars, plus Libya?

        * The republicans who were against extending unemployment benefits?

        * The republicans who were against helping 9/11 rescue workers?

        * The republicans wanting to eliminate or drastically cut Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security?

        * The republicans not wanting to close tax loopholes for the wealthy, multinational corporations and big business?

        * The teapublicans holding the country hostage over their ideology?

        • I’m pretty sure that it’s the “I’ve got mine, so y’all fuck off” phenomenon.

          Or the “I haven’t got a clue what my own needs are” syndrome.

  36. Yep, and Foxy Loxy ate Loosey Goosey, Ducky Lucky, Cocky Locky and Trukey Lurkey….after Henny Penny lost all of her money in the stock market… or something like that….

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