The Watering Hole: Wednesday, August 10, 2011: Hump Day: Wisconsin Votes to Reaffirm its Committment to Destroying Unions

Not too long ago, Wisconsin’s Republican Governor Scott Walker, together with a Republican Controlled legislature, took unprecedented steps to destroy public unions in the State. The Unions reacted with massive demonstrations and a recall effort.

Tonight, the good people of Wisconsin voted overwhelmingly to support 4 out of the 6 Republicans targeted for recall, essentially giving a resounding affirmation to the GOP’S efforts to destroy unions across this country.

As of this writing, with all but a couple of precincts reporting, 183,215 Cheeseheads (and I use that term affectionately) voted for the Republican incumbant and 164,542 voted for the Democratic challenger.

So, Wisconsin, enjoy your victory. Kiss unionism good-bye and welcome in a brand new era of Corporate dominance.

This is our open thread. When’s the last time you looked for the Union Label?

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228 thoughts on “The Watering Hole: Wednesday, August 10, 2011: Hump Day: Wisconsin Votes to Reaffirm its Committment to Destroying Unions

  1. There are still newly elected State Senators who are eligible for recall in January, the same as Walker. If they hold the two seats next Tuesday, they only need one more seat recalled. Sure it would have been better if things had gone our way last night, but keeping the Democratic voter energized is essential to put things right. Momentum needs to carry over into next year and continue past November.

    Many pundits said this was a test of the Citizens United ruling. I don’t think there were that many undecideds in Wisconsin. Also, you have to remember, these were entrenched Republicans in gerrymandered districts. I think the Republicans have reason to worry. Yogi said ‘it ain’t over till it’s over’. It ain’t over.

    • Very True and next year is a election year with even more opportunity to change the state landscape.

  2. I would take exception to some of your wording…

    Instead of “Tonight, the good people of Wisconsin” should be “some of the good people of Wisconsin.”

    This wasn’t a statewide election these were targeted districts. I also am not a believer that a single (or six) local elections can be extrapolated into any national mandate. (The national media and the Republicans – sorry that’s redundant – would disagree.)

    There’s also Walker’s recall, which would be more telling, and most telling would be the referendum in Ohio to actually rollback the union-busting bill rammed through by that state’s Republicans. If that gets repealed, that would be a much stronger signal about the will of the people on the specific issue of union busting.

    Just my humble opinion.

    • “I would take exception to some of your wording…”

      Thank you. I would expect you to. But Corporate Dominance, and “christian” dominance, is the way of the foreseeable future, whether by using unlimited funds to influence elections, or by having the “right” people in place to count the votes, we are ‘voluntarily’ giving up our standard of living….transfering our jobs to third world countries and our wealth to our Corporate and “religious” overlords.

  3. My admittedly distant hopes for a resurgent America were not enhanced last night in Wisconsin. It remains beyond my ken that so many voters apparently remain so willing to vote against their own interests and in favor of an authoritarian corporate-driven fascism. Is it ignorance? Perfidy? Outright fraud? Abject stupidity? All of the above?

    I suspect the latter.

    Whatever, it remains a sad thing to watch: one’s country of birth committing its own brand of national seppuku.

    • 1981? those ads were that long ago?

      I must’ve been having fun…why didn’t someone tell me I was having so much fun these past 30 years???

    • I belonged to the ILGWU in the early ’60s. At McGregor-Doniger’s in the shipping department. Once I got my union card, I could get a summer job , no problem. It paid well and the ware house did not have A/C. That was not a real problem as it was in NJ prior to global warming and the circulating fans were running at tornado force.

  4. And now for something completely different. This brave woman is an instant celebrity in riot stricken England. She’s got guts!

    • But the underlying point this woman makes is that a large part of the violence seems to be opportunistic, copy-cat, an excuse fo lawlessless by a generation of youth who have nothing but nihilism to offer. You might think that is a loaded opinion, but I am British and I go back often enough to see what has happened since I left 23 years ago.

      And I bet she did hit the streets for a cause, for something worth hitting the streets for.

      • I read that the Police Federation warned last year that proposed cuts in the Police force and proposed austerity measures increased the possibility of unrest and of course would reduce the Police’s ability to respond if such occurred.

        Well. what do you know?

        It looks to me that this rioting has been sheer opportunism no doubt enabled by rapid personal communications–but underlying it I’d guess is a nihilistic
        rationale developed from the general population being made responsible for the colossal economic fuck-ups, criminality and arrogance of the rich and powerful.

        There were the bank bailouts. There’s the collusion of Government with Murdoch’s empire. There were the MP expenses scandals. There’s the expense of Afghanistan and Iraq, there’s the various scandals about the exam and school grading system (privatized, over-priced, and fucking useless) and then the demand that the general public have to do with less.whilst the privileged and powerful continue to enjoy more.

        That doesn;t mean to say every rioting youth is particularly informed by all these grand actions, but it all adds to an increasingly nihilistic zeitgeist that the cards are stacked so what the fuck?

        And although the media and the government is acting surprised, it was actually quite predictable—-not in exact time and place and scope, but in general. Something was bound to happen. We’ve been here before.

        I am actually impressed with the Police. Back in the 70′s and early 80′s they;d gone medieval on the punks which would just have addressed the symptom, not the disease, and would exacerbated the situation. Now they are more circumspect in their methods ( notwithstanding not having the forces because of cuts). and taking a more measured approach.

        But its still the symptoms of policies they are dealing with. Its the policies and the politicians and the power-brokers who have enabled this and they have to be held to account as surely as the violent yobs have to account for their actions.

      • Terry, from what I read and see the British are pissed off about this kind of violence. If these idiots took their organising prowess and their blackberries to a cause (as the woman said) they’d accomplish something. But then, this is a generation which has been neglected in more than one way. GB is the one country here in Europe where the iron ceiling between the classes is almost impenetrable by now. Since Thatcher destroyed the unions and Blair the spirit of the working class, throwing welfare at the grandparents and parents of these kids was about the only they got from society. These kids are by now the third generation who never have seen their parents rise and go out to a job and earn their living, maybe even a little more and go on in the world. No perspective, no future, no proper education just a small monthly stipend, which they have learned to make the most of. Small wonder they think they are entitled to grab what they want, they haven’t seen any different from their parents or their grandparents and there is no way out of the cemented social structure they are caught up in. It is logical, they have developed their own idea of what is a career. For teenaged girls it’s having babies. For the blokes it’s getting ahead in your neighborhood gang. Kids ensure the girls the necessary funds for a life in this dreary workless and futureless place they are stuck in and appeal to their need for family and love. Gangs provide the boys with their idea of something like a family and the opportunity to earn some more by making use of five finger discounts or dealing in recreational substances. They can’t share our values, we haven’t shared any of ours with them. or rather, we have showed them, we don’t have any either.

        /rant.

        • Commentary from the Guardian (left-leaning): “Decades of individualism, competition and state-encouraged selfishness – combined with a systematic crushing of unions and the ever-increasing criminalisation of dissent – have made Britain one of the most unequal countries in the developed world.” – even more so than the US from a study comparing parents and children’s earnings as a measure of ‘social mobility’

          Here’s the bomb-throwing tabloid of the “little Englander”, the Mail. I rarely agree with Littlejohn and don’t agree with all of this (and often call him out on his page for his ‘economy with the truth’ about US politics). But here he is on the riots – more like the Ikea Riot of 2005 than any politically motivated one

          Some quotes I agree with:
          “This wasn’t a spontaneous uprising of dissent from the downtrodden masses, it was shopping with violence.”

          “In countries where there’s real deprivation, they have food riots. Here we have flat-screen TV riots.”

          It is interseting that Littlejohn, who has railed agianst uncontrolled immigration in the UK for years (“asylum-seekers”), sides with the people from Poland, Turkey and so on, who he claims have been willing to atke the jobs the rioters for the most part scorn (because being on government beneifts is much easier) and its these people who have been the subject of racism.

          This is a tough one to really plumb out – there’s no simple cause to point to. That modern British society is unequal, lacking in opportunity and vision is correct, but at the same time the culture is impoverished, lawless, crass and violent. Both sides of these stories are coming out this week.

          One more link to follow

          • Terry, I hope you don’t think I am excusing the violence. I just was talking about the soil in which it grew.

            • I think that seeing a picture of a 9-year old looting a bottle of wine from a store is hard to explain away by an unequal society and the imposition of austerity measures alone.

              Here he is – the face of today’s Britain:

              This is nothing to do with social inequality, austerity or police racism

              Now I still have many family and friends there most with kids of their own and they are struggling all to bring their kids up in the culture EV describes. My best friend still remembers the day he was caned for smoking at aged 9 at school – so do I – but I bet this kid in the picture has never been given a similar lesson in the difference between right and wrong in his lfe.

            • Terry, but they’re not all rioting. I still don’t like the cane. I would never hit my kids, never mind what they do. But tgey wouldn’t anyway (I hope)

            • Yes EV, but then would your kids be looting vodka threw a smashed window at age 9?

            • My older one smashed a window with a bow and an arrow a couple of years ago, he was devastated. He immediately ran inside fetched his piggy bank and handed over all the money he had to pay for it. He was nine.

              Gratuitous violence and destruction were never accepted by me. But I do allow for accidents and mistakes.

              I told them, if they were caught in brawls or Vandalism i would consider this as my personal education failure. I promised them I would then accompany them to school each morning, right to the classroom, plant a kiss on their cheek and pick them up again after school again greeting them with a kiss. My sons know me well enough. They both went pale at the thought of motherly affection in front of their buddies.

              What I am sying is: where are the parents of this nine year old? And isn’t this a sign of total societal dysfunctionality?

            • Ev answers to your questions:

              ‘Probably at the pub’ and ‘Yes’

              Anecdote about a teacher who tried to have a girl thrown off an A-level class for not doing *any* of the homework. Girl’s mother responded with: “you are trying to destroy my daughter’s self-esteem, that’s an attack on her and will damage her growth as a human being – if you don’t stop, I will take legal action”

              Britain’s youth is going feral.

            • Another quote paraphrased: “Well if your role models are limited to Wayne Rooney, an individual whose standards of behaviour have no redeeming qualities whatsoever, what do you expect?”

            • I like roo as a footballer. Other than that he’s a cad. But I liked paul gascoigne too. And George Best

              I spent a lot of my money on booze, birds and fast cars – the rest I just squandered.
              George Best

              He was an idiot and used up two livers one donor organ that should have gone to someone else, but he was brilliant.

      • Two quotes from both sides of the German spectrum – I think this gets close to it when read together:

        “Left-leaning Berliner Zeitung said: ‘The country has lost faith in every authority: the banks, politicians, the media, the police. The corruption has reached even the smallest unit – the family. There is a generation growing up without values of any kind.’

        ….., the conservative Die Welt commented: ‘The unrest in London is a form of hooliganism by losers who are living in a society which no longer has anything left to offer losers. Among the arsonists are people who no longer possess any values.”

        Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024486/British-youths-unpleasant-violent-world-Damning-verdict-writer-globe-reacts-riots.html#ixzz1Ue15h74k

  5. What remains to be seen is the enormous effect that the outside monied interests from Americans for (Perpetual Republican screwing of Real Americans) Prosperity and the Koch brothers had on these elections. There is no way that union money can compete with the millions of dollars that these monied groups can contribute.

    • Plus, our Corporate overlords are doing all they can to eliminate the competition – the Unions.

      The question remains: how bad will it have to get before Americans rise up en masse and take our government back?

      A second question is: who will rise up from the masses to lead them in that fight? Any suggestions?

    • What puzzles me the most, something I can’t find the means of understanding, is how exactly does big money indirectly (as oppose to direct deposit) convince vast numbers of middle class citizens to vote AGAINST their own best interests? Why are so many so susceptible to wanton propaganda when the only thing they have to ‘gain’ from it is their own diminishment, not to mention the potential destruction of their own homeland’s raison d’etre via its subtle conversion to a stomping boot heel?

      I can understand how great numbers of voters might be influenced to vote a certain way following, say, a direct deposit to their own bank accounts of $100,000, give or take a few bucks, but by millions spent on bogus TV and radio ads? Baffling.

      Was it something in the cheese?

      • Do you have any of those “membership cards” from the grocery store or other retailer, where you get some trivial “rebate” based on your purchases? Do you buy things with a credit card?

        Corporations, hence the Republican Party uses data regarding purchases to create demographic profiles of the population in every given area. With that information, commercials can be designed specifically to influence the people in the targeted area to act against their own best interests, be it spending it on things they don’t really need, or voting for candidates whose real agenda is not aligned with their needs.

        • Yup. Advertising works. And one thing that really helps advertising is cultural homogeneity, which advertising also promotes.
          “Be the first on your block….collect all five….be a part of the sensation…..”
          Or
          “Us and them….politician X can’t be trusted…’Real Americans….a vote for X is a vote for personal and national ruin’
          These are general messages…
          Then there’s the specific ones:
          “You may be suffering from Restless Leg Syndrome….Muslim’s want to impose Sharia Law!”
          .

          • I should add…. this is why liberals don’t respond to messaging the way conservatives do…by their nature they gravitate to diversity. It’s also why liberal politicians are so bad at ‘messaging’.

            And then there’s the independents who like to think they are doing themselves a favor by being just contrarian—their interest is their sense of independence, but most of them swing Republican because Republicans always provide the message of personal independence whereas the Dems always talk abut collective responsibility.

        • “Grocery store membership card”? No, no need for one. In fact, we haven’t even darkened the door of a chain supermarket for at least two years, maybe more. Not worth the 60 mile round trip. We shop only at the local market a block or so up the road. And no, I don’t have a credit card. Cut them all in half ten years ago, haven’t missed a one of them. Also don’t subscribe to TV, so no commercials either. Beyond that, I’ve never been one to pay much attention to sound bytes or bland talking points. I much prefer to mine the realities which most politicians try to keep hidden, to evaluate information and then to make as credible a choice as possible. Can’t figure out why everyone else doesn’t do the same or similar. :)

      • They spent millions to catapult the propaganda… they use (low information voter) people’s own fear about what they see going on and they find someone to blame for the ads to point the finger at.

        Fear and anger…

        • and someone to blame…..

          I hate to use the Germany during WWII reference…. but it is the same thing.

  6. I like this guy’s attitude:

    I’ve got to say, I expected to be torn up if we didn’t get to three seats. I expected to suffer through yet another bout of electoral depression, bummed at coming up short yet again. And we did come up short!
    Short of what? Short of taking the Wisconsin Senate? Sure. That would’ve been nice.

    But let me just say, if tonight was a loss, I hope we have many more such “losses” in 2012.

    We took the fight into red territory, and took two seats. What was a safe 19-14 GOP advantage is now a narrow 17-16. If we had those numbers going into 2011, the anti-labor bill would never have passed—one GOPer voted with the Democrats (and hey, Sen. Dale Schultz, the water is mighty fine on our side of the aisle!).

    The execrable Randy Hopper is gone. He can cry in his 20-something-year-old mistress’s arms tonight. And Kapanke too. It sucks being unemployed in Wisconsin these days. Maybe they can get a non-union job at McDonald’s.

    Beyond Wisconsin, if we can enjoy a similar “loss rate” in Republican-held districts (picking up 33 percent of them), Speaker Nancy Pelosi will have a huge majority in 2013. We had a message that resonated with large numbers of working people in overwhelmingly white working-class districts that shifted hard against Democrats in 2010. GOP overreach is winning them back for us. Just think, before today, only 13 state legislators had been recalled in the entire history of this nation.

  7. Here is the message our Corporate overlords want us to accept:

    A stand by Wisconsin Republicans against a massive effort to oust them from power could reverberate across the country as the battle over union rights and the conservative revolution heads toward the 2012 presidential race

    Democrats succeeded in taking two Wisconsin state Senate seats away from Republican incumbents on Tuesday but fell one short of what they needed to seize majority control of the chamber.

    Republicans saw it as a big win for Gov. Scott Walker and a confirmation of his conservative agenda, the hallmark of which was a polarizing proposal taking away most collective bargaining rights from public workers.

    To which I say, “Never give up, never surrender!” Wisconsin’s public employees may feel betrayed by their private sector bretheren, but they did succeed in ousting 2 incumbant State Senators. And did that in the face of unprecedented outside money pouring in to influence the election, and in spite of new laws enacted just to make it harder for their supporters to even cast a vote, and in spite of whom was in charge of counting the votes.

    The battle for the future of America must be fought on every level for every elected position, be it a water board, a school board, a city council, a county board of supervisors. No elected position can be ceded to the ruling class.

    If the only way to get the ruling class to part with their money is to force them to spend lavish ammounts fighting a grass-roots movement at every level of government, then that is certainly one way to have their horded trillions pumped back into the American economy.

    • This was the point I was trying to make earlier on. (To which it seemed like I may have ruffled your feathers a bit, which wasn’t my intent.)

      I agree we need to continue to fight, and to fight hard. The thing about aiming high (such as we have in Wisconsin) is sometimes you fall short. But we’re still closer than were would have been had we done nothing.

      I also refuse to buy into the right-wing and media talking point that every single election is a proxy for the national agenda.

      • you didn’t ruffle my feathers. My post was more of a “be careful of what you vote for, Wisconsin – you may get it!”. But it was late, I was miffed, so it might not have come across as intended.

    • How much money was it again $40m? Thanks Citizens United for selling democracy to the highest bidder.

      • Citizens United might well be labeled a defining example of what might be called Suborning Perfidy, wherein the highest court in the land broke every bond of honor and justice in service not of we the people but instead of an errant form of political reality. It was a case wherein five of nine justices forever defined themselves as perfidious scum. Hard to sink any lower than that.

        And unfortunately, we the people are left with virtually no available recourse beyond the near impossible impeachment process. Lifetime appointments. Not always a wise policy.

          • Has to do with not having them have to campaign for election and therefore be subject to political motivations and pressures. A nice theory if the judges appointed are true jurists and honorable. Neither quality is in the qualifications these days for appointment. Now political position is the defining trait.

            • I propose a Constitutional amendment, one that would offer as a means of SCOTUS cleansing other than impeachment, a simple majority vote by the members of tpzoo.wordpress.com. That could work. :grin:

            • Not certain the Zoo appointment would pass muster but it would get a nice court.

              The other option would be to have the senior federal judges vote on the selection made by the President. Congress has proven they don’t know jack. About anything.

      • $40M — and they lost two seats.

        $10M per repiggie. I’m sure they think they got their money’s worth. *spit*

        • It;s just a down payment on what they expect to get back… and what do workers get? The shaft. Look forward to poor working conditions, low pay, and long hours… and your children will get to work too. No one will be able to bargain for better conditions, because guess what? You voted to get rid of the UNIONS.

          • The rise of representative liberal democracy *and* the Unions are correlated – its no coincidence.

          • Brings to mind that old Johnny Paycheck song.

            “They get the gold mine, we get the shaft”

  8. Well Fox is getting an early start at spinning the Wisconsin recall elections. The headline starts us off.

    Wisconsin GOP’s Stand Could Reverberate Elsewhere

    That’s true. It’s also true to say that it may not reverberate anywhere else. It seems unlikely to me that a voter in Hawaii is going to say “Gee, since Wisconsin GOP kept control of their Senate, I should vote GOP.” So the headline is spin. (And this isn’t even an opinion piece, it’s a “news” story.)

    But that’s not enough. They gleefully cheer on what they refer to as the conservative revolution:

    A stand by Wisconsin Republicans against a massive effort to oust them from power could reverberate across the country as the battle over union rights and the conservative revolution heads toward the 2012 presidential race.

    You can almost hear the fife and drums in that paragraph. This small, rag-tag band of freedom-fighting Republicans against this mighty liberal machine. They fail to mention how well financed the GOP candidates were just to keep 4 of their 6 seats.

    Then they go on to the he-said, she-said type of reporting and hit us with this comment:

    Democrats and union leaders tried to make the best of the historic GOP wins. There had been only 13 other successful recalls of state-level office holders nationwide since 1913.

    If the trend is for incumbents in recall elections to prevail, how is this historic for the GOP. It actually seems historic for the Democrats that they just added two more successful recalls to that nearly-century-old statistic.

    One has to wonder if the Democrats hold on to their seats in next week’s recall election if Fox (and the AP, who is credited with this story) will be equally as proactive in saying it’s a huge Democratic victory. Historic even, and evidence that the tide is turning toward the liberal revolution?

  9. “A stand by Wisconsin Republicans against a massive effort to oust them from power…”

    Excuse me? Can we be a little more blatant here?

  10. Fox is reporting that Boehner and McConnell have made their picks. They are:

    Jeb Hensarling of Texas
    Dave Camp of Michigan
    Fred Upton of Michigan

    Jon Kyl of Arizona
    Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania
    Rob Portman of Ohio

    Of course not content to leave it at straight reporting, Fox ends with this:

    There are concerns that both sides will stalemate over Democrats insisting on tax increases as part of the plan, which Republicans refuse to consider.

    That’s funny. I would think another way to say that is:

    There are concerns that both sides will stalemate over Republicans ideological inflexibility, by refusing put all options on the table, including restoring tax levels back to the point they were during more prosperous times.

    • How about:
      It would be obvious to any hydro-cephalic ableptic that any Republican compromise will be in the form of allowing the Democrats to STFU.

    • Club for Growth Toomey will not be budging. He will only accept dismantling Social Security and Medicare. If the baggers had stayed home and Philadelphians voted last fall, PA would have elected Sestak. Instead we have Wall Street Toomey. I must share this… Toomey’s ads had his children sitting next to him on his sofa and he appeared so kind and caring. Corbett, PA Governor, did the same thing in his ads. People were fooled and if they do the same thing in 2012, then they are really fools.

  11. “and the conservative revolution heads toward the 2012 presidential race.”

    I guess so.

  12. Don’t forget NY23 (and its 70,000 Republican voter advantage) . A teabagger took it one special election FOX and the GOP claimed it a referendum on Obama. When they lost it in the regular election, it wasn’t a referendum on the Teabaggers but only on their candidate.

    • Indeed. The media’s “analysis” of elections is akin to it’s analysis of the stock market. They roll the dice and say whatever comes to mind as if it’s fact.

  13. TP makes a good point, that we must also remember that those who were subject to recall yesterday weren’t newly elected in 2010. These were entrenched incumbents from prior elections. This is due to the 1-year waiting period required by Wisconsin law before a recall can be initiated.

    • I was pissed off last night, but this morning I’m feeling better about the situation in WI.

      The people stood up and fought back WITHIN THE LAW against their government — that is democracy at work. Sure they didn’t get everything they wanted, but that rarely ever happens. They will keep up the fight until the criminal boss Scott Wanker is recalled or a complete lame duck, and that’s what they’re supposed to do.

      Wisconsin is setting a great example for the rest of the country — WELL DONE!!

  14. As BnF so ably points out, the R’s lost a third of the challenged seats, despite being in typically red districts, despite massive spending. These weren’t regular elections, the R’s lost ground. There will be two fewer R’s in Madison. If they had a true mandate, all 6 would have won handily. And the Waukesha Wonder is still in the works.

      • Talked to my repiggie salesman just a bit ago. He was saying the Dems are having a nice crow lunch. I said, “Really? Two less Republicans in the Senate? And just what did the R’s gain?”

          • Made me think of those T shirts…’My folks went to (Wherever) on vacation and all I got was this lousy shirt.’

            The R’s spent millions and all they got was two less seats. Not even a cheap T shirt. :)

  15. The bank next door to where I am working was just robbed … police have evacuated the buildings … search dogs …

    Just another day in paradise …

  16. Do you think the voting in Wisconsin yesterday was affecting in any way by Gov. Walker’s passing the voter I.D. law, and closing those DMV offices in the 10 more heavily Democratic areas? (I had forgotten about this).

    • The recall districts were more red than blue, muse. While the ID thing may have had an impact I think it was something else. Pampero Firpo has been canvassing in two of the most contested districts and said the most rabid support for the R’s came from what one would call trailer trash. What used to be blue collar workers who are buying the Faux crap.

      I’m thinking it is what may come to be called the Weimar Effect. Misdirection of anger over circumstances due to propaganda focusing on blaming groups with a high negative emotional quotient.

      • Yet the lives of the trailer trash have not improved with the Pubs in power. It’s only gotten worse for them. I swear it is the fear of losing their guns. Pubs always tell people that the Dems will take their guns away which is the number one Pub fantasy. And the Dems will make everyone become atheist.

    • .
      I read that this morning.
      The drag-time between reporting Waukesha County and final vote is questionable. Perhaps there is no ‘violation’ – certainly needs looking into.

    • This is what Brad Friedman say about this:

      Lame, Dems. You don’t charge election tampering and evidence of fraud when you ain’t got none. Want some? Try counting the actual ballots in Wisconsin rather than relying on oft-failed, easily-manipulated computers to do so. You might be amazed at what you find.

  17. Quote of the Day:

    “If liberals were doing to their country what extremist tea party Republicans are doing to theirs – it would be called unpatriotic. A whole tsunami of sound bites would sweep the country calling for the sabotage to stop… If liberals did this to their own country they’d be called criminals. The tea party did do this to their own country and they are treated like avant-garde Civil War reenactors,” – Tina Dupuy. (call me sexist but she’s a total babe)

    http://blog.cagle.com/2011/08/if-the-tea-party-were-liberal/

  18. Dylan Ratigan went on a tear yesterday:

    In his rant Tuesday, Ratigan blamed not only both houses of Congress but also the president for failing to address the root of the country’s economic problem. He said of President Obama, according to an MSNBC transcript:

    “I would like him to go to the people of the United States of America and say, “People of the United States of America, your Congress is bought, your Congress is incapable of making legislation on healthcare, banking, trade, or taxes because if they do it, they will lose their political funding and they won’t do it. But I’m the President of the United States, and I won’t have a country that is run by a bought Congress. So I’m not going to work with a bought Congress and try to be Mr. Big Guy … I’m going to abandon the bought Congress like Teddy Roosevelt did, and I’m going to go to the people of the United States get rid of the bought Congress.” … Until a President says that’s the problem and says he’s going to fix it, there is no policy that I can possibly see no matter how brilliant your idea may be or your idea or my idea or her idea or your idea at home, is that idea will not happen as long as there’s a capacity to basically fire a politician who disagrees with me by taking funding away from him. Is that a fair assessment?”

    He also said this in response to a discussion on the country’s debt and credit rating:

    “Tens of trillions of dollars are being extracted from the United States of America. Democrats aren’t doing it, Republicans are not doing it, an entire integrated system, financial system, trading system, taxing system, that was created by both parties over a period of two decades is at work on our entire country right now,” said Ratigan. “We’re sitting here arguing about whether we should do the $4 trillion plan that kicks the can down the road for the president for 2017, or burn the place to the ground, both of which are reckless, irresponsible and stupid.”

    • Yeah, Ratigan’s screed was pie-in-the-sky performance art. He might as well have called for eliminating all firearms in the US. And he did conveniently fail to mention how ALL elections are bought, not just Congressional ones.

      MSNBC gets a charge out of their on-air personalities wildly venting and gesticulating as long as it’s directed at someone or something not in the studio, right Cenk?

  19. .
    on the debt and credit

    Oh the whole mess reminds me of grammar school: name calling; pushing and shoving…
    the unfortunate thing there isn’t a teacher or yard monitor to put them in line to make them think how actions have consequences.

  20. A sucker bet. Who would want to bet that if we, somehow, magically, ended all pay and benefits for members of Congress that it would not change the rabid desire for said positions? In other words, who thinks people run for Congress for the pay and benefits?

  21. Before we go all doom and gloom over Wisconsin let’s consider a couple things.

    1. Some of the Democratic candidates were virtual unknowns, a school teacher and a deputy mayor, running against entrenched incumbents.
    2. All the incumbents had organizations in place while the challengers had to assemble theirs from scratch in a couple months.
    3. Vast amounts of money poured in from the GOP political machine; much of which went to vile attack adds that were designed to scare the crap out of stupid people.
    4. One Republican voted against Walker’s union busting program. Were that vote to be held with two more Dems it would have failed.
    5. Successfully replacing two lawmakers in a mass recall effort is pretty danged impressive. That’s two more than most states have seen in their entire history.

    We didn’t see quite the result we wanted but I’m still encouraged by what the good people of Wisconsin accomplished. I am proud of, and grateful to, all those who made this recall effort happen. If we can knock off 1 out of 3 GOoPers over the next couple years? I’ll take it.

    • .
      Well said!
      I’m still upset there will be no investigation into the goings-on in Waukesha County.

      That two Dems now have footprints in previously held Repiggie areas – that is quite an accomplishment!

      • Actually, ebb, Darling is under investigation under federal complaints as I posted earlier. With luck this may lead to a federal investigation of the election results.

        • Are county clerks subject to recall? One would think that even GOoPers would want her out of there because her participation brings all things into question. Even leaving the elections out of it; how would one feel about filing an action with a country clerk who just makes up her own accounting methods on a whim? I live way over here in Minnesota and I’m tempted to go and picket her office. Even if there’s no malfeasance I detest incompetence on such a scale.

          • Darling Accused of Criminal Felonies

            Madison Wisconsin — In a conference call just moments ago, Democratic Party Chair Mike Tate issued a statement in regards to Alberta Darling’s campaign breaking the law. The complaint alleges the Darling campaign has committed 3 felonies. The Democratic Party claims that Darling has colluded with right wing front groups Right to Life, Wisconsin Family Action, Americans for Prosperity, and American Federation for Children.
            An independent group provided email communications between Alberta Darling and these groups that provide proof of a collusion and conspiracy. These communications were only released when the group threatened to sue Darling for violating the FOIA. The accusations also allege that Darling was the principal author of legislation that benefits “for profit” education in Wisconsin.
            Yesterday the Milwaukee County District Attorney announced an investigation into an election bribery allegation against right-wing coalition of corporate funded special interest groups, these groups include Americans for prosperity, Wisconsin Family Action and Wisconsin Right to Life. The Democratic party of Wisconsin alleges that Darling accepted hundreds of thousands of unregulated dollars from these groups while writing Scott Walker’s budget proposal that benefited each of these groups.
            On July 13th the Wisconsin Democrats filed an FOIA into Darlings communications with these coalitions and the now embattled Senator refused to turn them over. Party Chair Mike Tate stated that Darling knew full well that she was engaging in collusion, coordination, and election bribery and that is why her campaign has attempted to smear the Pasch campaign with its wild accusations.
            The Democratic Party of Wisconsin has filed this complaint with the Government Accountability Board, and various United States Attorney offices in the Eastern and Western parts of Wisconsin. Read the complaint here.

            http://www.politiscoop.com/component/content/article/35-last-24h-news/439-darling-accused-of-criminal-felonies.html

          • Very odd. I tried the link when I first posted it and it worked. It seems politiscoop is dysfunctional at present

    • You are correct. I’ve worked write-in campaigns on a local level. These campaigns were sometimes as close as 3 weeks before the election. It took a great deal of effort and that is on a small, local level, like school board and District Attorney (primary). My hats off to all the people that volunteered their time and effort to a recall election. Winning any seats is almost impossible in a special election. Keep moving forward.

  22. No good will come of this.

    Cheney prepares media blitz

    Former vice president Dick Cheney has written a book — In My Time: A Personal and Political Memoir — that is set for release on Aug. 30.

    And along with a book, comes a media blitz.

    NBC News announced today that it will conduct multipart interviews with George W. Bush’s vice president.

    The first will air in prime time Monday, Aug. 29, on NBC’s Dateline program.

  23. Interesting day. Earlier this morning as I was sitting here reading up on the WI results, I heard several sirens screaming down the highway a half-block away. Not unusual as both the local Pueblo County Sheriff’s office patrol cars and ambulances are housed just up the street, so I didn’t pay any attention. Since then, I’ve learned that the sirens were Sheriff’s patrol cars in pursuit of some GA-FL criminals wanted for bank robbery and attempted murder. They’d been spotted yesterday in Colorado Springs, 65 miles north, then in Canon City. They’d stopped in Pueblo at the local Walmart to buy ammo for their AK-47 then stopped for gas two miles from here in Colorado City where the fellow who runs the station spotted them and alerted local authorities. The chase ended about 20 miles south, near Walsenberg, when their car crashed and rolled. A few shots were exchanged, one of them wounded but not seriously, and then the roundup and transport to County Jail in Pueblo.

    Shades of the wild west.

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/10/georgia.three.siblings.manhunt/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

    • PLEASE NOTE: If Obama withholds Governement Checks, Food Stamp & EBT Cards on August 3rd, 2011 & People get ‘Testy’ causing RIOTS & LOOTING
      and Martial Law RESULTS – all Ammo Shipments could be SUSPENDED under Martial Law – so you MIGHT WANT TO GET WHAT YOU CAN NOW !!!

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      • .
        [That's a great find CF]

        So those bank robbers were a few days late on the ‘sale’ and had to stop off at a WalMart near Frugal!

      • CheeseFlap, I love your haiku but Obama doesn’t have the authority to stop any of those things. This is not to say the US is only a single incident behind the present situation in England. Or Italy. Or Greece. Or any other country that has smelled the jasmine and finds it better than the rot of corporatism.

  24. Wow. Bank robbery for lass. Fleeing felons for frugal (nice alliteration). What’s next? Cranky Christians cry collusion in Wisconsin?

  25. New CNN Poll: Majority want tax increase for wealthy and deep spending cuts

    … According to the poll, 63 percent say the super committee should call for increased taxes on higher-income Americans and businesses, with 36 percent disagreeing. And by a 57 to 40 percent margin they say the committee’s deficit reduction proposal should include major cuts in domestic spending.

    But cuts in defense spending get a mixed review: Forty-seven percent would like the committee to include major cuts in military spending, with 53 percent saying no to such cuts.
    [...]

    What’s behind the reluctance of the masses when it comes to cutting the military/war budget? That so-called “Defense” appropriation could be cut by half and the only ones who would really notice it are the M.I.C. I mean, three-quarters of a trillion dollars EVERY FREAKIN’ YEAR is a LOT of mostly wasted cash. What would defense alone cost? A third of that? Maybe even less?

    What is it about war spending that entices the citizenry? I suspect for some it’s a pecker extender of sorts, but 53%? Really?

    • Honestly, I suspect that most people have no idea how much of their taxes are spent on war and defense. They just know that if it wasn’t spent they would be living under Sharia Law with Chinese food and Russian vodka.

      • and because the US hasn’t suffered the consequences of modern war on its own soil. ( the Civil War does not count as modern, despite it’s use of industry, trains, a couple of iron-clads and telegraphy) , war is something that happens to other people, somewhere else, so it’s cool, like a movie or video game.

      • You may well be right, though it’s hard for me to imagine that so many are so blind (or perhaps simply turned off) to that which is so blatantly obvious. This incessant voice of war which has, since America’s inception, acted as both keel and propulsion for the ship of state serves no useful purpose other than to enrich the few at the expense (and lives) of the many. War has been mankind’s curse since the day the species first emerged from its evolutionary goo, probably even before. War is the bottomless pit into which everything of value is constantly tossed, its ONLY benefit being the somewhat gruesome advantage the biosphere earns via any reduction, however temporary, in human population.

        And yet today, 53% of Americans surveyed don’t want any cuts in the military/war budget. I guess I can imagine a survey where maybe 1 or 2% would feel that way — there will always be the fools among us, after all — but 53%? Absolutely baffling.

        Frankly, I’d be all in favor of a return to the days where the prospect of conscription — being drafted — was on every young man’s mind. For a long time I’ve felt pride, having been of the generation which protested loudly and effectively enough to force the authorities to abandon the Draft and settle instead for an all volunteer military; not so anymore. Ending the Draft was a mistake. Doing so took away the impetus on the part of the youth to say NO to war, and mean it.

        But today it’s worse than ever. If you believe the polls, 53% agree that it’s worth tossing the national treasure into the military black hole. Unbelievable.

        Rant over. For now at least.

  26. Quote of the Day II:

    “Listen I throw these ideas out there [Matt Damon for President], because I recognize the country I live in. Living in Michigan now, the main topic of conversation this week was the last episode of the ‘Bachelorette,’ and why did Ashley pick J.P. over Ben. That’s the country I live in, and they all vote. And I’d like to communicate with them,” — filmmaker/activist Michael Moore

  27. I’m thinking if you could bring someone from 1975 to today and gave them a 48 hour crash course in modern society they would probably say what in the hell has happened. If you go back to 1965 and they would go back and commit suicide to prevent it from happening.

  28. Quote of the Day 3: (well Sunday anyway)

    “…when faced with the greatest economic crisis, the greatest levels of economic inequality, and the greatest levels of corporate influence on politics since the Depression, Barack Obama stared into the eyes of history and chose to avert his gaze.”

  29. WalMart is opening a new 91,000 sq. ft. store in Bayonne, New Jersey. Its been advertising 300 positions for 23 days now, and says it hopes it will complete it’s recruitment drive by Sept 5, 26 days from now.
    So far the WalMart recruiters report they have been seeing 100 applicants per day—in other words, 2,300 job-seekers to fill 300 jobs and they are apparently only halfway through the recruiting process.

    Having worked setting up stores of a similar size (actually about 30% larger) for the great indoors, a division of Sears, I can say that requiring a staff of 300 sounds about right. In the TGI stores, though, the clientele were upwardly mobile discretionary consumers; whereas in Sears for example, a top-line fancy barbecue grill might be $1,000, the top-line TGI product would be $5,000. It wasn’t uncommon for a customer to spend $2,000 on a set of sheets, pillow cases, duvet and decorative cushions for their bed. The critical staff were of course the management, but the floor salespeople had have appropriate retail experience, customer service skills and appropriate levels of personal comportment.

    Having been obliged during these store setups around the country to rely on various Walmarts to get some food, or useful work-related item or clean socks during my insane schedule at 3 am I know that working on the sales floor at WalMart doesn’t require a great deal of a person other than the fortitude to work for such a famously shitty company.

    Yet here we have WalMart apparently unwilling and/or unable to find 300 staff in 23 days, in a desperate job market, in the locality where the workers will be serving their own neighbors (WalMart and Bayonne are a perfect demographic match). Assuming that the applicant rate persists (and why shouldn’t it?) they will spend 7 weeks to collect 4, 600 applications to fulfill about 300 jobs.

    From the Jersey Journal:

    Gratz [Walmart recruiting spokesperson] says […] the tremendous turnout has only made it more difficult.

    (so… so …difficult!
    They have to interview people from of all different career backgrounds, including some like sports librarian Carlton Varnum.
    “I have always worked as a customer service representative,” said the 57-year-old Jersey City resident, who has been unemployed for two years. “Leaving here today, I’m pretty confident, because they said they need 300 employees and I hope I am one of them, considering we may be hit with a new recession.”

    This provides a fine example of the dynamics of the current job market. It takes the experience and skills of a ten year old to fulfill the majority of jobs a store like WalMart requires—stocking shelves, replacing sales promotion signs, collecting carts and dealing with trash are the major occupations of most employees (you don’t even need to know how to use a pricing gun as they have long been redundant) and it would seem WalMart is set to process over 15 times as many applicants as there are shitty jobs, and to have the successful applicants wait from 4 to 7 weeks before they can start earning minimum wage.

      • I guess.

        From my experience, I figured Walmart Bayonne could use an IT person for the store ( when at TGI we had that requirement, and the recruiters didn’t have a fucking clue how to qualify the candidate, nor did management—I wrote an application exam and a 15 page store-tech manual describing what they needed to know, what they would have to learn, how the store systems worked, what their most common issues would be, what they should be able to fix on their own, what they should escalate, when and why, who it should be escalated to ( usually me) — even though it wasn’t my job but that of the trainers and HR and my boss..

        But I have to apply on-line and there’s NO category for an in-store IT person. I don’t care how ‘locked down the in-store systems are, or how centrally controlled they may be, that’s just fucking stupid!

      • yeah,,,, Wauekesha exhibited the largest voting count activity and largest shift lin voter preference ( from Pasch in the lead to Darling suddenly having a diamteric lead) in the shortest amount of time. at just past the middle of the reprting timeline, and then everything suddenly went back to the more established ratio with Darling slowly increasing her lead, Funny how that worked out!

        • Probably was coordinated with the arrival of the truck out back, the one filled with however many ballots it took to keep things “honest” for Darling.

  30. Some good news:
    I listened to John Nichols from the Nation on the radio and he said that it was a good thing that the Dems picked up two seats in the Senate. And that it makes people realize that it will take a little longer to recoup…. but the best part?

    Right now, the count is R’s: 17 and D’s: 16. BUT there is ONE of those R’s that is a moderate Republican (probably the only one left in the country) and is (get this) PRO-labor… and has criticized Walker’s anti-labor stances. He doesn’t believe in beating up on working folks like Walker has been doing. (Social issues are another matter — he’s conservative there…but on economic matters….he’s workable.

    • That person just became the most powerful member of the Wisconsin Senate. Both sides will court him (or rather his swing vote). He’s going to get a lot of his own personal agenda done, and probably a fair amount of state pork for his district.

  31. Heh! Lushbo says that the GOoPers have a real chance at overturning “65 years of Democrat (sic) policies”. And here I thought that’s what they’ve been doing since Reagan was inaugurated.

    For some strange reason they seem to forget about the 20 years of republican administrations since 1980. The 22 years that they have held the House, the Senate, or both and the 25 years controlling the Supreme Court. Frankly, the biggest logical gripe about the Democrats is that they haven’t managed to stop the GOoPers but, for some reason, I don’t think that’s what Lushbo is talking about.

    • Limbaugh’s lip flapping words are getting more ridiculous every day. He once sounded relevant. Now he is sounding like he needs more media attention.

  32. The Dow is down over 500 for the day.

    I’m going to pretend I’m a news organization and draw my own conclusions as to why.

    I think the market is reacting to the fact that Wisconsin is still going to have a Republican-controlled Senate.

    (Wow, this is easy. No wonder the news organizations do it.)

    • Nah, it’s because of the FEAR that the Socialist Marxist left may have gained enough muscle to at least challenge Walker’s plan to destroy Wisconsin’s NASTY and HORRIBLY EXPENSIVE middle class. Once Walker is destroyed, America will follow and we’ll all be speaking Russian within a year!

      • No its because Trump is going to be Treasury Secretary *or* Bible Spice is going to Iowa…. *or* India was all out for 224 in the Third Test….

  33. This could work. Yes. Uh huh.

    Fox News: Fire Geithner, Hire Trump!

    There are days where watching Fox News is similar to being thrust into a bad horror movie halfway through. You sort of understand who the monsters are after a few minutes and then something happens so utterly dissonant and incredible that the mood is broken and the viewer left wondering what the heck just happened.

    So it is with Fox News when they pimp really stupid things like the idea of canning Geithner and replacing him with Donald Trump. Ailes must have been in la-la land when he dreamed this meme up. But dream, he did. …

  34. Mark you calendars. 2001 was the beginning of the new feudalism, heralding the 2nd Dark Ages. The election of 2012 will quite likely see a return of the warlords with their staff of religious support. The Inquisition will return and subject our society to theocratic rule providing it doesn’t interfere with profits.

    The good news is that will last about two years at best. With the Jasmine spreading out of the Middle East into Europe the hold of the rich and multinational corps will find widespread resistance. That is the beauty of modern society. The first Dark Ages needed a biological plague to be ended. The new one hasn’t taken into consideration the larger number of disgruntled folks and the availability of information.

    Sociopathic dictator types may be wicked but they totally lack imaginative perception.

  35. The main reason our society is headed for the shitter is we have between 25-50% of our society who cannot comprehend that the reason America is where it was is because of the commitment to the idea that America is a society. We got this far together and there are too many who have benefited from the idea who no longer realize that.

    As John Donne said, “No man is an island.” Sad fact is it will take a major collapse before the rest of America realizes that. We have had it too good for too long and can’t face that it is ended. America was not built by an individual.

    • To a wingnut, it’s ‘between you and me, brother, and fuck you.’

      I have way too many relatives who feel exactly just like that. Our socialist grandfather (an immigrant Swede) would take them out behind the shed and teach them a thing or two.

  36. The Attention Whore needs a fix:

    DES MOINES, Iowa — Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin plans to visit the Iowa State Fair on Friday on the eve of the leadoff caucus state’s GOP presidential straw poll and in the wake of a Republican debate at Iowa State University.

    Palin says in an email to supporters she is resuming her summer bus travels to iconic U.S. destinations with a stop at the fair. The visit to the early voting state comes as most declared Republican presidential candidates will be in Iowa, and as Texas Gov. Rick Perry is expected to enter the race and visit.

    Palin’s visits to Iowa, including one in June and one planned for Sept. 3, have stoked speculation she is eyeing a 2012 presidential bid, although she has done none of the groundwork there others have.

  37. The Republican campaign is such bad theater it is so far off Broadway as to be in Iowa.

  38. Quote of the Day III:

    “Here’s a tip, Whole Foods: there is NOTHING “cosmopolitan” about Islam. In fact, Islam is the antonym to cosmopolitan. Retro is in. Retro back to the year 622 and the values of savages will NEVER be in. Whole Foods . . . For the Organically Conscious Jihadist. Way more humane because, hey, “free range chickens” can run away from the IED. allahu natural fruitbar,” – Debbie Schlussel, angry that Whole Foods promoted its Ramadan selection.

    • To explain it a handful of Saudis blew up a couple of buildings, triggering two wars against countries other than Saudi Arabia. And then we have our Israeli allies who repeatedly resist all UN calls to honor the original commitment they made.

      Therefore Arabs and Muslims are not to be trusted because they expect the West to live up to their commitments or because they take offense that we attack countries that had nothing to do with the attack on the US.

      This is why the Arabs won the Crusades.

    • Didn’t I hear that Whole Foods has now buckled to the pressure? Will they cave if there’s a big hue and cry about them promoting Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas etc?

  39. Another question is, if the Muslims wanted to conquer the world, why haven’t they? I would like to hear of any act of political aggression that has come from the ebil Saracens in the last 1,500 years. Name a country that has been invaded in the name of Allah.

    • In the last 1500 years?

      Everywhere from India to Nigeria to Spain…..

      They stopped in the 1570s or so after laying siege to Vienna and losing at Lepanto.

      So they’ve had a decent crack at it already, actually.

      • Really? And which of those countries or areas are Muslim today? Not India, tho they have a Muslim group, not Nigeria, same can be said, certainly not Spain.

        • Nigeria is half Muslim – major cause of strife in the country (as if Shell and the other Big Oils don’t f*** the place up enough).

          Everywhere north of NIgeria from one side to the other (exception being Darfur and Southern Sudan.

          If you throw in Indonesia and Malaysia which I missed, then you have about 1.5 billion Muslims worldwide.

      • Those efforts were the Ottoman Turks. Their efforts were not in the name of Allah, well, maybe publicly.

    • That would be Iraq and Afghanistan…but it was in the name of the Christian God. Hmm seems to me that his name is Allah, too.

      • Not really. Iraq maybe, years ago. Afghanistan, hardly. When compared, Islam is nowhere near as aggressive militarily as Christianity. If it was, Spain and Sicily would not be part of Christian Europe.

        • Well, it certainly seems like that is what it has turned into, the reason we invaded. After all, the Bush admin never established a real reason (that they shared with the American public).

          And now we have all of these Islamaphobes in this country where, prior to 2001, probably didn’t even know they existed in the world.

  40. Christianity conquered the New World by the might of the Spanish, Portuguese, French and English, all in the name of the Christian God. Which continent was conquered by military might in the name of Allah?

  41. I made the mistake(?) of replying to a right-wing idiocy, and I ended getting this tweet directed at
    me:

    @ Wodego Jack O’Brien
    @WayneASchneider @Waterboarding4U This guy writes political song parodies! If I had a hammer I’d bust your mandolin, freak.

    To which I replied:
    @WayneASchneider Wayne A Schneider
    .@Wodego Thank you for the kind words about my song parodies. I’m sorry, but I don’t play any musical instruments.

    And Freedom Works is now following me on the Twitter, so that should prove interesting.

    And MsJoanne and I are now following each other on the Twitter. Her bio has a link to The Zoo. :)

  42. Oh, and I had an argument with somebody that resulted in this wonderful, insightful comeback:

    @ Waterboarding4U Waterboarding 4 U
    .@WayneASchneider Your an atheist too? Now I’m convinced that you’re a certifiable walking cluster fuck.

    Yeah, that’s what he calls himself.

    • Look on the bright side, Wayne. On the rare occasions that I still engage Reichwhiners they usually call me a “Satan worshiping atheist”. which almost always makes beer come out my nose. Very unpleasant.

  43. Here’s a CNN video of the Florida bad guys that were caught near here earlier today. Turns out they had to drive within a half-block of my abode this morning on their way from a campground in the San Isabel NF just west of here to the intersection with I-25.

    Haven’t been this close to a crook since I lived in Phoenix! Nice to note that all crooks are, apparently, still as stupid as ever. :)

  44. Peter King Calls For Pentagon And CIA To Investigate White House Connection To Bin Laden Movie

    Rep. Peter King (R-NY) has written a letter to the Defense Department and the CIA requesting that they investigate whether the White House leaked classified information to Hurt Locker filmmaker Kathryn Bigelow about the raid that resulted in the death of Osama bin Laden.

    King, who Chairs the Homeland Security Committee, wrote a letter to the Inspectors General at the Department of Defense and CIA in response to a column by New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd. Dowd claimed Saturday that Bigelow and Mark Boal, who are making a movie about the raid on the compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, are “getting top-level access to the most classified mission in history from an administration that has tried to throw more people in jail for leaking classified information than the Bush administration.”

    The film is set to be released on October 12, 2012, and according to Dowd, the Administration hopes it will give Obama a boost right before the election, and is “counting on” it to counter the President’s “growing reputation as ineffectual.” [...]

  45. I’ve run out of adjectives for SaudiFAUX “News” so I’ll just fall back on “extremists”. Despite all odds it seems like they keep doubling down and now it’s tinged with sheer desperation. I don’t think I need to tell anyone that desperate extremists are very dangerous. Between the obvious fact that the debt deal the GOoPers wrote sparked the biggest collapse since, at least, 2008 and the fact that they spent $40 million on state level recalls that resulted in them loosing two solidly Republican seats and the fact that the President is still black has turned them into parodies of themselves. And, since they were already mere caricatures of rational human beings? The results are quite hilarious if one can maintain a little perspective. In fact, I can’t even pick a favorite from today’s wailing and gnashing of teeth so I’ll just post the link to MMTV.

    http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/

  46. Awesome. Y’all had great discussions today.

    I’m sorry I missed them, but am happy I was able to read through them.

    You guys are the bestest. :)

  47. .
    Nebraska Attorney General and GOP Senate candidate Jon Bruning caused a stir this week when he compared welfare recipients to raccoons scavenging for insects. According to an aide, he’s since realized he may not have picked the best metaphor for the poor.

      • “he may not have picked the best metaphor for the poor.”

        America now ranks 75th in the world in appropriate metaphor use, placing it just above Albania, thanks to massive Republican cuts in metaphor education and the off-shoring of metaphors to India.

        How about not using metaphors at all and instead using actual descriptions of the actual subject matter? .

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