The Watering Hole: August 30th – Failing to prepare…

… is preparing to fail.

Noone knows yet for sure who is going to run against President Obama in the next elections, but the field of contenders seems to be solidifying. Maybe Sarah Palin will try and have a go for it after all, I highly doubt it but with her you never know, but I seriously cannot see any viable contender coming in besides the ones that are already campaigning. Any Republican politician (especially a young one) worth his salt will be discouraged by the general drift to the right fringe the Republican Party is experiencing now, due to tea party activism. Anybody electable by moderates or even right leaning democrats would face defeat in the primaries and just add this defeat to his or her credentials. Why not wait it out for another four years? At least that’s what I would consider doing. Nevermind anyway, because the Tea Party has produced a couple of fringe pushover candidates that should be easily beat by Obama, even if he is right now at a dismally low approval rate.

But is it highly dangerous to underestimate the probability that one of the Republican fringe candidates could be winning the presidency. Frank Rich from the New York Times could tell you this. In February 2000 he wrote:

Why would Mr. Bush’s campaign move so far to the right? It’s the same thinking — that you can pander to a right-wing base and hope centrist voters suffer amnesia on Election Day — that led the G.O.P. to defeats not only in ’96 but in ’98. (…)But Democrats who are worrying about the prospect of a race against Mr. McCain shouldn’t lose sleep yet. The same G.O.P. minds that blew it in ’96 and ’98 are doing everything possible to shore up Mr. Bush.

In the end Democrats didn’t need to worry about John McCain as a candidate, but got Boy George instead. A pushover, if there ever was one, for someone of Al Gore’s political clout.

Now, after 9/11 and two devastating wars, after the incredible destruction of New Orleans by Katrina, after the economic crisis of 2008, the meltdown of American society, still, we are not taking what is going on seriously. The Washington Post reports, still talking about the primaries, of course:

A Perry victory would cement the Republican Party’s shift away from Bush’s approach to a more libertarian, anti-government GOP. This is cause for worry among some in the party, particularly those with ties to Bush.

While not addressing Perry specifically, Mark McKinnon, who was a top aide in both of Bush’s presidential campaigns, cautioned that his party would have trouble winning if it moved too far right.


The Free Republic says it out loud. Obama is the “Accidental President”

The famous Occam’s razor principle states that the simplest explanation is the most plausible one. Applying it to dispel the fog of propaganda, it becomes glaringly obvious that Obama is an accidental president, a lazy and indecisive incompetent devoid of any ability or desire to perform the job to which he was elected by a gullible majority, who loves the perks but hates the duties of his office; who loves to play but hates to work. Have a good look at the man occupying the White House: what you see is what you get. The Emperor has no clothes.

And, about people like you and me..

The smart set living in an echo-chamber that reinforces their conventional wisdom have eagerly embraced this article of faith because in their world to question Obama’s ability is to commit the deadly sin of racism.

..see, racism argument nicely defused. Hey, here’s an argument even that Americans are definitely NOT racist:

Ironically, proving America is completely the opposite of the evil racist country they relentlessly accuse her of being, progressives used America’s goodness, guilt and sense of fair play against her. In their quest to destroy America as we know it, progressives borrowed a brilliant scheme from Greek mythology. They offered America a modern day Trojan Horse, a beautifully crafted golden shiny new black man as a presidential candidate. Democrat Joe Biden lorded Obama as the first clean and articulate African American candidate. Democrat Harry Reid said Obama only uses a black dialect when he wants.

I spare you more of this blatant passive aggressive racism.

The point I am trying to make is: There are a great many Americans out there, who were convinced a black man in the White House would never happen. They relied on a silent majority and wouldn’t go out to vote last time. On the other hand progressive and moderate voters were fired up and very enthusiastic of getting rid of the dismal Bush years and were in fact voting in higher numbers than usual, count in the Latino and the African American vote, as well. Now the pendulum is about to swing back. The historical mistake of electing Obama needs to be corrected and, count on it, the right wing voters will be out in droves. Meanwhile on our side the disenchantment works its destructive ways. People will stay at home, there is no enthusiasm. And it is, of course, all Obama’s fault. Had he only!..Why hasn’t he?..Didn’t he promise?..

Good thing we can rely on the silent majority and need not go out to vote, because Michelle Bachmann or Rick Perry in the White House won’t ever happen.

Well, if progressive and moderate voters are planning on relying on others and indulge in self-pity, pouting and sulking, your next President may well be Rick Perry or, Republicans can make history, too, Michelle Bachman.

This is our open thread, don’t hesitate to correct me or tell me “What do you know?” or just chat about anything else, that’s on your mind. 

97 thoughts on “The Watering Hole: August 30th – Failing to prepare…

  1. EV, where you say
    The New Republic says it out loud. Obama is the “Accidental President”
    that should read ‘Free Republic’.

    • Thanks, I am changing it. Somehow I couldn’t get out of reading the dribble fast enough. I felt unclean after the read. I was guilty of many disrespectful comments when it came to George W. Bush, but I sincerely hope I have never been as mean spirited as the writers at Free Republic and the other one I quoted.

      • Funny thing, Free Republic still looks just as amateurish today as it did on its earliest days. They really are conservative. They use as little html as possible!

        • Looks amateurish, could it be it looks like that on purpose? Because the readership likes the cosy old knowns and hates changes. Ok I’m being stupid today, but that may come from looking at their garbage.

      • The writers there, critical of Obama, have based their criticisms on what?
        They have accused Obama of being George Bush-like, knowing that as time passes, Dumbya’s reputation will become a little foggy in the minds of Americans — particularly as the GOP continues to sugar-coat his lies and mistakes and cowboy attitude, while seeking to criticize Obama for anything they can manufacture.
        Obama’s accomplishments have been overshadowed in the news by the media failure to report while giving the GOP/teabaggers full coverage.

        • To answer your question, about the basis of their criticisms (in no particular order):

          1) He’s a Democrat
          2) It’s payback for all the flack Bush took (they don’t realize that it was deserved)
          3) He’s black.

    • Okay that makes more sense. I couldn’t imagine the New Republic going that far against Obama.

      Free Republic on the other hand…

      (Notice they use the racially charged word of “lazy” to describing a president who is clearly not lazy.)

    • They already have a pipeline to two refineries in Illinois, and oil storage facilities in Cushing, Oklahoma. I could see just building the Cushing to Houston line, to relieve the bottleneck at Cushing, and not building the Hardisty to Steele City line, the one that has to cross the Ogalala Aquifer in Nebraska. I wonder if there is any way to do just that much?

      The TransCanada interactive map shows the capacities of the various line phases. I think the important point here is that the statistic is not how much oil the pipeline can carry, but how much oil can be utilized along the way.

  2. It’s 59 degrees here in the Valley. That’s the first time we’ve dropped below 60 since back in the spring. The high is supposed to be 94 today, and that wide a swing means it’s going to be really low humidity today.

  3. Good morning!

    And in other news, God did not send a hurricane to strike the East Coast today, making a clear statement The Almighty is ok with the Gays in Washington D.C.

  4. The American electorate’s near majority is, these days, any combination (including all) of the following:

    Afraid of _______
    Shallow thinking
    Non thinking
    Short attention span
    Intellectually challenged
    Marginally literate
    Anti LGBT
    Subtly Racist
    Blatantly Racist
    Mean spirited
    Anti tax
    Gun freak
    Anti environmentalism
    Anti science
    Anti education
    Country Music afficianodos

    The last on the list is, of course, the final reflection of all that precedes. The job of a Republican candidate to any office, President included, is to appeal to as many of the above as possible. Rick Perry would score a perfect 23, Michele Bachmann, Ron Paul, Rick Santorum, et al. not far behind. Romney and Huntsman fall off the wagon because to a “Christian” neither of them are “Christian”, they’re Mormons. Their chances are, therefore, nil.

    Reverse completely each item on the list and the path to a functioning and generous society clarifies. The extreme unlikeliness of that ever happening is, however, a major cause for great concern.

  5. “a lazy and indecisive incompetent devoid of any ability or desire to perform the job to which he was elected by a gullible majority, who loves the perks but hates the duties of his office; who loves to play but hates to work”

    That is one gigantic dog whistle isn’t it? Republicans believe we think like they do and so we’d fall for shameless propaganda the way they do. And the hilarity of them accusing us of voting for Obama because of our “white guilt” when they would happily enslave every one of color without feeling the least bit guilty. I could spit.

    • It’s not only a racist dog whistle, Shayne, it quite accurately describes their puppet GWB.

      Anyone who pays attention for a couple days know that Obama enjoys the job and DOES the job, but the FR know the freepers only pay attention to what FR tells them. No thinking required.

  6. Somebody check the Eric Cantor thread at TP and tell me if you can see my comment? It’s there, until I change the sort to chronological, then it disappears.

    I hate it for them, but three months later, their ‘superior’ comment system still has flaws. If this was normal on a lot of blogs, I could accept it, but too many blogs are getting it done better. I think their traffic could have been improved without giving up Disqus.

      • Thanks Shayne. I’ve had several comments get ‘liked’ today, so I know some of them are visible. I’m using Hotmail to log in, and it’s sort of working. I have to compose on a notepad page, then copy and paste to the comment box.

        That thread shows 16 comments and with mine there are 17. That’s the tipoff that I’m not visible sometimes.

        • HoR
          I have experienced the same. When the comments are listed “socially” I see it, but when I put them chronologically, I sometimes lose them.
          I really hate Facebook — for more reasons than one.

    • I still don’t comment there. It’s too much of a hassle. One slip up and it goes straight to my FB page. No thanks since the trolls are probably still lurking.

      • Shayne, if you’re interested, you can change your account preferences, notifications, friends, etc. to prevent that.
        I have virtually nothing on my “page” and I am strictly limited to friends only.
        Also, I changed my url log in to https:// — the log with that little “s” at the end is more secure.
        Like you, I am very wary of FB.

      • I don’t comment either. I don’t have FB but my daughter does and I don’t want to accidently post with her account. It takes a long time to open firefox and then log into yahoo and post that way. Too much of a hassle.

        It hasn’t gotten rid of the trolls.

  7. Remembering Why We Loathe Dick Cheney

    He ends with this:

    “Dick Cheney was a self-aggrandizing criminal who used his knowledge as a Washington insider to subvert both informed public debate about matters of war and peace and to manipulate presidential decisionmaking, sometimes in ways that angered even George W. Bush.

    After his early years of public service, he capitalized on connections he made while being paid by taxpayers to earn tens of millions of dollars presiding over Halliburton. While there, he did business with corrupt Arab autocrats, including some in countries that were enemies of the United States. Upon returning to government, he advanced a theory of the executive that is at odds with the intentions of the founders, successfully encouraged the federal government to illegally spy on innocent Americans, passed on to the public false information about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and became directly complicit in a regime of torture for which he should be in jail.

    Thus his unpopularity circa 2008, when he left office.

    Good riddance.”

    Pretty scathing, and spot on. He didn’t include the Valerie Plame/Joe Wilson debacle (I fully believe Cheney was behind the outing of Valerie Plame in retaliation for Joe Wilson’s going to the press with the truth about Niger. It was so Cheney..), nor did he include the secret energy meeting at the start of the Bush/Cheney first term (where all the energy companies were divvying up all the oil fields in Iraq.. Before we even WENT to Iraq. In fact, BEFORE 9/11). I guess he had to just hit the main points.

    The documents, from those meetings, showing the maps of Iraq divvied up used to be up at Judicial Watch. They aren’t there any more.

    OOPS! Found them!

      • The Hague operates under International Law. One does not get sent to The Hague as long as one’s country grants asylum, unless one is subjected to “extreme rendition.”

        There are countries that ascribe to the notion of Universal Jurisdiction in areas of international crimes such as torture and war crimes. But, generally speaking, a single “no” vote prevents someone from being brought to an international war crimes tribunal. There is a reason why one of the first things Bush did was to remove us from the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court.

        And, Rule of Law is not broken in this country, it is just relegated a secondary position to the Rule of Wealth.

        • Oh, and “we only waterboarded two or three people..”

          He is admitting to committing war crimes on The Today Show.. “We only waterboarded 2 – 3 people”, but one of those people we waterboarded 183 times!? WHY don’t they snatch this guy up and send him to The Hague??

          And he thinks Scooter Libby was treated badly??

          The former Vice President also expressed how he is still bothered by President Bush’s decision to not pardon Scooter Libby, the former Vice President’s Chief of Staff who outed the identify of ex-CIA agent Valerie Plame.
          “Scooter was treated unfairly,” he said. “I really think he was badly treated. He deserved a pardon. The President disagreed, he got to make the decision, and it’s one we still disagree with.”

          Didn’t he think Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson were treated badly? Poor Scooter. Poor Dick..

          • And the media is just letting this all go by….. the only platform this man deserves is one with a rope dangling from it. He should be occupying the room next to his soulmate Ratko Mladic in the Hague.

      • If the Left had some HINGED nutters in the proper position to get things done, Bush, Cheney, Rummy, and probably others would be either in The Hague, prison, or the cemetery. Any one would suit me just fine, but the fact that they’re still free to run around and toot their hollow horns really pisses me off!

    • Found this on Thom Hartmann’s Ustream Chat

      Democracy Now Part One
      Democracy Now Part Two

      Democracy Now! speaks to Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief-of-staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell. “This is a book written out of fear — fear that one day someone will ‘Pinochet’ Dick Cheney,” says Wilkerson, alluding to the former Chilean dictator, Augusto Pinochet, who was arrested for war crimes. Wilkerson also calls for George W. Bush and Cheney to be held accountable for their crimes in office. “I would be willing to testify and I would be willing to take any punishment I am due,” Wilkerson said.

      • From this same interview, Glenn Greenwald says this:

        “Joining Wilkerson and Goodman to discuss Cheney’s new book “In My Time,” Salon’s Glenn Greenwald said that it was disturbing to see the former vice president treated simply as an “elder statesman.”
        “The evidence is overwhelming… that Dick Cheney is not just a political figure with controversial views, but is an actual criminal, that he was centrally involved in a whole variety not just of war crimes in Iraq, but of domestic crimes, as well, including the authorization of warrantless eavesdropping on American citizens in violation of FISA, which says that you go to jail for five years for each offense, as well as the authorization and implementation of a worldwide torture regime that, according to General Barry McCaffrey, resulted in the murder — his word — of dozens of detainees, far beyond just the three or four cases of waterboarding that media figures typically ask Cheney about,” Greenwald explained.

        “And as a result, Dick Cheney goes around the country profiting off of this, you know, sleazy, sensationalistic, self-serving book, basically profiting from his crimes, and at the same time normalizing the idea that these kind of policies, though maybe in the view of some wrongheaded, are perfectly legitimate political choices to make. And I think that’s the really damaging legacy from all of this.”

  8. Thom Hartmann is broadcasting today from radio row at the National Clean Energy Summit 4.0 in Las Vegas, NV. Should be an interesting show. You never know who will drop by to get on the radio.

  9. Whew! I feel better now…

    Never-fail prediction system shows 2012 win for Obama

    American University professor Allan Lichtman is on a winning streak spanning nearly three decades — one that President Barack Obama might have an interest in seeing Lichtman extend.

    “Even if I am being conservative, I don’t see how Obama can lose,” Lichtman said.

    His model, described in his book The Keys to the White House, relies on 13 “keys” that gauge the performance of the sitting president’s party. If six or more of these aspects are in the party’s favor, the candidate they present will win.

    Nine of the keys fall in Obama’s favor, Lichtman said — more than enough for reelection.

    • Awesome, everyone take next summer off – Barry’s got it locked up. Now that he’s sold out to Wall Street, they’ll buy him the next election. Was that one of the 13 keys?

      The keys:
      1. Sell out to the Wall Street banks – check – campaign cash rolls in
      2. Sell out to Big OIl on the pipeline, drilling etc – check – ccampaign cash rolls in
      3. Sell out to insurance companies on health – check – campaign cash rolls in

      etc etc,

  10. It’s especially ironic that the Reichwhiners are harping on President Obama’s “laziness”, at this point in time, when he’s been coordinating the efforts to deal with Irene. The contrast to the Bush Administration’s handling of Katrina is just so apparent that they have to clutch at straws and knock down straw men.

    It’s also rather telling that SaudiFAUX “News” has chosen this moment in history to double-down, again, on their denial of global warming. The very same people who claim that snow in January “proves global warming is a hoax” are simply terrified that some of the victims of Irene might see the sense in the predictions of more severe weather as the earth heats up. Eric Bolling, with his constant whining about “climategate”, seems too be leading the charge for this round.

    • They are developing a meme to portray Obama as lazy and do-nothing — it follows with their subtle racist slurs about him — some not so subtle.
      They need to elevate their own inadequate candidates but they have nothing to work with, so they must downgrade Obama any way they can — this one is particularly offensive and ridiculous, but they have no bounds on what they will try to do.

  11. I like the fact that Darth Dick is out there promoting his neoconservative wingnutiness in all its glory. Just in case you miss the good ol’ days of Dubya and wish he had the reins, along comes Dick to remind us how unhinged that crew really was. Dick really is Dr. Strangelove but without the accent.

  12. In other news…Sinead O’Connor is desperate for some sex and requires that any suitor travels up brown road, ifyaknowwhatImean.

  13. More Michele Memoir monikers:



    Only One “L”, Dammit!

    Eyes Wide Shut

    Reading Is Not Fundamentalist

    Crazy For Celery

    Even More Undefeateder

    Eyes Crazy

  14. The likelihood of this happening was SO predictable. Note to Monsanto: It’s not NICE to fuck with Mother Nature!

    Monsanto Corn Plant Losing Bug Resistance

    Widely grown corn plants that Monsanto Co. genetically modified to thwart a voracious bug are falling prey to that very pest in a few Iowa fields, the first time a major Midwest scourge has developed resistance to a genetically modified crop.

    The discovery raises concerns that the way some farmers are using biotech crops could spawn superbugs.

    Iowa State University entomologist Aaron Gassmann’s discovery that western corn rootworms in four northeast Iowa fields have evolved to resist the natural pesticide made by Monsanto’s corn plant could encourage some farmers to switch to insect-proof seeds sold by competitors of the St. Louis crop biotechnology giant, and to return to spraying harsher synthetic insecticides on their fields.


    Monsanto fail: GMO crops are losing their pest control powers

    Monsanto crops bred to thwart western corn rootworms, which love eating corn roots, are no longer are doing their job. The rootworms developed a resistance to the natural pesticide the crops produced and are chowing down.

    The alternatives for farmers: buy other genetically modified seeds (which will totally work forever!); spray nastier insecticides; abandon the economic model of monoculture and GMO crops. Guess which one’s going to happen. Maybe which two out of three.

    Scientists are already working on a new way to make buggies regret they ever thought for a second about eating corn: it’s called RNA interference, and it builds genetic code into plants that turns off essential genes of any bugs that eat it. At least, we hope it only applies to bugs.

    ‘Hope it only applies to bugs’ indeed. I suppose that if Monsanto were to build an RNA interference capability into, say, McDonald’s hamburgers, I could live with that (sotospeak). But corn? Real FOOD? NO!

    I’m about ready to say that I think Monsanto needs to be nationalized, broken into a thousand pieces, and done away with once and for all. And in the process, rid the planet of this insidious genetic modification of anything, but particularly of food crop plants.

    • Wow, that was some Intelligent Design there Sky-Fairy – to forsee the rise of a ‘life-form’ called Monsanto which would create a genetically modified corn, which you oh Sky-Fairy anticipated with your hardy new bug, which has been waiting four billion years (sorry 4,500 years) to show itself…..

    • .
      The least qualified to give a relevant opinion/criticism.
      Then again, he was a horse ass trainer/trader before becoming the incompetent FEMA f..k-up!

      (cronyism just doesn’t pay)

  15. Great Moments in Political Punditry:

    From Dan Savage, of course:

    “Tuesday marked a week and a day since the Associated Press published the controversial remarks of Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Penn., in which he seemed to equate gay sex with incest and possibly even bestiality. It was the fourth day since President Bush said, through a spokesman, that Santorum was an “inclusive man” who was “doing a good job as senator—including in his leadership post.” (Santorum is the No. 3 in the Senate GOP.) And it was the day Santorum himself was enthusiastically welcomed at a Senate GOP lunch, after which Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee declared him to have “the full, 100 percent confidence of the Republican leadership in the United States Senate.”

    And with that, the furor seems all but over,” –Jake Tapper, in a 2003 Salon piece entitled “Santorum’s One-Week Scandal.”

  16. From Rasmussen:

    “Considered a positive political label by 29%, 43% now think Tea Party is a negative description for a candidate. That’s a net rating of negative 14, making it the worst thing you can call a candidate.”

  17. Sorry if this is redundant. I’ve been out in the field or in meetings all day and a cursory scan of the comments didn’t turn it up:

    Christine O’Donnell, back in the news this month promoting her new book, is no longer welcome at a Tea Party event with Sarah Palin this weekend.

    This is my favorite part:

    But the magic seems to have faded after her defeat as her much-hyped book has only sold about 2,000 copies.

  18. I just read that Nancy Grace will be a contestant on Dancing With the Stars, and I just wanted to say to her, “Break a leg!” Srsly Nancy, break a leg.

  19. Have we ‘rolled up the sidewalks’ already? This place is about as lively as Scottsboro, Alabama after 5pm on a weekday! ;D

    • The poor things just can’t understand that only the offended party can decide whether they are offended. Generally, that means one should refrain from using a word for a person that said person wouldn’t use themselves.

      For instance. If I didn’t wish to offend Glen Beck I would describe him as a conservative Mormon radio host. However, since I will gladly take any opportunity to offend Beckyboy, I call him a vile fuckwit who belongs to a crazy cult.

      • .
        Becky – try this line “Hey boy. I’m talking to you.”
        You’ll have a very positive response – honestly – give it a try – especially at a rally honoring Martin Luther King/

  20. I just finished watching a DVD that I found on the shelf. Outfoxed. Have no idea where it came from, where we got it; on loan from someone, probably. In any case, it was well worth the watch. It was apparently at least in part financed by and Citizens for American Progress back in 2004, and it proved to be a VERY nice and able putdown of Murdoch and Fox even as it exposed the immense chicanery that is Fox’s hallmark. There wasn’t really anything I hadn’t already figured out on my own, but it was refreshing to watch Fox splayed for all to see. Has anyone else here seen it? If not, I recommend it if for no other reason than to watch Fox get the shaft they so richly deserve.

    • And I would be willing to bet that 100% of them blabber about the Constitution. Holding an elected office, especially for Reichwhiners, demands a certain level of doublethink.

    • The teapottiers will say that was then this is now – and now he jabbers Jesus and god in nearly every sentence. That’s all the teaers need to see.

  21. OH—DEAR—GOD…..

    These people have NO shame!!!! It is out and out propagandizing of very young children. It is just sick and disgusting.

    A 9/11 coloring book has emerged on the brink of the tenth anniversary of the attack on the World Trade Center. It is entitled “We Shall Never Forget 9/11: The Kids’ Book of Freedom,” and was published by Missouri-based Really Big Coloring Books.

    The color book begins with Osama bin Laden plotting to attack the United States and ends with bin Laden being shot by a Navy SEAL. A spokesperson for the publisher said that seeing bin Laden get shot “provides closure” for children.


    “One page of the coloring book states: “Children, the truth is, these terrorist acts were done by freedom-hating Islamic Muslim extremists. These crazy people hate the American way of life because we are FREE and our society is FREE.”
    The publisher said the book is a factual tool to teach children about the terrorists attacks.”

    Like the guy in the video (Dawud Walid, Michigan representative for the Council on American Islamic Relations) is quoted as saying, “it portrays all Muslims as radicals, when indeed American Muslims had nothing to do with 9/11, and they were victims as well as first responders on that day”.

    Apparently, the coloring book is selling very well in Michigan.

    • Next it will be the ‘Remember the Alamo’ coloring book to teach the kids to hate Mexicans. Don’t put it past them!

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