The Watering Hole: Wednesday, September 21, 2011: Hump Day

“Thank you Sir! May I have another?”

This seems to be the political discourse these days; Republicans are holding the whip and Obama is their favorite whipping boy.

While the majority of Americans overwhelmingly do not want to go with the dictates of the TeaParty Republicans, the Teabaggers are running Washington. Instead of playing to his base, Obama cows down, time after time, to the most extreme demands of the Teabaggers. He’s playing to the evangelical christian base of the Republican Party, a base which he can never appease.

This author has one question: WHY?

Perhaps The Family has grown so powerful behind the scenes that no one, not even the President of the United States, dare challenge it.

One thing is certain, the Teabaggers stand ready, willing, and able to destroy this country, and will do so, unless they get thier way. So far, no one is willing to call their bet; no one knows if they will blink, because Obama always blinks first.

It’s time for Obama to take the whip.

This is our Open Thread, so flail away.

282 thoughts on “The Watering Hole: Wednesday, September 21, 2011: Hump Day

  1. Let’s hope that as the election cycle nears, Obama the President is forced to become Obama the Candidate, in actions more than in words.

    • It’s not necessarily the teacher’s unions, but the teaching to a test that bugs the crap out of me. Which test do you teach to, and why not teach critical thinking, problem solving and other skills that will allow a student to pass any test?

  2. Two Americans are freed by Iran. Judging by the silence I would guess that the Reichwhiners are still trying to decide how to spin it. Will they claim…

    1. A real American in the White House would have gotten them out earlier?
    2. Obviously they were released because Obama gave them nuclear bomb technology?

    • They are on the way to Oman – that’s when the MSM will pick it up and twist the bejeesus out of the story!

      The release came just minutes before President Barack Obama addressed the U.N. General Assembly. There was no direct evidence that Iran timed the American’s freedom to overshadow Obama’s speech, but Iran has conducted international political stagecraft in the past.

      Most famously, Iran waited until just moments after Ronald Reagan’s presidential inaugurationin January 1981 to free 52 American hostages held for 444 days at the former U.S. Embassy after it was stormed by militants backing Iran’s Islamic Revolution. The timing was seen as a way to embarrass ex-President Jimmy Carter for his backing of Iran’s former monarch.

    • Troy Davis:
      He’s black. What difference does it make if he’s innocent or guilty? He’s black. Why should anyone care what happens to the bugger? He’s black. He’s obviously not one of us, cause we be white. Amurkans. He’s black.

      Etc. etc. etc. The beat goes on. Hate-based fascism slowly rises to the top. Where has this happened before?

      Achtung. Javohl.

    • It just blows me away that nearly all the ‘eyewitnesses’ to a 1AM parking lot shooting have recanted or altered their testimony, the ONLY basis for the conviction, since there was no weapon found, no dna, nada, and yet the courts just whistle past the graveyard they’re about to send this person to.
      I guess I should have expected them to dress him up in cheap armor and have him fight hungry lions.

  3. Air Canada has a temporary agreement with the flight attendants union so our trip is a GO!!!!!!!!

    They won’t say what the agreement is until it gets voted on in 3 weeks. Hopefully the union didn’t have to make too many concessions – again.

    No one wants to have anxiety over whether or not a vacation gets cancelled. Thankfully that anxiety has been lifted. Berlin, here we come!

  4. How weird are GOoPers? In this story; Batscat Bachmann tells the workers at a company that makes traffic lights that she will shrink government so that said company can “grow, grow, grow, grow, grow”. But, wait a minute, as much as 80% of their business comes from government infrastructure payments. That’s not the weird part. The weird part is that the CEO of the company seems reluctant to recognize the fact that Bachmann’s vision of “small government” would most likely kill his company. Methinks that Mr. Yost is a fundy who really, really, wants the black guy out of the White House and he’s so eager to make that happen that he will support a candidate who would destroy his business. The sad part is that a great many of the workers probably “think” the same way.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/19/nation/la-na-0920-bachmann-iowa-20110920

    • So let me get this right – the traffic lights and the solar powered bus stops this company makes compete for state and federal government infrastructure and mass-transit projects.

      Bachman swans in and says that by stopping the spending (on those infrastructure projects) will help this company “grow, grow, grow”.

      In what f***ing universe?

      Pop quiz – what private interest build the highway system, what private interest built the electrical grid?

      Black’s white, up is down, the earth is flat and the sun revolves around Michele Bachmann’s idiocy.

    • You’ve got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know… morons.

      • A strong candidate for funniest movie ever made. With each passing day I am more convinced that much of the dysfunction in this country can be summed up by another line.

        “Can’t you see this man is a ni…”?

        • And the scene around the fire with the fat man saying “We will give some land to land the niggers and the chinks but we don’t want the Irish.”

          Mel Brooks is one of the greatest satirists of all time. Ranks right up there with Mark Twain.

          • I find he is just a bit too corny for my taste – HoTWp1 goes on 30 mins longer than it needed to and hey what about ‘part 2’? (tongue in cheek)

            • Mel Brroks said that he called HotW Part ! just so he could pretend to have a sequel, and use that as an excuse for the “Jews In Space” bit. That’s the only reason it was called “Part 1”. There was never going to be a Part 2.

            • I sort of figured that out….. but of course that didn’t stop the speculation as to what could have been in part 2….

          • Indeed. Many, many, years ago I saw an interview with Mel Brooks and the interviewer was deriding the “fart jokes” and “low brow humor”. Mel said; “If you think it’s low brow you are probably one of the people we’re making fun of”.

            Of course, we also have to give a lot of credit to Gene Wilder who actually wrote much of blazing Saddles and virtually all of Young Frankenstein. Mel’s true genius might be in encouraging and saving a whole lot of ad libs by actors/comedians who were brilliant satirists in their own right.

          • I will NEVER forget sitting in the theater watching “Blazing Saddles”.. One of the funniest movies I ever saw. Mostly because I had no idea what it was about before I saw it.

        • Blazing Saddles, Animal House, Caddy Shack and Young Frankenstein have a four way tie for first place in the Best Comedy (color era) category. If you add in the B&W films, it gets a lot tougher.

          • Part of the complication is because the early B&W comedies were mostly shorts instead of feature length films. It’s a lot easier to maintain a bit for 20 minutes than it is to spread the bits over 90 minutes.

            Personally, I won’t commit to naming a favorite because my tastes change with my mood. Any list would have to include British comedies. The first couple “Pink Panther” films, Monty Python films, and the old “Carry on…” movies are very high on the chart.

            • My favorite B&W schtick? “Who’s on First?” My favorite B&W comedic actor? Cary Grant. My favorite comedic actress? Lots tougher but Ginger Rogers nudges Kate by just teensy bit.

          • Young Frankenstein was in B&W. Brooks did a brilliant job parodying the genre of monster movies. Even got to use one of the original sets with all the Dr. Frankenstein lab equipment. It was sitting around gathering dust, so they let him use it. One of my favorite movies of all time, so…

            “I sug-gest you put on a tie!

    • And just think, after her tour of the meat packing plant where she couldn’t muss the do with a hair net (a basic requirement in any food handling plant) Americans get to look forward to Shelly hair in their beef!

      I sincerely hope she didn’t touch any of those sides of beef. No telling where her hands have been.

      • That puzzled me – looking at her in there without a protective coat or hair net.

        Then my thought turned to: she’s stated if elected President all Government rules and regulations would be abolished…
        problem solved/

    • First clue: company name is OMJC, which is an abbreviation for Oh My Jesus Cried or some such shit.The fundie CEO isn’t going to say anything in the public that would be critical of fundie Batshit.

  5. TP is getting ridiculous. Just had an obnoxious survey pop up while reading responses. How likely will you be to shop at Ikea in the next 6 months? Since “I wouldn’t shop at Ikea for a fire extinguisher if my ass was on fire” wasn’t one of the choices I just closed it.

    • TP has no Yahoo or Hotmail comments today. I got an ‘Oops’ message when I tried early this morning using Hotmail. I haven’t seen a survey yet.

    • I sporadically check TP’s RSS feed using a Firefox application called Sage. No ads, surveys, or other annoyances. I also don’t have to give their main page any hits and only open the individual stories if I want to copy the URL.

      Just to be clear, I’ve never been dissatisfied with their reporting. It’s their selling out that bugs me. I understand what they did and why they did it but I think they’ve lost a good deal of credibility because they have included inane pop-culture stuff. We didn’t really need another HuffPo.

    • I can’t recall when it was the last time I read responses over there. Now I just skim the headlines and come over here when I want to comment on something.

  6. Oh I got another couple of captions for yesterday’s Michele Bachmann photo op:

    “So which one of these should I pardon?”

    “Sarah got turkeys *and* they were still alive during her photo op – WTF?”

  7. There’s a nice piece on Elizabeth Warren over at Washington Monthly. She’s even cooler than I thought. I may have to move to Massachusetts. I love her “nobody out there got rich on his own” riff. Go Warren!

    • Actually, I think the average Joe does better for himself when there are no rich around to soak up his winnings. I’ve known, in my life, a handful of rich dudes, but never met one that was worth the powder to blow him to hell when it came to making the local society more sound, more productive. All they ever did was live in a huge house and drive new cars. What good are they, I wondered.

      I still wonder that.

      • I have to laugh at these rich fools who think that having a gun and a pile of gold will enable them to survive a real collapse of society. Personally, I can live off the land pretty well. I’ve done it before. If worst came to worst I know exactly where I would go and not another human being would even know I was there. I’m not looking forward to wearing skins and hunting, trapping, gathering, and fishing to survive but I can guarantee that I would last longer than one of the freaks could last if their local supermarket closed down.

  8. Breaking News Alert
    The New York Times
    Wednesday, September 21, 2011 — 2:40 PM EDT
    —–

    Fed Moves on Long-Term Rates to Spur Growth

    The Federal Reserve announced a new plan Wednesday to stimulate growth by purchasing $400 billion in long-term Treasury securities with proceeds from the sale of short-term government debt, defying Republican demands to refrain from new actions.

    In extending its campaign of novel efforts to shake the economy from its torpor, the Fed said that it was responding to evidence that there is a clear need for help.

    “Growth remains slow. Recent indicators point to continuing weakness in overall labor market conditions and the unemployment rate remains elevated,” the Fed said in a statement that listed its reasons for worry about the anemic condition of the American economy.

    Read More:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/22/business/fed-to-shift-400-billion-in-holdings-to-spur-growth.html?emc=na

    So the Fed defies Republican demands that they do nothing lest the economy might improve? Gee, how rotten and subversive of them to do something that just might keep the pubies from gaining full control in 2012. Why does the Fed hate America, I wonder?

  9. Quote of the Day:

    “There is still time, Sean [Hannity], and I think on both sides of the aisle you’re going to see people coming and going from this race…In the Republican race, in this primary, I think people are still going to be coming and going because there is still time. And I’m still one of those still considering the time factor,” – Sarah Palin.

  10. “I think on both sides of the aisle you’re going to see people coming and going from this race”
    ???
    WTF? Is she really that stupid? Does she take stupid supplements to get that dumb?

  11. Ok, may sound macho or sexist or whatever but Shelly and Sarah (and a few others) are poster children for the male idea that women really shouldn’t be let out of the kitchen. I am sooooo glad that the women of the Zoo totally contradict their insanity and reaffirm my belief that humanity is salvageable. Women who are women, rational, intelligent, caring and witty and men who try real hard to do the same.

  12. Looks like Eric and company are lining up to hold the country hostage yet again. No jobs bills, just extortion. The Al Capone School of Gubmint.

  13. Full Text: Republicans’ Letter to Bernanke Questioning More Fed Action

    The top four congressional Republicans sent the following letter to Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke Monday ahead of the central bank’s two-day meeting that began today:

    Dear Chairman Bernanke,

    It is our understanding that the Board Members of the Federal Reserve will meet later this week to consider additional monetary stimulus proposals. We write to express our reservations about any such measures. Respectfully, we submit that the board should resist further extraordinary intervention in the U.S. economy, particularly without a clear articulation of the goals of such a policy, direction for success, ample data proving a case for economic action and quantifiable benefits to the American people.

    It is not clear that the recent round of quantitative easing undertaken by the Federal Reserve has facilitated economic growth or reduced the unemployment rate. To the contrary, there has been significant concern expressed by Federal Reserve Board Members, academics, business leaders, Members of Congress and the public. Although the goal of quantitative easing was, in part, to stabilize the price level against deflationary fears, the Federal Reserve’s actions have likely led to more fluctuations and uncertainty in our already weak economy.

    We have serious concerns that further intervention by the Federal Reserve could exacerbate current problems or further harm the U.S. economy. Such steps may erode the already weakened U.S. dollar or promote more borrowing by overleveraged consumers. To date, we have seen no evidence that further monetary stimulus will create jobs or provide a sustainable path towards economic recovery.

    Ultimately, the American economy is driven by the confidence of consumers and investors and the innovations of its workers. The American people have reason to be skeptical of the Federal Reserve vastly increasing its role in the economy if measurable outcomes cannot be demonstrated.

    We respectfully request that a copy of this letter be shared with each Member of the Board.

    Sincerely,

    Sen. Mitch McConnell, Rep. John Boehner, Sen. Jon Kyl, Rep. Eric Cantor

    • Ultimately, the American economy is driven by the confidence of consumers and investors and the innovations of its workers.

      So true. How about we do something about making more Americans workers? At a decent wage so they can once again become consumers above the level of WalMart crap.

  14. I wouldn’t trust those silly bints, Sarah and Shelly, in my kitchen. As a former restaurant manager, lover of fantastic food, and acclaimed chef in my own right I have found that being a good cook depends on skills that neither of them display. Curiosity, imagination, intelligence, scientific acumen, and a desire to explore new things are required to excel in the kitchen. The “Moron Sisters” might be able to microwave a TV dinner or maybe butter toast but I would bet dollars to stale doughnuts that neither of them could cook a real meal to save their lives.

    • Pachy, I like this quote from the article:

      ““If you’re going to be diplomatic, it’s going to cost you in the long run. If you want to stop something,you’ve got to get downright ugly, get mean,stomp your feet and stand in their faces. Otherwise, they’ll run right over you.””

      Uh, President Obama, maybe you should listen to this bass fisherman!

  15. Ya know the whole Troy Davis thing. If the President had a left nut larger than a pistachio he would issue a pardon since the state of Georgia obviously is oblivious.

  16. I don’t know if Troy Davis is guilty or not, but after he’s executed I hope someone can definitively prove he was. Ya know, so Georgia can maintain their *perfect* record.

  17. from the AJC

    Ga. high court won’t halt Davis execution

    AJC reporters are inside and outside the prison, in Savannah and with Mark Allen MacPhail’s family members as the hour approaches for the execution of his convicted killer Troy Anthony Davis. 6:32 p.m

  18. Such an overwhelming percentage of Republicans are not just for the death penalty, they love it. It makes me feel ill. They call themselves the ‘party of life’. How is that? Why is it okay to kill prisoners, but not okay for woman to choose to have an abortion.. I really don’t see the difference. It is very contradictory and hypocritical.
    I can’t help but think of the person who is responsible for taking the life of the convicted killer. He himself has become a killer. Probably repeatedly. Why is that right? The Right always says that it is only for God to take a life when their time is right. Why is this the exception? How do they square this with the bible?

  19. 6:25 Troy Davis’ attorneys have filed a request for a stay of execution with the U.S. Supreme Court. It is his last chance to avoid execution.

    Davis awaits U.S. Supreme Court for final chance

  20. ABC News is reporting:

    “Dating back to his time in the Illinois State Senate, President Obama has worked to ensure accuracy and fairness in the criminal justice system – especially in capital punishment cases,” said White House Press Secretary Jay Carney. “However, it is not appropriate for the President of the United States to weigh in on specific cases like this one, which is a state prosecution.”

    • So the Emperor must bow to the warlord of Georgia? What, is this Shogun Japan? Twelfth century China? Part of the purpose of the federal government is to mitigate state autocracy. Troy Davis is a US citizen, not just a resident of the state of GA.

  21. Sorry to bring religion into this, but it has a role. These people spout their religious beliefs, are all pious, and go on about the sanctity of life all the time, and yet they take joy (as was displayed by the Teabaggers at the recent debate) in taking the lives of those convicted and on death row.
    I used to agree with it but I do not any more. If there is even the possibility of executing one innocent man, how do you continue with this practice and call yourself a ‘civilized’ society.

    • Religion absolutely plays a role and the literature that the religious people use to justify their belief in execution is incredibly full of violence against fellow human beings.

      • I’m also thinking of Terri Schiavo. Do you remember how hard they fought to stop that? Her husband wasn’t actively trying to kill her, he was disconnecting her from being kept artificially alive.

  22. Just an observation.

    It seems like, in many cases, the families of black victims come out against the execution of perpetrators while families of white victims seem eager for execution. Troy Davis and Lawrence Russell Brewer, in this context, are only two data points that provide evidence in a long and shameful history.

  23. Wonder if the Supremes will kvetch about working OT/

    We know the reichwingers will twist and shout about all the money being ‘wasted’ ‘to save one guy’.

    • Do you suppose beings all those police officers are standing there in riot gear ready for trouble, that they’ve now decided to wait 4-6 hours, in hopes that people will get tired of waiting and will start to leave, and then do it in the wee hours of the night.. Thus avoid problems with the crowd?

      • .
        Most states do the executing as close to midnight as possible – was surprised Troy’s was scheduled for 7p!

        Georgia is so damn backward – my thought is they are being stubborn in holding true to the death sentence – never considering the world is watching. Not caring about a man’s life.

        Shame. Shame. Shame is all I have for my country.
        Xian my damn Aunt Helen!

  24. I’m against killing. The concept of state sanctioned murder as a means of punishment is wrong. The idea of snuffing a potential life by abortion is wrong. Stopping life is basically wrong. I can understand the abortion side and agree, it is up to the bearer of the child. Don’t like it but I can see it.

    Killing criminals is an entirely different story. While I hate the idea of life imprisonment I would say make the death penalty voluntary. If criminals don’t want to be confined and prefer to die, give them the option. The state shouldn’t have the hammer.

  25. According to HuffPo:

    The Court’s delay can mean several things:

    The justices are waiting on a petition for a writ of certiorari to arrive;

    The justices are still deliberating;

    A justice or justices are currently incommunicado and can’t be reached for a vote;

    A justice or justices have decided to write a separate opinion accompanying the stay order.

    Clarence Thomas is masturbating.

  26. America seems to have things bassakwards as usual. In cases of capital crimes where the options of life imprisonment and death are the choices it should be up to the convicted. Do you want to rot in a 6×12 cell for the rest of your natural life, treated like crap or do you want to die. Very simple.

  27. uh oh, many police vehicles – lights and sirens showing up at the prisons gate…
    there’s no interpretation as to what it may mean…

  28. I am just totally amazed at the comments I see and read that say the President has no authority or recourse in this. The President can pardon any US citizen for any crime…period. At any time for any reason.

    • Unfortunately, many people would be injured and killed in a wave of domestic terrorism against people of color if the President did so.

    • What I have read indicates that the POTUS only has that power in federal cases for federal crimes. State executions for state crimes, are outside the president’s purview.

    • oh, police state indeed – she was prohibited from going into the crowd – had to go back to the media ring.

      Police are getting closer

  29. .
    People on death row are: under suicide watch – yeah, don’t off yourself give that ‘pleasure’ to the state.

    Undergoes a physical to be sure one is fit enough to be murdered by the state…

    A big damn ‘to-do’ over a last meal

    Shame on this nation – we have the repugnants/teapottiers cheer-leading for the death penalty – yet zygotes are give ‘personhood’…

    I’m sickened with this nation at the moment.

  30. It’s very unpleasant to watch as one’s homeland dies, esp. when the causative disease is so easily curable.

    Q: Why is Troy Davis about to die for a crime he may well have not committed, and Bush, Cheney, and Rummy et al. run around rich and free after seeing to the murder of perhaps as many as a million innocent people? After torturing, after Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, and hell holes never revealed? Why?

  31. .
    Interesting – DN had gone to a Johnny Cash song – never came back live…

    much earlier DN stated they’s be on until at least 10p EDT.

  32. The ‘protest pen’ as it’s being called – majority of the crowd have been there all day. No food is allowed – only water. AND if they leave, for any reason, not allowed back in.
    (hmm , police state – wear them down make it dirt they’ll go away…not so determination will out wit intimidation…)

      • Earlier Amy went under the ‘media ring’ rope (into the crowd) and the Georgia Correctional Officers – I think it was – told her to get back in the media area or she’d be ousted.

        • This is a stupid question, but are there any people not “of color” in that “protest pen”? Just wondering.
          I can’t help wondering if all those people standing there quietly, respectfully, with their signs, were white with blonde hair and blue eyes, if they would be given the same treatment with rows of hundreds of policemen in riot gear ready to pounce..
          I am offended the police are taking such a menacing stance there. It isn’t called for. It creates the illusion that these people are to be feared.

  33. The world is still watching — one of the tweets from Ireland stating it was 3.10a and they couldn’t sleep.

    Amy is playing Billie Holiday Strange Fruit this is Nina Simone singing – the video is more demonstrative of the times…then and now (well not sanctioned lynching but murder none the less)

    • Was there dissenting opinion because they all thought he was guilty? Or was it they didn’t want to step in and overturn states rights without enough compelling evidence.. I have a hard time believing they all agreed he should be executed due to guilt when there is so much questions about his guilt.

      • I also believe the WH was not going to have an opinion on this or step in because they are so afraid of being accused of stepping in for or looking out for black people..
        This is kind of crazy. They could have still kept him locked up for life while they looked into his guilt or innocence. It’s not like the alternative was letting him free.
        Killing prisoners is not justice. It is legal retribution.

      • The SCOTUS had the tersest announcement – nothing was elaborated upon only they were not going to stay the execution.

        The White House doesn’t feel it appropriate to comment on any individual case.

      • I think the SCOTUS is probably limited in its scope. I think they can only look at whether or not Davis’s rights were violated, and if he received due process.

        BnF will know better than I, of course.

  34. It just makes me sick that this man is being executed for killing one person based on nothing more than on the eyewitness accounts of 9 people, 7 of whom recounted their testimony. And there are three men in this country (3 in particular), white rich powerful men (Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld), responsible for committing and ordering others to commit serious war crimes in the name of this country, for taking this country to war based on manufactured evidence and lies, who are responsible for the deaths of well over 100,000 people, and responsible for the rendition and torture of so many people, so many who were guilty of nothing, and they still walk around free, they will never spend one minute behind bars, and they continue to gather more wealth and influence. They will never pay for anything.
    What is wrong with this picture.

  35. They read a quote of Troy Davis’s final words. He told the family he wasn’t responsible for their family member’s death, that he didn’t have a gun. He told them to dig deeper to find the truth.
    He told the executioners “To the people about to take my life, may God have mercy on your souls. May God bless your souls.”

  36. And no doubt, somewhere a room full of Rick Perry supporters is whopping it up, high fiving and firin’ off their six shooters…

  37. Saaaaaaaaaaaaaaay…

    I wonder where this door goes to…???

    What’s that writing say?

    Kinda dusty…

    B…
    O…
    M…
    B…

    S…

    ***sniff… sniff***

    Ooooooooooooooooooooo…

  38. Of course Coulter had to weigh-in:

    COP-KILLER IS MEDIA’S LATEST BABY SEAL

    A commenter at Balloon Juice relays this:

    Someone from the Twitterverse had the perfect reply:

    “I’d call @anncoulter a cunt, but she’s neither the depth nor the warmth.”

      • oh, these two (12.03a & 12.09a) ‘comments’ should be deleted – if the deletion faerie should pay a visit!
        Don’t know where my brain was – not on a ‘kind’ spot that’s for sure!
        My apologies for placing it on theZoo.

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