From ABC’s World News:
The GOP candidates will take the stage at the Fox News/Google debate in Orlando this evening for the second Florida debate in two weeks and the importance of the Sunshine State is roaring into focus. If the election remains the two-man race it has been since Texas Gov. Rick Perry entered last month, Florida could be a tiebreaker and cement either former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney or Perry as the nominee.
If Perry takes Iowa and South Carolina, states with large conservative and evangelical bases, while Romney wins New Hampshire, a state that has become his firewall and where he owns a home, and Nevada, a state he won in 2008 that has a large Mormon population, then it most likely will all come down to Florida, analysts say.
Joining tonight’s debate is GOP candidate Gary Johnson, who served as governor of New Mexico from 1995 to 2002 . Missing from tonight’s debate, of course, is non-candidate, can’t-stand-not-being-the-center-of-attention, quitter and narcissistic blowhard Sarah Palin.
The debate is being televised on Fox Noise, and begins at 6:00 PST, 9:00 ET. For a run-down on all of tonight’s candidates, go here. You can also watch the live-stream here.
Join TheZoo as we join the fun and live-blog tonight’s debate.
TheZoo 
Four theories why Michele Bachmann’s campaign is crashing. “She’s a lunatic who should have never been taken seriously in the first place” noticeably absent:
http://news.yahoo.com/why-michele-bachmanns-campaign-crashing-4-theories-150100608.html
My guess is because as ‘charming’ as she is or can be, when she opens her mouth there is no telling what will come out. She keeps making up way too much crap that she can’t back up with any factual information (lies), and she just keeps doing it. I know most politicians do it to a degree, but the way she does it is similar to “crazy-lying”. She lies even when she doesn’t need to, and her lies are bizarre.
When and why did Ed Rollins quit as her campaign manager? I missed that.
A couple of weeks ago. Basically, “I’m getting too old for this shit.” So he said.
He didn’t know how old he was when he started? 😀
Apparently he learned a great deal more once in – then decided the ‘age’ excuse was the bow out.
Crazy fundy up-close, scares off Rollins. 😉
She has turned on him.. It’s too bad because he was pretty gracious about why he left.
You know how these mean girls work — all kissy and smarmy, until they think they’ve been crossed, and then the real ugliness shows itself.
What is she saying about him?
I found this much:
http://www.christianpost.com/news/ed-rollins-bachmann-not-ready-to-go-the-distance-56020/
I watched a video response of hers that wasn’t oh so nice..
I think wrangling Bachmann would prematurely age anyone sane person.
A local commentator spoke with an anonymous former staffer who said that anyone who suggested she admit a mistake for damage control is summarily dismissed. Rollins is an expert at damage control and walking back factually incorrect statements so I figure he was on borrowed time from the moment he signed on.
What a prima donna. 🙄
But she’s not a stupid prima donna, so I have a feeling she’ll be out of this race before it costs her the House seat. Sorry, pete.
This is a weird situation.. If she is telling her followers/supporters that God has told her to run, and she is following what God has told her, and her followers are all these über religious people, how does she decide not to run and go against what God has told her..
Just asking.
Marcus will tell her what to do, and she’ll obey.
Must be nice to be a man in fundy land. Even a closeted gay man.
I think the answer is straightforward. He knew she was running out of money, and he don’t work for free.
I’m afraid you’re right, Zooey. However, there’s some reason to hope that her constant gaffes will filter through to those who usually get their political ideas from campaign ads and preachers. There’s also a chance that she will find a better gig than sucking the public teat and give up her paltry pay as a Representative(spit!). As for her stupidity…
There are three traits in play. Stupidity, dishonesty, and insanity. My take is that she probably has a normal IQ but she’ll lie about ANYTHING to further herself and she’s Batscat Crazy. So? The net result is that she is functionally stupid on a purely intellectual level despite her being able to cash in. Bible Spice provides an excellent comparison.
Bible Spice is so damned stupid that she probably doesn’t realize when she’s lying while Batscat is so dishonest that she lies despite knowing better. They take different routes to arrive at the same place.
any sane person.
Geeze.
I poached this from TP’s liveblog:
8:50: Bill O’Reilly: “I think tonight some of the candidates are going to have be outrageous to get attention. That’s what I’m looking for.”
So they’re all going to act relatively normal?
After the last “debate,” how will recognize outrageous?
Are you mixing wine with those ruscle melaxers?
Oh god no! 😀
I just keep missing words. Heh.
Well? One or more of them could actually roll on the floor while frothing at the mouth and speaking in tongues. Or they could have a good ol’ fashioned gunfight.
Santorum might know something about frothing… 😉
Is anyone looking at the YouTube live stream? The running comments are interesting…but not in a good way.
I’m using Comcast cable, so I can devote my entire monitor to what’s going on here. It only took three tries to get the channel to enter properly.
Ron Paul’s camp is reporting that Fox News has stacked tonight’s GOP presidential debate in favor of Perry, with softball questions. They’ve also given Perry the best spots to hang banners, and blocked the non-favorites out. CNN was far, far more neutral in their GOP debate. “Fair & Balanced” does not often apply tonight.
I made a mistake by turning on Fox Noise too early. Billo is on and doing his blustering and bloviating..
POLL QUESTION
What matters most to you in a primary candidate?
Ability to beat Obama
Honesty
Experience
Likability
fux poll on the Live stream:
What matters to you most in a primary candidate?
~Ability to beat Obama
~Honesty
~Experience
~Likeability
Oy…
Great hair?
Well, Michele Bachmann already stands out with that fire-engine red dress..
Big cheers for everyone, but loudest I think for pRick Pervy.
Nice acoustics.
Not.
Ugh, echoing.
Are they all wearing their flag pins?
Useless talking point from Pervy.
The crowd roars.
First question to Rick Perry about jobs. No surprise.
Oooohhh. Followup question.. Where’s your job plan?
Boilerplate rerun answers.
Yawn
I don’t want what Pervy has done in Texas to happen to the rest of the country.
81% of new jobs in Texas from 2007 on, went to immigrants, illegal or legal.
The sound really is horrible.
Someone needs to tell the audience to STFU.
Amen!
Did Romney just say he HAD a job? I thought he said he was “unemployed”..
Romney: I don’t define rich.. I want EVERYONE to be rich. (Clapping)
Huh..?
The audience really believes the GooPers are going to make them rich.
Those other countries taxes would be higher, if they didn’t depend on our military to protect them from aggression.
Mitt dodges the “define rich” question.
His bullshit hasn’t worked for 30 years, but the crowd still cheers.
Bachmann: REPEAL ALL TAXES!!!
Batshit — keep 100%!
Who will pay her salary?
Why are these people fighting so hard for a hated government job?
Michele wants people to to keep ALL their money, and yet says people have to pay some of their money to keep the government running. What the heck does she think taxes are??
Would she prefer to have NO policemen? NO firemen? NO teachers? No roads and bridges repaired? Not paying our soldiers? Letting our seniors and disabled citizens starve and die in the streets? ETC…..
Uh, yes.
Until something bad happens to HER.
NO TAXES Michelle. Wahoo dumbfuck
If we are the ‘geniuses of the economy’, we’re all named Wile E. Coyote!
Bad unions!! Bad bad unions!@!!
Mmmmmm, Santorum.
Newt – where are they going to get the jobs if there are no jobs?
Confident Manichean blather.
Gargle.
Repeat.
Gingrich thinks that every who’s on unemployment is some kind of fucking doofus. I guess he doesn’t mind paying 99 weeks of UI while they get training, but have no time to actually look for a job.
Bravo.
Gingrich would find it’s cheaper to just give out checks, than implement his training program, then they would scrap it.
I’ve seen this movie before. I know how it ends.
Newt: People shouldn’t be paid for doing nothing.
Okay, do you think people chose to have their jobs taken away from them? Do you think people who have paid into unemployment insurance out of their paychecks should then have it taken away when they need it?
Herman Cain!!!!!!!
Herman Cain’s tax plan is called “999?”
Isn’t that the emergency number in Britain?
That dawg won’t hunt!
oh gawd here comes the flat tax idiots. 99er Cain now gets to spit out his version of lunacy.
Santorum wants to abolish all public sector unions. There’s a whole lot of abolishing going on tonight. And Gingrich wants to abolish unemployment compensation as well. Let’s abolish government.
999 is the emergency number in the UK!
Hey Mittens, Americans no longer have saving accounts — you idiots crashed the economy and forced us to spend every cent to stay afloat.
And cash out some 401Ks, before the market could recover.
Which creates a whole other tax problem. *sigh*
Rand Paul: Tenther
Now the President interprets the Constitution.
*spit*
Btw, Romney blamed the ENTIRE recession on Obama.
Gary the Virgin Candidate.
Gary the Veto Candidate.
We aren’t THESE UNITED STATES, we are THE UNITED STATES. One country, united. It would be a serious error to turn this into a bunch of states who totally ran as separate entities.
I said that wrong.. Here is what I was looking for:
“You see, ‘is’ is in singular, while ‘are’ is in plural. He is saying that before the civil war, each state believed themselves independent of the other states. Therefore, when referring to the United States, there were many inside, and therefore one would say “The United States are.”
However, after the civil war, Americans began feeling united as one, and therefore, used the word for singular, as in a single country. They began to say “The United States is.”
Therefore, the quote would be “People used to say ‘the United States are’, and now they say ‘the United States is’.”
Gary Johnson is a bore.
But, but he wants to do away with all taxes save one; a “consumptive tax.” I’m afraid to ask what that means, and it begs the question “how broad is the definition of “consumptive’? I love me soft porn.
Sounds like a tax on the old TB wards. *cough cough*
After the adoption of the “consumptive tax,” it will be found that only the bottom 98% actually consumes.
The people cheering in the audience are among those who will suffer most under a flat tax.
Well done, morans.
Interesting to see the new guy who isn’t the new guy, just hadn’t been invited to attend up to this point. So, what changed that? Why did they finally decide to invite him?
They needed another whatsisname to ignore?
Did Batshit run off the stage for a makeup refresher?
Ron Paul would veto every bill that he believes violates the Tenth Amendment, just as he votes against every single bill that violates that principle. Then a defense of a de facto abolition of the federal government. Criminy.
Again, my question is “Why do these fuckwits want the job of running a government they hate?”
To just fucking run it into the ground, and then say “Done!”
“Veto” Johnson shows why it has been absurd to exclude him from these debates when a loon like Bachmann is allowed in.
My gawd, these commentators make it sound like a race at Pimlico
Who’s ahead?
Certainly not this country. Blah…
The horses ass (take your pick of all that are on stage)
44 percent of Republicans who voted think you’re not “rich” if you earn less than a million bucks a year. Srsly.
You can have all the money in the world, and still be a totally bankrupt person — body & soul.
If we can keep the promise of Social Security for some, why not all?
Look, Mitt is being snarky!!
It’s the Rick and Mitt show…
Slap fight!!!
I’d really like to see Perry and Romney with dueling pistols at 10 paces.
Parting shots win.
Not that the bullet would leave much of a trace through all that hair gel.
Mitt: I actually wrote my book…
I noticed that — ZING!!
These men are ridiculous.
Here we go. “Is President Obama a Socialist?”
Define him as the “other”. Make him “unAmerican”.
HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! Comedy night at The Improv.
Not having television or the bandwidth, or the interest for that matter, I’m not watching the actual melee. Party on…
We’re actually making it interesting. 🙂
You are one fortunate human being!
Mittens dodges the “Obama/socialist” question — and not very well.
Blah blah blah…
Ding! Ronald Reagan.
I wish I could have some wine…
It’s in the mail darlin.
Huntsman: No raising taxes!!!!
*flop sweat*
Perry’s answers seem confusing and addled. But Romney actually accused someone else of switching positions!! Perry looks like a grinning bobblehed up there: inarticulate and easily bested by the Mitt.
Huntsman panders yet again to Lord God Reagan.
Hunztman just called 66% of americans stupid to the facts.
Huntsman — Please don’t remember that I worked for Obama!!!
Is it that high already?
I think Huntsman wins the ugly tie award.
Cain is wearing the same tie as last time.
All the other ones have pizza stains.
Huntsman is an ugly narcissist.
Hermie — EPA go away!
Cain: Eliminate the EPA.
Eliminate the EPA … and start over?
Cain: “regalate”
Eliminate dust? You ignorant fool.
Chee-lay!!
The solution is fix it — Profound!
Chil-LAY, we are all Chil-LAY-ans, eh Herm?
Why does Cain keep holding up CHILE under Pinochet as a model…????
Strong men make him feel safe…?
Herm supports total Chilean privatization of social security – based on the stock market (which today sank 4 percent).
There goes Newt again, attack the media person.
Newt is offering up another “contract with America”?? Huh?? Because the first one worked out so well?
Contract ON America
Newt…*snore*
Education! Should be fun.
I can’t wait for the social issues…
Wow, that’s a stupid teacher.
Gary Johnson: Abolish Dept of Ed.
Btw, Gingrich is going to announce something profound next week, he says. Is he quitting?
OK, I get it. Johnson is a Libertarian..
Abolish the Department of Education.
They are blaming that department instead of blaming Bush for ALL Children left behind, and it’s being unfunded.
Santorummmmm: Federal government bad!!!
I shudder to think what Santorum is pouring into his kids’ heads.
Is Michele downing a corndog somewhere?
Maybe she has a headache.
Gingrich: Profound reform at state level. Abolish Dept of Ed.
Pell grants for K-12. Oy…
We don’t kneed no collidge!!
Gingrich had the Pell Grants thing last time.
Rand Paul, blah blah blah….
I wonder if he had private school all the way through his MD training?
HOME SCHOOL’S FOR EVERYONE!!
Perry: Just doing his folksy routine.
School choice! Vouchers!
Bad Romney!! Smack!
If they get rid of the Dept. of Education, then it would be left up to the states to handle schools, and it would not be done uniformly. Some states would have better schools, and many states would have horrible schools. No standards or across the board uniformity. Not all the states are the same size, have the same populations, the same tax bases and level of wealth and jobs. It’s already pretty terrible now.
Romney: Nice try, Poopy Pervy!
Pandermania. *snore*
Key is great teachers! Where will they be educated?
Romney seems the only mostly rational person up there. Perry is nonsensical.
OK. Mitt’s done. He wants to save Social Security and pay teachers well.
Bachmann: Local control with parents.
I’m a mom,…. oh gawd…
Interesting.. Last debate she only talked of being a mom of 3 children. Tonight, suddenly she is again the mom of 23 kids.. Which is it?
Bachmann: 5 biological kids.
Didn’t she say 3 kids last debate?
Love the turkey neck thing Batshit’s got going.
*meow*
Abolish the Government in its entirety —–
Mitt says “class size” is meaningless in educating our children. It’s a Union thang to hire more teachers. Baby Jesus help us, Amen.
Huntsman: Vouchers! He’s got kids!
Early childhood education! No unfunded mandates — damn Obama. Oops, that was Bush 2.
This is sophomoric.
Emmegration!!
Scary brown people!!
This is impossible to take seriously.
All of these people are un-American fuckwits.
I’ll give this to Bachmann..
She has the BIGGEST patriotic pin!!
Ok, so it’s Huntsman with the Ugly Tie Award, and Batshit with the Biggest Patriotic Pin Award.
How about Gary Johnson with the I Promise America award?
They are running for 8th grade president!
How the hell is Bachmann going to pay for all that fencing? No taxes no money…
duh
Michelle, “build a wall around america” and blame the brown folks while we are doing it.
But make sure they put the posts in deep enough, and don’t take any breaks before lunch.
Interesting how they have the American Flag as the backdrop to all these videos on the screen they are playing.
Federal education involvement has always been about minimum acceptable standards, it didn’t become micromanagement until Bush got involved.
Or swiping your credit card at Tiffany’s, eh Newt?
I think I’ll catch the lowlights tomorrow. I’m going to relax, stare at the fish, listen to some old music, sip a drink, and go to bed early.
G-night, good people.
Goodnight, pete.
You clearly are no masochist. 🙂
Have a great evening.
English official language — dog whistles for morans!
Neut: (paraphrasing): I’m scared of and hate all people of color!
Ouch, Mitt just pwned Perry on college tuition.
Bed afraid! Be very afraid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Romney going after Perry on giving illegal aliens a huge discount to go to University of Texas.
Is this one or two torturous hours?
Two
Perry really should walk on stage with a six-shooter in a holster and a 10-gallon hat.
Batshit would tackle him immediately, and smear lipstick all over his face…and stuff.
What is this question?? Americans being abused by illegals in Texas?
I hate it when they use the word “illegals” to refer to actual people without documentation.
It smacks of calling people “untouchables.”
Like Lepers…
Perry’s looking at Santorum and he’s thinking, “Who is that guy?”
Geez.. Perry is starting to look REALLY uncomfortable.
He’s not having fun anymore.
Pissing match between the pRicks.
It’s so disturbing to me that my nephew SO resembles pRicky Santorum.
Is he saying something?
Santorum always looks constipated.
Pervy just said ‘put the aviation assets on the ground’. How about putting them in the air?
Perv is flustered – he’s saying the Fed Gov isn’t assisting enough with the border issue – – yet he states the Fed is too big…
Since Obama came in, enforcement is up, deportations are up, more border patrol. No talk of amnesty. Just the Dream Act, which is only useful to qualified high school graduates, the ones we need in college.
Who knew? Chris Wallace said something funny!
I forgot what he said already, but it was in response to Santorum trying to get Perry to answer his question. Wallace said they all sometimes get frustrated trying to get these guys to really answer their questions..
Chris Wallace…” texas builds a border all along the fence.” Makes about the same sense as the merikan patriots on this stage.
I thought that’s what he said. 😀
I find Ron Paul’s voice very grating.
He’s got a point about the national ID card system.
Otherwise, bullshit.
Perry cannot get the GOP nomination if for no other reason than his less than extreme stance on immigration.
That’s good news. He’s the only one I’m worried about that stage right now.
Who are the repiggies going to pull out of their asses to run against Obama? Certainly none of these clowns.
I still think it’s going to be Jeb Bush. Call me crazy, but that’s what I think. I’ve already heard from my hubby that the Bush brand will prevent it, but it’s what I think anyway. That brand won’t look so bad when people turn to him in desperation.
And if the Bush money and influence makes its way to the WH again I will know it really is time to leave.
They are in Orlando, aren’t they…
Yes
The ultimate manipulation.
Send in the clowns, make a Bush seem reasonable. Ugh.
Remember when Fred Thompson was the Great White Hope for the Rs last time around? Until he opened his mouth in the debates and the audience fell asleep! Now he’s doing some life insurance commercial (I think) aired in the wee hours, and every time I see him now I laugh and laugh at those idiots who pinned their hopes on him.
So who’s going to be this year’s Fred Thompson?
I’m glad that you guys are watching the debate, Wayne refuses to turn it on.
Chris Wallace said something funny?
How long is this thing anyway?
Apparently, an eternity for some.
Seems like a week & a half already…
It feels like a week & a half already.
Two hours.
Only 8% would cut the Dept. of Labor, and 12% would cut EPA. 20% would cut none, even though the poll required cutting one.
47% would cut Dept. of Education. I guess NCLB is the poison pill the GOp intended it to be.
Perry is a slightly dumber, but more ruggedly handsome version of Trent Lott. Yeah, that’s it.
I think Perry is Ronald Reagan and GHW Bush’s Love Child.
(gagging)
Of course, gagging is the appropriate response, but c’mon, look at him – good hair + Texas stupid! I rest my case.
Ugh, the Obama/Israel bashing. This will show how fucking ignorant this panel and crowd is.
War makes Mittens’ pee pee wriggle…
I believe Raytheon is based in Massachusetts.
I think you’re correct.
Herman Cain, your plane is boarding…..
Hermie blathering about something or other…
What the hell do searches for various country names tell anyone? That’s ridiculous.
So much gall, so little ammunition.
Pervy is the dumbest person standing on that stage, and with Santorum up there, that’s really saying something.
You bet.
We’re not safe!!!! Santorum is pissing his bed again…still.
Spend all the money on defense and tax cuts!!!
Santorum is spending money we don’t have, on occupations we don’t need.
The redneck question arrives.
Now, how about that abortion question?
Nonsensical Newt. Nuclear Newt was the guy at the last debate that said Obama was scaring people. Pffffft.
Danger Danger Danger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Be afraid! Vote for Newt! He’ll mop under your soaked bed every night!
Gingrich wants US companies to invest in foreign countries? Why not here?
Gary who?
Newt is now using the fear card. Scary Pakistanies. Oh noes.
Oh, I need to take a break. This discussion of backing Israel against the Palestinians makes me physically upset. These stand behind Israel without question because of the rockets going into Israel. Though no mention of the real numbers of how many lives lost in the battles between the two sides (on both sides). No mention of the conditions the Palestinians have to survive, at the mercy of the Israelis. The damage to both sides isn’t even close. The Palestinians want to have their own state rather than be imprisoned and walled in by the Israelis who are the “occupiers”. I understand this is complicated, but it is most definitely not an evenly fought conflict. Not even close.
The Israelis apparently are the only ones with the right to defend themselves, to protect themselves.
My supervisor at work is Jewish and liberal, but the other day she asked me if she could forward me a petition about the Israel issue, and I told her that I was probably not on the same side as she naturally would be in the Israel/Palestinian debate. Luckily, she simply said ‘okay’ and did not question me further. I really dislike the U.S.’s official blindness regarding Israel.
Gov. Gary Johnson: “Reduce military spending 43%!”
Governor, we have some lovely parting gifts for you.
Oh yeah, Batshit is on the stage.
Thanks for the reminder, hun.
Michele had to ask to get to talk!
Bachmann pounces on Gary Johnson. This is like picking on the weakest runt of a huge litter.
Hee hee, Huntsman’s mic was off.
Get a clue, moran!
Michelle blames Cuba, oh noes!
Cuba is a lovely place. I lived in Gitmo for two years, and it was a great place for a kid to have a lot of freedom.
She is in Florida, and she is going for the Cuban American vote.
Scary CUBA! Again – Brown people/
Santorum should run the Vatican’s military.
Santorum doubles down on more war!
Social issues!! Yay!
Huntsman gets the line of the night!
So his mic worked? What did he say?
Perry seems to think that Obama has not engaged Pakistan or India. Really? Didn’t he go to India and Indonesia to check Chinese influence.
Now they’re blaiming President Obama for being in Afganistan
Batshit on separation of church and state.
Gobbledegook.
oh geebus – Bachmann is giving a ‘history’ lesson
Gay soldier!!
Go for it pRicky!
Hey, my sisters and I were conceived while my dad was in the Marines and Navy. Fuck you, pRick!
The crowd is booing the gay soldier. Support the troops!
Santorum is strangely excited…
Uh oh, ripped military gay dude…….
Ohhhh…. Santorum on Gays in the military.
Oh, brother. Boos in the crowd.
These young men and women have been EXCLUDED for unfair reasons. That has now been remedied. What is he talking about??
Sign up for celibacy in the military! Didn’t work for the Catholic Priests…
Ricky’s frothing….and blathering
The audience are dolts
This is again pegged as a Tea Party Debate. These Teabaggers are racist, homophobic, nuts.
Orlando.
Anita Bryant been spotted yet??
Santorum, taking us back to the 16th century on a daily basis.
This audience is sick. They’re booing the repeal of DADT. Santorium is leading the charge. Fuckwits.
Abortion!!!
Damn, they left the abortion issue. Boo.
Liar, Rick. W hates you.
The Hee-Haw hemming and hawing was the dead give away!
Chimpy and pRick hates each other. Pul-eeze.
Perry is such a dork. A suit. All hat, no horse.
Those word bubbles are pointless.
Oh, I missed it. WHY are they cheering Cain?
Being a cancer survivor.
I need a break. I’ll read your comments for a bit.
I’ll read yours for free.
Because he hasn’t died. Yet.
Hermie is a dolt.
He’s a rich man — he can get any care he wants instantly.
Fuck you.
Cain: “recougarate”
LET HIM DIE!!!
Cain is truly a lying sociopath.
Cain is a LIAR -big time Liar (on “Obama Care”)
Does Cain not realize the public option was defeated? Does he not understand that the entire system remains private? Does he not know that someone as rich as he could under any Obamacare procedure be able to buy whatever medical care he wants?
I don’t understand why they say this shit. He is talking about how he wouldn’t have gotten care in time if he had had to wait for beaurocrats (sp?).
We already have beaurocrats that we have to deal with when we need care. They are called PRIVATE INSURANCE COMPANIES!! I’ve dealt with this myself already this year.
The only way insurance companies make such gigantic profits is because they live to deny you care.
Ooops, audience members yawning.
One of them needs to have a wardrobe malfunction.
Or something…
Huntsman misses the point on healthcare. The biggest problem for caregivers is multiple systems each office must deal with to get paid.
Yay! Going after Bachmann on her INSANELY STUPID comment on the HPV vaccine.
Yup! She is standing by it!! Idiot..
Doubling down..
Michele Bachmann, YOUR plane is now boarding too….
Bathit holds her ground with the “crying mom” bullshit.
Huntsman gives me hives – spewing ‘when I was Gov. of Utah we did everything correctly – we have no problems in Utah, when I was governor…
(Utah has less than 3 million people)
Pervy comes up with his own tear-jerker.
Man, I thought Perry was going to produce tears in order to prove he is the compassionate one..
He was trying!
The Death Penalty Governor claims he errs on the side of life.
Hilarious!
I guess it depends on ‘whose’ life it is..
I guess you ahve to be one of the people who matter. 🙄
Perry: Romney is “Obama light.”
Srsly, how stupid are you and your staff to actually SAY that?
POLL QUESTION
Should an uninsured person who falls ill be denied care?
Yes
No
I don’t know
No
Mittens really has a yoke around his neck with RomneyCare.
Rick Perry: “Fool me once, shame on you….fool me……you can’t get fooled again”
Exactly.
Perry demonstrating his linguistic gymnastics.
I’ll give him a 2.
Is that before or after it’s multiplied by the difficulty factor?
This is definitely set up to be between Romney and Perry. The rest of them are props.
I look forward to Rick Perry’s elocution safaris.
This isn’t Clash of the Titans, it’s Crash of the Tiddleywinks.
Trash of the Cretins.
Even better.
Perry can’t even remember what he wants to call Romney out on.
Romney could manage baseball, the way he’s playing the percentages tonight. He’s in favor of what the polls say the country wants. Too bad he won’t get the nomination.
I’m pretty sure Pervy never did as much homework as Chimpy, so why would he change now?
Ugh, this is awful.
Nothing really disgusting like the crowd cheering for death, but the monstrous level of stupidity is stunning.
They’re treating this whole thing like they themselves are the only one who is affected if they win. It’s really scary.
I just saw a commercial for “The American Jobs Act”. Wow.. Isn’t that Obama’s plan? And it was run on Fox during the GOP debate. Interesting..
AFSCME paid for the ad. A UNION!
Romney defended the private sector as the basis for universal insurance! Just like Obamacare.
Perry’s responses seem almost too bored or too tired or too lazy. Perry wallows in his incoherence.
Jobs plan.
Don’t tax the job creators, bro!
Romney is cleaning up. And Palin is grinning somewhere. She’s the big winner tonight.
The whackjobs will still say Pervy won tonight.
Reagan.
*yawn*
“The brass ring of liberty.” Geeze.
Posters have begun appearing around town for the annual Holloman AFB open house, this years theme is “Legacy of Liberty”.
Prominently featured in the center among vintage aircraft photos is a Predator Drone.
War Pigs.
Where’s my Sharpie…
Bachmann’s record is stuck on Obamacare
Pa. Thet. Ic. Are these adults or 4-year-olds?
Hey, don’t be mean to 4 year olds!
No actual plans yet…
Ron Paul has a government job…
Rick Perry is not ready for prime time.
Newt invokes Reagan. Shocking.
As I have said before, “I have officially run out of face to palm.” Never in my many moons on this earth have I witnessed such lying and…….oh never mind.
Yeah, Newt. 🙄
Still no jobs plan…
The audience: white as white can be…enough said about these teapottier/repub candidates.
Santorum blows the dog whistle.
And Johnson is a dog turd!
Srsly, these people are insane.
I wonder how all these North Alabama government contractors, including some I’ve worked for, feel about these candidates saying ‘government can’t create jobs’? Without government contracts, we’d all still be picking cotton and working in the mills!
Gary is so happy he got a joke in. Ok, thanks for playing our game Gary. Buh bye….
Gary Whosit goes for the dog shit quote.
The crowd roars — some of them probably have jobs created by the stimulus.
Question: What would you do to turn this country’s economy around.
Hunstman: fail (stop trying to be folksy and cute)
Cain: “999”, leadership – fail
Bachmann: reach for the brass ring of liberty, repeal Obamacare – fail
Romney: We are patriots, blah, blah, blah… FAIL
Perry: Get rid of Obamacare, get rid of regulations, lower tax rates, energy independent – FAIL
Paul: Bubbles! Get rid of the Fed.Free Markets! FAIL!!
Gingrich: a Jimmy Carter joke. NOT FUNNY! Fail!!!!
Santorum: quote Reagan. God given rights, responsibility. Reagan again. FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Johnson (oh, he’s still there?..): Another joke – dog potty. Balance the Fed budget NOW! Replace with consumption, fair tax.FAIL!!!!!!
Only Johnson and Ron Paul answered the actual question. Unbelievable.
That’s the theme for this evening, muse. FAIL!
Ya know, a soldier was booed at a Republican debate. Must be a first.
But he was a ‘phony soldier’, after all, he was gay!
See the guns on him? I’d like to see some of the armchair soldiers in that room tell that guy to his face that he is somehow unfit to fight.
Support the troops!
What I’ve noticed about the crowd is their strongest responses come not when a policy is backed or explained. It’s when someone is attacking Obama or predicting his losing the next election.
It’s a team sport.
All style no substance.
All hat, no cattle?
and they’re all ringers.
What’s the question?
choosing a V.P from those on stage.
Batshit lies about Obama’s popularity.
Umm, Perry wants a genetic splicing of Cain and Gingrich, which makes me somewhat nauseated.
If you had to choose the running mate, who would it be?
Johnson: Ron Paul (another Libertarian)
Santorum: no name, just a concept
Newt: no idea. Funny..
Paul: no choice (points out he IS NUMBER 3)
Perry: cross between Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich..
Romney: ditto on Newt (actually, only smart answer so far)
uh oh.. followup pitting Romney and Perry. Ouch. Perry is puffing up again..
Bachmann: “a strong Constitutional Conservative”. Not a real answer.
Cain: Romney if he accepts “999”, or Gingrich.
Huntsman: Hermann Cain (kiss up)
Huntsman sucks up to Chris Wallace and the black guy.
No one mentioned Sarah for VP? Shocking.
Oh, dear God, I am so glad that is over..
Amen
Amen
Amen
Well, thank goodness that’s over.
I think Bachmann is on her way out. They hardly let her talk at all.
They didn’t want to appear foolish…;)
Way too late for that, my friend. 😀
I thought it was funny when you said you were going to take a break, and you were gone a whole six minutes! 😀
We racked up 360 comments. Yes, a separate thread is a good idea.
I know. It was like a friggin’ train wreck.
Caught tail end of debate. Glad That I missed it.
Yes, whoever said ‘know the enemy’ was into S&M – that was sheer torture listening to the babble, spit and spew of these ‘candidates’.
The moderators were just as bad.
bdmm summed it up quite well: sophomoric and pathetic.
I do think Romney came across best in this “debate,” but the people’s favorite was Pervy, no matter how ignorant and incoherent he is.
The rest of them are background noise.
How could you watch that troupe and come away believing in something called “American exceptionalism”?
No idea, badmoodman.
I’m on heavy muscle relaxers, so I know drugs wouldn’t do the trick.
I don’t believe we saw the future nominee tonight. Believe me. Someone else will step in after all these fools implode, someone who will save the party.
Place that in an archive – you are correct on that!
Run Sarah. Pleeeze.
And one last whopper:
Bachmann: “plenty of presidents have had lower approval ratings than Obama.”
Ronald Reagan for one.
Chimpy for another…
Wayne you refused to watch this mess. Sorry, for myself, that I missed the memo. This was, unargueably, the worst two hours I’ve spent in my life. I need remedial help.
Uh oh, what does that say about us? 😯
we love pain?
We’re not in favor of torturing others, but we torture ourselves on a regular basis. *sigh*
Yep. Strange lot we are. No?
I’ll take our “strange” over their “normal” anytime.
A horrible night for Perry. Therefore another great night for Romney.
Palin lurks….Christie ponders …. Jeb wonders…..
I think my eyes are bleeding.
I need to go cleanse my palate…
My ears are ringing.
Oh, wait, it’s the neighbors cell phone…
I’m stepping out for some fresh air. That stale blather on stage was just too much!
I’ve had enough. Good night folks.
Goodnight, muse!
Excellent post!
Nytol.
Goodnight, badmoodman. Thanks for the commentary re the “debate.” 🙂
None of that was anywhere near as bad as listening to Sarah Palin give an outdoor speech.
oh touche’! Palin will not run.
Though she is still behaving like she is a candidate..
So true.. I simply cannot bear to hear her voice, or watch that Bush-like smirk..
Oh wait.. I’m just thinking about this. I don’t remember them bringing up global climate change… Were there any questions about that? If not I’m surprised. I thought sure they’d use that to go after Jon Huntsman to finally knock him out of the race.
Time for me to go horizontal.
Last day of work tomorrow, and then:
Woo hoo!!
Laters!
Indeed. 🙂
TP has ‘highlights of tonight’s debate’: a two second clip of Romney, saying “There are a lot of reasons not to elect me.”
You guys get Kudos for sitting through that. I don’t think I could tonight. Just wasn’t up for it.
There was a “debate”? Oh, gosh, I missed it. Dang.
Been watching season 2 of Treme when I could have been listening to this pack of morons?
Y’all crack me up. How the hell can you sit through these events?
What’s Treme?
Brilliant television show set in New Orleans post-Katrina, created by the same people that produced The Wire. If for no other reason, watch it for the music.
Pffttt, I’m going to watch Rachel and then go to bed.
You can keep your silly “Treme,” whatever that is. 😛
“How the hell can you sit through these events?”
Wine. Lots of wine..
Hopefully a proper vintage or two.
Can someone tell me why they still keep calling the Newt “Mr. Speaker”??? he hasn’t been speaker since 1996? 1999?, and wasn’t he drummed out of office for ethics violations??? WTF.. is there a time limit before you are no longer a slime ball?
And why do they continue to call Mitt Romney “Governor Romney”? He hasn’t been governor since… when? 2007?
I don’t get it..
And WHY am I still listening to this?? Sean Hannity. What a worm.
The “Post-Debate Spin Room”. Hannity is a POOR excuse for a human being.
Heh, is that what they really call it?
For those of you who missed the “debate”:
Ok Ms Zooey you’re into S&M. Good to know.
Safe word: Ow!!!
you’re safe with me. just a bottle of wine.
Decidedly the low point of the evening:
The Republican Audiences Boos Gay Soldier
What a charming lot they are. Honestly they remind me of “Quo Vadis” or “Ben Hur” when the plebs lustily cheered the outrages happening to the poor sods in the Circus.
Or, to come back to walt’s post about witchcraft, the medieval crowds cheering an autodafe.
Republicans have come a long way back from being civilized once. If you start to think Reagan was comparatively sane and decent..
The Daily Show tonight was weird. They opened with making fun of the Palestinian application to the UN, and actually played the Israeli-Palestinian conflict for humor in a way I found in bad taste. Then Lewis Black did a Back in Black about arsenic in apple juice, that was funnier.
Jennifer Granholm was on to promote her book. She has had cosmetic surgery to remove her facial bumps and smooth her complexion, and she looks great! Too bad she can’t run for President.
Too bad they saw fit to make fun of the Palestinian’s plight. It’s difficult to believe the the oppressed (Israel) has now become the oppressor. There’s nothing humorous about that – well for me any way.
The arsenic in apple juice was that quirky Dr. Oz fomenting fear – and getting it all wrong!
I started getting really angry and frustrated with those “repeal obamacare” morons, so I switched to C-SPAN. OMG those fucking idiots now want to fund FEMA by taking funds from the EPA and “green” programs. WHEN WILL THIS INSANITY END????????? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?????? guess I am a bit pissed off………………………….. maybe I need some of those Schweddy Balls