The Watering Hole: September 23, 2011 — Schweddy Balls


A bunch of Moms have their panties in a twist over the latest Ben & Jerry’s delicious creation of yumminess — Schweddy Balls.

Vanilla ice cream with a hint of rum & loaded with fudge-covered rum & malt balls.

Apparently, Schweddy Balls are a threat to the innocence of their little darlings.  Methinks these ladies haven’t heard their special boys and girls talking among themselves on the school yard.

Hey ladies, thanks for putting up a fuss about this new Ben & Jerry’s flavor — I hadn’t heard of it!

So what do you think about the fuss?  Personally, I can’t wait to get some Schweddy Balls in my mouth.  😉

This is our Friday open thread — ice cream anyone?

203 thoughts on “The Watering Hole: September 23, 2011 — Schweddy Balls

  1. Bev and Jenny’s of Colorado Springs have whipped up a companion flavor, Evaginical Effervescence. While having come together over the Fundamental ingredients, Jenny has put her foot down on nuts of all kinds.

  2. I can’t thank y’all enough for watching that debate for me. I much prefer reading your coverage of it to that available from other news outlets.
    Good morning Raven, you’re up early, or late.
    I’m off to work. I hate to work in the rain.

  3. While skimming the headlines over at TP, I noticed an article about Ohio selling off a prison to be run by a private company.

    I immediately thought of one very, very big downside to that: the 8th Amendment’s prohibition of cruel and unjust punishment. It only applies to Government actors. Having prisons run by a private company may well allow the government turn a blind eye to prisoner abuses and escape accountability.

    oh, and TGIF everybody. I missed seeing those Master Debators last night. Didn’t see any headlines that indicated any of them said anything worth a damn anyway. That any Republican polls above 30% astounds me.

    • “AFA exists to motivate and equip citizens to change the culture to reflect Biblical truth. ”

      So they’re the anti-shellfish brigade?

    • The AFA was originally named the National Federation for Decency. Rev. Donald Wildmon founded it to protest against Charlie’s Angels and Three’s Company. That decided it for me. Anyone who was against Suzanne Somers’ boobs being on my tv was no friend of mine. 😀

    • One of thier “issues” is:

      Lane Bryant Models Go Topless to Sell Clothes

      Methinks with the help of their publicity, Lane Bryant may get some more folks to sign up for their catalog!

      And for all you ladies, here’s something I didn’t know:

      Adult Toys Sold on Pharmacy Websites

      Perhaps another use of their website would be to sign up for their alerts, and tell the targeted companies to keep up the good work!

    • Years ago a group of fundies picketed our local mom and pop video rental shop, who had a discreet back room where adult videos could be rented. I had used the shop for years without even knowing they had an adult section. 🙂

      • outstanding, you have to look real hard and you’ll find sex just anywheres these days. Anywheres! If you’re a millionmom, that is.

        I need to go to their website and cause some trouble.

        • Well I plan on running down to the store today to try and find some so I can try the Schweddy Balls before they are all gone. Perhaps I will fill up my freezer with them..

          • I looked for some last night at the Thriftway a couple miles down the road, but they didn’t have it. I might have to hit a larger store like Safeway or Fred Meyer.

            I remember being around 10 years old and my mom made rum balls for some fancy party. They were called “Admiral’s Balls,” and I asked why they were called that. My mom said, “Because they’re so small.” Her tone of voice let me know the conversation was over. It was years before I figured that one out…

  4. Piling on Perry:

    “Perry said he’s in favor of making English the official language of the U.S. Perhaps he should concentrate on mastering it before the next debate.” — Michelle Malkin. HI-YOOOO!!

    “Governor Perry losing debate with his own tongue.” — Ann Coulter SSSSMACK!!

    “Everyone here in Palinville who looks forward to good hard competition will be relieved to know that Gov. Rick Perry was NOT drunk at last night’s debate, all appearances to the contrary. It’s just that before taking the stage he inexplicably chose to receive a Gardasil shot, one of whose known side effects is mental slowness.Palinites

  5. For those of you who watched the debate, I’m hearing about the crowd booing a SOLDIER last night? Did the candidates try to shush the audience? Did they do Anything?

    • He was gay. And totally ripped. I questioned my confident heterosexuality.

      The GOP is suffering from epistemic closure and has lost its collective mind.

      • The “conservative” audiences at these events have managed to embarrass the country every time. They’ve cheered for executions, for allowing patients without insurance to die, and now they’ve insulted a soldier in combat.

        And the shitheels on stage haven’t said boo.

    • And another thing….(heh)….the shocking silence on the stage – the fact that no one challenged this outrage – also tells me that this kind of slur is not regarded as a big deal to the GOP.

      • Too bad that video didn’t go on for just a few seconds or a minute longer. Sanitarium went on to defend DADT – I can’t recall if he said he’d re-instate if elected. The mere fact he spoke about it over the crowd’s insulting boos was very telling – Sanctimonious fraidy cat did not blink as the crowd booed – never admonished..

  6. Even GOProud, the gay guys who love Ann Coulter, issued this statement:

    “Tonight, Rick Santorum disrespected our brave men and women in uniform, and he owes Stephen Hill, the gay soldier who asked him the question about Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell repeal, an immediate apology. That brave gay soldier is doing something Rick Santorum has never done – put his life on the line to defend our freedoms and our way of life. It is telling that Rick Santorum is so blinded by his anti-gay bigotry that he couldn’t even bring himself to thank that gay soldier for his service.

    Stephen Hill is serving our country in Iraq, fighting a war Senator Santorum says he supports. How can Senator Santorum claim to support this war if he doesn’t support the brave men and women who are fighting it?”

    • Seems like the GOP debates are routinely producing inappropriate audience responses. The pattern is disturbing but hardly surprising given the dwindling numbers of rational Republicans.

  7. And speaking of “Schweddy Balls”, Alec Baldwin (who was hosting the SNL show that featured the skit from which this new ice cream flavor gets its name) will be hosting the season opener of SNL tomorrow night. It will be his record 16th time hosting SNL, breaking rhe record he held with Steve Martin.

    I have to get back to work now. Enjoy your day. 🙂

  8. So what did I miss on ther debate? Booing a soldier…. yup that’s a new low. I thought that Troy Davis might have come up and an outbreak of cheers would have resulted. No?

    Interesting that Coulter, Malkin and crew are going after Perry. I thought that he was at least as corporate-friendly as Romney….. follow the money though – Romney has pulled in more corporate money than anyone.

        • What I don’t understand is when last night Mitt stood there bragging about his record as successfully running a big corporation, that he had hired more people than anyone and he knew how to put people back to work, that people didn’t jump all over him with followups asking more about what he REALLY did as the head of a corporation: buy up smaller companies, break them up and sell them off and fire everyone, then pocket all the profits.
          Nobody asked him about that. It is how he made his tens, if not hundreds, of millions.

          • They’re all timid and chickenshits and know that they have no chance at the nomination so they don’t want to irreparably wound the presumptive GOP nominee. Plus, they don’t wanna blow their chance at the cushy VP slot.

            I still think Palin enters this race after all the debates are over. She thinks she can get just be anointed without running any gantlets.

            • I really think she’s stupid and clueless enough to attempt such a move. I look forward to it, because she will be massacred from the RIGHT, and maybe that will finally force her out of the spotlight. The media loves a good public crushing, so will make the most of it.

            • I really believe she thinks she is smarter than everyone else, on a whole other level, and that she doesn’t haven’t to adhere to normal rules or conventions. She is going to do this her own way.
              It just AMAZES me how ‘sociopathic’ and narcissistic she is. And clueless as to how it looks to the rest of us. It wouldn’t occur to her that she looks ridiculous. She believes everyone loves her, and those who don’t she will find a way to have retribution on them, make them pay.

            • That shit always comes to an ugly end, and she’s so uber-confident in her mythological abilities that it will super duper ugly in her case. Sure, she’ll never believe it, but who cares? It will be epic to watch. Damn McCain for foisting her and her grifter family onto this country.

            • I think that you are right… an Alaskan blogger received a fundraising letter from someone associated with PalinPAC and Conservatives4Palin are all atwitter about her entering the race.

              I think that she wants to get in, but doesn’t have enough money on hand as yet and is waiting for others to crash and burn before she steps into the race as a “saviour.” Her narcissistic personality demands it.

              It’s pretty lame for her to avoid these debates though if she is going to run.

            • Can you imagine a Palin presidency? Yikes. Nothing but retribution for the “haters” out there. She would take Nixon’s blacklist to a whole new level.
              And to have her that close to a finger on the button….{{{{{shudder}}}}

  9. The godson, Jason, is on the left. It’s a shame he’s not singing because he’s got a great voice as evidenced on his previous bands where he sang lead. The performance is @38:15 in.

  10. From TPM:

    GOP Presidential Rick Santorum said after the Fox News/Google Republican debate last night that he didn’t hear anything from the crowd after a video question from a gay soldier on the repeal of DADT. Huffington Post grabbed the quote: “I didn’t hear the boos so I can’t make anything from something I didn’t hear.” Santorum said.

    I didn’t hear it, so it didn’t happen. Lalalalalalaaa!!!

  11. Lawrence Russell Brewer, who was executed Wednesday for the hate crime slaying of James Byrd Jr. more than a decade ago, asked for two chicken fried steaks, a triple-meat bacon cheeseburger, fried okra, a pound of barbecue, three fajitas, a meat lover’s pizza, a pint of ice cream and a slab of peanut butter fudge with crushed peanuts. Prison officials said Brewer didn’t eat any of it.

    Texas officials now say they will discontinue the last meal program. Your death row inmates say, “thanks a shitload, Larry.”

  12. AP has some facts checks up on the debate. Here’s one big whopper:

    BACHMANN: “President Obama has the lowest public approval ratings of any president in modern time.”

    THE FACTS: That’s true, if you leave out Harry Truman, Richard Nixon, George W. Bush, Jimmy Carter, George H.W. Bush, Lyndon Johnson, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton and Gerald Ford. All of them at some point in their terms dipped lower than Obama’s low point of 38 percent job approval, according to Gallup’s comparison.

            • Ew.

              I just flashed on the scene in Monty Python’s Meaning of Life, where the woman with all the kids gives birth while washing dishes or cooking. Blech.

            • The Monty Python scene continued with a couple of highbrows in a fine home just across the street. The man said, “Bloody Catholics, they think every time they do it they have to have another child.”

              His wife looks at him, raises an eyebrow, and say, “Well, we have two.”

            • Frugal,

              I just watched that recently. Actually it was more like:

              Husband: Look at those bloody Catholics, having bloody children they can’t afford to bloody-well feed.

              Wife: Why is do they have so many children?

              Husband: Because every time they have sex, they have to have a baby.

              Wife: Well, it’s the same with us.

              Husband: What do you mean?

              Wife: Well, we have two children, and we’ve had sex twice.

              Husband: That’s not the point. We can have sex any time we want to.

              Wife: We can?

              (and then it goes on to talk about condoms and French ticklers.)

        • I think she spawned 3 girls and 2 boys. When she said “…three children…” in the debates, she probably meant “…three daughters…”, since the topic was the HPV vaccine. Either way, I’m sure hers sons weren’t pleased.

    • BACHMANN: “President Obama has the lowest public approval ratings of any president in modern time.”

      I can see the Bachmann spin now: “Well of course I meant, “President Obama has the lowest public approval ratings of any current president in modern time.”

    • zxbe, I’m afraid, they are just spewing all the lies and stories and get heard. Their voters wll never ask for a fact check. They’ll just beliiiieve.

  13. Remember this story by pRick Perry?

    So I told dad I had to do something to make a living. And I had a class date to fly for Southwest Airlines in September of 1978. On the fifth day of August 1978 it rained 30 inches in 24 hours in that little community just 150 miles west of Fort Worth and you know I took that as God’s real clear message to me “this is where I want you son; this is where I want you to be.”

    It. Never. Happened. 😆

    • I just read some of the comments. Disgusting. Do people really say things like that? The bile is sickening.

      The absolute top is the fake Jew “I was discriminated against and just got on with life and didn’t complain” complainer. I have to stop or this’ll be a rant…

    • Interesting that much of the anti-gay “rationale” isn’t all that different from the anti-black sentiment back in the forties, where ni99ers weren’t true Americans and their loyalties were therefore suspect and plus that who’d want to share a room with one and get what they got? Ick.

      The Tuskegee Airmen, thankfully, endured the hatred and ultimately changed that part of the world.

      Q: Why does irrational hatred remain such a major and defining characteristic of the United States of America?

    • Chris ‘Jesus that’s a long f***ing walk’ Christie? Bloody Bill is floundering. besides I thought he had wood for Bible Spice? Did the flabby, ugly spotty kid finally get laughed at by the head cheerleader?

    • Very interesting – they unleashed, without restrictions, the babbling idiocy of ‘defeat Obama at all cost’ and expected – really expected a respectable crowd?
      No, they didn’t.
      This is of their doing – like Pandora’s box – unleashed never to be tethered.

      The chyron showed “in Iraq” what other clue did the audience need to see – he was serving in a damn war theDick and the Chimp lied us into…

      • This all started with the slobbering, lathered crowds ready for blood with Sarah Palin. She primed and readied the GOP crowds for this kind of behavior. They want more.
        I no longer recognize the Republican Party.

      • If this is how Perry’s going to take Obama on in debates, we’re in trouble. Someone inject him with some Red Bull and a dash of Herman Cain’s personality.

        That’s it – Cain has a swimming personality – call the rescue team 999! The commenter is serious – however Cain is a repug clown of the first order – he’s going nowhere on the political circuit.

    • I’m perplexed that none of the other candidates used the Dick Cheney tried and true tactic used on John Edwards. with Gary WTF Johnson..
      Who the FUKK are you?

  14. OMG.. Netanyahu is in front of the General Assembly lecturing and insulting them all. Whining about how Israel has had their actions condemned more than anyone. Instead of whining, why don’t they practice a little retrospection and figure out why that is…

    • They are the big bully yet cry ‘victim’. Noone dare say anything like “the oppressor becomes the oppressed” for fear of being labeled ‘antisemitic’ — the Palestinians are also a Semitic people – does this then make the Israeli’s antisemitic?

    • Projection. Why doesn’t Israel comply with UN resolutions?

      There are quite a few…

      So the stage is now set: a man who’s whole life has a been a struggle to overcome racial bigotry and injustice, and who owes his current position in the world to those who marched, were beaten, lynched, spat on and discriminated cagainst for their call for Civil Rights…. that man is about to vote to deny 4m people theirs and vote to continue their occupation and oppression in an Apartheid state…

      It’s sickening cowardice from Mr Obama…

    • Questions that will never be asked of Bibi Netanyahu by Wolf Blitzer (CNN- AIPAC):

      1. Prime Minister what are Israel’s national borders? The 1967 borders mandated by UN resolution 242 or the Jordan River?
      2. Does a lawful democratic state owe the citizens within their borders equal protection under the law? Yes or No?
      3. Is a state which does not offer its citizens inside its borders equal protection under the law based on race or religion an Apartheid state?

      Since (a) if the West Bank and Jerusalem are part of Israel then the people’s within are clearly not being afforded their full civil rights or (b) if the 1967 borders are Israel’s then why are they occupying somone else country in violation of the UN charter? (c) Even within Lesser Israel, Arab-Israelis are not allowed to bring into Israel no-Jewish spouses for immigration. If they wnat to marry a non-citizen who is not Jewish, they must leave.

      For the next time you meet a ‘Israel is our democratic friend’ idiot….

      • And:

        If Jerusalem is the once and present capital of Israel, undivided, what are you going to do with the 400,000 non-Israeli people currently living in East Jerusalem?

  15. Found on facebook:


    Dear Wife, I’m writing you this letter to tell you that I’m leaving you forever. I’ve been a good man to you for 7 years & I have nothing to show for it. These last 2 weeks have been hell. … Your boss called to tell me that you quit your job today & that was the last straw. Last week, you came home & didn’t even notice I had a new haircut, had cooked your favorite meal & even wore a brand new pair of silk boxers. You ate in 2 minutes, & went straight to sleep after watching all of your soaps. You don’t tell me you love me anymore; you don’t want sex or anything that connects us as husband & wife. Either you’re cheating on me or you don’t love me anymore; whatever the case, I’m gone. Your EX-Husband P.S. don’t try to find me. Your SISTER & I are moving away to West Virginia together! Have a great life! ——

    Dear Ex-Husband, Nothing has made my day more than receiving your letter. It’s true you & I have been married for 7 years, although a good man is a far cry from what you’ve been. I watch my soaps so much because they drown out your constant whining & griping Too bad that doesn’t work. I DID notice when you got a hair cut last week, but the 1st thing that came to mind was ‘You look just like a girl!’ Since my mother raised me not to say anything if you can’t say something nice, I didn’t comment. And when you cooked my favorite meal, you must have gotten me confused with MY SISTER, because I stopped eating pork 7 years ago. About those new silk boxers: I turned away from you because the $49.99 price tag was still on them, & I prayed it was a coincidence that my sister had just borrowed $50 from me that morning. After all of this, I still loved you & felt we could work it out. So when I hit the lotto for 10 million dollars, I quit my job & bought us 2 tickets to Jamaica But when I got home you were gone.. Everything happens for a reason, I guess. I hope you have the fulfilling life you always wanted. My lawyer said that the letter you wrote ensures you won’t get a dime from me. So take care. Signed, Your Ex-Wife, Rich As Hell & Free! P.S. I don’t know if I ever told you this, but my sister Carla was born Carl. I hope that’s not a problem…

  16. Compelling Doctor Who dilemma: new episode airs this weekend on BBC America, which I can now watch. I have not seen any of the earlier episodes from this season. BBCA does have the last three episodes of the season airing in the upcoming days, but none of the previous episodes. Do I record them on TiVo and hope for the earlier episodes to pop up, or do I spend $28 to buy Season Six, Part I on DVD?

    And somewhat ditto, why can’t I find Season 4 of Primeval anywhere?

    • Looks like there’s a Doctor Who marathon over the weekend of 9-30 to 10-1. You should be able to check a list of all the episode titles and get them all recorded, so you can watch them in order.
      And if Zooey can send them to you, that would also help.

      • BBC America has these marathons on a regular basis, usually around holiday weekends. This one actually starts at midnight Friday night, eastern time, but 11pm at my house. First is Let’s Kill Hitler, Night Terrors, The Girl Who Waited, The God Complex, and Closing Time (tomorrow’s show), in order, then a special, ‘Best of the Doctor’, and at 5am, the start of the sixth season, Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon, then The Curse of the Black Spot, The Doctor’s Wife, The Rebel Flesh/ The Almost People, and A Good Man Goes To War. Then the specials, Best of the Companions, Best of the Monsters, and Best of the Doctor. Then in order again, as above, up to the new episode The Wedding of River Song. So you could DVR all of them next weekend, if there are no glitches in your cable or equipment.

    • Season 4 Primeval is $1.99 an episode on Amazon instant streaming – Season 3 is free though…. hmm.

      I wish I could convince my co-habitors that the cable is worthless….

      • I hate watching TV on the internet. I would really hate watching stuff via pay per view on the internet. In the first place I don’t trust the security enough to have personal info in the computer yet, so I have no way to pay for stuff.

        If I could send the signal to my big tv, and watch there, while still using the computer for other purposes, I could cut out the cable. Once more choices are reliably available online, I may see that as an option. I’d have to have the racing and college football fully available before that could happen.

        How would you know you liked a show if you never saw it or heard of it? I’ve been seeing promos for a sitcom named Whitney on MSNBC, with Whitney Cummings. I watched it last night, only because I saw promos for it. I wouldn’t give a nickel extra to see it, but I may watch it if I already have it paid for in my general cable fee.
        By the way, she was funny, the rest of the people on it pretty much sucked.

        • Last time I watched TV was in a Colorado Springs hotel a bit more than four months ago. I didn’t count ’em, but we probably had 100 channels available plus some pay per view, but it never took more than a half hour or so for us to decide that there was nothing on worth watching, and thank all gods for books. I swear, cable TV is absolutely and positively the most worthless invention in the last six thousand years (or however long it is that the earth has been here).

          At home we have DVD’s of probably 600 movies — mostly old favorites — and the occasional Netflix — the combination being plenty adequate to make having a video device (once called a television set) worthwhile. Besides, the older one gets the less time it takes to completely forget what a movie was about, ergo watching it again in a few months is an invariably fresh experience! Have just about finished watching, for the nth time, Herman Wouk’s Winds of War and War and Remembrance — never gets tiring or seems a waste of time. Unlike cable TV managed to accomplish in a half-hour last May.

  17. Rick Perry: Republicans Don’t Need To Elect ‘The Smoothest Debater’

    ORLANDO, FL — If you can’t win the game, change the rules. That’s what Rick Perry tried to do in an address to the CPAC Florida conference here Friday, one day after what was universally derided as a terrible debate performance Thursday.

    Speaking to what sounded like a friendly crowd, Perry told his supporters not to worry and asked his party to remember that debating isn’t everything.

    “As conservatives we know that values and visions matter,” he said. “It’s not who is the slickest candidate or smoothest debater who we need to elect.”

    Perry went on to attack what he called the smooth talkers of the recent Democratic past, including President Obama and Bill Clinton who Perry said “could sell ice to Eskimos and then come out the next day against ice.”

    It’s clear that self-awareness is not a strong suit with Pervy.

  18. What you say

    U.S. Border Patrol says it will not allow any misconduct among agents

    and what you do:

    Report: Border Patrol abuses widespread

    The findings went beyond denial of food and water. Migrants held by the Border Patrol spoke of being exposed to extreme heat or cold, sleep deprivation, death threats, and psychological abuse such as blaring music with lyrics about migrants dying in the desert.

  19. My solution to the border fence issue: Elect any one of the Master deBating candidates in last night’s Republiconflict to the presidency and both Mexico and Canada will build a border fence of their own.

    It’s so simple, really.

  20. So is anyone else in the media paying attention to the way that Fox is controlling the message/image of how each of the candidates on the GOP side comes across as?

    It’s pretty obvious isn’t it?

    I mean Dancing with the Stars is rigged too isn’t it?

    • It’s really no different than when Tim Russert, at a Democratic Debate before the 2008 election, asked Dennis Kucinich if he indeed saw a UFO. It was TOTALLY meant to sink him.

      RUSSERT: Shirley MacLaine writes in her new book that you sighted a UFO over her home in Washington state, that you found the encounter extremely moving, that it was a triangular craft, silent and hovering, that you felt a connection to your heart and heard directions in your mind. Now, did you see a UFO?
      KUCINICH: Uh, I did. And the rest of the account. It was an unidentified flying object, OK? It’s like, it’s unidentified. I saw something. Now, to answer your question. I’m moving my, and I’m also going to move my campaign office to Roswell, New Mexico, and another one in Exeter, New Hampshire, OK? And also, you have to keep in mind that Jimmy Carter saw a UFO, and also that more people in this country have seen UFOs than I think approve of George Bush’s presidency.
      RUSSERT: Actually, four …
      KUCINICH: And so, wait. We’re just getting started here.
      RUSSERT: No, no. We have about 14 percent of Americans who say they’ve seen UFOs. I’m going to move …
      KUCINICH: What was the percentage?
      RUSSERT: Fourteen percent.
      KUCINICH: What was that percentage?
      RUSSERT: Fourteen.
      KUCINICH: Thank you.

  21. Quote of the Day:

    “If you can’t slap Mitt Romney silly for being a flip-flopping used car salesman, you can’t win the GOP presidential nomination.” — Matt Welch

  22. In case you haven’t see her doing any campaigning, Elizabeth Warren has more passion than you may have thought.

    The Great Progressive Hope:

  23. From TP:

    A Southern Baptist seminary president says that according to the Bible, capital punishment is pro-life. “The death penalty is not about retribution,” Albert Mohler, president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said in a podcast Sept. 22. “It is first of all about underlining the importance of every single human life.”

    Mohler, who has a Ph.D. in theology, said in Genesis 9, where capital punishment is mandated for murder, “it is precisely because the taking of one human life by another means that the murderer has effectively, morally and theologically, forfeited his own right to live.” “The death penalty is intended to affirm the value [and] sanctity of every single human life, and thus by the extremity of the penalty to make that visible and apparent to all,” Mohler said.

    Well, apparently not every single life, since the alleged killer waiting to be executed is still alive. What does the bible have to say about executing an innocent person? Anything?

  24. Found in the HuffPo comments.

    How Bill O’Rielly Works: Dr. Rosenbaum illustrate­s
    For years I taught reasoning and writing skills, and I find the deliberate adoption of unethical and fallacious argument, regardless of the perpetrato­r’s politics, as ugly as most people would obscene language, racism, or child beating. O’Reilly is not special. It seems as if neocons, even the fledglings­, go to some school that teaches them the techniques he uses:

    Put words in your opponent’s mouth, then attack those words;
    Attack imputed motives;
    Exaggerate opposing view, then attack the exaggerati­on;
    Characteri­ze a refusal to respond to provocatio­n as cowardice,
    admission of error, or stupidity;
    Interrupt, bully, and browbeat;
    Appeal to stereotypi­cal behavior as a way of solving real-world problems.
    Neocons do not believe in an essential principle of rational argument: fairness. We have seen, in the history of discourse, many instances of people who acted unfairly, but neocons are unique, I think, in their conscious rejection of fairness. They demand freedom of speech for themselves­, deny it for their opponents. They use unethical arguments and scream foul when it appears unethical arguments are being used against them. The ethics of having a consistent point of view and conceding adversaria­l points escape them. They have no compunctio­n about lying if facts don’t support their thesis.

    It is their rejection of the notion of fairness that makes them dangerous. Their obsession with the categorica­l, with black and white reasoning, is a weakness they hide by subverting attempts to address it.

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