Watering Hole: October 10, 2011 – Charter Schools and Tax Dollars

I know that today is Columbus Day, but I refuse to pay homage to that brutal killer.  Instead, I would like to share this mini documentary with you.  This is where tax dollars and religion meet… in Charter schools.

This video is copyrighted so I am providing a link.

This may surprise you.

This is our Open Thread.  Speak Up!

252 thoughts on “Watering Hole: October 10, 2011 – Charter Schools and Tax Dollars

  1. Michele Bachmann said yestweday that her fight against raising the federal debt ceiling kept her out of New Hampshire for the past four months, Two small problems – the debt ceiling was voted on August 2nd and Bachmann last visited the state June 28th.

  2. How did we become so backwards so fast?
    When I was in school, science was the basis for everything.
    If you couldn’t prove it scientifically, it was called fiction.
    Just like the Columbus myth.

  3. I can’t watch the whole video, it would suck up all the bandwidth my crappy internet provider allows me for the day, but I saw enough. If folks want to spend their own money to teach their kids that crap I reckon they can, but I don’t care to help pay for it.

    Remember how whenever there was tea party misbehavior, the tps swore it had to be a liberal plant? Check this out:
    http://my.firedoglake.com/cgrapski/2011/10/09/american-standard-editor-admits-to-being-agent-provacateur-at-d-c-museum/

  4. Arizona was one of the earlier charter school advocate states, and by the time my younger daughter was in HS they were all over the place. She was a student at one of the large public high schools in north Phoenix — Thunderbird — and all went reasonably well till she was a senior. She passed the AZ standardized test for graduation in the fall of her junior year, and was enjoying her science electives until she ran out of chemistry options in her senior year. In October of her senior year, she told me she was going to drop out of Thunderbird. After I caught my breath, I asked, calmly as I could, what her plans were to get her diploma. “I’m going to go to a charter school,” she said.

    She explained that she had already looked into everything (I should have known that) and that there was a highly computerized charter school a couple of miles from home, and that she could get in with no problem so long as I agreed and signed the papers, etc. We went over there the next day and did just that. They arranged for the records transfer from T-Bird, including to their surprise her standardized test scores, and by mid-November she was on her way. Despite the Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Years holiday days off, she knocked them dead and met all of her diploma qualifications (none of which involved having religious sand pounded into her head) by late January, after which she got a job, worked till September when she enrolled in Arizona State U. She was there a year, then moved to Colorado with her boyfriend, got married, and last May got her bachelor’s in chemistry (with high honors). She’s taking this year “off”, spends only four days per week at the University where she’s teaching 8 chemistry labs to undergraduates.

    Hers is one of the very few cases I’m aware of where attending a charter school proved to be the best option. It can happen, but not very often.

  5. Last time I looked separation of Church and State wasn’t about separating state funding from the sucker taxpayers to pay for Church stuff.

  6. Dear John,

    It is clear that for many of our members two websites would make things more difficult, so we are going to keep Netflix as one place to go for streaming and DVDs.

    This means no change: one website, one account, one password…in other words, no Qwikster.

    While the July price change was necessary, we are now done with price changes.

    We’re constantly improving our streaming selection. We’ve recently added hundreds of movies from Paramount, Sony, Universal, Fox, Warner Bros., Lionsgate, MGM and Miramax. Plus, in the last couple of weeks alone, we’ve added over 3,500 TV episodes from ABC, NBC, FOX, CBS, USA, E!, Nickelodeon, Disney Channel, ABC Family, Discovery Channel, TLC, SyFy, A&E, History, and PBS.

    We value you as a member, and we are committed to making Netflix the best place to get your movies & TV shows.

    Respectfully,

    The Netflix Team

    So putting this in perspective.

    They raised prices; nearly 50%.
    Then they decided to just split the company.
    Now they’ve decided not to split the company.

    Time for a new CEO in my opinion. This has been a public relations disaster. I was a happy and loyal Netflix customer. I’m looking for alternatives now.

    • We dropped everything except for one movie per week (about $8 per month). Netflix once was ideal, now it’s a pain in the wazoo. That sort of garbage usually does, indeed, start at the top, this time no exception.

      • I cut my DVD program from four-at-a-time to two because the new arrangement was overpriced. I see no reason to switch back because my new Comcast/TiVo/free HBO arrangement is already providing more content than I need.

  7. Jesus fucking christ, this video is pissing me off.

    I guess I never realized how organized the christbots are — and I thought they were pretty organized! It’s far worse than I thought.

    No wonder the coming generations are populated with holy rolling dumbasses.

    Cats, thank you for posting this.

    • My dufus nephew who is an Xian Fundie Nutcase, has his kids only color in the Coloring Book of the Apostles. Or Noah’s Animal Ark.

      Poor kids are being raised thinking the earth is 6,000 years old.
      He doesn’t realize he’s dooming them to a life of flipping burgers and washing dishes.
      Idiot.

      • When I run into those types and if a conversation should arise, I tell them that I’m a non-theist, one step beyond an atheist, but that I’m curious enough to still be interested … that all I’m looking for is one single shred of evidence that a god of some sort, any sort, exists. Period.

        So far, no response other than “we exist, therefore there has to be a god, a creator. Else how could the universe exist?” My Q followup is, “If everything in existence requires a creator, then where did the creator come from?”

        That’s good for the stink-eye followed by a nonsensical answer to the effect that the creator is eternal, has always been there. To point out that the same answer might easily apply to reality as well falls on deaf ears.

        I do feel sorry for children raised in that world, however. It’s rather like children who are raised in North Korea, only with a different twist.

        • Frugal,

          I believe that for some people, the concept of infinite space and infinite time are just too much for them to wrap their heads around. They simply can’t conceive of the fact that what we think of as “Space” or “the Universe” has always been there and always will be, no matter what happens in our tiny little part of it. They also find it hard to grasp the idea that Space goes on and on and on and on infinitely in all directions, without ever coming to an end.

          Then there’s the fact that we can perceive our surroundings in ways that (as far as we know) animals cannot. Because of this, people want to believe that there must be some purpose to our existence, and that it wasn’t just the random chance that we happened to live on a planet that was suitable for life such as ours to exist. We must be more special than the animals around us who don’t know from nothing, or so the thinking goes.

          And so, well, you know the rest…

          • I’ve long wondered why it is that people need cosmic help to grant them superiority while the animals that roam free amongst us simply ARE superior — and most know it, and none I’ve ever met bother with church.

            Mark Twain said it best:

            I have been studying the traits and dispositions of the lower animals (so-called), and contrasting them with the traits and dispositions of man. I find the result humiliating to me. . .;

            And . . .

            If man could be crossed with the cat it would improve man, but it would deteriorate the cat.

            Our cat, Shadow, quite obviously solves differential equations in her head as she gazes at the universe from the window. My advice to evangelicals, therefore, is simple: open your eyes, read more, and THINK for a change! Then get back with me. But clear it with Shadow first.

    • ohhhh, if that question could be asked at the next teapottier/repugnant party ‘debate’. None of the candidates could keep their mouth closed that long!
      (the question wouldn’t be asked and that guy would be hauled away by the gestapo goon squad “security”.

  8. I wonder how loud the screeching would be if people would take these school vouchers and use them at a charter madrassa?

  9. So if everything one needs to know is in the Bible, where did all the other stuff we have learned in the past 1,600 years come from? Since Gawd is the sole source of creation, it can’t come from the Debil. And since the US (or the rest of the world not mentioned in the Bible) aren’t mentioned in the Bible they must not exist. Things like gravity and scads of other sciency things are just figments of our imagination?

    No wonder fundies make me think of puppies with worms, expending massive amounts of energy trying to figure out why their butts itch.

    • I’m glad I’ll never take a history class with Newt as the teacher. He has a horrible understanding of History andof Historical Fact. I believe this is due to his insistence that the Truith is whatever he says the truth is, and facts to the contrary be damned.

      That’s how he can justify (in his mind, and to his soon-to-be-ex-wife) saying that Bill Clinton’s martial infidelities disqualify him from holding office while his own (Newt’s) do not, even to the third highest office in the land.

      As Newt typically does, he puts up straw man arguments to try to prove absurdity, when the only absuridty is the premise of his arguments. No court in the country would try to claim that 2+2=5, so why say that the SCOTUS would rule that way (which would have to be as the result of an appeal from a lower court.) As a non-lawyer, even I know that someone would have to prove to a judge that 2+2=5 before a judge could rule that it is so, and that can’t happen. So the SCOTUS would never say such a thing, and the entire premise of his argument falls apart. (Well, it might stand up logically in that a false premise implies anything.)

      That the SCOTUS has the final word on what the Constitution says is, as the lawyers say, “settled law.” But then he goes from a SCOTUS decision he didn’t like to one he ignored in the Pledge of Allegiance case, where the SCOTUS unanimously overturned the lower court’s ruling that he felt was wrong. (And, on a side note, I feel the SCOTUS was wrong.) He then compares that case to the Dred Scott case, as if there is anything remotely similar.

      Finally, in the third part, we hear him advocate the very theory that caused Southern states to secede from the Union and thus begin the worst war in American history. Which just shows he has a terrible grasp of history and of historical fact.

  10. The essence, the heart of societal control, particularly in the modern age, is the control of information. It is why the Right has dismantled things like regulation of ownership of media outlets in the past 30 years. They saw how an independent news media could interfere with authoritarian control in the 60’s and worked hard to bring that nuisance under control.

    Being reactionary Luddite types they thought that was enough and didn’t notice Al Gore sneaking the Intertubes past. They are trying to catch up but it seems that the tighter they try and draw control, the more things squish out on the sides.

    In some ways it is humorous watching them try to establish an authoritarian state in a country with a long history of belligerent independence. The US isn’t Russia or China where there are centuries of submissive people living under edict authority. We don’t have that tradition in our make up. The past 30 years have damaged that spirit but several great authoritarian entities have tried to cow America in the past believing we wouldn’t or couldn’t fight back. A few have come sort of close but while it may take getting shoved into a corner to make us fight back, when America does fight back, we tend not to piss around.

    • Has anyone ever noticed that it is always men who go and bomb abortion clinics? Or for that matter think that bombing things is the answer to any question? (except Ann Coulter and Liz Cheney of course.)

  11. Columbus Day – celebrating cross-channel trade for over 5 centuries:

    We gave ’em cholera and Jesus in that order… same effect.

    They gave us syphilis…..

  12. Quote of the Day:

    “I think what [Obama is] doing is articulating actually a pretty sensible center-ground position. I mean, look, I’ve been through all this, and I find a lot of this liberal critique of him just absurd. … This “what does he stand for?” idea. What he stands for is absolutely clear. He’s trying to lead America out of a very difficult economic situation, which every developed country in the world shares, by the way, and he’s trying to do it on the basis that’s fair,” – Tony Blair, cutting to the chase.

  13. The Republican Debate tomorrow night is only on Bloomberg TV, but it’s available online at The RTV, so the non-cable folks can play too. You might take a moment to verify the link works for you ahead of time. If not, and you find another site with live cable channels, let me know. Right now, I have TVPC, The RTv, and TVLynx.

  14. What is this, the 6th debate? And other than Tpaw being gone, what has changed? Has there been anything said or debated any differently in any of them? Even their little cat fights are pretty pathetic and can’t get past the crazy.

    • It will be interesting if the “Mormonism is a cult” subject arises – my guess is it won’t – that’s just for the news-feed fodder!
      I do predict, if he’s a participant, Huntsman will begin “When I was Gov. of Utah everything was perfect.”

    • According to the list the same elite eight are to attend.

      I think the debates are fun.

      KPOJ news is saying that Anonymous is threatening to delete the New York Stock Exchange from the internet. They’re also going to delete Facebook.

      The reason Anonymous is going to bring down facebook is because of their not so “private” settings and the current policy that they have in place that prevent’s the users to effectively erase their accounts.

      I guess I have to support them, since I have tried to delete a second account, which they don’t want you to have in the first place. And hey, if it screws with TP, so much the better!

      • house, I heard the rumor that Anonymous was going to blitz the NYSE and while it scares the living crap out of me, I also am hoping they succeed. So much of the world’s supposed wealth exists only as binary bits in the ether and yet it is used as a monstrous club against the people who actually work and produce things of value.

  15. The town of Centralia, PA has been on fire for almost fifty years:

    “The mines under the town—a vast network designed to tap the veins of purplish anthracite coal that spread weblike throughout the county—have been burning since 1962. … The town grew so warm that some residents no longer needed to turn on their basement hot-water heaters. Toxic plumes erupted, tree roots turned to ash, vegetables roasted on their stalks.

    The earth became unstable, and yawning holes opened into underground pits without warning: in 1981, twelve-year-old Todd Domboski fell into a sulfurous 150-foot-deep maw that appeared suddenly in his grandmother’s backyard, narrowly escaping incineration by grabbing onto a tree root. Efforts to stop the flames—clay seals to cut off oxygen, slurry pumped into the honeycombed caverns—proved useless. In the eighties, the federal government began relocating the town’s remaining population, razing their homes and shutting down a segment of the highway that had erupted. The fire may burn for another 250 years, encompassing 3,700 acres, before it runs out of fuel.”

    http://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2011/10/03/american-inferno/

  16. A bit of sanity returns

    New law bans open carry of handguns in state

    SACRAMENTO — The state will become the fifth in the nation to prohibit openly carrying handguns in public after Gov. Jerry Brown announced early Monday he had signed the ban into law amid heavy opposition from gun enthusiasts.

    “Main Street California is not the Old West, and you don’t need a gun to buy a cheeseburger,” Portantino (Assemblyman) said.

  17. “In my years as an evangelical conservative lawyer and activist, I have learned (and lived) the painful reality that we evangelicals are all too often no better – and sometimes much worse – than the very people we seek to convert. If God’s strength is truly made perfect in weakness, then we surely give God many occasions to show his power. The gracious gift of knowledge of God and relationship with Him should fill us with humility – not arrogance. In short, self-identification as evangelical should be irrelevant in presidential politics – neither an asset nor a liability. When voting for president, we should judge candidates by their competence, character, and ideas,” – David French.

    Amen, brother.

  18. Herman Cain should probably not cite his success at Godfather’s Pizza when touting job creation. In a 14-month period, he reduced the number of store locations from 911 to 420. Of course, corporate profits increased, and that’s all that matters.

    • He could have reduced them to zero and I would never have noticed. Never tried a Godfather’s Pizza. Not sure I ever even saw one of their stores. I would (and do) feel bad for the former employees, however, a factoid which I think proves I’m not a Republican. Thank all gods.

  19. Our Gov. has been very busy:

    GOVERNOR BROWN TAKES ACTION TO BOOST PUBLIC HEALTH

    one is

    AB 499 into law, providing teens with increased access to STD prevention services

    (yes the xtian fundies and Catholics are apoplectic – spewing the falsehoods that said vaccine is pure poison. They cite no studies – nor do they seem to read the CDC reports on the safety of the vaccines)

    • If God didn’t want people to suffer from STD’s why would He create them? If you get the clap, you are supposed to piss barbed wire for the rest of your natural life.

      • A fellow I once worked with was, in his younger years, a microbiologist when he was in the military stationed in Biloxi MS. He said that one day he’d diagnosed a good ol’ boy Redneck from down that way with gonorrhea for the third time; the guy’s reaction was a shrug, a frown, and “Hmmh. Seems lahke ever time ah fucks Marie ah gits the clap.”

        I don’t know if the redneck was evangelical or not. Microbiology doesn’t get that detailed.

  20. From the “we can’t make this stuff up” department.

    Robert Jefress, the guy who called Mittens’ church a cult, really needs to start thinking about what he says.

    “Mormonism is not Christianity,” Jeffress declared…“Do we want a candidate who is a good moral person, or do we want a candidate who is a born-again follower of Jesus Christ?”

    • Ooo, ooo, I know that one! Good moral person because the other smacks of some sort of religious test for office which is definitely unconstitutional!

      Am I smarter than a 5th grader yet?

    • (raising hand) I know. I know. Good moral person (an atheist preferably).

      Jefress is the proof no, one and only, God exists. He’d be very embarrassed at being represented by such a fool.

      • Yeah, the way he phrased his question makes “good moral person” and “born again follower” sound mutually exclusive, which they frequently are.

        • In FundyLand one cannot be moral without Jeebus. Unless you swear to be a slave, you can’t understand morality. And if you do swear, you probably won’t understand it because the essence of swearing fealty is giving over responsibility for your thought processes to some other source.

          So, a moral person and a born again fundy xtian are truly incompatible.

        • I have long thought that anyone who depends on an external construct to justify their morality is fundamentally incapable of being truly moral. I have found, in a life longer than many, that treating others well is reciprocated and I’ve never had the slightest urge to do all the awful things that fundamentalists claim they would do if they weren’t afraid of eternal damnation.

    • What if the words of Jesus were misinterpreted from the start?
      He may well have been referring to reincarnation for all we know.
      In other words, spend the rest of this lifetime following the teachings of compassion, brotherhood, sharing and freedom from greed, and you’ll have a head start the next time around…

      • I wouldn’t say that is a misinterpretation. That is pretty much what he did say and the churches have spent the past 1,600 years denying it.

        • Perhaps I was imagining his contemporaries as impatient reactionaries who wanted to be free of the occupying establishment, and wanting it now.

      • The God described in the Bible makes it pretty clear that we cannot comprehend him. I try to live by the words of Jesus as much as I can, based on my limited understanding and the fog of time between he and I. It would be a pretty crappy God who only gave us only one path to the joy we experience from compassion, brotherhood, sharing and freedom from greed, no matter what, if any, reward awaits us when this life has passed.

        • He would also set some of the worst of the false prophets on fire or turn them into pillars of salt or, at the very least, send a few frogs or locusts to torment them. In fact; the stuff that some of the worst of the fundamentalists get away with is one of the main reasons I find it impossible to Believe in a God anything like the Bible describes. He might just be busy with events in other parts of the universe, it’s a very big universe even for a Supreme Being, but they wouldn’t get away with it if He were hanging around and paying attention.

    • I would also say that Mittens, who will pander to ANYBODY who might vote for him or finance his campaign, isn’t a terribly “good, moral, person”. Strength of conviction and suffering for doing the right thing are prerequisites.

  21. As an addendum to my guest post the other day (and thanks to all for the comments), the Legend of Jesus clearly states that this world is crap. And that the only things you can do in this world that count in the next is to be compassionate, to treat your fellow travelers well, to embrace love for mankind and all of God’s creation. There are no rewards in this world, they are all in the next one.

    And then the Holy Church put a statue of the most prominent misogynist to date, with a sword as a gatekeeper to the third most holy church in Christendom.

    Jesus died on the cross. So did his message.

  22. Just for the sake of silliness:

    DumpBachmann has clips of Dick Morris interviewing Batscat Bachmann. I didn’t even last a full minute but the screen grab raises an interesting question. Is Crazy Shelly slowly lightening her hair for an upcoming FAUX”News” gig? I’m hardly an expert on hair but it looks like the highlights are becoming the background color.

    http://www.dumpbachmann.com/2011/10/dick-morris-interviews-michele-bachmann.html

  23. According to my local news, DC Park Police are offering to extend Occupy DC’s permit for another four months, the existing permit expired today.

  24. Did you know Peter had bionic hearing? Really. He heard a cock crow in Jerusalem, 3 times. Odd thing is fowl were banned from Jerusalem. For good reason. Can you imagine someone raising chickens in downtown DC?

  25. I’m thinking I need to do another guest post on Fathers. Feels weird writing posts that are somewhat religious in nature when I’m about as religious as a rock.

  26. Noah Shachtman scoops a mysterious new threat:

    “A computer virus has infected the cockpits of America’s Predator and Reaper drones, logging pilots’ every keystroke as they remotely fly missions over Afghanistan and other warzones. …

    The virus, first detected nearly two weeks ago by the military’s Host-Based Security System, has not prevented pilots at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada from flying their missions overseas. Nor have there been any confirmed incidents of classified information being lost or sent to an outside source. But the virus has resisted multiple efforts to remove it from Creech’s computers, network security specialists say. And the infection underscores the ongoing security risks in what has become the U.S. military’s most important weapons system.”

    http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/virus-hits-drone-fleet/all/1

      • If Predators are running Windows, the whole world should be scared. Mostly the American hierarchy.

        This couldn’t be a problem with the idea of a single company monopolizing an industry for the sake of profit that has been harassed and hounded by every two bit hacker?

        • Indeed. I feel a chill every time I see a picture of a military computer running windows. For that matter, I would bet that some are still running some version of DOS.

  27. The million and billions poured into ‘National Security” – and they can’t be bothered to encrypt the photos from drone to ground control?

  28. Granted a very small polling; however, 0% for the “Utah was perfect when I was Governor”?

    (WaPo / Bloomberg)

    Romney – 24%
    Cain – 16%
    Perry – 13%
    Paul – 6%
    Bachmann – 4%
    Gingrich – 3%
    Santorum – 1%
    Huntsman – 0%
    Undecided – 29%

    Survey of 391 Republicans and Repbulican-leaners was conducted Oct 6-9 with a margin of error of +/-6%.

  29. Clooney love…

    “I’m disillusioned by the people who are disillusioned by Obama, quite honestly, I am,” he said on ABC News Now’s “Popcorn with Peter Travers” before today’s release of “The Ides of March.”Democrats eat their own. Democrats find singular issues and go, ‘Well, I didn’t get everything I wanted.’ I’m a firm believer in sticking by and sticking up for the people whom you’ve elected.

    “If he was a Republican running, because Republicans are better at this,” Clooney continued, “they’d be selling him as the guy who stopped 400,000 jobs a month from leaving the country. They’d be selling him as the guy who saved the auto-industry. If they had the beliefs, they’d be selling him as the guy who got rid of ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,’ who got Osama bin Laden. You could be selling this as a very successful three years.”

  30. If any writer is immortal, I think it would be Willy. Almost every movie made today that has any success in the box office is based, even loosely, on one of his plays. In 38 plays he managed to deal with just about every situation mankind could find itself in and in a manner that actually explained how to deal with it. Myself, I have read some 5 of them and saw one performed at Stratford-on-Avon.

    While I can’t come up with a bardic quote for any situation I can say

    To be or not to be.
    That is the question.
    Whether tis nobler in the hearts and minds of men
    to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous publicity
    Or to take arms against a sea of idiots
    and by opposing them to die. To sleep.
    No more–and by a sleep to say we end
    The heartache, and the thousand natural shocks
    That flesh is heir to. ‘Tis a consummation
    Devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep–
    To sleep–perchance to dream: ay, there’s the rub,
    For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
    the dreams of power. The dreams of money
    what speaks man in his dreams
    a love of life, a love of family, a love of woman
    What man speaks of power but he who knows
    none of the dreams of a man who learns love?
    At his mam’s knee, at his pap’s side
    what man can strive for power when he has known love?

    To embrace and hold power is to deny the very heart
    To demand service comes from the weak
    To embrace luxury while others strive
    presents a heart without heart.

    No traveler bears this, no man of the field tills this
    No king bears a crown lest those beneath will bear it.
    Mankind dies without the words of man
    spoken freely, without let or coercion.

    To be or not to be is not a question
    To not be is a death that humankind has never suffered
    To be is the clarion call of all
    To stand for what is best, to put the question of what
    Into the dustbin of history
    And stand for the worth of man

    Today, it is to be.

  31. So, I should maybe challenge all Zoosters and Critters to post like the Bard. Mostly because I love Shakespeare and it would be so fun to read what everyone could post to bring the words of Willy to today.

  32. The quality of mercy is not strained.
    It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
    Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest:
    It blesseth him that gives and him that takes.
    Tis mightiest in the mightiest; it becomes
    The throned monarch better than his crown.
    His scepter shows the force of temporal power,
    The attribute to awe and majesty,
    Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings.
    But mercy is above this sceptered sway;
    It is enthroned in the hearts of kings;
    It is an attribute of God himself;
    And earthly power doth then show like God’s
    When mercy seasons justice.

    Pure Shakespeare is like pure Irish whiskey.. I speaks to the tongue, the heart, the mind and the soul. The only reason Shakespeare didn’t rule the world is because he thought it a silly thing. Say what you will about Napoleon and any other political figure, Willy knew more about people and government and ruling than any human who has ever breathed. He just never had a spin doctor to make him Emperor.

  33. This is not meant to denigrate the Immortal Bard but…

    Like all great story tellers and wordsmiths he stole from the best. Many of his themes were borrowed from Greek tragedies and other sources which were based on earlier tales in turn. The human condition really hasn’t changed so very much and story tellers capture a moment in the human experience. Fear, greed, lust, honor, altruism; none have changed since before the invention of the written word.

    • I looked on all the works that my hands had wrought, and on the
      labour that I had laboured to do: and, behold, all was vanity and
      vexation of spirit, and there was no profit under the sun.
      Solomon, Ecclesiastes (King James version)

    • Now that’s what it is ALL about! It’s growing and Faux has egg on its face thinking it was a small group of rich ex-hippies that would go away very quickly.

  34. We all know that inSeannity can talk tough when browbeating someone he thinks he can dominate but I would Loooooove to see him invite either or both of these guys on his show. I enjoy watching flop sweat roll down the face of a coward.

    • BTW. I seriously doubt that any reliable witness could name a time that President Obama “mumbled”. Just because Batscat can’t understand or doesn’t like what someone says doesn’t make it “mumbling”.

      • The sad part is that this is coherent by her standards. At least she didn’t say “going forward” a dozen times while whining about “looking back to the Founders”. She, and her worshipers, can’t seem to understand that going forward while looking back is a good way to walk off a cliff. Of course, she’s such a colossal moron that we can’t assume that she knows the meaning of any particular word. She just has a visceral reaction to anything she thinks sounds scary and then she tries to convince others to be as scared, confused, and outraged as she is.

  35. As the protest on Wall Street enters its fourth week, police officers are keeping their posts around the perimeter of the park at the center of it all. And with no end in sight, the cost of constant police surveillance will continue to rise at a time when Mayor Michael Bloomberg has ordered citywide budget cuts.

    What was/is the Repugnant/Teapottier’s cry: “Freedom isn’t Free”?

    Too damn bad Bloomberg – what’s going on there is Democracy – suck it up and pay for it!

  36. Funniest thing I heard today.

    Congressman says no same-sex marriage for military

    The chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, Rep. Buck McKeon, a Republican from California’s 25th District, says if the Senate installs “gay marriage” for the military in the upcoming Defense Authorization Act, he would just as soon not have the legislation.

    Rachel summed it up this way, that McKeon will block all funding for the Pentagon, unless it also comes with a new anti-gay marriage law.

    Please, Brer Fox, please don’t throw me into that briar patch!

    • (uh oh an escapee from the nut farm. He would be from CA, damn)

      What is it with the Repubs that they don’t like their first names:

      ‘Buck” is actually Howard McKeon.

      “Mittens is” Willard.

      pRick is James.

      • And “Pat” Robertson is Marion. I always like that one because one would think that a Bible thumper would take the whole bit about honoring parents to heart. I can’t imagine many things more disrespectful than rejecting the name one’s parents chose.

  37. One more from the “you can’t make this shit up” file before bed.

    I turned on the radio for some “white noise” as I fall asleep and actually heard a caller refer to the OWS protestors as “socialist anarchists”! The stupid burns but I’ll drift off with a smile.

    G’night again.

      • The stunning thing, to me, is that these people are stuck in a terrifying and potentially deadly situation, but they fully expect that rescuers will put themselves in the same situation to rescue them. Entitlement much?

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