Watering Hole: Monday, December 5, 2011 – Double Vision

Stumbled upon this juggling act and thought it would be an upbeat way to start the work week.  Enjoy.

This is our Open Thread.  What do you think?  Speak Up!

205 thoughts on “Watering Hole: Monday, December 5, 2011 – Double Vision

  1. Newt’s best cultural message, harking back to the bucolic 1950s, designed to aim directly at seniors and all those somewhat discombobulated by a multicultural America and a biracial president:

    • Working together? REALLY Neut? Like the Republican’ts have been ‘working together’ with the current administration? BTW, shouldn’t that blonde white girl in the flower store be home in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant? Is she going to get your attention as the fourth, or is it fifth Mrs Gingrich? Huh Neut?

      P.S. I particularly liked the cattle round up! How folksy!

    • I’ve got a saccharin aftertaste in my mouth.

      Working together? When it was Newt that brought the language of divisiveness to DC?

  2. This year’s halftime Super Bowl performance will be by (in my best Robin Williams voice)…..

    Madonna! Madonna! Madonna!

    Wait, is it 1985?

  3. Sane Conservative Watch:

    Jon Huntsman, appearing on Fox News this morning, responded to Donald Trump. “I’m not going to kiss his ring, and I’m not going to kiss any other part of his anatomy,” Huntsman said. “This is exactly what is wrong with politics. It’s show business over substance. … The presidency of the United States of America is more important than these silly game shows and reality shows.”

    • Which is why Mr. Huntsman hasn’t a prayer in hell’s chance of winning the loony bin contest otherwise known as the Republican’t nomination…

    • Huntsman’s spokesperson tells ThinkProgress, “You’ll be surprised to find out that it’s Mr. Trump who is not telling the truth. We never requested a meeting. We are focused on issues that matter not presidential apprentice.”


  4. From TPM this AM, (licking chops)

    Nancy Pelosi to TPM: “One of these days we’ll have a conversation about Newt Gingrich. I know a lot about him. I served on the investigative committee that investigated him, four of us locked in a room in an undisclosed location for a year. A thousand pages of his stuff.”

    Bring it on, Nancy!

  5. A Fox, You Decide poll about abolishing the Post Office. Those in favor are about 55%, those opposed (to abolishing) about 37%.

    The comments are amazing. Here’s one:

    toledojim 8 minutes ago
    The post office should have been privatized years ago, but, again, it was another social experiment, providing jobs for Vets returning from Viet Nam, that had good intentions but fell inot disray because of the governments tinkering and the inability to manage the costs. The post office serves a valuable function and just like publlic transportation has to be modified to fit the times. The real problem is that there isn’t any leadership available to do what needs to be done to revamp the process.

    Fortunately someone pointed out it was a social experiment started in the late 1700’s (aka the constitution) and not the 1960’s. Of course, I also find it funny that he complains that the government tinkers with it. Because it’s a government agency perhaps? How can you debate people that are simply ignorant?

    Here’s another, racist response:

    Affirmative action has killed the post office. Minorities are placed ahead of more competent applicants. They are scored ahead intentionally. That is why you have so many employees that milk the system and don’t work, it is a complete sham

    Here’s a great one. I never knew that the USPS was allowed to give campaign donations.

    The USPS needs to quit donating Billions of Dollars to the Democrats for Campain funds. Also quit paying Big Salaries and Bonus to to Top People and especially those that do nothing. Also the Unions are destroying Produciveth. We need to start over some where, although Dictatership is almost in control, Wake Up America.


    • I bet the Democrats didn’t know they were getting billions of dollars in donations from anyone, much less the Postal Service.

      I love this “privatize” notion. Except, well, no business wants to provide delivery service everywhere in the country, all the way to the tiniest rural community for 45¢.

      Does a single one of these morans know that the USPS does not receive tax dollars? Or that they’d be in much better financial shape if Congress had allowed them to make significant changes years ago? Like, oh, to eliminate Saturday service?

  6. Poor Mittens. He sooooo wants to be crazy enough to win the nomination but is over matched. He is coming closer though.

    The EPA wants to be able to get in and grab more power and basically try and move the whole economy away from oil, gas, coal, nuclear and push it into the renewables. Look, we all like the renewables. But renewables alone are not going to power this economy. And yeah, I would, among other things, I would get the EPA out of its effort to manage carbon dioxide emissions from automobiles and trucks. Look, that was not a pollutant within the meaning of the legislation that authorized the EPA. It is of all the agencies in Washington, it is the one most being used by this President to try and hold down, crush and insert the federal government into the life of the private sector.


    • Every time one of these rocket scientists makes the statement that CO2 isn’t a pollutant they should be required to do the bag test. Take one plastic garbage bag, black preferred because no one really wants to watch, pull it over their head and seal it snuggly around their neck. Have someone check back in 30 minutes to see if they have the same answer.

      This is similar to the waterboarding isn’t torture test. Stick your head in the kitchen sink, face up with the faucet over your mouth. Turn the water on while holding your mouth open, towel optional. Again, have someone check back with you in 5 minutes.

  7. I don’t know why this didn’t strike me before.

    While I was inserting the link in my last post it occurred to me that we do a better job of citing sources than the MSM, not to mention FAUX”News”, does. It’s pretty sad that people chatting among friends have more journalistic integrity than most journalists.

  8. What tends to get me is this expectation that the post office must operate as a break-even entity. There’s no requirement for that in the constitution. Similarly, there’s no requirement that the military operate as a break-even entity.

    Some functions of government are not profitable. Which is why they are functions of government.

    • I think the reality is that USPS has a unionized labor force. That alone makes it evil and prompts all sorts of stupid assumptions and claims. None of these twits ever acknowledges the impact of e-mail, online bill pay and banking … the only things that show up in my mailbox these days are junk mail and red envelopes. I haven’t actually used a stamp for six months or more, maybe a lot more.

      • Our postmistress swears this is the real issue, unions and decent benefits. She believes some want to open little storefront POs in Walmart and such and staff them with minimum wage workers. As to privatize, what of the rural customer who may be much farther away from a shipping store than from a post office? Heck, where I live UPS leaves our packages at the post office.

        • The Postal service is the oldest ‘socialist’ program in America. It was socialist before socialism even existed. Therefore it has to be denigrated and eliminated to provide a clean New World Order where all aspects of socialism have to be removed from America. Profit ueber alles. America can only be truly free when we have to pay for everything.

    • If I remember correctly; the USPS is forbidden from making a profit. That being said; they could raise the price of a first class stamp to $1.00, ensure solvency for the foreseeable future, and still provide their service at a fraction of the cost of using a private shipping company. Alas, the Reichwhiners insist on calling a price increase a “tax increase” and refuse to even consider the idea.

      • I think the thing a lot of people overlook about the post office is that they serve a legal function that cannot be accomplished through email or other electronic media or parcel delivery companies..
        Try sending a registered letter by email.

        • Indeed. There’s an old trick of sending oneself a copy of a copyrighted work to establish ownership of intellectual property that isn’t official unless one uses the USPS.

          • Not to mention all those letters to Santa that proved, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus!

    • It’s very evident to me which of these women took science/biology in school, which girls had never thought about it, and which girls are too dumb to tie their own shoes.

      In that vein, I think driver’s ed shouldn’t be taught in schools. Let’s just let teens decide for themselves what the rules of the road are.

    • I think we should also teach atheism in churches. Since most of these gals agree that kids should be taught both sides of every issue, then they should all be presented with the theory that God doesn’t exist. Right?

    • I was surprised at the number of ladies who said yes evolution should be taught and expressed reasonable support for their thoughts. The idea of equal time is sort of weird. Creationism and religion are generally taught in the family and starts about the time a kid is out of diapers. By the time a child reaches a grade where evolution would be taught, they already have some 6-8 years of religious creationism under their belts.

      Schools shouldn’t teach any religion until at least high school when it could come under the umbrella of comparative religions.

    • I could watch only 2 1/2 minutes of this before I shut it down. This was the Miss Inarticulate Airhead pageant, wasnt it? Several of the contestants don’t stand a chance, as they were almost able to say stuff like “like the big bang’..

    • Quick, name 5 beauty queen pageant types who have had a major impact on American life! Or 5 you can remember for any reason.

    • Evolution is science, has nothing to do with ‘belief’; by all means, teach it and teach it appropriately. Religion/creationism has nothing to do with science, only with belief; keep it out of schools, period.

    • Aside from the fact that all of them seem to have bought into this whole “let the students make up their own minds” crap, that’s endlessly spouted by people who are habitually wrong and/or lying, two things really stood out.

      1. The number of them who claimed that they weren’t taught about evolution or are too effing stupid to realize that their biology class was about, among other things, evolution.

      2. The fact that not a single one of them was willing to risk offending the judges by giving the right answer. I don’t think it should be too hard to come up with something like: “the theory of evolution should be taught in schools because modern biology is founded on evolutionary theory and there are no other valid theories that explain the diversity of life and the relationships between diverse organisms”.

      • Religious beliefs (among others) are taught at home. Things like science, math, english, you know, the factual stuff, are taught in school.

        • Yep. And way before we had schools the wealthiest of parents would hire tutors of diverse backgrounds and poorer parents would apprentice their children, at least the male children, so that they would learn things their parents didn’t know. A “liberal education” was a status symbol and a path to greatness. Nowadays, if one told the average Reich-wing rube that one was going to give their children a “liberal education”? Said rubes would probably shoot you and/or run screaming from the room looking for an exorcist.

  9. We really don’t need to know much more than:

    Missler is a prominent Christian Zionist[3] with ties to the Patriot movement.

    “Authored” Books:

    Cosmic Codes: Hidden Messages From the Edge of Eternity. Koinonia House. 2004.

    Hidden Treasures in the Biblical Text. Koinonia House. 2000.

    • This is the kind of clown that left unridiculed goes off and does something to set back the enlightenment of mankind by a century all by himself….. like say, the Mor(m)on chruch.

    • It is interesting that neither dinosaurs not prehistoric mammals are mentioned in the Bible. Both have extensive remains that prove they did exist. But the Bible does refer to giants and angels. Neither has any remains to claim veracity.

      This says two things. Six thousand years ago both dinosaurs and prehistoric mammals did not exist in the sandspit of the Middle East. Wild imaginations, whether drug induced or from excess exposure to hot sun, did exist.

      • Damn right – I mean they started lopping the end of each others’ willies off….. too much sun that’s what i think.

        • Circumcision may have been started by insecure fathers who wanted to insure their son’s willys were shorter than theirs?

          • Scene from the first circumcision:

            1st Israelite – “Your monotheistic, invisible god-being told you to do *what*?”
            2nd Israelite – “No f***ing way Abraham, I’m off to Gomorrah, Happy Hour is getting underway soon – see ya”

            • So Israel must translate to willy and Israelite is lite willy? No wonder they are so sensitive and porky.

            • A doctor, a Priest, and a scientist are asked, “why does the penis have a head?”

              The doctor answers: “it’s designed to optimize stimulation and ensure orgasm”.

              The priest says; “it’s created to seal the vagina and ensure the best chance of creating a baby”.

              The scientist says; “it evolved to prevent one’s hand from slipping off and breaking one’s glasses”.

      • Many myths are easily explained by “tripping” whether intentional or not. Why generations of seemingly sober people then adopt those drug fueled myths is harder to explain but “garbage in, garbage out” is pretty encompassing.

  10. QOTD:

    “One time we were having sex, and I was looking up at the ceiling, thinking about, ‘What am I going to buy at the grocery store tomorrow? What am I going to do with my kids tomorrow?'” – Ginger White on The Hermanator Experience.

  11. Modern Republicans are totally about being victims. They are all about passive aggressive. They are selling how rich people are the victims. And the not so rich who are the victims whine to protect their masters.

  12. And now for something totally different…a short jaunt into the future. Wealthy Americans visit a quality restaurant. “Yes, monsieur, and how do you want your money prepared? Baked? Broiled? Ah no, poached to perfection. A bed of hundred dollar bills, poached lightly with a salad of fifties dressed in artificial raspberry sauce. And for desert, a wrap of twenties, liberally covered with a creme du brule?”

    And excellent choice.

      • In the 16th century Spain and Portugal amassed a fortune in silver and gold from the New World. They enjoyed a period of power due to this influx of wealth. Today they are barely third rate players. Hell, they became 3rd rate players in the 18th century.

        I’m not sure what genius it was who originally said it but the fact is you can’t eat money. You can accumulate a shitpot full of it but it is still money. It ain’t potatoes. If a person has millions of dollars and no potatoes, well I hope they get some nutritional value from the money.

        • The truly odd aspect of the power structure is that they feel that Americans can only rely on their factory operations. If WalMart can’t supply cheap whatever, America collapses. If factory farms can’t supply cheap food, America collapses.

          They are getting nervous now because America is slowly shifting away from factory cheap to local. They thought they bought our souls and found they only bought a pile of crap.

  13. I’m finally done, and the sun is setting behind the cloud layer.

    Time for me to unplug and get down the road. I’ll be back online sometime tomorrow — at least that’s what the internet company has promised.

    Goodnight, all.

  14. Thom Hartmann eviscerated Bryan Fisher, of the American Family Association, and the poor freak didn’t even realize it. I get annoyed with Thom when he blabbers about “evangelical atheists” but i like him when he unloads on a real creep like Fisher.

  15. “The Gerbil Song”

    Will your nest egg be sufficient, when there’s no more air to breathe?
    Will your gold card buy you water that’s free of PCB’s?
    Sperm counts getting lower, let’s raid the college fund
    And bet it on the market cause the bull is on a run

    We’ll build for the future we destroyed

    Grubbing for a dollar, like a bloodhound on a scent
    Trying to build capital, regretting what we spent
    Building bigger mansions, or are they gilded tombs?
    We’ll search for our salvation, among the empty rooms

    While we build for a future we destroyed

    Build for a future we destroyed

    The future we destroyed

  16. I’m thinking that the only thing the Republicans can destroy about America is the crap they have built. Which would be a good thing. The average American is still going to stand for themselves and their neighbors. Screw the corporates.

  17. “Fleet of Ferraris ruined in Japan sportscar pileup

    An outing of luxury sportscar enthusiasts in Japan ended in an expensive freeway pileup — smashing a stunning eight Ferraris, a Lamborghini and two Mercedes likely worth more than $1 million together.”

  18. I saw something similar to this on a bumper sticker once. (Please Pardon my bumper sticker wisdom – I don’t want to be like Sarah Palin):

    Only when the last fish has been caught and the last tree has been cut down will we realize that we cannot eat money.

  19. The truly interesting thing about all this is history. We can get as aroused as we like over the inequities and raise as much hell as we want. It might accelerate things a bit but not much.
    The thing is this has all happened before. Rich folks have claimed superiority. Wealth has been shifted up. Poor people have been screwed. This is a repeating pattern of history. The rich get blind, the poor get fucked. Been happening for over 2,000 years.

    One would think man would figure this out and realize it is a bad thing but hey, man is essentially stupid and greedy. Its the Bell curve thing. Only a small portion of humanity will actually figure things out while the other small portion will figure out to make a buck off of it.

    Until humanity figures out that politics and religion are designed to keep us trapped in this ridiculous cycle, we will remain in the ridiculous cycle. Your country isn’t any different than mine and your religion is just as silly as mine. One statement that humans have spent 2,000 years ignoring and will suffer until they accept it.

  20. “Newt Gingrich reacted to Nancy Pelosi’s reminder to America that he was slapped with a $300,000 ethics violation by the House in the 1990s about as you’d expect: he accused Pelosi of violating ethics rules herself, and threatened to bring her up on charges.”

    Repugnant/teapottiers use subterfuge so often they think Democrats would…Nancy is surprising Newtie, with public records – now what is the puff marshmallow man going to do?

  21. Politics and big business totally defines America. Always has. America has a long history of sucking up to both of those entities. For two hundred years Americans have absolutely backed their political parties. And they are all about supporting big business. Never once thought that unions had a point.

    Repubs, just keep selling that stuff. Americans toe the line, follow orders, behave like nice little robots when someone tells them to. Just what is the difference between big business orders and union stands? Oh yeah, unions don’t order. Bring it on, Repubs Your bosses or the people…sell it.

  22. The truly hilarious part is that a handful of rich people think they are going to dictate to and control some 300 million Americans. I look forward to the antics.

  23. This is interesting, an earth like planet, and only 600 light years away!
    At a little over twice the size of Earth, we can imagine the inhabitants to be pretty stout.
    Elephantine porcupines, cats the size of cows, and gargantuan whales hunting the 12 foot tall humanoids to the brink of extinction. Who says karma has to be local?

    • Religious nut cases all over the world will of course fail to ponder the impact of this discovery – that the existence of a deity and his preoccupation with the personal habits of a sporadically ascendant ape-like being on a small, blue-green watery world becomes more unfeasible the more similar blue-green watery worlds there seem to be elsewhere….

      …. the fundamental arrogance of religion is exposed by religious reaction to these kinds of discoveries. Galileo had the same problem – as earth and mankind are demonstrated to be less and less central to the reality of the universe, the more ridiculous religion seems to be.

  24. They are crawling out of the woodwork:

    Former VP Dan Quayle To Endorse Mitt Romney

    Does this generation even know who the hell Dan Q. is?

  25. pete, have you checked MMfA yet this evening?

    The wing nuts are all atwitter:

    Right-wing media are once again attacking President Obama over his vacations, this time for planning a “staggering” 17-day holiday trip to Hawaii. But vacations of that length are not unprecedented; President Reagan took a 25-day vacation in August 1983, and President George W. Bush took 27-day and 25-day vacations in August 2001 and August 2002, respectively.

    • Yeah. I saw that one. Then i got pissed because even MMfA seems to shy away from calling inSeannity a “liar” so I’ve been randomly reading Wikipedia and listening to raucous rock music.

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