The Watering Hole: Wednesday, June 20, 2012: Does it really Matter?

Ok, so for the next few months, if you’re in a “swing” State, you’ll be inundated with SuperPAC commercials designed to get you to vote against your own best interests. We will also be systematically bombarded with messages from the Mainstream Media designed to influence our thinking.


If the Powers That Be really want Obama out, all they have to do is raise gas prices to about $5.00/gallon. Instead, gas prices are going down, heading into the summer vacation season. That’s not to say they won’t go up between now and the election – but they are an accurate predictor of where our economy will head. So, pay attention to the pump, not the talking heads.

Ok, that’s my $0.0199 cents. And you?



115 thoughts on “The Watering Hole: Wednesday, June 20, 2012: Does it really Matter?

  1. BnF, wouldn’t it have been shorter to list the topics this entry wasn’t posted in?

    Well, I’ve watched parts of two nights of Joy Behar subbing for Eliot Spitzer now. I doubt if I’ll watch the show in the fall. Last night, she had Janeane Garofalo and Craig Crawford on to start, followed by author Thomas Frank. OK, so far, but then the second half of the show was total Larry King, the undead. Rielle Hunter has a reality show, Charlie Sheen, Lindsay Lohan, Woody Allen, one of the Baldwins, and some self-help guy. Didn’t work for Larry, isn’t working for Piers, and Joy’s grating voice doesn’t help either. She’s kind of halfway between Nancy Grace and Judge Judy now. Maybe it’s too late for the tea and honey treatment.

    Speaking of voices, Rachel Maddow said she had laryngitis last week. She took the week off, and is back sounding fine. I have to give Cenk Uygur credit though, he worked through a week where he sounded terrible, but he hung in there. Rachel might have, too, if it were closer to the election. News kind of slowed down after the Wisconsin recall election, so I thought she was just getting in a week of PTO before the campaigns hit the stretch run.

    Shuster is on today for Bill Press too.

  2. If the propaganda commercials are on their way then it is time to throw out the TV. We stopped TV service over one year ago and we don’t miss it. The best part is we won’t have to see the political commercials.

      • If you have a printer/fax at home, plug that into the land line. It won’t phase the robo-calls, but people will stop calling you.

        • Ah, I see the need for adaptive technology for the robo call to connect to a printer or fax and print out the message.

      • My landline is the source for my Internet connection so I can’t get rid of it. We do use caller ID so we can filter the calls. Another idea is to turn off the ringer and not answer the phone. We can check it periodically for messages.

        • I finally stopped answering my dad’s phone. He gets so many robo calls from his various rightwing nutjobs that I just said, “fuck it.” Anyone I might want to talk to has my cell number, or they can leave a message and I’ll call them. I can’t imagine how many calls he’ll be getting once the election really gets going.

  3. I’m so freakin’ sick of/from politics-Amurkan-style that I’ve almost reached the point of running from it rather than paying any attention. It’s the constant lying, more than anything else. I honestly never in my nearly seventy years figured I’d live to see the day when survival of the US as a constitutional entity — no matter how flawed — was in doubt, but we’ve reached that day. Sickening is the only word. Scary? I suppose to some, yes. I’m too old to worry about my fate, although I do feel desperately sorry for my kids and for all the other rational young folk that will wind up paying the price, the full cost of national stupidity, aka Conservativism, Wingnutism, Republicanism, etc.


    Thank all gods for what remains of mother nature, however. Wherever man ain’t, that’s where I find the meaning of LIFE!! Grand five mile walk beginning just before dawn this morning, lots of appropriate mingling with bugs, birds, and flowers. Weather’s decent; next up my morning lake circuit where I can mingle with the Canada honkers!

    • I think that’s what the worst want us to do. Not pay attention. Not vote. Think there is nothing we can do about our fate. Only optimists will work to make things better. I think that’s what the trolls at Think Progress were there to do. Convince us that Dems are just as bad so we’d get frustrated and stay home. My husband believes that all sides are just as bad and it drives me crazy.

      • I’m not staying home, that’s for sure. I can’t say I’ll vote ‘for’ every Dem on the ticket, but for sure I’ll vote AGAINST every Republican, period, end of story. Meanwhile, I stew in my anger at how bloody corrupt what was once at least a somewhat honorable system has become. But why should I be surprised, I guess, that a system based on accumulation of money and power has become corrupt. What other option is there when shit like that is the sole goal?

  4. Ok, so I hear the ‘raise gas prices’ story again, but I really don’t think that dog hunts. Speculation in one direction can certainly inflate the price, but not to point that it can distort up to $5 gallons.

    Take the recent local effect in Washington State – 20% of the West Coast’s refining capacity was shut down unexpectedly this spring – prices shifted locally to between +50c and 60c above national average

    That was a pretty big local event and the prices didn’t shift that far nor stay there for long.

    Look at the aftermath of hurricanes Rita and Katrina in 2005

    “Retail gasoline prices shot from $2.68 a gallon before Katrina hit three weeks ago to a peak nationwide average of $3.06 Sept. 5, a few days after Katrina knocked out most petroleum and natural gas operations in the Gulf.”

    1/3 of the nation’s refining capacity and 3/4 of the Gulf’s producing capacity went down and the price swing nationwide was about 40c and was gone in a few months.

    In short, it would take a major, major event, not simply the wish of the Illuminati to raise prices to $5, sorry – they can’t do it, the price of gasoline is not world-wide fungible but is close enough.

    Major event eh? This would do it – especially if this got so out of hand that the Saudis were dragged into it and the Gulf close was closed

    So maybe Bibi Netanyahu ‘votes early’ in the US presidential election….

  5. Romney recently suggested that a good guide to his policy on Israel would be to “just look at the things the president has done and do the opposite.” Adam Chandler makes a list of what this would entail. A few highlights:

    • Take the military option against Iran off the table.
    • Proclaim boldly and often that an Iranian nuclear weapon is acceptable and sponsor a policy of containment.
    • Dismantle the unprecedented military and intelligence cooperation between the U.S. and Israel.
    • Vote for Palestinian statehood at the United Nations.

  6. Here is how they do it – over and over and over again.

    1. President changes treatment of children of immigrants here undocumented to allow them a temporary chance at a normal life.

    2. Fox News lies and selectively edits to make everyone think the president is a) breaking his word b) doing something unconstitutional, when in fact its perfectly within his power *and* nothing new that the last 4 presidents before him haven’t done.

    3. John Boner comes out and repeats the Fox ‘News’ lie in front of cameras, media faithfully copies down what he says as fact. Media fails to notice or challenge Boner’s lies that the DREAM Act never existed or that the Republicans filibustered it to death in 2010.

    Over and over and over again….

  7. It’s 100 freaking degrees and I spent the morning selling pork in a parking lot. I’m way too grumpy to think about politics.

    • “It’s 100 freaking degrees and I spent the morning selling pork in a parking lot.”

      I can say without equivocation that that is a line I never heard or ever thought I’d hear in my lifetime, even if I live to be 150.

        • More like two pigs in coolers. The meat is cold, the farmer is not. I also managed to slam my recently replaced knee in the truck door, now I can’t feel my foot. If some rightie picked now to call me a lazy liberal I’d likely shoot them.

          • My condolences…But, just to rub it in, it’s 68 degrees and sunny in Seattle! Goin out for a walk at lunch… Best of luck with your pork vending!

    • Sadly, the rubes that want to fund fundie dunce curriculum will be appalled when the University of their choice declines to accept their fundie edjikated chilluns.

    • An example from one of the textbooks being used:

      – Only ten percent of Africans can read or write, because Christian mission schools have been shut down by communists.
      – “the [Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross… In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians.”
      – “God used the ‘Trail of Tears’ to bring many Indians to Christ.”
      – It “cannot be shown scientifically that that man-made pollutants will one day drastically reduce the depth of the atmosphere’s ozone layer.”
      – “God has provided certain ‘checks and balances’ in creation to prevent many of the global upsets that have been predicted by environmentalists.”
      – the Great Depression was exaggerated by propagandists, including John Steinbeck, to advance a socialist agenda.
      – “Unions have always been plagued by socialists and anarchists who use laborers to destroy the free-enterprise system that hardworking Americans have created.”
      – Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential win was due to an imaginary economic crisis created by the media.
      – “The greatest struggle of all time, the Battle of Armageddon, will occur in the Middle East when Christ returns to set up his kingdom on earth.”

    • “Some scientists speculate that Noah took small or baby dinosaurs on the Ark….”
      No, they don’t.

    • Gail Collins examined the impact of Texas on the writing of high school textbooks in the United States:

      ‘Ever since the 1960s, the selection of schoolbooks in Texas has been a target for the religious right, which worried that schoolchildren were being indoctrinated in godless secularism, and political conservatives who felt that their kids were being given way too much propaganda about the positive aspects of the federal government. Mel Gabler, an oil company clerk, and his wife, Norma, who began their textbook crusade at their kitchen table, were the leaders of the first wave. They brought their supporters to State Board of Education meetings, unrolling their “scroll of shame,” which listed objections they had to the content of the current reading material. At times, the scroll was fifty-four feet long. Products of the Texas school system have the Gablers to thank for the fact that at one point the New Deal was axed from the timeline of significant events in American history.”

    • Holy crap!

      Could a fish have developed into a dinosaur? As astonishing as it may seem, many evolutionists theorize that fish evolved into amphibians and amphibians into reptiles. This gradual change from fish to reptiles has no scientific basis. No transitional fossils have been or ever will be discovered because God created each type of fish, amphibian, and reptile as separate, unique animals. Any similarities that exist among them are due to the fact that one Master Craftsmen fashioned them all.”

      One word: Tiktaalik

      • “True science will never contradict the Bible because God created both the universe and Scripture…If a scientific theory contradicts the Bible, then the theory is wrong and must be discarded.”
        Ergo, Tiktaalik never existed. QED

        • That’s right Willy, the Invisible Sky Wizard planted those fossils in the rock so that us godless heathens could be led astray by them into thinking that Jesus was just this dude and is also dead.

  8. QOTD:

    “We seek cities because there are a greater range of girls at the bar, of reproductive choice. Number one. Number two is there are better outcomes for health and wealth. And now we care more about the environment, and cities are better for the environment. But above all, talented people seek cities for fame. They can’t get famous in the fucking village,” – Boris Johnson, mayor of London.

    God bless Boris.

  9. People, animals flee floods in NE Minnesota city – Yahoo! News

    DULUTH, Minn. (AP) — Residents evacuated their homes and animals escaped from pens at a zoo as floods fed by a steady torrential downpour struck northeastern Minnesota, inundating the city of Duluth, officials said Wednesday.Police officers helped track down a polar bear that got out of its enclosure overnight at the low-lying Lake Superior Zoo where several animals drowned.Duluth Mayor Don Ness said he would declare a state of emergency after the deluge of up to 9 inches of rain that he said caused extensive damage to the port city of about 86,000. Ness said the order would start the process to obtain federal aid. Gov. Mark Dayton said he would travel to Duluth on Thursday to discuss how the state can help.

    It’s a mess up there. Here’s a link to a photo gallery of some of the damage. Lots of washed out roads.

  10. Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?
    Caught in a landslide, No escape from reality
    Open your eyes, Look up to the skies and see,
    I’m just a poor boy, I need no sympathy
    Because I’m easy come, easy go, Little high, little low
    Any way the wind blows doesn’t really matter to me, to me

    Queen – Bohemian Rhapsody

  11. Woo-hoo! No nasty bugs in my water. Apparently the whole flap was because the recent power outage allowed the system to back flush. Oh well, better a false alarm than a cover up.

    • I will cheerfully pay my $2700.00 if the benefit goes to those whose incomes are under $60K. At least in my area, I can’t see how a family can live on less.
      I am not willing to subsidize anyone who can afford a dancing horse.

  12. Ken Bennett should have quit while he was behind.

    “Now, I know there’s a lot of people that are very skeptical as to whether he was born in Hawaii,” Bennett told the crowd. “Personally I believe that he was. I actually believe he was fibbing about being born in Kenya when he was trying to get into college and doing things like writing a book and on and on and on.”

    This from the man who harangued the state of Hawaii for the President’s birth certificate.

    • The Repubs are repugnant.

      If they can’t get the Black man out of the White House truthfully —
      do the effen GOoPer way: lie, lie, lie and then make up the facts.
      Hold the Dems to a much different standards than their own Repugnant party.

    • “Especially in light of the refusal to release the JFK assassination files…”

      There is a perfectly good reason the files haven’t been released yet. There are still a few key personnel involved in the assassination still alive and manipulating. Not to mention that if one of the biggest tinfoil hat conspiracies were to be shown to actually be true it would be that much harder to keep the rubes down on the farm.

      • Oh i’ll put my tin foil hat on here and just say… would one of those still alive be….

        George HW Bush?

  13. They knew enough to keep Bush out of town until after the attack, didn’t they? He cowered in Crawford when he couldn’t be elsewhere. PNAC had said it would take a ‘Pearl Harbor’ type event, to get the people to allow them to invade Iraq.

    • Peter King (R-IRA) – he should know all about radicalized white Christian terrorists – he apologized for the IRA for decades ….

  14. Have we covered today’s What’s New in Wingtopia?

    Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett says he believes Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, but thinks he claimed to be born in Kenya so he could get into college cheaper and has now spent millions covering it up.

    • There’s no end to the mindless speculation of these Republican rubes… but why do so many of them have to live in my state?

  15. Exactly how does Holder get held in contempt for withholding documents he cannot legally provide?

    Oh yeah, Issa’s inquisition. Absolutely shameful.

    • Some of the comments on that site — pure racism.
      Standing up for this ignorant chief.

      I hoped the article would have addressed the implications of the city not accepting the chief’s resignation letter (in April I believe it was) and firing him
      now. (perhaps compensation?)

        • I won’t either. I don’t know what happened and just want it heard in a fair and open court of law. But how in the hell did ol’ George become a hero to anyone? Do the righties support him because Jesse and Al call for justice? Do they support him because we question his motivation? Do they support him because he killed a black child? How is it possible that anyone on the planet can do other than question why this death occurred and wonder what we need to do to prevent another?

  16. There is the usual cesspool, and all the accompanying drama; in my new environs.
    Some things are different, most things are the same.

    I come at an opportune time; letting the universe lead, to fill a void and a task I’m meant to undertake.
    With every gift comes a lesson and a giving in return.

    Pay into the account of humankind, do the work and walk the earth.
    Peace and thank you all for being human.

    • If we can be silent for once and listen to the universe, I suspect we all wind up exactly where we are meant to be. (It might be in a parking lot, selling pork in 100 degree heat.)

            • Been on jury duty all week, yet, so far, I have not been assigned to a trial. That is just fine with me. For years I’ve ducked this particular civic duty, so decided to put myself out there as a participant in the lab of judicial democracy.

            • I intellectually agree with you, but my whole life has been dedicated to removing, or resisting a strong inclination in my personality to be judgemental. I know, I know it’s not actually the same thing, but I still want to resist. So my term ends on Friday, and if ‘m not called in, Yeeees.

            • I get that, but if you look at it as deciding if the plaintiff or defendant have proved/defended their case appropriately, it might be a little easier.

              The jury I was on was for a personal injury case that should have been settled out of court. All the plaintiff succeeded in doing is pissing off the jury, and we only awarded the exact amount for medical. Since I was the jury foreman, I made an enemy for life out of the plaintiff’s attorney, since he didn’t get his attorney’s fees. Whatever, right? 😆

  17. If he, the attorney, couldn’t close the sale, tough shit. As a retail salesman for over 30 years, I lost income 30% of the time by not being able to make the sale. Yet that 70% provided a decent income, and I improved my clients overall health. That’s how I could sleep at night. Oh, listening to Ed Schultz on my car radio today, which I don’t do very often, he was plugging a web site business called, that hosts small business’s websites to reach a larger audience, and I thought of you. Check it out and see if it is compatible with your vision.

    • Yep, but this attorney is a major league Catholic dooshbag/woman hater, on the same level of Bill Donohue of the Catholic League, so it wasn’t much of a surprise. Or a source of grief.

      I’ve looked into that made in America site, which is awesome, and I need to check it out again. They require that all materials be made in America as well, and since most (if not all) of the textile mills have moved overseas, it’s been hard to find fabric made in this country. In fact, the only fabric I’ve been able to find that’s still made in this country is the toile — which is totally French-looking. 😀

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