The Watering Hole, Monday, July 16th, 2012: The Tea Party’s Kissin’ Cousins

Thanks to pete, who, on Saturday’s thread, provided this link to TPM to a whole new world of crazy in American politics. I thought it was worth revisiting.

A woman named Randi Shannon, while running for a State Senate seat in Iowa, abandoned that campaign because, as she described in a letter to her supporters, she was taking a U.S. Senate seat in the Republic of the United States of America. This “Republic of the United States of America” is apparently based on the Constitution and the Amendments through Number 13. After that, the citizens of this ‘Republic’ believe that the U.S. Federal Government was highjacked and therefore no other Amendments in their imaginary world. In my opinion, the style and content of this “letter” is immature, ignorant, illiterate, petulant, pretentious, patronizing and psychotic. You have to see and read the whole thing for the full effect, but here’s a couple of sections that I particularly noted:

First, the date in the header: [[[ July 4th, 2012 ]]] Seriously? What’s with all of the brackets?


The Office of the Senator of the Republic of the United States of America,And The Republic for Iowa, Senator Randi Shannon

Wait, now Iowa gets to be its own Republic?

[Forth] Every concern which The People of Iowa have regarding GOVERNMENTAL ABUSE, such as the high cost and unconstitutionality of Obama-care and current healthcare costs, the invasive, insufferable acts committed by the TSAs at Airports, Taxation at Obscene levels, and the list goes on and on, are all problems brought on by The β€œde facto” UNITED STATES CORPORATION.

Okay, first, “FORTH”?! Of course, also note the usual lies about the ACA, and the ignorance about today’s tax rates.

*Check out the “Recent Posts” and “Blogroll” on the sidebar here. I also liked this bit:

Also, President Turner began a 40-day fast on Monday, July 9. If you would like to join him in this fast, or if you want to know more, download the document with the Daniel Fast Food List here. [Emphasis mine.]

Here’s a few more links to different aspects of this idiocy.

Oh, and, of course, this “Republic” is ‘officially’ a Christian nation.

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94 thoughts on “The Watering Hole, Monday, July 16th, 2012: The Tea Party’s Kissin’ Cousins

  1. Where are they going to get their funding for roads, police, fireman, teachers, prisons, and military? They won’t be able to collect taxes unless they amend their constitution to include taxes. Where will they money to pay their salaries? The state of Iowa would have the right to charge them fees to use state roads and highways AND so would the federal government have the right to charge fees for using federal highways. The ownership of property extends to the middle of the road so that there are no gaps in deeds. Along with utility companies, the government (local, state, federal) has easement on the road portion which allows for the movement of traffic.

    I would love to see them set up their own country. It would be a country with no power, no military and no money as they would have to print money which would not be recognized outside of their tiny nation. And, they could all be charged with sedition and sent to federal prison.

    • And they would lose whatever right they claim to have to have their caucuses before anybody else. Which is a good thing, because the rest of the country didn’t decide that Iowa should have first crack at presidential candidates. πŸ™‚

          • Article 3, section 3, U.S. Constitution:

            “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”

            I don’t think being batshitlunaticcrazy counts.

    • Their short-sightedness is stunning. More than 200 years ago Americans were all “pioneers” and “libertarians” but to have order in society, a government was needed. In order to progress, we needed to build an infrastructure — we did all that through group effort toward the common goal. That is totally lost today as politicians can’t agree on anything, and the fools like Shannon think they can function independently.

  2. Reading some of the comments on their blog reminds me of the Jim Jones ministry and of the Hal Bop comet chasers. It sounds like just another cult. How sad that people feel so insecure that they follow idiots that only want to take their money and control their lives. I think animals are smarter than some people.

  3. Women didn’t have the right to vote until 1920, the first female Representative was in 1917, first Iowa female Rep in 1928.
    Given this insane cow’s adamant date specific references to politics and law, she has NO STANDING in her own fantasy Republic to represent anyone, or to vote. GAHH!

    • I picked up on that, too, 5th. If their Republic stops at the 13th Amendment…well, women weren’t given the right to vote until the 19th Amendment.

      They stop at abolishing slavery, and just before providing equal protection under the law.

      • And you would have to roll back case-law and SCOTUS decisions to that point as well; as going forward they may have been based on parts of the constitution that are no longer there.

        And you’d have to pretty much review every piece of legislation that has come since then and make sure it wasn’t using constitutional authority that came after the 13th amendment.

    • Comment below the story: “I am no political campaign strategist, yet I’d think NOT picking a clip with hundreds of people cheering for your opponent would be key.”

      • Real geniuses showing the president looking super cool. And Mitt is such a child that he had to try singing after Obama got so much attention for singing. Really there is really something wrong emotionally with him.

  4. And I thought I was crazy. These people are insane. It’s all about discrediting the government so that in its place would be corporations in control…aren’t they already? Is that too crazy to think?

    I still can’t understand how these people don’t see the problem when big money and multinational corporations own governments. Unless of course they truly see corporations as people and these corporate people have our best interests in mind?

  5. Maybe someone should put forth the notion that since the Constitution didn’t specifically repeal the Articles of Confederation, those Articles are still in effect, and that the Constitution is a hoax.

  6. “The Office of the Senator of the Republic of the United States of America,And The Republic for Iowa, Senator Randi Shannon”

    Must be something in their genetically modified corn…

  7. female misogyny, is there such thing????……it seems to have become the norm within the radical wingnutospere. many women posters actually supporting a movement that’s against their very health, civil and constitutional rights.

    like their policies concerning the middle east, they wish to bomb the american people back to the stone age too

  8. Salient excerpt from:

    Article V.

    The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution … Amendments … shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States …

    So how is it that all amendments beginning with the fourteenth are deemed, by this collection of nutcases, to be invalid and/or unconstitutional? Proposal and ratification procedures, as clearly set forth in the Constitution itself, clearly validate each and every amendment currently in place.

    I think wingnuts might oughtta either read the Constitution themselves (assuming any of them can read) or have it read to them (by someone who can read, of course). Not a strong argument in favor of home schooling, that’s for sure.

  9. via Daily Kos

    Mitt: I’m not releasing tax returns because John Kerry’s wife, that’s why

    Fox & Friends threw Mitt Romney a retroactive retirement party this morning, and he celebrated by coming up with an entirely new reason for why he won’t release any of his tax returns before 2010:

  10. He was a bit of a game changer (for better or worse) in corporate America in the 90’s. It was a pretty good book.

    Stephen Covey, “7 Habits” author, dies at 79 – Yahoo! News

    SALT LAKE CITY (AP) β€” Stephen R. Covey, author of “The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People” as well as three other books that have all sold more than a million copies, has died. He was 79.
    In a statement sent to employees of a Utah consulting firm Covey co-founded, his family said the writer and motivational speaker died at a hospital in Idaho Falls, Idaho, early Monday due to complications from a bicycle accident in April.

    • How very sad. When I was working at the pharmaceutical company, I took his “7 Habits… ” training. It put me on the right path to leave the corporation and start out on my own. Yesterday, I was cleaning out my office and I came across the workbook. I took it apart and threw it away because I felt that I didn’t need it anymore. For the most part, the 7 habits have become incorporated into my life.

      May Stephen Covey rest in peace.

  11. Team Obama to Romney: Stop whining

    “What are you going to do when the Chinese leader says something? Or Putin says (something critical) to you? You’re going to whine…You cannot do that. And as Mitt Romney said once to his own Republican colleagues: Stop whining. I’ll give him his own advice: Stop whining.”

    • Republicans always whine. Romney thinks that he can run the country like he did Bain Capital. So if he becomes president and is unsatisfied with Congress, is he going to “offshore” and “outsource” elected officials? Is he already getting money from “offshore” businesses? Show us your tax returns, Mitt Romney. What are you hiding?

  12. QOTD I, II:

    “It’s not just [Romney’s] arguments that are weak. For the past year, we have watched him be pushed around by the radical GOP fringe. He’s been forced to abjure his most important achievement as governor, his healthcare plan. In December, he was compelled to sign onto the Ryan budget plan after months of squirming to avoid it. Last fall he released an elaborate economic plan. On the eve of the Michigan primary, he ripped it up and instead accepted a huge new tax cut – to a top rate of 28% – that has never been costed (and that he now tries to avoid mentioning whenever he can). Romney has acknowledged in interviews that he understands that big rapid cuts in government spending could push the US economy back into recession. Yet he campaigns anyway on the Tea Party’s false promise that it’s the deficit that causes the depression, rather than (as he well knows) the other way around,” – David Frum.
    “Romney now is either the first sole shareholder, chairman, CEO and president of a company in history to claim that he had nothing whatsoever to do with managing that company or he is responsible for the worst practices of Bain,” – Joe Trippi.

  13. Team Mitt and its surrogates are floundering badly:

    Krauthammer on Fox today:

    “There is not a shred of evidence that Romney participated in any decision, any investment, any phone call, any meeting of any kind after 1999.”

    The Boston Globe:
    “In 2002, Romney testified that β€œthere were a number of social trips and business trips that brought [him] back to Massachusetts, board meetings” while he was running the Olympics. He added that he remained on the boards of several companies, including the Lifelike Co., in which Bain Capital held a stake until 2001… β€œHe succeeded in that three-year period in restoring confidence in the Olympic Games … ” said Peter L. Ebb from Ropes & Gray, [his lawyer at the 2002 hearing]. β€œNow while all that was going on, very much in the public eye, what happened to his private and public ties to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts? And the answer is they continued unabated just as they had.”

    And for good measure:

    “I returned for most of those [board] meetings [at Bain-owned companies] . Others I attended by telephone if I could not return.”

    “Not a shred of evidence”? Not a single “phone call”? Do sworn statements under oath not count? And will Krauthammer correct the record? (That’s rhetorical).

  14. Ms. Shannon’s madness is an interesting case. One part that I can’t figure out is why she should stop at Senator. I would think that if one is going to assume leadership of a fictional nation by proclamation one should aim high. “Queen of Atlantis and Empress of the Stars” would actually make more sense.

    • I’m sure we are at terrible risk of being overrun by Republican Guards as soon as they can afford to get on the Lufthansa flight through Frankfurt. They should be able to get their assault weapons once they get to Arizona and then we’d all better watch out!

      Jesus wept and how did Wolf (Asshat – Tel-Aviv) take that one?

    • ”They can also reach the moon if they can put it on a rocket and get closer to the moon.” πŸ˜†

      One must consider the source. Blitzer is a has-been, another celebrity on the D-list.

  15. “One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom-fighter”

    Alternet is full of good stuff today. Here’s a discussion of the Mujaheddeen-e Khalq (MeK). An organization outlawed on the same list as al-Qaeda and other terror groups because of its prior alignment with Saddam Hussein,

    But this lot have a well connected political organization lobbying to removed from the list so they can continue to bomb and assassinate people in Iran. This list features all kinds of people, some you’d expect and some you might not as paid and unpaid shills…

    John Bolton – easy one – Yosemite Sam is a gimme
    Rudy Guiliani – uh-huh whatever
    Michael Mukasey – former Bush AG
    Bill Richardson – what?
    Howard Dean – gobsmacked!
    Gen. Wesley Clark

    And now I’m watching to see if this nasty bunch get delisted by the Obama Admin…..

      • Fascinating – she’s all foamed up about how there’s a Muslim Brotherhood turban in the locker of Democratic elected officials the length and breadth of the land (the Muslim brotherhood that have used the mighty weapon-of-mass-desctruction – the ‘ballot box’ to bring Egypt to ‘chaos’ – and we’re next). And yet these nasty f***ers are just a-OK with Batshit?

        Who did she blow to get onto the Intelligence Committee again?

  16. These people really do live in their own little world.

    Sea Treaty all but dead, 34 GOP senators oppose | Fox News

    Heritage Action, which lobbied against the treaty, said in a statement from CEO Michael A. Needham: “America had little to gain through accession to the Law of the Sea Treaty — but much to lose. Rather than affirming existing practices, it would have instituted a radically new, international legal regime. The demise of the Law of the Sea Treaty not only represents a victory for American sovereignty, but also the American people.”

  17. Remember back in the 2000 race when the Right was making fun of Al Gore for claiming he was the model for I think it was Oliver in “Love Story”? Well, I have it from substantial sources that Willard was used by Mattel as the model for the Ken doll. (Its why his magic underwear don’t bind)

    • Missionary Ken!
      Comes with white shirt and black pants!

      (Not available in all markets, bicycle sold separately, must be purchased in pairs, and are not allowed to play with a Barbie.)

  18. As the evidence stacks up and virtually the entire northern hemisphere swelters we are forced to ask; has the tipping point passed? In a way, such an event would make truth out of the Reich-wing’s lies that we puny humans can’t affect the climate. It could very well be out of our hands.

    • It’s a frightening thought and it may well be. After the scorching heat and all the melts comes the ice age. We won’t survive until Jesus comes back again. You would think that the Rapture folks would be concerned about destroying the world before Jesus gets the chance to return.

      • The religious retard tipping point has been reached.
        Even if Jesus did come back, in person, with all the bells, whistles and trumpets; they would question, doubt, deny, dodge and ………… crucify him again.

        • Indeed. Even if they could get past the long hair, sandals, and dress they would erect a cross the second he said “love”, “compassion”, or “tolerance”.

    • 80% of the country is experiencing drought conditions.
      80% of the country is experiencing drought conditions.
      80% of the country is experiencing drought conditions.

  19. Affidavit: Spitzer Showed ‘Personal Animus’ Toward AIG’s Greenberg

    As the long-delayed American International Group fraud case inches toward trial, a peculiar sideshow over former Attorney General Eliot Spitzer’s feelings toward former AIG boss Maurice “Hank” Greenberg has taken center stage. Apparently, the issue is whether Spitzer initiated the case against AIG in 2005 out of spite and hatred.

    The defense team is aggressively pursuing Spitzer’s private emails for evidence of animus and in recent days has steered the media toward a newly submitted affidavit in which former Attorney General Dennis Vacco, who lost a bitter reelection bid to Spitzer in 1998, says he witnessed an expletive-laden tirade in which his successor, prior to filing the American International Group suit, ranted about Greenberg.

    Vacco’s affidavit has made the media rounds, starting with the New York Post on July 10, and Vacco himself has appeared on the national news to recount an incident he says occurred in 2004.

    Maria Bartiromo had Eliot Spitzer on her show Friday night, in order to grill him about these e-mails and whether his zeal in prosecuting Greenberg was personal. Here is the video.

    Tonight on Ms.Bartiromo’s show, she again tries to distort his motives in bringing down Greenberg, without him there to defend himself. So he again corrects the record at the conclusion of his show on Current TV.

    Personally, I don’t care if Spitzer did have ‘Personal Animus’ against a bankster commiting fraud. If we had more prosecutors dedicated to punishing the guilty and bringing justice to the wronged, our country would be better for it.

  20. One of the crew (15) today blurted out (quote) “The bible gives us the right to shoot and kill anything we want to!”
    I (driving the van) responded with “Where did you see that? I’ve read it, and I never saw that anywhere!”
    He stammered something about Adam and Eve and dominion over the earth, to which I did not respond.
    At all. Nothing. Nada. Zip.

    To be fair, another crew member (also in his teens) and I are engaged in a contest to see who can research and come up with a number for just how many gods there are.

    And, finally, after giving a panhandler 2 dollars, and having him say “God bless you sir”, I asked him “Which one?” and leaned in as if I was going to take the 2 dollars back… He as well flinched pitifully, and stammered something unintelligible as I found my tongue and proceeded to verbally make him earn the money.

      • Sweet Jane. I too talk to the Yahtzee God, and on many occasions have proved to my atheist brethen, that she is a winner, and my librulatheisttennisshoewearinfvolvodriving believers fold like a cheap suit before her and her powers.

    • How sad that someone would interpret dominion over the earth as the right to waste, rather than the responsibility to practice careful stewardship.

        • You’re up late Jane. I reckon God knew guns would not be terribly effective against the larger dinosaurs that Adam was supposed to dominate. πŸ™‚

      • OIMF it’s the American way. OMG why do you hate America’s rightful dominion over the parasites that suck from that right. Okay I’ve got a headache from writing that. I’ll never be a good rightwinger. *Sniff*

      • (They) don’t think very far ahead regarding sustainability.
        If they think about it at all.

        I don’t talk religion, politics or gender issues with these young people. Workplace policy states I don’t have to! They talk about it somewhat, and most know that I know they know I know some things…

        And, regarding the panhandler, it was my token weekly contribution in the Safeway parking lot. Many of the beggars are professionals, and if they want money they’re going to have to work for it.

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