Watering Hole: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 – Apples

They say that apples don’t fall far from the tree.  It’s a metaphor used for explaining the behaviors of parents and their children.  Most of the time, the apples remain close to the tree unless they are carried away by an animal or roll down a hill.

I don’t know what happened to Mitt Romney as he lacks the integrity that his father displayed.  This is what George Romney had to say about politicians and taxes.  Perhaps Mitt does have something to hide.

This is our Open Thread.  What do you think?  Speak Up!


130 thoughts on “Watering Hole: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 – Apples

  1. Dullest Campaign Ever

    A few weeks ago, Peggy Noonan wrote a column in The Wall Street Journal that perfectly captures my attitude toward this presidential campaign: It’s incredibly consequential and incredibly boring all at the same time.

    Since then, I’ve come up with a number of reasons for why it is so dull. First, intellectual stagnation. This race is the latest iteration of the same debate we’ve been having since 1964. Mitt Romney is calling President Obama a big-government liberal who wants to crush business. Obama is calling Romney a corporate tool who wants to take away grandma’s health care.

    Here, this should get y’all started. The traditional Brooks false equivalency, folding in Peggy Noonan in his first sentence! I gotta go to work!

  2. If only he cared about Americans as much as he does Israelis.

    Romney Praises Israel’s Socialized Health Care System

    JERUSALEM — Presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney offered praise for the Israeli health care system today — a medical plan that has been socialized since its founding in 1948.Romney, who championed the Massachusetts health care mandate, but is an opponent of the federal mandate passed by President Barack Obama, marveled at how little Israel spends on health care relative to the United States.

    • Romney suffers from BMDD, brain and mouth disconnect disease. He never thinks before he speaks. The thought of him as president and dealing with international affairs is frightening.

  3. Saw this yesterday on NBC News, and again this AM on FDL..
    Mitt Romney has “received almost $322,000 in direct donations from the CEOs of the companies listed on the annual “Fortune 500″ list of the biggest U.S. companies.” Those donations were over four times the amount ($75,500) made to the Obama campaign by CEOs on the same list.

    Willard loves him some 1%ers… That’s him.

    • Mitt only has the 1%’s, the dumbf**ks, the fundies and the racists on his side. That’s not enough to win. We’ll see if the 1%’s can buy our government in November.

    • Gotta keep the wheels of industry well greased, and the bombs and missiles flying.

    • From the comments:

      “If Obama hadn’t won in 2008, Romney wouldn’t be running now.

      If Romney weren’t running now, she wouldn’t have posted his picture on Facebook.

      If Romney’s photo hadn’t been posted on Facebook, these two lovebirds would have lived happily ever after.

      Clearly, this is Obama’s fault.”


      • If Lowell wasn’t a 400 pound freaking hillbilly idiot this would have never happened

      • The woman told a deputy that Turpin “has been violent toward her multiple times over several years.

        Why, oh why do they stay in such “relationships”?

        • Because the mind is such a complicated organ! And there is probably no support for this woman to ‘change’ her behaviour.

  4. And, once again, Antonin Scalia proves that just because you have the title Justice, doesn’t imply that you have a clue what that word means
    Scalia suggests women have no right to contraception

    Wherein Scalia the Morally Bankrupt decries “There’s no right to privacy in the Constitution — no generalized right to privacy,” Scalia insisted.

    Amendment IX
    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

  5. Romney’s big tax break to Big Oil:

    “The world’s five biggest public oil companies—BP, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, ExxonMobil, and Royal Dutch Shell—would keep special tax breaks worth $2.4 billion each year. And by cutting corporate tax rates, the Romney plan could lower the companies’ annual tax bill by another $2.3 billion, based on an analysis of the companies’ tax expense for 2011. The special tax breaks, supplemented by Gov. Romney’s lower corporate rates, could benefit the oil companies by more than $4 billion annually. … [T]hese five companies are hardly in need of a tax cut: They earned a combined record profit of $137 billion in 2011 due to high oil and gasoline prices.”


    “At the end of June, the oil and gas industry donated nearly $1.5 million directly to the Romney campaign according to Opensecrets.com. This is more than five times its donations to President Obama’s campaign.”


  6. Mitt Romney’s praise for the Israeli economy and his diss of the Palestinian economy was akin to someone criticising the Warsaw Jewish Ghetto for not making ‘more of their opportunities’

  7. Romney Aide Curses At Press in Poland

    CNN: “Governor Romney are you concerned about some of the mishaps of your trip?

    NYT: “Governor Romney do you have a statement for the Palestinians?

    Washington Post: “What about your gaffes?

    NYT: “Governor Romney do you feel that your gaffes have overshadowed your foreign trip?”

    CNN: “Governor Romney just a few questions sir, you haven’t taken but three questions on this trip from the press!

    Gorka: “Show some respect”

    NYT: “We haven’t had another chance to ask a question…”

    Gorka: “Kiss my ass. This is a Holy site for the Polish people. Show some respect.”

    I love it. 😀

  8. Craig Brown at The Daily Beast has some fun with Mitt as an advice columnist. A sample:

    “Dear Mitt, My family and I are thinking of vacationing in Paris, France. Just one thing: no one can tell us which country it’s in. Please help! Jeff Bickle, Idaho.

    MITT SAYS: That’s one question that I’m absolutely determined to address, Jeff. You ask: where is Paris, France? Good question. Well, I tell you this, Jeff. The strength of our nation lies in challenging the challenges that continue to challenge us, and challenging them honestly, and with all the force at our disposal. So let us be strong, because a strong America is our only assurance that prosperity will follow hardship. I hope that answers your question, Jeff.”

  9. Praying #Mitt doesn’t ask Polish hotel manager to send up three people to change his lightbulb
    — @JC_Christian via Twitter

  10. Michael Kazin points out how fundamentally different the task of being a businessman is from that of running the country. He compares Romney to Hoover, “one of the richest businessmen of his day”:

    “When he ascended to the White House in 1929, many commentators expected that Hoover’s organizational acumen would make him a brilliant, practical leader. “We were in a mood for magic,” recalled one journalist about the start of his presidential term. “We summoned a great engineer to solve our problems for us; now we sat back comfortably and confidently to watch the problems being solved.”

    But the onset of the Great Depression later that fall required the skills of a master politician, and Hoover, who had never run for office before, proved to be a less-than-mediocre one. A stiff and awkward speaker, he neither showed empathy for the jobless nor rallied Congress behind a credible plan to reverse the nation’s economic slide. Hoover’s stern belief in “rugged individualism” had helped win him riches and renown. But it prevented him from recognizing that Americans in trouble needed material relief instead of sermons about the evils of the dole and an unbalanced budget.

    “The Great Humanitarian who had fed the starving Belgians in 1914, the Great Engineer so hopefully elevated to the presidency in 1928, now appeared as the Great Scrooge,” writes one historian. After a career spent commanding his own organizations, Hoover was unable to adjust to a job that required persuasion, adaptation, and compromise.”

    Imagine: in 2012, America may vote to replace the rough equivalent of FDR with the rough equivalent of Hoover.


  11. I hate Mittens. There’s just no other option. Even if he was not lying through his teeth I wold still hate him for blaming the “choices” of Palestinians for their dire predicament. Here’s a news flash; it was not the Palestinians’ choice to be occupied by European colonists. They didn’t choose to live in the modern equivalent of concentration camps. They did not choose to be excluded from the culture, politics, and economy of the country they were born in. And they certainly didn’t choose to be sanctioned into poverty while said European colonists are subsidized by the great powers of the West. Ack!!! i think I’m going out flying again.


      • Well, to be honest, there are a couple other things I find just about as absorbing but it’s true that my mind doesn’t wander when I’m working a thermal or trying to get that perfectly axial slow roll.

  12. Watch Your Mouth, You’re In a Goddam Holy Site:

    “Show some respect,” Romney’s aide Gorka said after being challenged for not taking questions, according to pool reports.

    “We haven’t had another chance to ask a question,” a New York Times reporter said.

    “Kiss my ass,” Gorka said back. “This is a Holy site for the Polish people. Show some respect.”

    Just a few moments later, Gorka told a Politico reporter to “shove it,” reports CNN.

    • I could probably forgive some of their other faults if they weren’t just plain mean. I find it amazing that, even after the foreign media exposed Mittens, the Reichwhiners will still wail about the First Lady being “judgmental” for suggesting a healthy diet and exercise. It’s even more dramatic that they ignore Mittens’ autocratic airs and then accuse the President of being a “dictator”. If Obama was even in the same universe as a dictator they would all have government health care and the prison at Gitmo would be a thing of the past among other things.

      • I wish that the Romney supporters and the Republicans would all eat an unhealthy diet, fill up on Chick-Fil-A high fat, sugar and salt food and then sit on their dupas all day. And I wish they would all smoke 3 packs/Camels/day. That should take care of the problem.

        • I figure most of them already fall into at least one of those categories, Cats. And, while I would never actually wish harm upon them, it would be fun to see some of the more disgusting freaks participate in the Olympics as javelin catchers.

        • That does seem more and more to be the clincher. Of course, that assumes that they are aware that Mittens used to be considered a “librul Republican” and has since then reversed himself on everything he’s ever said and still belongs to a religion that, before Mittens became their only choice, the Reichwhiners identified as a cult. They should hate him as much as they hate most Godless Democrats but there’s that pesky race thing that is apparently the trump card.

          • “They should hate him as much as they hate most Godless Democrats but there’s that pesky race thing that is apparently the trump card.”

            Exactly, pete. And unfortunately, until or unless Mitt says or does something so spectacularly awful that even the racists can’t ignore – say, eating a baby at a campaign stop while wearing a huge bib with an embroidered baby on it and some drawn butter on the side – those racists will still vote “against” the n****r in “their” White House.

  13. India’s outdated and crumbling infrastructure and the government’s inability to meet the country’s energy needs that has left 600 MILLION people without power is a cautionary tale for the U.S.

    • Thank Dog for those raving pinkos FDR and the TVA and all those other rabid commies who built the country’s electrical infrastructure….

  14. I want to share a link to a website that my SIL created. The products for these companies are made in Pennsylvania. It’s a “give an American a job” website. I’m sure Romney would not approve and fortunately, Bain Capital has not yet destroyed these fine companies. If you have the time, take a look at all the different products that are available. My favorite is Unique Pretzels. They are the best.


    • After reading that and some of the comments, what does an expiration date have to do with voting rights? I can understand, maybe how an expired DL could be questioned but an ID with no expiration date would reflect real voting rights. They don’t expire.

      And the people who have name changes, don’t they have SSI numbers? I’ve had mine since around 1968 and it has been good enough for both the military and the IRS.

      • People are being denied even if they show their SSI number along with a birth certificate. There are counties in PA that don’t have motor vehicle photo ID locations. People need to drive to another county to get their picture taken. It is really fucked up.

    • He didn’t pay taxes for 10 years! Now, do I know that that’s true? Well, I’m not certain,” said Reid. “But obviously he can’t release those tax returns. How would it look?

      He played like the GoOPers do…not exactly stating as fact just putting it out there for thought purposes.

  15. Well, I have an answer for the next republiscum who asks me a question, “Kiss My Ass!”

    I suppose I could add, “It’s a holy site!” or maybe “sight!”

      • I overheard a man telling a joke about Obama today (Mitt spends his money but Obama spends our money was the gist) and proceeded to run him off by lecturing him about the misinformation his stupid joke was based on. This guy was a customer of the business next door and the mechanic he was dealing with thanked me for running him off.

        I also had the opportunity to shut my neighbors mouth again after he began a political discussion. I told him “Pete, you just told me you haven’t seen TV in 2 weeks and you know I’m into politics so don’t go saying things that you know will provoke me to once again point out your lack of knowledge.”

        With 98 days before the election I’ve a feeling I’m not going to hold my tongue for any length of time between now and then.

        • A few days ago I heard a pensioner say “we’ll be in trouble until there’s a Republican in office”. I said; “you do realize that everything turned to shit during the last 8 years a Republican was in office”. He was so apparently stunned that he didn’t have a ready retort and I wasn’t going to give him time to create one.

  16. The Opinionated Bitch — On “Poverty Envy”

    But is this the reality of life on public assistance? 50 million Americans now live in poverty. 22 million families have been forced to “double-up”, or share living quarters with another family as a way of avoiding homelessness. In 7 years, the median household income has declined by more than seven percent. The average American has less buying power than they did almost 20 years ago, adjusting for inflation. The news is very bad for women, who, even if they worked full time, year round earned 77 percent of that for men doing exactly the same job. Poverty rates increased for children from 20 percent to 22 percent since 2007. 2 percent may not sound like much to you, but that number translates into millions of children. And EXACTLY what percentage of the American population is on welfare? 4.1 percent. The average person who accepts assistance from AFDC (Aid to Families With Dependant Children) does so for less than 2 years – 20 percent for less than 7 months. 38.8 percent of those are white. 39.9 percent are black. Given the income and net worth disparity between blacks and whites, whites are far more likely to seek public assistance than African-American citizens. (US Dept of Commerce)

    • Heh, finally a bridge too far. He better brace himself for the wrath of the dog-loving crowd. Look what they’ve done to Romney.

      • The Feline crowd will be joining in that wrath!

        “Mellow”, the gorgeous orange boy, voiced his concern about King’s sanity.

        • Honeybump doesn’t like Steve King. I heard her growling all the way from Moscow!

          And if Honey is growling, she’s really pissed…

      • It is always cruel to use animals for gambling purposes. Dog fights, live pigeon shoots, and horse racing are all about gambling at the expense of animals.

    • Perhaps his frequent collaborations with Batscat Bqachmann just raised him to my awareness but I think that’s one of the less unsavory aspects of King’s character. I’m more concerned with his dominionism, hyper-nationalism, stupidity, and bigotry.

      • Steve is just your average basic Republican, drunk with power and loving the money.

    • This man is pure evil. Sometimes politicians embrace wrong to win votes from the wrongdoers. There is no pro animal abuse lobby. This stance is a reflection of his shriveled soul.

  17. Both Party Conventions Snub Lieberman

    Sen. Joe Lieberman has not been invited to either the Democratic or the Republican presidential convention this year, a major snub for a lawmaker who played prominent convention roles in the past.

    He’s got just enough time left to be a real prick one more time, though.

  18. Mittens has finally earned the epithet that Cenk used to describe Bible Spice. He/she “doesn’t know anything about anything”. Also like Bible Spice he simply lies when he does know something about something because the truth would prove his idiocy. At the rate he’s going he will soon be in position to claiming the title of “knowing less about more things” than Bible Spice. That is an accomplishment I once thought was unassailable.


  19. Homeless man arrested with stash of weapons talks about list of politicians

    The man arrested in San Francisco ten days ago with a sizable stash of weapons, drugs and ammunition talked exclusively to KTVU from jail Tuesday about why he had the guns and a list of top politicians when he was taken into custody.

    …He also said he is a member of the military special forces and has two birthdates. He claimed the bricks of ammo were given to him in Reno as a birthday gift.

  20. More proof that Reichwhiners don’t know anything about anything. Issa made up charges that the Obama administration was responsible for “Fast and Furious” and this gal doesn’t have the faintest idea what’s in the new voter ID law she’s in charge of enforcing. Maybe I’m old fashioned but I happen to think that someone who admits ignorance about their job should be deprived of said job.



    • She was stupid enough to admit that she didn’t know jack schitt on the stand. This new law will cost the state millions of dollars which is doesn’t have. Typical Republicans. They spend money that the government doesn’t have and then turn around and bitch slap Democrats.

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