The Watering Hole, Thursday, August 30th, 2012: GOP Elephant Lies

On Tuesday night, Fudgie the Whale New Jersey Governor Chris Christie heaved himself onto the stage at the Republican National Convention, and proceeded to spew more lies than I could count. I don’t have the time to go through all of them, so I’m providing the transcript here, while focusing on the lines and lies that truly pissed me off. I’ll keep my own comments brief:

“Dad grew up in poverty. After returning from Army service, he worked at the Breyers Ice Cream plant in the 1950s. With that job and the G.I. bill he put himself through Rutgers University at night to become the first in his family to earn a college degree.”
Really? The G.I. Bill, a highly-successful Government program?

“The greatest lesson Mom ever taught me, though, was this one: she told me there would be times in your life when you have to choose between being loved and being respected. She said to always pick being respected…”
Sure, dictators, tyrants and bullies can be respected (read “feared”) without being loved.

“Our leaders today have decided it is more important to be popular, to do what is easy and say “yes,” rather than to say no when “no” is what’s required…It’s been easy for our leaders to say not us, and not now, in taking on the tough issues. And we’ve stood silently by and let them get away with it.” Which ‘leaders’ is Christie blathering about? And who has “stood silently by and let” who “get away with” what? Republicans have certainly been vocal enough against President Obama since before Day 1, as well as being extremely vocal when saying “no”, because “no” is all that the Republicans require to “make President Obama a one-term President.”

“But tonight, I say enough.”
Okay, Christie’s emphasis was on “enough”, but I felt that he had already said more than enough. And at this point in his spewch, I was ready to “say enough”, too.

“I say, together, let’s make a much different choice. Tonight, we are speaking up for ourselves and stepping up.” Speaking up for yourselves, instead of simply calling President Obama every dog-whistle name and label you could think of?

“We are beginning to do what is right and what is necessary to make our country great again.” So, you admit that never really did “what is right” before now?

“We are demanding that our leaders stop tearing each other down, and work together to take action on the big things facing America.” I can’t wait to see Christie call Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, the Tea Party contingent, the Republican Governors, Paul Ryan, and Mitt Rmoney on the carpet…oh…d’oh!

“Tonight, we choose respect over love.” I think “love” already rejected you, and one doesn’t “choose” respect, one earns it.

“We are not afraid. We are taking our country back.” Damn, after years of telling us to “be afraid”, now the Republicans aren’t afraid anymore?! And, for the umpteenth time, FROM WHOM OR WHAT ARE YOU TAKING OUR COUNTRY BACK?

“I know this simple truth and I’m not afraid to say it: our ideas are right for America and their ideas have failed America.” Simple-minded, maybe, at least simple enough not to remember that their “ideas” are pretty much the same as BushCo’s “ideas”, which, in the real world, failed America: cut taxes, eliminate regulations on big corporations, drill anywhere and everywhere, and start another war.

Now for the really big lies. My comments would be superfluous:

“Let’s be clear with the American people tonight. Here’s what we believe as Republicans and what they believe as Democrats:

They believe that the American people don’t want to hear the truth about the extent of our fiscal difficulties and need to be coddled by big government.”

They believe the American people are content to live the lie with them.”

They believe seniors will always put themselves ahead of their grandchildren. So they prey on their vulnerabilities and scare them with misinformation for the cynical purpose of winning the next election.”

Their plan: whistle a happy tune while driving us off the fiscal cliff, as long as they are behind the wheel of power.”

“We believe that we should honor and reward the good ones while doing what’s best for our nation’s future – demanding accountability, higher standards and the best teacher in every classroom.”

They believe the educational establishment will always put themselves ahead of children. That self-interest trumps common sense.”

They believe in pitting unions against teachers, educators against parents, and lobbyists against children.”

They believe in teacher’s unions. We believe in teachers.

“We believe that if we tell the people the truth they will act bigger than the pettiness of Washington, D.C.”

“We believe it’s possible to forge bipartisan compromise and stand up for conservative principles.”

“It’s the power of our ideas, not of our rhetoric, that attracts people to our Party.”

“We win when we make it about what needs to be done; we lose when we play along with their game of scaring and dividing.”

“For make no mistake, the problems are too big to let the American people lose – the slowest economic recovery in decades, a spiraling out of control deficit, an education system that’s failing to compete in the world.”

“It doesn’t matter how we got here. There is enough blame to go around”

“Mitt Romney will tell us the hard truths we need to hear to end the debacle of putting the world’s greatest health care system in the hands of federal bureaucrats and putting those bureaucrats between an American citizen and her doctor.”

“It’s time to end this era of absentee leadership in the Oval Office and send real leaders to the White House.”

“There is doubt and fear for our future in every corner of our country. These feelings are real.”

“There’s only one thing missing now. Leadership. It takes leadership that you don’t get from reading a poll. You see, Mr. President – real leaders don’t follow polls. Real leaders change polls. That’s what we need to do now.”

“A second American Century where our military is strong, our values are sure, our work ethic is unmatched and our Constitution remains a model for anyone in the world struggling for liberty.”

Damn Republicans ruined my Acme(TM) Mass-Projection Particle Meter! Of course, my Acme(TM) Wireless Lie-Detector blew up at the sound of Governor Ultrasound’s voice Monday night. 😦

This is our Open Thread. Have at it!

359 thoughts on “The Watering Hole, Thursday, August 30th, 2012: GOP Elephant Lies

  1. It would be much easier to pinpoint the truthful statements made over these past two evenings:
    few and far between they were that’s for damn sure.
    Sad, truly sad this convention circus called the GOP.

  2. Anyone who can watch any part of this Tampa lie fest is of a stronger mindset than my own. I happened upon a clip somewhere (probably on MSNBC) of Fatso “speaking” and promptly switched it off after about 30 seconds. One can only take so much, after all.

    I think, though, what bothers and puzzles me the most is the simple fact that the Romney ticket stands a better than even money chance of getting more than fifty votes, total and nationwide, in the upcoming election. It begs the questions: what the fuck is the matter with the US electorate? What is it that makes so many WANT to participate in the establishment of what is fast becoming a fascist rogue state?

    I dunno. I’ve about given up on this whole mess some still reverently refer to the United States of America; I also harbor the distinct hunch that my Scandinavian forebears would have stayed home had they been able, 150 years ago, to predict this country’s eventual fall into that abyss of greed and and power-for-the-sake-of-power mentality which drives us.

    If I had the means, I’d leave with no plans of ever returning. Maybe I’d retire to the Cayman Islands or somesuch paradise as that. Oh, wait …..

    • what the fuck is the matter with the US electorate?
      Short attention spans and Snoooki. The majority of the electorate want to know, in the time it takes to read a bumper sticker, what to fear and who to blame. (This also explains the popularity of right wing radio.) Add a fourth estate that is much more interested in appearing balanced than in crying foul.
      When I feel like it’s getting me down, I watch this…

  3. The best lie by Ryan was saying Obama promised to save the auto industry but the factory in Wisconsin closed and his friends lost their jobs. Only that factory closed way before Obama took office.

  4. Catch Rudy 9iu11iani’s bullshit:

    “(Media members) don’t like (Christie’s) message, they don’t like what he’s trying to do and they certainly don’t want to see (Mitt) Romney win. So they gotta tear down something. They couldn’t really tear down Mrs. Romney’s speech. First of all, it would have been insensitive to attack her. Second, she gave a great speech and it would have been very hard to attack her. So they pick on Chris, who is a target. … I don’t think Chris could win, at least not with the liberal media.”

    Translating Rudy:

    The press hammered Chris Christie at the GOP convention because they didn’t want to do to Ann Romney what FOX news does to Michelle Obama.

    • I have a number of things to say about Truly Ghouliani’s comment:

      It isn’t that the media doesn’t like Christie’s message, it’s that they don’t like him. He’s a bully, so he’s probably really insecure inside. The last footage I saw of him where he called someone an idiot, he walked all the way to the other side of the stage to turn and call him that.

      Second, it’s not the media that won’t like what he said, it’s the Right Wing, and the candidate himself! Christie was claiming Romney would tell people the truth That would be news to them because he hasn’t done that yet.

      Lastly, as many RWers do, he’s projecting when he talks about people “attacking” Ann Romney. I don’t feel I attacked her last night while I was tweeting so much as I attacked what she said! And that’s something RWers don’t do – they don’t differentiate between the person and what he or she said. So to them, if you want to attack what somebody said, you have to go after them personally. They really are sick people.

  5. I posted this on yesterday’s thread, but following Zooey’s and OIMF’s lead, I donated to Obama last night as well.

  6. Lots of people were impressed with Martinez and wondered why Mitt didn’t pick her instead of Ryan. But picking a gun-toting female governor with 1.5 years of service in a small population state would bring with it immediate comparisons to … her.

    Oh, and Martinez’s grandparents were illegal immigrants, thereby blowing up the GOP’s entire immigrant platform.

  7. QOTD:

    “The demographics race we’re losing badly. We’re not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term,” – Senator Lindsey Graham.

  8. The whole independent and free theme to the Republican speeches (and their entire agenda) is just plain juvenile. In their little world it is by accidental means that the citizens of the US might band together to do anything. Unless it is in their narrow self interest, of course. And this Hurray for Me, Fuck allyall attitude is what founded our country and has sustained it.

    Forget that it is the UNITED States of America (not confederated, not individual, not sort of dating). Pay no mind the idea of democracy having the root of demos or people. The fact that neither the Declaration of Independence nor the Constitution was written in the first person. Nor did any one person implement these documents.

    The Galtian concept of every person being a lone wolf is in violation of human nature. Humans have never made a practice of everyone living their own life, independent of others. In nature, it is pretty much only the top tier predators that live solitary existences. But it is rather humorous that their language of going rogue and lone wolf is actually describing what happens to individual members of packs and herds who get ostracized and banished for psychotic behavior.

    Their response to the old adage that a chain is only as strong as it’s weakest link is to disassemble the chain into a pile of disconnected links.

    Oh, and fatboy? We are in the third American Century.

    • Oh, and fatboy? We are in the third American Century.

      He kept saying that about a “second century” and I said to Jane, “We’re in our third century, aren’t we?”

      And I agree with your great comment. John Galt was a fictional, self-centered asshole who depended on others more than he would ever care to admit.

    • That is the stupidest thing ever but not surprise coming from Chuck Todd. I get to not watch him now that Stephanie Miller is on Current.

      • I wish we could get Current TV, but my cable provider with all of their channels can’t spare one for the Phoenix area.

    • Fox News commentary is like attending a party where the host’s dachshund dry humps everybody’s leg. You know it is wrong and pathetic but you can’t help laughing because the poor little guy doesn’t know any better.

    • The theme of the Daily Show’s convention coverage is “Road to Jeb Bush 2016.”

      And I might, just might, have a little more respect for Jeb Bush if he would face up to the fact that the recession began under his brother’s watch, not under Obama’s, and that many of the problems our country faces are the direct result of Republican policies, some of which were put into practice under his brother.

      I really don;t believe George is a good or decent person. I think he’s a spoiled rich kid who had everything handed to him in life and he squandered it away. What Jeb doesn’t want to face is the fact that George has ruined him politically.

  9. Tweet of the Day:

    Alex Blagg ‏@alexblagg

    Not gonna lie: if we were electing a Boy Detective to solve a lunch money mystery at Junior High, I’d vote for Paul Ryan.

  10. Patricia Caroll, CNN camerawoman, gives her first interview:

    “Carroll said no one took the names of the attendees who threw peanuts at her Tuesday on the convention floor and told her, “This is what we feed animals.” She alerted fellow camera operators, producers and CNN security. The head of the delegation — she was not certain of the state — told her the perpetrators must have been alternates, not delegates. But Carroll, 34, said that as an Alabama native, she was not surprised. “This is Florida, and I’m from the Deep South,” she said. “You come to places like this, you can count the black people on your hand. They see us doing things they don’t think I should do.” Carroll noted of the Republican convention, “There are not that many black women there.” ‘

    • …the perpetrators must have been alternates, not delegates.

      What would it matter? They are attending this circus of a convention – representing the repugnant repubs.

      Racism is racism.

  11. As happens so often these days; Jon Stewart might have the best commentary on the lie fest. It’s a bit sad that his show has higher quality reporting and commentary than all but a handful of cable “news” shows can’t/won’t match.

  12. This is pretty good news:

    PHOENIX (AP) — A day after Rep. Jeff Flake easily won the Arizona Republican nomination for U.S. Senate, the daughter and granddaughter of one of the state’s most famous conservatives endorsed his opponent.

    Former Sen.Barry Goldwater’s daughter Joanne and granddaughter CC say they are supporting Democrat Richard Carmona because of his independent nature, his support of women’s rights and his proven ability to work with both parties.

      • I’m sure some have a higher resistance level than others, LL. I’ve always wondered why women choose to indulge in such silliness. You are what you are, be proud of it. Just look at Queen Antoinette. At her age she is no more a natural blonde than I’m a gorilla. Denying age and nature is a chump’s game.

        For me, I’m balding and graying. Anyone has a problem with that, that’s their problem.

          • Right back atcha, Outstanding. Hair, color and lack there of, has nothing to do with heart. Denying what nature does to us says a lot more about who we are than accepting it and living. Just look at Queen Ann who works so hard to present herself as her hubbies ever young cheerleader.

            • my wife’s gray hair is the sexiest thing you’ll every see…absolutely beautiful.

        • Heh… I may (or may not) lighten my hair because I am a paleface and brown hair washes me out. 😉

          I can quit anytime. I swear. 😉

  13. So there’s this over on Fox News

    Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech

    Read more:

    So this story has been buried on Fox’s website of course – but if you click on i and read it – it adds to the rating it is getting in Fox’s trend meter on the home page – so go ahead, make this story more popular on Fox! Before they game that system too.

  14. Apparently Clint Eastwood will be the surprise guest speaker at the RNC tonight.

    It’s just mildly inconvenient that during the GOP primaries, Eastwood was a Herman Cain supporter. Those old, white people will go crazy for Squinty.

    • Well that ‘made my day’ ….. I am reminded of Dirty Harry’s qoute from the ‘Dead Pool’ as we prepare to hear Clint’s opinion:

      “Opinions are like assholes – everyone’s got one”

      • I’d bet anything that he uses both “Make my day” AND “Do you feel lucky, punk?”

        He can also work in his signature line from ‘Gran Torino,’ which this old, white crowd will identify with: “Get off my lawn!!”

    • And there was the Chrysler commercial during the Sooper Bowel that a lot of people viewed as a pro-Obama commercial. The RWNJs were foaming at the mouth about it.

    • TerrytheTurtle
      on August 28, 2012 at 9:48 am said:
      The Holy Relic Corpse of St Ronald Raygun will be dug up, paraded around the floor and then will miraculously give a speech.

      Reply ↓

      on August 28, 2012 at 10:18 am said:
      TtT, Would they dare use a Hologram? (a la Tupac)///

    • That’s great. I know people who I wish would read it and question why they act the way they do. Of course I also know people who would read it, claim they’re nothing like that, and then drop a can of expired food in the food closet basket.

  15. I’m normally not one to call anyone one fat and/or lazy. But if a person calls others lazy, I don’t hesitate to do the following:

    Gina Rinehart is fat slob of a human being.

    She must think dealing with $30 billion is hard fucking labour.

    Disclaimer: I have no idea what this bitch did before her parents died, but I can only imagine it wasn’t much.

  16. Mad Murdoch Maligns Mousy Mitt:

    “Murdoch is in transit from his hard-core right-wing period. If he is stoutly pro-business (anti-regulation, anti-tax, anti-deficit), he is also pro-immigration, pro-gun control, pro-choice, actively focused on ways to improve the educational system, and tolerant, if not libertarian, on most social issues. In some sense, he is the kind of Republican Mitt Romney would be if Mitt Romney believed he could get elected as the real Mitt Romney—that is, Murdoch would mutter, if there is a real Mitt Romney.

    And that’s the rub for Murdoch. This is what he means when he tells people, in perhaps the most negative characterization he can make, that “Romney is not a fighter.” This is not an ideological point. In the Murdoch lexicon, “fighter” means character—and clarity.”,0

  17. A work issue that those in IT would find…incredible.

    I was inundated with emails and calls an hour ago that all my programs were not working. I logged in and sure enough, nothing is working. Seems our database server is down. Our parent company has their hands on most of our hardware and this weekend one branch is moving offices (not ours). They FORGOT to tell us that the database server will be down starting today at 5 pm until Tuesday (or sometime Monday)! Nice of them!

  18. Craig Romney looks and sounds almost too Hispanic to be Mitt’s son. I think either the pool boy or the gardener got in there ahead of ol’ Mitt.

  19. Creepy Mormon friend of Mitt giving creepier religious justification for Mitt presidency.


  20. Jesus Saves…Bishop Bennett is telling us how absolutely wonderful Mitt was to fellow parishioners.
    And of course is quoting from the fictional “buybull”!

    Mitt is the second coming of christ … at least that seems to be the gist of bishop’s droning.

  21. I have made a personal discovery while watching this convention; that I have anger issues. Oh well, better than the “clap”.

  22. Some unlikely people are finding themselves in a position where they are pretty much forced to note that the GOoPers, and especially R-Ayn, are divorced from reality. When Chris Wallace starts to point out “some things that I think were factually questionable” in a GOoPer’s speech? Sigh… the rabid FAUX”News” watchers will just claim that Wallace is a RINO, a “librul”, or in the tank for Obama. But it will be fun to see if they maybe try to backpedal a bit.

  23. Have you sen some text from Romney’s speech tonight? Here’s the beginning:

    “Four years ago, I know that many Americans felt a fresh excitement about the possibilities of a new president. That president was not the choice of our party but Americans always come together after elections. We are a good and generous people who are united by so much more than divides us.”

    HUH??? Americans did not come together. In the middle of the worst recession since the 1930s, in his first weeks in office, they voted against his stimulus, including the third of it which was tax cuts. They even opposed tax cuts because Obama proposed them! Mitch McConnell said their goal was to make Obama a one-term president.

    Oy, the Lie-O-Meter will be working overtime again tonight.

  24. I’ve been getting ready for a little road trip, and have been so busy at work that darn it; I’ve not had the time to catch any of the convention/circus. Sounds like I’m not missing all that much.

  25. Spare us – now it’s the “parade of sports stars”.
    Odd how they are forgetting the Government had to help pay for the 2002 Olympics.

  26. We just heard someone extol Romney’s sterling leadership after 9/11 – in the Olympic world. And now a reference to the WTC flag in the Salt Lake Olympics.

    What on earth does this tell us about Mitt Romney? Zero. He should be elected president because someone was able to carry a flag in the Olympics?

  27. I’ve now seen more minorities on the podium than I have by scanning the crowd at every opportunity. Again, another lie.

  28. Mitt is so attentive to dealing with Ann’s MS, yet he intends to throw 30 million people out of the opportunity to get health insurance.

  29. Clint is arguing that we should have withdrawn from Afghanistan sooner. Does he not realize that Mitt wants us to stay there indefinitely? This is highly incoherent.

  30. Apparently, telling someone to go fuck themselves is a Biden move. But it was Cheney who became famous for ACTUALLY saying that.

  31. This has now gone on too long and Mitt will be speaking later than scheduled. Add to the fact that tonight is the opening night of the college football season with games on TV and this is not good for the GOP.

  32. I’m watching Seattle Sounders play in Central America on a Spanish TV channel … somenbody tell me when to duff a finger of ‘fire water’, OK?

    • Keep tippling el Tel!
      Mittens has not descended from heaven, just yet.
      When he does you’ll need to double up on the drinking.

  33. Tweet of the Night:

    alexmassie ‏@alexmassie

    Eastwood plainly giving the father of the bride speech at a wedding at which he dislikes the groom & does not recognise his daughter.

  34. Notice also, too that we have not heard a single policy proposal tonight. Not one. Just manipulative emotionalism so far.

  35. I can’t get over Clint talking to an empty chair, and thinking the Prez was REALLY there. Rubicon cannot top that, the little sniveling whiner.

  36. This Rubio speech is more about Rubio than Romney. The Mittstory was building, and then Eastwood gave us surrealism and Rubio gives us total blather. Romney has been lost – and he’s way late, which cannot be making him happy backstage.

  37. We were just glad, Mitt, that we didn’t have another Bush. We still don’t want another rich-boy amoral sociopath like you!

  38. Mittens is using the same tried and true crap Rubio was about
    college graduates being in their parents home and not finding a job…
    tiresome and boring – echo chambers.
    Will Romney stoop to using a golfing ‘joke’?

  39. AAARGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

    Does Mitt understand that what he is saying is that Americans are entitled to permanent success?? And that government is there to ensure they do. But the whole convention has been about why government is totally irrelevant, and only the individual matters. I don’t think they even see the incoherence of their barrage of platitudes. I mean: “God Bless Neil Armstrong” in a nomination speech? WTF??

  40. Why should women have any less say about decisions about their own bodies? In fact, why should men have any say at all!

  41. LOLOL…a meme is born!!!

    Invisible Obama ‏@InvisibleObama
    Someone should tell Marco Rubio he’s standing on my foot right now.

  42. Invisible Obama ‏@InvisibleObama

    And believe me. Mitt Romney knows a thing or two about firing. At least he’s transparent about it. Then again, so am I.

  43. About risk: Romney refused to head up Bain Capital until Bain promised him he would get back his old salary and interest if he failed. He risked nothing.

  44. Respect women who start small businesses, but never trust them with their own reproductive health.
    And screw the planet, who needs it?

    • Yeah we tried that, our navy was bigger than the next two combined…. didn’t work, my great uncles were not in a ship on the Somme… country still went f***ing bankrupt.

    • I actually feel sorry for the guy, much as I did for McCain in 2008. There are good and valid reasons for some people to retire from public life.

  45. The MSNBC crowd is being more kind about Mitt’s speech than we are. I don’t think they think it was a good speech overall, but they are taking pains to find the good things and balance them with the bad things.

    I’m glad we don’t have to do that here.

    • There was no warmth emanating from that man. Maybe a smidgen when he mentioned his Mom.
      I’ve not read any mention of the over use of teleprompters…
      wonder why that is?//

    • It was thoughtless. I don’t want a president that flings out unnecessary challenges to nations that we have no reason to challenge. I’m sure I could speak warmly about my family and mother, but the rest of his crap is potentially dangerous.

    • The posters on the WaPo site seem evenly split between those who are locked and loaded and use the n-word, and those who feel the R’s would have done better to nominate Clint’s empty chair.

  46. I am glad that is over. I love the new invisible Obama meme.

    Not looking forward to Mitt as president, but the money might be too much to overcome…

    Also not looking forward to the next war with Iran.

    Maybe I’ve had too much to drink.

        • We could lock up the SCOTUS to make sure they don’t give the election to Mittens.
          Money and manipulation are a frightening scenario that the election will be ‘fair, open and honest’.
          The repubs are a dangerous lot. Devious and dangerous.

  47. Okay Rachel, Matthews, Ed, Larry, reverend Al, wtf was that about?
    You all said this night, that Mitt gave the speech he needed to make.
    How can anybody, with a sane mind or who doesn’t have their head stuck up their boss’s ass say that he “did it”. “I was moved about his dad giving his wife roses every morning.” He lied twenty times during his speech, and you give him a pass for his mommy reference. Gawd I thought the MSNBC was past that shit. Fuck you all! Goodnight, and Gawd Bless America.

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