The Watering Hole, Friday, December 28, 2012: “Blues Cruise”

From a recent article by Joe Hagan in New York Magazine, some very revealing observations, each and all laced with direct quotes of/by his “shipmates,” the combination of which seems to perfectly define the American wingnut conservative (… umm … movement? Yeah, OK, that works). So, from the ‘bowels ‘ (sotospeak) of the GOP via a post-election-get-away-from-it-all Caribbean cruise here it is, Hagan’s ‘observer’ commentary of his encounters as recorded onboard the Nieuw Amsterdam (Dutch registry) Caribbean cruise ship, cruise beginning Nov. 16 2012 in Ft. Lauderdale FL:

Who sent Obama here to destroy America?  a fifty-something woman asked.

Minorities came out like crazy. White people didn’t get to the polls. There are far more African–Americans voting than they expected. said Kevin Hassett, a former economic adviser to Mitt Romney

So what do we do with our money?  asked a tall, extremely tanned blonde named Kay, from Old Greenwich, Connecticut, of Hassett, who replied:

Okay, if Europe is what you want, go to Poland. Go to Krakow, buy a house for $50,000, and it’s going to be like Paris in a few years.

And Hagan continues: “As we drained the Pinot Noir,  Hassett gave his audience the insider’s view of the Romney campaign, describing how its election-monitoring software crashed on November 6 and Obama was probably behind it, because those guys are so evil.

The table grumbled in assent.

The thing we have to understand is, these are people who don’t have any morals, said Hassett. They’ll do anything. I’m one of their No. 1 targets. I mean, they really want me bad. I was in the middle of the fight against the propaganda, and I have stories like you wouldn’t believe. These people are so evil. They’re basically Fascists. It’s unbelievable.

So: “They’re basically Fascists.” Yeah, ok, right. Reminds me of that old adage in which the Pot accused the Black of  being a Kettle, or something close to that.

In any case, Hagan’s saga continues. Scary! And yes, it’s lengthy, too, but for those who are trying to comprehend the (incomprehensible?) undercurrent of today’s American conservative wingnut Republican ‘movement,’ it’s well worth the time. I mean hey, with wingnut luminaries such as Ralph Reed, Jonah Goldberg, John Yoo, Cal Thomas, Rich Lowry, et al. in attendance … I mean, what more could anyone ever ask?? [Well, yeah, ok, but “Fire one, fire two, fire three” went out of style in the Caribbean when, in the early forties? Still, yes, as Charles de Gualle quite likely would have said on more than one occasion, Je comprends] (sotospeak).

Back to the task at hand, one more enticing tidbit; Hagan writes:

As [Cal] Thomas downed the rest of his drink, Duane [a retired surgeon from California] said the only way out of the current quagmire is a revolution, citing the famous Thomas Jefferson line about watering the tree of liberty with blood from time to time.

What kind of revolution did he have in mind?

Duane’s eyes crinkled into a big smile. You ever heard of guns?

His wife sat up: How do you like the veal?

It’s awful, Duane growled, poking at it. I can’t hardly chew it.

And so it went. I offer kudos to Joe Hagan for having SURVIVED a week with that cluster of idiots, and offer further kudos to him for finding the means to somehow ENDURE the stupidity!

Hagan quotes National Review’s Jonah Goldberg’s summation of these recent electoral events:

This is a more downbeat bunch this year. We lost in 2008, but it was almost boisterous and fun. This, a little less so. People were dyspeptic.

Their conception of what the country is about, they really were sure the country would reject Barack Obama. I do think it hits them hard. The fear I have, why this election stung, I think, Obama has successfully ­de-ratified some of the Reagan revolution in a way that Clinton never could and didn’t even try to. That’s what freaks people out, that feeling in their gut, either Obama has changed the country, or the country has sufficiently changed that they don’t have a problem with Obama. That’s what eats at people.

As my cousin has long (always, actually) been wont to say, “Republicans forever, Democrats never!” My new response: Obama has changed the country! Yay! Finally! De-ratify! Yes! Yeehaw!‘”

Weird world, this one. Why is that? Anyone got the explanation?

This is our daily open thread — what’s on YOUR mind?

62 thoughts on “The Watering Hole, Friday, December 28, 2012: “Blues Cruise”

  1. That was well stated. It made me chuckle this morning (sotospeak).

    All I can say, right now, is, thank God the country is changing. [God is anything that one would consider to be their higher power].

  2. One characteristic of the RW mentality is its tendency to lapse into binary thinking about everything. For example, they think that all Democrats are Liberal. We know that’s not true, as in the case of Bill Clinton. Clinton was probably one of the best Republican presidents we’ve had in a long, long time. And since Obama was not “their choice,” he also must be “Evil” and the cause of all future death and destruction. I think it’s a defense mechanism they have for not accepting any blame or responsibility for the real harm they cause to those less fortunate than they.

    [Edited by me for clarity. – WAS]

    • they seem to be in denial about the Latino vote, when the Latino vote was a huge part of a successful re-election.

      but yet they really don’t understand why “shipping 11 million people back to Mexico” or “papers please” would ever piss off any particular electorate.

      • they parade out a Marco Rubio, and the Latinos are suppose to fawn and fall in line, overlooking the contempt and hatred the RW has for them…

        really who are these people, and how did they see beyond their bubble?

      • They lump all Latino/Hispanic (someone please tell me the difference and which one I should use to not be offensive) together when they are as different as African-Americans and Caribbean-Americans. There are Cuban-Americans (like Rubio) who are anti-Castro and, therefore, generally conservative (as in “anti-Communist”). But the Hispanics from Mexico and other Central American countries couldn’t care less about Castro and are more likely to be liberal in their views (but not “pro-Communist.”) This is what the republican party, in all its “inclusiveness,” doesn’t get. They think all the people who came here illegally from Mexico are anti-Castro, when they’re not.

        • The word “Hispanic” is a bit more universal than “Chicano.” Historically, areas conquered by the Spaniards were considered part of a region originally called Hispania. Modern countries which can trace their history to Spain are now considered to be Hispanic, and include Mexico, Central America, and most of South America where Spanish is the primary language. The only exception to this Hispanic designation is Brazil, which was settled by Portugal, not Spain. Any citizen of those countries originally colonized by Spain can be considered Hispanic. People from Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, Panama and other areas south of the American border would all be considered Hispanic.

          “Latino” is very close in meaning to Hispanic, but it also includes other countries such as Brazil. The regional description “Latin America” now refers to the countries where Romance languages (Spanish, Portuguese) are spoken, but was originally used by Napoleon to describe other Romance speaking (French included) territories throughout the Americas. To be described as a Latino is not considered derogatory, although it can be construed as a generic for all Hispanic cultures, much like referring to a Korean or Japanese-American as “Asian.” While “Latino” may be politically and socially correct, it may more culturally sensitive to learn a person’s specific heritage and refer to him or her as “Nicaraguan” or “Guatemalan” rather than the broader “Latino.”

          • Thanks, fatherbob. I knew the explanation had something to do with Romance languages (languages derived from Latin.) I guess that means Cubans, in addition to being Cuban, could be considered both Hispanic and Latino.

            • hey….i’ve thought the same thing, but hadn’t bothered to google it.

              we both learned something new…i suppose “Latino” is more encompassing.

  3. Last night’s The Big Picture was all information, with no RWNJs!

    Thom Hartmann’s The Big Picture

    3:20 to 12:00 Retired Lt. General Robert G. Gard, Jr. on the military cuts that would take place if the Sequester is sustained.

    14:08 to 27:37 Professor Richard Wolfe on the East Coast Dockworkers’ Strike, and the future of labor overall.

    29:30 to 37:35 Kevin Kamps of Beyond Nuclear on Japan’s government restarting nuclear plants and risk of Fukushima debris on the West Coast.

    Then a short piece about Netflix selling user’s selection history to advertisers, his The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly segment, immigration reform, Geeky Science on how th be happier, and the title segment, The Ruling Party of Billionaire-istan in his Daily Take.

    • reports that the suspected shooter has been shot and killed.

      I hope they know that using words like “reportedly,” “allegedly,” and “suspected,” does not shield them from libel and defamation charges. That said, I hope the guy they shot and killed was more than just a “suspect.” Because that makes it sound like the real shooter might still be out there somewhere.

  4. For the second time this month, a man is killed by being pushed in front of a subway train. Clearly, it’s time to ban subway trains.

  5. Looks like the only way to get the Recalcitrant party to agree to increased taxation of the 2% is to go over the cliff.
    Adjusting my W2 today in anticipation of the SSI contribution going back to 6.2% and tax rate increase.
    Now let the Recalcitrants block the tax rate reduction for the middle class for about two months.
    All the Administration needs to do is wait. There is an election in 2014. And the President isn’t up for re-election. Got that Boner>?

    • I imagine we’ll get splatted at the bottom of the cliff. Husband is a defense contractor, we live paycheck to paycheck due to unemployment in the rest of the family, and I depend on the discretionary spending of NoVA inhabitants. We’re still willing to leap rather than cave to a bunch whose only purpose is to rescind the social contract.

      • Defense contractors are gonna get plastered, especially if this goes on for more than a couple of months. Hope he’s not working on either of the useless aircraft the Pentagon doesn’t want or need…

    • She was one of my rockin darlins in the 60’s. I ripped off the phrase ‘tender charms’ from her for one of my more memorable pickup lines… heh..

  6. WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—The international terror group known as Al Qaeda announced its dissolution today, saying that “our mission of destroying the American economy is now in the capable hands of the U.S. Congress.”

    In an official statement published on the group’s website, the current leader of Al Qaeda said that Congress’s conduct during the so-called “fiscal-cliff” showdown convinced the terrorists that they had been outdone.

    “As terrorists, every now and then you have to step back and admire when someone else has beaten you at your own game,” he said. “This is one of those times.”
    The Al Qaeda leader was fulsome in his praise for congressional leaders, saying, “We have made many scary videos in our time but none of them were as terrifying as Mitch McConnell.”
    As for the future of Al Qaeda, the statement said that it would no longer be a terror network but would become “more of a social network,” offering reviews of new music, movies and video games.

    Read more:

    • Exactly. More guns will NOT prevent school shootings. If anything, we’ll end up with a tragedy where a kid gets hold of a gun brought in for the name of “safety” and end up killing himself or other kids.

      Maybe we need to let that happen for the wing nuts to finally realize that guns in schools are a bad idea.

  7. I hate December. It seems that the FSM goes on vacation and any sort of bad thing has a free shot at me. Almost every major piece of crap that has landed on me has happened in December. As a going away present, yesterday I picked up a chunk of road debris that trashed my front tire. When I went to change I discovered I didn’t have a jack. Once I got that dealt with I spent most of the rest of the day getting new tires on the front of my car.

    And when got home, I found out my godmother had died. Not totally unexpected but damn. I started out with 46 aunts and uncles. I’m down to 3 now. (My aunt and her husband who died not so long ago were my godparents).

    Come on January.

  8. Tis the season…

    Harry Carey Jr., a character actor who starred in such Westerns as “3 Godfathers” and “Wagon Master,” has died in California at the age of 91.

  9. A lovely winter’s day here on the frozen tundra. Since it hit 25F with no wind I actually got out to fly the model. I don’t think I’ve ever flown during the week between Christmas and New Year’s.

      • I have a thin set of wool glove liners that allow me pretty good feel. My old arthritic thumbs don’t even get stiff if there’s no wind to speak of. If I need the heavier gloves then I limit myself to the glider since it requires less feel.

  10. Speaking of models:

    I just ordered my Christmas present! I am nowhere near as good as the pilot in the video but i will actually end up with a little more power than the model he flies. Here’s a link for those interested in seeing a real artist at work.

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