The Watering Hole: Wednesday, January 30 – Mad Men

Cool. Makes you wish for the good old days. Or not? How was it really in the 1960s for:


One in 5 women with children under 6 and nearly one fourth of women whose children were over 16 held paid jobs in the Sixties. Their pay, however, was 60 percent of the male rate.

I guess we are still fighting over that equal pay thing.


Police activity against gay men was rife throughout the 1950s. Many homosexuals were blackmailed, although only a fraction came to the attention of the police. The film Victim of 1961 brought these issues to a mainstream audience. It starred Dirk Bogarde as a repressed, married homosexual taking on the blackmailers who drove his partner to suicide.

African Americans

On May 2, 1964, Dee and Moore were hitchhiking from Meadville, Miss. and were picked up by James Seale. Seale and other Klansmen took the two men into the surrounding Homochitto National Forest and tortured and interrogated them about a possible influx of guns in Franklin County meant to arm blacks against their white attackers. Later the same day, several of the Klansmen put Dee and Moore in the trunk of a car and hauled them across the Louisiana state line, 100 miles north to a spot on the Mississippi River. Then they dumped the men into the river, weighting their bodies down with a jeep engine block and pieces of railroad track.


Despite many efforts to keep the environment clean, some 200 million tons of pollutants were filling the air each year, and clean air in many cities had been replaced by smog. The earth, air, and water were deteriorating as construction of highways, malls, and housing developments caused the destruction of fertile, irreplaceable farmland. Disposal of wastes was another dilemma to be dealt with. Burning could release poisonous gases into the air, and burial could cause harmful decay.

People with Disabilities ?

[…]In the mid-1960s, most of the developmentally disabled patients admitted to large state facilities were children under the age of 12. States offered virtually no support to families hoping to keep their sons and daughters at home and no education for those children living outside institutions.

So Mrs. Burns handed over her son to an institution in Gainesville, Fla., two hours from Daytona Beach, where she and her husband were living at the time. He was screaming and crying and clinging to her legs. She was crying, too. He was just 8 years old.


We have come a long way since I was growing up in rural Bavaria.To me it was not paradise. I welcome the changes that happened since and am glad that I do not have to refight the battles that got us here and which were only started then. Color me paranoid, but I think shows like “Mad Men” set the atmosphere for taking us back where we do not want to go. I enjoy watching, but sometimes I shudder at the thought.

This is our Open Thread. Add your thoughts!

125 thoughts on “The Watering Hole: Wednesday, January 30 – Mad Men

  1. ah the 60’s !!

    radical changes began in our society, mostly for the betterment of civilization. “make Love, not war”, Vietnam, protests, marches, sit-ins, campus unrest, conscientious objectors, the Watts riots, civil rights, the Selma to Montgomery march, Martin Luther King, bra burning (yes!!), National Organization for Women, pot, LSD……and the music!

  2. President Obama’s popularity among constituents is rising in the early days of his second term.

    According to a Washington Post/ABC News poll, 60 percent of respondents said they had a favorable view of the president, while only 37 percent said they had an unfavorable view.

    This is the highest his favorability has been since 2009, the first year of his first term, when he received 79 percent positive responses in a similar poll. It’s also up from last year’s ratings, which found his popularity in the 50 percent range.

  3. Meet Mo Cowan, the Temporary Senator from Massachusetts

    Though described by CBS as “one of the best-kept secrets in town,” the Cowan’s name surfaced two days ago in the Boston Globe. His impressive résumé explains why: he served as Deval Patrick’s chief of staff after a career as an an attorney, and is involved with several Boston philanthropies.

    So, no Senator Barney Frank. Oh well.

  4. I have never been able to enjoy watching Mad Men because it is too realistic and depresses me reminding me how life was when I was a child. This not the Donna Reed Show or Leave it to Beaver represents my childhood.

    • Interesting. I didn’t like that time either. To me, child of middle class parents, it was full of dont’s. And what I hated most, I was a girl and wasn’t supposed to like football. People were so narrowminded. And all that flowerpower was definitely not done where I come from. There it was more like “under Hitler they would have seen to those dirty moochers. Not everything was bad under Hitler” where I came from. Ugh.

    • I’ve never seen Mad Men, but growing up in the 60’s was quite frightening at times. So much unrest, Kennedy’s assassination, the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. the talk of nuclear war, Vietnam, riots etc., fear seemed to be a way of life at times, especially in my preteen years.

      but it was also exhilarating as things started changing so quickly…the peace movement, being a “hippie”, love, the sexual revolution, the start of the “ecology” movement, the civil rights movement, the space race, women’s rights….

  5. Of course this means we can’t talk about gun control, because it’s “too soon.” Then when it’s okay to talk about it, then the next gun-related issue will have occurred, and then it’s “too soon.”

    Given that a gun-related killing takes place so often, it’s going to be forever “too soon” to talk about gun control.

    The time is now. Right now. To talk about gun control.

  6. Gabby Giffords spoke, on gun violence, in front of the Senate.

    “Violence is a big problem. Too many children are dying. Too many children. We must do something,” she said, reading a statement and acknowledging that her injuries make it difficult for her to speak. “It will be hard, but the time is now,” she told the Senate Judiciary Committee.

  7. The days of “Mad Men” were the days when sexual harassment on the job was acceptable and women were required to serve the men coffee. My first job out of high school was at a bank. The newly hired women were required to spend one day at “charm school” classes. One thing that I remember from that class was the instructor telling us to watch our weight. She warned us about gaining three pounds a year. That was the only sound advice that I can remember.

  8. Gun advocate tells Senate: AR-15 is the ‘weapon of choice’ for women with crying babies

    “Young women are speaking out as to why AR-15 weapons are their weapon of choice,” Trotter explained. “The guns are accurate. They have good handling. They’re light. They’re easy for women to hold.”

    She added: “And most importantly, their appearance. An assault weapon in the hands of a young woman defending her babies in her home becomes a defense weapon, and the peace of mind that a woman has as she’s facing three, four, five violent attackers, intruders in her home, with her children screaming in the background, the peace of mind that she has knowing that she has a scary-looking gun gives her more courage when she’s fighting hardened, violent criminals.”

    Yeah, right…maybe use the money to move out of that shitty neighborhood?

    • You know I liked the ‘A-team’ too when I was growing up….. then I grew up and well we know that the ‘A-team’ is just a TV show…

    • Anyone who isn’t insanely reckless would never fire an AR-15 in a residential neighborhood. The bullets are very capable of penetrating the boogeyman, the wall behind him, the wall behind that wall, and the child asleep in his/her bed. Once again. Ask the experts. They are nearly unanimous in the opinion that a shotgun is the best weapon for home defense. They are light enough, effective enough, and scary enough to do the job without endangering every other person within a mile. They also have the added benefit of not requiring accuracy and, in the case of a pump action, they have a wonderfully intimidating “ka-chunk” sound.

      Of course, these freaks aren’t really concerned about home defense. There are a few who live in a Red Dawn fantasy world but the overwhelming majority just think it’s fun and cool to be able to fire the most ammo in the shortest time. There reactions to mere discussion of new gun regulations are more like a toddler threatened with having a toy taken away than someone who has rational concerns about defending their homes and families.

    • Okay, we need to have another discussion within this gun control discussion. And that is, if holding a weapon capable of killing any human who comes your way gives you “peace of mind,” then you don’t belong in this discussion. You are fucking sick!

  9. Judge rules that NCAA players’ lawsuit seeking a cut of the television revenue pie that the NCAA itself gets can go forward. This shit just got real…

  10. First Chinese edition of Finnegans Wake by James Joyce sells out 8,000 print run in just weeks but faces backlash as author is called ‘mentally ill’.

    …It took translator Dai Congrong, of Shanghai’s Fudan University, eight years to turn Joyce’s complex stream of consciousness style into Chinese, and publisher Wang Weisong, of the Shanghai People’s Publishing House, described the success of the book as being “totally unexpected”..

  11. Oh yippee doodle! Look what is heading my way this evening.

    Hope I don’t lose power. 😯

    • And there is more…



      • I heard that a major highway in Ohio was closed this morning because of tornado warnings.

        It’s 65 degrees outside, dropping to 46 tonight and then a low of 25 on Thursday night. The high will be 30 on Friday with a 30% chance of f*%#ing snow. This has been the ugliest January that I can remember.

  12. It’s clear that you don’t have to be smart to be in the Senate.

    Chuck Todd asked the senator, “Can you envision a way of supporting the universal background checks bill?” Alexander replied, “Chuck, I’m going to wait and see on all of these bills. You know, I think video games is [sic] a bigger problem than guns, because video games affect people. But the First Amendment limits what we can do about video games and the Second Amendment to the Constitution limits what we can do about guns.”

    Let’s ask Gabby Giffords’ opinion about whether or not “guns affect people.”

    The fuckwitted Senator will very likely vote to limit violent video games, but he’ll never vote to limit guns.

    Your argument is invalid.

    • Hey, don’t give Senator Numbnuts such a hard time, some of the boxes those things come in have *very* sharp, pointy corners…

    • Too much teh video games, that’s the problem. Uhh, yup, and not enough Jesus. Lamar, what did Jesus say about our Constitution?

    • In the very, very near future, drones will be moving products across the country and around the world. FedEx and UPS are already planning on using commercial drones for shipping. Someone will need to ‘fly’ these drones and video games will be the stepping stone to learn how to control the unmanned planes from a computer screen. These will be the jobs of the future. Besides, there is too much money to be made with the video games.

      Maybe the Senator is opposed to the free market.

    • I’m not the oldest person who pays video games but I could be in a few years. I don’t think that there’s much question that they can make some types of personality disorder worse but I’ve never seen any concrete evidence that they are a primary cause.

      I was a natural for someone who would fall into playing video games. I’m shy almost to the point of being antisocial and already flew radio control planes when they came out. Then I shattered my leg in a car accident and a young friend loaned me his Atari game console and became very interested in manipulating little bits of light on a screen but I gave it back and didn’t pursue the hobby at the time. Then computer flight simulators came out and I was seriously hooked. A perfect diversion for a model flier when one can’t fly a model. In fact, flight sims made me a much more proficient flier.

      Since then my curiosity has led me to play some of the other kinds of games and I’ve learned to enjoy examples from most genres. I’m also frequently amused when I’m shopping for a new game and some teenager asks me if I’m shopping for my kids or (gasp!) grandkids.

      My experience is that a game can get into your head and I’ve had some very vivid, sweaty, dreams of trying to shoot down ALL the planes in a given mission. That’s where they can exacerbate some underlying problems. On the other hand, I don’t think of those “kills” as anything but manipulating bits of light. Video games can certainly help someone practice hand/eye coordination and situational awareness. Those where one builds up a character or a party of characters or even a mock civilization can also teach organizational skills aimed at achieving a goal. It’s only in very severe cases of people who probably exhibit behavior that should disqualifying one from owning deadly weapons that they become a serious problem. An obsession with violent games is a symptom that should ring warning bells not a cause of dangerous personality disorders and making them a scapegoat for mass shootings is pure insanity.

      • Pete, with your RC flying experience and from what Cats said above I sense a chance for a new career for you flying a drone for UPS from your own home.

        I’d imagine this service would be ideal for small deliveries to remote areas with few people, rudimentary roads and short runways.

        • I’d imagine this service would be ideal for small deliveries to remote areas with few people, rudimentary roads and short runways.
          … And a castle doctrine. Much safer for the UPS guy.

  13. “Another striking moment comes at the eight-minute mark of the video when Denver University Law School Adjunct Professor David Kopel responds to a question from Durbin about magazine capacity by saying “thank goodness” the Aurora, Colorado, shooter had a 100-round magazine because it turned out to be a “piece of junk” that jammed. That has to be the strangest argument in favor of high-capacity magazines that I’ve ever heard. I wonder if he’d change the argument if he felt that magazine quality had improved?” — DailyKos

      • Was that 100-round magazine made in the USA? Is Professor Kopel bashing American-made products? Then isn’t this an indictment of our manufacturing in general? I put it to you, Professor – isn’t this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can say whatever you want to Congress, but I’m not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America!

  14. To recap today on the Hill:

    Wayne LaPierre: Background checks won’t catch bad guys because they’ll simply not buy a gun to avoid being caught.

    Sen. Durbin: That’s the fucking point, idiot.

  15. Read an interesting article in a local up nort paper today. I think it was an AP piece. It talked about how the cops can track almost any motor vehicle, whether it has been used in a crime or not, via the massive computerized data bases for vehicle registration. Yet a gun doesn’t enter into any sort of data base until after it is used in a crime. Then the procedure is to go back to the manufacturer and then attempt to track the sale through whatever gun dealer it was sold to. If the dealer has gone out of business (and according to the ATF they do so at a rate of over a million per year) they have to track the paper copies of the various transactions, none of which are standardized forms.

    It is way past time to duplicate the auto registration and license system for guns. You buy a gun, you pass a gun safety course then register the weapon. You get a title for the gun and it follows the gun, whether through private sale or inheritance, just like a car.

  16. Ronald Reagan’s Childhood Home To Be Bulldozed For Possible Future Home Of Obama Library

    President Ronald Reagan’s childhood home in Chicago is scheduled to be demolished. The University of Chicago recently purchased the property and announced that it intends to turn the property into a parking lot. According to a report in The Washington Times, that plot could soon be the parking lot for the future site of President Barack Obama’s presidential library.

    This’ll go over in Wingnutland…Like a lead balloon!

  17. Amazing stuff. Mike Dash profiles the Lykov family, which, for 40 years, survived in the wilderness completely disconnected from the rest of humanity:

    “The Lykov children knew there were places called cities where humans lived crammed together in tall buildings. They had heard there were countries other than Russia. But such concepts were no more than abstractions to them. Their only reading matter was prayer books and an ancient family Bible. Akulina had used the gospels to teach her children to read and write, using sharpened birch sticks dipped into honeysuckle juice as pen and ink.

    Another highlight:

    “Old Karp was usually delighted by the latest innovations that the scientists brought up from their camp, and though he steadfastly refused to believe that man had set foot on the moon, he adapted swiftly to the idea of satellites. The Lykovs had noticed them as early as the 1950s, when “the stars began to go quickly across the sky,” and Karp himself conceived a theory to explain this: “People have thought something up and are sending out fires that are very like stars.”

    “What amazed him most of all,” Peskov recorded, “was a transparent cellophane package. ‘Lord, what have they thought up—it is glass, but it crumples!'” ‘

  18. Hmmm….so violent video games are the cause of all these massacres *yawn*. Odd, I’ve never heard of a massacre where the assailant murdered his victims with a violent video game. Perhaps we should start arming our solders and police with these deadly video games.

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