The Watering Hole, Monday, July 29th, 2013: Saint Ronnie? I Don’t Think So!

I have always had great admiration for President James Earl Carter. I confess that I did not start voting until 1988, after I married Wayne (so Clinton was “my first.”) But my parents were pretty staunch Democrats who voted for Carter, and in those times we actually did sit down to watch the evening news every night, and I watched the Sunday political shows with my dad each weekend – which, of course, usually ended with me taking a nap. So I was not completely ignorant of political machinations, especially with dad filling me in on the background issues.

President Carter’s administration covered some troubled times, but he always spoke to the nation in a unique combination of down-home-folksy Sheriff Andy and subtly eloquent professor. That he is still, and always will be, derided by Republicans as one of the worst Presidents in history, just proves how little the Republicans respect intellect and integrity.

President Jimmy (as I like to call him) differentiated himself from too many other former Presidents by, after leaving office, continuing for decades to serve his planet, his country, and humanity in general. Jimmy and Rosalynn remain wonderful examples of “public service” at its most noble.

Here’s a selection of interviews, articles, and videos, all from the last year or two, which include President Carter’s views on America’s dysfunctional democracy and the effect of Edward Snowdon’s NSA leaks; his speech at the Carter Center’s “Mobilizing Faith for Women” conference on June 23, 2013; and an interview with CNN’s Piers Morgan from January 2012 on a wide range of topics, but mostly about the Middle East.

And saving the best for last, here’s Part 1 and Part 2 of President Carter’s appearance on The Daily Show, April 9th, 2013.

In my opinion, no other President has acted so Presidential after leaving office as has President Jimmy Carter. The right-wing can criticize and ridicule him all they want, but Jimmy deserves beatification to sainthood much more than their much-vaunted but historically inaccurate Saint Ronnie.

jimmy and rosalynn

This is our Open Thread. What’s your opinion about President Jimmy Carter? Or on anything else, for that matter.

85 thoughts on “The Watering Hole, Monday, July 29th, 2013: Saint Ronnie? I Don’t Think So!

  1. Ronald Reagan used the Iran hostage sitution against President Carter in a most despicable fashion.
    Ronnie Raygun is a benchmark in history for the U.S. middle class that marks the stagnation of U.S. workers wages up this present day

  2. My sole complaint about Jimmy Carter popped up just the other day — and I don’t yet know any of the details — when I heard the one-liner that for whatever reason, he supported the Zimmerman verdict. I imagine he has what he considers to be good and sound reasons. I, on the other hand, think that no matter what the law says or what the judge instructs or whatever else plays ‘legally’ in the matter, to set a goddamned murderer of an unarmed innocent youth loose is a massive injustice. Period.

    Reagan, meanwhile, was a criminal, a fact which he demonstrated for all to see in the election of 1980 and his manipulation of the Iran hostages for his own electoral benefit. I remember well my shock when on the day of his inauguration in January of 1981 a news bulletin announced the release of the hostages. Reagan smelled like ratshit from that point on (undoubtedly because he WAS just that).

    • “to set a goddamned murderer of an unarmed innocent youth loose is a massive injustice”

      I’d like to second that emotion.

  3. I see that Think Progress has gone the HuffPo route for a front page. Now it’s even more confusing to pick out the most recent stories since it’s a three column jumble of crap to weed through. One reason I don’t care much for Raw Story and TPM is the same style front page. That’s what I like about DU, is that pretty much everything comes through the ‘Latest Threads’ page as it goes up on the forum pages.

    • Yep. I (admittedly tech-ignorant… or ignorant in general…) am already confused by their new format. Was done posting there years ago, now I guess I’m gonna be done reading TP. Looks like the articles themselves are shorter, too.

  4. It was always my opinion (without evidence) that Carter was not recognozed as a great president becasue he spent more energy actually doing the job correctly than politicking. But just my opinion, and I didn’t pay attention to politics during his time in office (Bush and 9/11 brought my attention to our politics).

  5. That’s a good post…. attitudes to Reagan and Carter do indeed indicate the differences between the political sides. I think you just need to ask someone which of the two ‘was the better American’ to know who you are talking to.

  6. The Right will always hate and mock President Carter. This is a man, after all, who dared challenge the notion that the US was perfect in every way and that we needed to change behaviors now in order to survive the future, especially in terms of energy consumption.

    • Questions the press will never ask Steve KKKing….

      “Congressman, what colour is your shit? Is it in fact white too?”

  7. Value Of Stolen Cannes Jewels Revised To 100m Euros

    The value of jewels stolen in a dramatic theft in the French Riviera resort of Cannes has been raised to about 103m euros ($136m; £89m).

    The figure was given by a French prosecutor. It would make the Carlton Hotel raid one of the biggest gem robberies in Europe this century.

    An armed man seized the gems from an exhibition of diamonds by the jeweller Leviev on Sunday morning.

    What would be ironic is if the wealthy owners of these jewels had the insurance company they used declare bankruptcy and they were unable to recover the value in litigation. What happens to the citizens of West, Texas and Lac-Mégantic, Quebec, should happen to the 0.1%.

    • I don’t agree with this premise entirely. Clear Channel syndicates Limbaugh, and wants out of the deal with Cumulus so he can be on their own stations. Cumulus wants out so they can put Huckabee on against Rush. Levin or Weiner-Savage will probably move into the spot opposite Hannity.
      Ed Schultz opened his show today talking about the damage Limbought did to all political talk radio by causing advertisers to not want ads on Left or Right talk radio. They have realized ads on either side can receive a backlash from the other, so they just spend their money on safer shows.

  8. My first ever presidential vote was for Jimmy Carter. Despite the fact that he, like President Obama, was a well educated and intelligent man, the righties immediately started to portray him as weak and ineffectual.

  9. Pig + Ape = Man.

    The Zoo, indeed. This is creepy:

    “Dr. Eugene McCarthy is a Ph.D. geneticist who has made a career out of studying hybridization in animals. He now curates a biological information website called where he has amassed an impressive body of evidence suggesting that human origins can be best explained by hybridization between pigs and chimpanzees. Extraordinary theories require extraordinary evidence and McCarthy does not disappoint. Rather than relying on genetic sequence comparisons, he instead offers extensive anatomical comparisons, each of which may be individually assailable, but startling when taken together. Why weren’t these conclusions arrived at much sooner? McCarthy suggests it is because of an over-dependence on genetic data among biologists. He argues that humans are probably the result of multiple generations of backcrossing to chimpanzees, which in nucleotide sequence data comparisons would effectively mask any contribution from pig. …

    When I asked McCarthy if he could give a date estimate for the hybridization event, he said that there are a couple broad possibilities:

    (1) It might be that hybridization between pigs and apes produced the earliest hominids millions of years ago and that subsequent mating within this hybrid swarm eventually led to the various hominid types and to modern humans; (2) separate crosses between pigs and apes could have produced separate hominids (and there’s even a creepy possibility that hybridization might even still be occurring in regions where Sus and Pan still seem to come into contact, like Southern Sudan).

    This latter possibility may not sound so far-fetched after you read the riveting details suggesting that the origin of the gorilla may be best explained by hybridization with the equally massive forest hog. This hog is found within the same habitat as the gorilla, and shares many uncommon physical features and habits. Furthermore, well-known hybridization effects can explain many of the fertility issues and other peculiarities of gorilla physiology.

    It is not yet clear if or when genetic data might support, or refute, our hybrid origins. The list of anatomical specializations we may have gained from porcine philandering is too long to detail here. Suffice it to say, similarities in the face, skin and organ microstructure alone are hard to explain away. A short list of differential features, for example, would include, multipyramidal kidney structure, presence of dermal melanocytes, melanoma, absence of a primate baculum (penis bone), surface lipid and carbohydrate composition of cell membranes, vocal cord structure, laryngeal sacs, diverticuli of the fetal stomach, intestinal “valves of Kerkring,” heart chamber symmetry, skin and cranial vasculature and method of cooling, and tooth structure. Other features occasionally seen in humans, like bicornuate uteruses and supernumerary nipples, would also be difficult to incorporate into a purely primate tree.”

  10. Has anyone posted this yet? Buzzfeed called it “The Most Embarrassing Interview Fox News Has Ever Done,” and that is saying something. Enjoy.

  11. $177 later, and my prescriptions are refilled for another six months — and I haven’t even picked up the meds.

    Holy fuck. 😯

    Hurry up, Obamacare!!

      • As long as I can get decent health care that doesn’t drive me into homelessness, I’ll risk the socialism and death panels. And I’ll wish the same on all y’all! 😀

        • I inquired about just purchasing my son’s none too unusual acne cream while waiting to get in the system for husband’s new job/insurance. It was over $200.00 and it’s just benzoyl peroxide and some antibiotic. Bring on the socialism!

            • We tried every soap possible. Now with insurance it’s back to $20. I just feel bad for the kid who’s family is uninsured and can’t afford the meds.

    • The war of drugs has nothing to do with South America.
      My Dr. prescibed blood pressure medicine of some kind and I took it as he instructed.
      I slept for over 1 and 1/2 days.
      I think the dose was a little bit strong.

    • The doc outfit I last went to was $155, which included the labwork. I may be able to hold out until January before I go back. Now I just have to get back to work.

          • For comparison I recently went to my Doc for annual check up, which included blood work, stool exam, finger up the arse, an aorta sonogram, a prescription, a couple of bad jokes, tetanus booster, and it cost me $30, my copay. Medicare for all!

            • I have never had better insurance than Medicare. Of course, the insurance from my last employer dropped me as soon as they decided that my chronic illness, caused by the negligence of said last employer, was a disqualifying “preexisting condition”. I lost pretty much everything covering medical expenses out of pocket before I qualified for Medicare but now I know that I won’t walk into a pharmacy for my medications and be informed that I have to fork over $800.00 if I actually want to take the meds that keep me alive or call an ambulance because I’m having a seizure and be told that I need to pay them for the last ambulance run before they will come and get me. But?

              What really pisses me off is all the right-wingers who claim that Medicare is “free government health care” when, in fact, we recipients still pay premiums and co-pays even after paying in to the system for our working lives.

        • My old doc outfit only charged $85 for an office visit, but the last time I did bloodwork with them. Blue Cross/Blue Shield reneged on covering the lab fee, and the office visit. I ended up owing the doctor an extra $105 ($35 co-pay already paid) and the lab claims I owe them $800. I paid the doctor, but I’m not paying the lab fee until I can’t avoid it. That’s why I changed doctors, as well as the old place quit being walk-in, requiring appointments now.

            • And never go to a doctor with an elaborate in house lab. You will suddenly need lots of lab work.

          • Scout is doing great. Thanks for asking. She is, what should I say, a real dog! That is, she is hard of learning LOL She absolutely loves people and dogs and wants to lick and play with all! She jumps on people to give them a lick on the face and well, that’s not great so we really have to work on it. Right now, she is impatiently waiting to go for a walk, so I better oblige.

    • I was checking into the cost of Medicare Part D and coverage for my one medication that I am required to take for my eyes. The monthly cost of the drug was $60.00 until it hit the ‘donut hole’, then the price of the drug was $295.00 for a one month supply. I’ll never understand the benefit of the ‘donut hole’ to seniors.

  12. I don’t go to the doctor unless I absolutely have to. My one medication that I’m apparently on for the rest of my years is Warfarin (rat poison, blood thinner). I once had to go to a lab every month to have clotting time checked. The tab was about $90. These days, our local pharmacist is licensed to check INR with a drop of blood from a pricked finger, he charges $20. A 90 day supply of Warfarin, before Medicare, required a $20 copay at Walmart (which was the most convenient place to go even though I never shop at one of those joints for anything else); here, at the local pharmacy, the same Rx is $21, no copay involved. I guess my Medicare-Advantage with Kaiser Permanente doesn’t cover it until later in the year when they cover a part of it. I have no idea why that is, but I’m not inclined to worry about it. So far the doc is OK with the pharmacist’s clotting check so long as I get it done monthly. Hope it stays that way, given my basic hatred of all things medical.

    Forty years ago, before the days of HMO and PPO, my local doc in Phoenix charged $5 for an office visit. He apologized profusely when he had to raise the tab to $7.50 because of huge increases in malpractice insurance premiums that signaled the beginning of the health care system’s collapse to the mess it is today. Patient’s costs have soared ever since, but for no damn reason other than to increase the profits of freakin’ insurance companies.

    Solution: universal single payer, put the goddamned insurance companies out of business once and for all and for good. It’s so simple.

    • National Cathedral Green Paint Vandalism Arrest in DC

      A woman was arrested in green paint vandalism at Washington National Cathedral on Monday afternoon, according to DC Police.

      Assistant Chief Peter Newsham said the woman was arrested in the area of the cathedral Monday after green paint was found splattered there.

      Officials said that green paint was found spattered on the pipe organ console and casework. The paint was still wet when they discovered it.

  13. Trains aren’t having much luck in the last week in Europe.

    44 injured as two trains collide head-on in Switzerland

    Two passenger trains collided in Switzerland early Monday evening, leaving 44 wounded, four of whom are in serious condition. One person is still missing.

    “As our train arrived at the station, another train collided into us – it was very violent,” one passenger, who had been on board one of the mangled trains, told local paper Geneva Tribune. Police sources confirmed to AP that 44 have been injured, with one yet to be recovered from the wreckage.

    Local media reports suggest that it is one of the drivers who needs to be located.

  14. I may have posted this photo before, but with the talk about yachts, I thought I’d show it. We were at a wedding being held at a big restaurant overlooking the Hudson. The shot I put up last Monday was taken then, too. I didn’t even notice until I saw the photo that there was a helicopter parked on the stern. Not quite the lavish floating mansion on sale, but…

    WTF - a helicopter?

    WTF – a helicopter?

    • There’s little Eric, waiting in the wings. How sad that his sole ambition is to take leadership of a rudderless ship that he will be unable to command.

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