Sunday Roast, August 11, 2013: They’re Both Wrong

Just this past Thursday (remember that day; a mere three days ago) Rep. Markwayne Mullin (R-OK) had an unpleasant conversation with a constituent who insisted that Barack Obama was constitutionally ineligible to be the President of the United States. She claimed to have proof in the form of some papers supposedly gathered by Arizona Bigot-Extraordinaire Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse (which I sincerely hope didn’t use a penny of taxpayer money pursuing this non-crime), but the Congressman was not interested in looking at them. He said to her (and it sure sounds like this to my hard-of-hearing ears), “I don’t even give a shit.” She tried to claim it was “a matter of law.” For his part, the Congressman’s argument was that “We had four years to take care of that,” and that because Obama was re-elected, it was a “dead issue” and “we lost that argument.”

They’re both wrong.

No matter how many times they bring it up, there is absolutely no validity to the argument that Barack Obama is constitutionally ineligible to be President of the United States by virtue of his birth circumstances. He was born August 4, 1961, in Hawaii, which by that time was a State in the United States. His mother was an American citizen at the time of his birth. That makes him a Natural Born Citizen. All those stories about him being born in Kenya are lies. They are based on a misrepresentation of an interview with Obama’s grandmother. The Birthers claim she said she was in the room in Kenya when Obama was born. What she actually said was that she was in the room when they got the call from the United States that Obama had been born in Hawaii. But, suppose for the sake of argument, he really was born in Kenya. Senator Ted Cruz is making the argument that even though he was born in Canada, his mother was an American citizen, so that makes him an American citizen by birth. Well, if that makes Ted Cruz an American citizen, then certainly Barack Obama, whose mother was an American citizen, would be an American citizen regardless of his place of birth. And before the 2008 elections, both Senators Obama (D-IL) and Hillary Clinton (D-NY), sponsored legislation declaring that even though Senator John McCain (R-AZ) was born in the Panama Canal Zone, he was a Natural Born American Citizen. So that’s why she’s wrong, but what about him?

Well, I say he’s wrong because he seems to think that the matter of whether or not Barack Obama is constitutionally eligible to be POTUS is something that can be decided by the American People in a vote. It isn’t. Even if Obama were constitutionally ineligible to be POTUS and he won with 100% of the vote, it still wouldn’t matter because unless we’re voting on whether something should be an amendment to the Constitution, the American People are not constitutionally empowered to decide the constitutionality of anything. That’s for the Judicial Branch of our government. That was made quite clear in Marbury v. Madison, and nothing you or I say can change that. In fact, even if We the People voted to pass an Amendment to a State Constitution (pick one, it doesn’t matter) that violated the Federal Constitution, it wouldn’t be valid. The Federal Constitution trumps all. It is, in the words of the Constitution, “the supreme Law of the Land.”

Mullin spokesperson Ashley Kehl, in addition to claiming that Mullin is not a birther, also claimed that Mullin didn’t say, “I don’t even give a shit,” but rather “Don’t even give me it.” It sure sounds like he said “I don’t even give a shit” to me. What about you?

This is our daily open thread. Feel free to discuss birthers and the stupid things they believe, or any other topic you wish to discuss.

97 thoughts on “Sunday Roast, August 11, 2013: They’re Both Wrong

  1. Let’s see. You wanted to have God lead you somewhere. So you got in a boat, and encountered storm, after storm, after storm. You end up lost. In the end you end up back where you started.

    And you want to then come up with a new plan?

    What happened to the plan of having God tell you where he wanted you? Seems like a pretty clear message to me. He wants you where you are.

    Religious family abandons US, gets lost at sea – Yahoo! News

    A northern Arizona family that was lost at sea for weeks in an ill-fated attempt to leave the U.S. over what they consider government interference in religion will fly back home Sunday.

    Hannah Gastonguay, 26, said Saturday that she and her husband “decided to take a leap of faith and see where God led us” when they took their two small children and her father-in-law and set sail from San Diego for the tiny island nation of Kiribati in May.


    Hannah Gastonguay said the family will now “go back to Arizona” and “come up with a new plan.”

    • And how did they get back home? More government “interference”: ‘Their flights home were arranged by U.S. Embassy officials.’

      • Reminds me of an old story:

        It had rained hard for days, and the river was rising fast. Many people fled to higher ground, but one extremely religious (Republican, obviously) man stayed in his home where he prayed that God save him from the flood waters. When the waters rose to the level of his front door, a boat came by to rescue him. He said no thanks, “God will save me.” The water kept rising until soon he was on the second floor staring out the window at the ever-deepening waters. Another boat came by to rescue him, and again he said no, the “God will save me.” A few hours later he was on the highest peak of his roof, flood waters lapping at his feet. A helicopter flew to him, dropped a rope ladder, and invited him to climb aboard. He said no thanks, that “God will save me.”

        He drowned.

        When he got to heaven, he was MAD, and demanded to see God. When he finally got in, he said to God, “I’ve been your servant all my life. I prayed to you and begged you to save me from the flood waters, and then I drowned. WHY? Where were you when I needed you?”

        God looked at him, frowned, shook his head, and said, “I sent two boats and a helicopter to rescue you, so what the hell’s your problem?”

  2. Rep. Peter King (R-eally?) says he’s seriously considering running for President.

    And you thought GOP pols didn’t have a sense of humor.

  3. “Well aware that Almighty God hath created the mind free; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burdens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion, who being Lord both of body and mind, yet chose not to propagate it by coercions on either, as was in his Almighty power to do; that the impious presumption of legislators and rulers, civil as well as ecclesiastical, who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time; ” more.
    That’s for you Bishop Batshit, Kookinelli, Bryan Fischer, all you fallible and uninspired men. You admire the founding fathers so, listen to one of them. Thomas Jefferson considered his authorship of The Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom one of his finest accomplishments.

  4. I find it interesting that the same folks who post “God Loves You” and “Don’t Say Anything If You Don’t Have Something Nice to Say” on Facebook, are also the ones who post the nastiest things about Obama and Democrats.

  5. I’m re-watching Torchwood’s “Children of Earth” series, featuring the next Doctor, Peter Capaldi.

    Damn, the whole premise of this series just send chills up my spine.

    • It was a cloning experiment gone bad…they tried to clone The Donald using dna from a strand of his hair, and that’s the result. The original Donald is as bald as Lex Luther.

  6. Steve King, Donald Trump, and Louie Gohmert on Sunday morning talk shows.

    Yeah, so how’s that re-branding going, GOP?

      • Had nearly forgotten about Roy Moore, ‘the ten commandments’ crusader who uttered:

        “Separation of church and state does not mean separation of God and government!”

        • I don’t remember hearing that quote. That’s hilariously ignorant. This is an example of Republican Conservatives not knowing what words mean. Did he ever explain how they could NOT mean the exact same thing?

          • From a Time article 28 August 2003

            � Moore: Separation of church and state does not forbid the acknowledgment of God. The words “wall of separation between church and state” come from Thomas Jefferson who also wrote the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence. What Jefferson said was that it was God the creator who gave us our rights, government was there to secure them for us and if it didn’t it should be abolished. Do you separate God and government? I say not. I think [Jefferson] intimately connected God and government because it was those rights that God gave us that government was to secure for us. We’ve changed the First Amendment into a sword to take our life rights from us instead of a shield to protect them for us.

            � TIME: A lot of people don’t see it that way.

            � Moore: A lot of people have been deceived by false representation of separation of church and state saying it forbids an acknowledgment of God. Indeed, the very words “separation of church and state” do not say “separation of God and government.” The very separation of church and state exists because God ordained both the state and the church and gave them different roles and functions

            • When I get religiously accosted by that sort of bullshit I tell them that if they can do one should-be-simple task, then we can talk: offer me some tidbit of IRREFUTABLE and VERIFIABLE evidence that their god, or any other god for that matter, currently exists or has ever existed. So far, nada on the evidentiary part, but the silence is endearing.

  7. Ask Ed question:
    If Republicans were fish, what kind would they be?
    His answer was he’d need an hour for that one!

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