The Watering Hole, Saturday, October 12, 2013: Columbus

On October 12, 1492, Spanish-financed, Italian explorer Christopher Columbus (not his real name, just how we pronounce it in this country) set foot in the Bahamas. Long before it became a national holiday in 1937, Columbus Day was celebrated October 12, 1792 in New York City. In 1971, Congress moved the Columbus Day observation to the second Monday in October. (So Jane can write about it again on Monday, should she so desire. :)) Much of what we think we know about Columbus did not come from personal diaries, but rather public letters to wealthy monarchs from whom he was hoping to raise funds. So he may have embellished things a tad in his own favor. (Wouldn’t you?) There is controversy over where his bones are buried. The director of the Columbus Lighthouse in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic, insists the bones buried there are those of the famed explorer. But a DNA test on bones found in a cathedral in Seville, Spain, the city in which Columbus was first interred and from which later moved, match those of his brother. Because of his fathering an illegitimate child, Columbus was denied sainthood by Pope Leo XIII.

This is our daily open thread. Feel free to discuss Christopher Columbus, Christopher Walken, Detective Columbo, or anything else you wish.

34 thoughts on “The Watering Hole, Saturday, October 12, 2013: Columbus

  1. In fourteen hundred ninety-two
    Columbus sailed the ocean blue,
    It was a courageous thing to do
    But someone was already here.

    Columbus knew the world was round
    So he looked for the East while westward bound,
    But he didn’t find what he thought he found,
    And someone was already here.

    The Inuit and Cherokee,
    The Aztec and Menominee,
    The Onandaga and the Cree;
    Columbus sailed across the sea,
    But someone was already here.

    It isn’t like it was empty space,
    Caribs met him face to face.
    Could anyone discover the place
    When someone was already here?


    So tell me, who discovered what?
    He thought he was in a different spot.
    Columbus was lost, the Caribs were not;
    They were already here.


    • And the ancient Greeks knew the world was round so Columbus didn’t make any discoveries. All he did was destroy a culture just for gold. Funny how some people worship gold. It doesn’t sustain life. The only thing that gold does is create stuff. If you can’t eat it or drink it or breathe it, then it has no true value. It’s only value is what greedy people place on it.

  2. In late October of 2007 I was visiting my Cherokee lover, and her family, outside of Kansas City, Missouri. Being a beautiful cool night, a large fire was started in a pit in the back yard to keep the chill at bay while we conversed about our personal histories, heritages, hopes, and the warming of the moment. Feeling free I forgot I was a white man and our propensity to speak of things that are biased, and without merit to the people I was addressing. I asked what they were going to do at Thanksgiving, and a chorus of eight people instructed me that they call it the Day of Mourning.
    Wait for it…I asked why? Immediately I was forced, in atonement, to down in rapid succession six bottles of Corona, then cleansed with burning sage of my idiocy. Indian justice was administered, and I smelled really good.

  3. So Ted Cruz was at the White House yesterday?

    Obama Smacks Down a Disrespectful Ted Cruz During White House Meeting

    Obama isn’t going to be bullied by Ted Cruz. The difference is that Ted Cruz is pretending that he is a leader with power, while Barack Obama is the twice elected President of the United States. President Obama has the numbers on his side. The American people are clamoring for Obamacare. Thanks to the Cruz led government shutdown, the ACA is getting more popular each day.

    • What is with all this disrespect of others that the Tea Bag Party feels entitled to? I remember those town hall meetings where the tea bag wearers rudely interrupted others as if only their opinions mattered. They need to crawl back under their rocks and take Rafael ‘call me ted’ Cruz with them.

  4. Lawrence O’Donnell is on Steve Kornacki’s faux political game show. You can tell it’s a little early for him, he’s in casual clothes, and gulping coffee trying to wake up. 😀

  5. It was a long time ago and my memory is a little sketchy, but I still chuckle at the punch line in Flip Wilson’s explanation of Columbus Day. It went something like, “Then Queen Isabella said to Columbus, ‘Christopher, you GOT to discover America, else there won’t never be no Ray Charles!'”

    Flip probably had it about right (he usually did, as everyone who watched his show knew for sure!). 😆

  6. Interesting and compelling essay by Blackfeet Elder on why the Washington ‘Redskins’ is a crappy and insulting name and ought to be changed posthaste. I couldn’t agree more, and do indeed remember when the Stanford ‘Indians’ became the Stanford Cardinal for much the same reason. That had to be at least forty years ago, maybe more. But still there are the Redskins. They ought to be embarrassed, but I’m sure they’re not.

  7. Life isn’t difficult enough for folks:

    Computer Upgrade Blamed For Nationwide EBT System Shutdown On Saturday

    A possible glitch in a computer system upgrade was causing major problems nationwide with the Electronic Benefits Transfer System on Saturday, as a countless number of shoppers found themselves stranded at the register.

    Reports from around the country began pouring in around 9 a.m. on Saturday that customers’ EBT cards were not working in stores.

  8. It’s our Thanksgiving this weekend. Busy busy. Breakfast with some of the wife’s relatives this morning. Her uncle married a Metis (European and Native Indian descent). He has been gone for some time and was a short large tough Englishmen. She is short, quite short, large and tough as nails. She now has no legs (shorter yet) and hoping to soon get a second prosthetic leg so she can travel again. Her bucket list includes driving a Harley and doing some white water rafting!

    Off to my brothers for turkey, then my in-laws are coming for turkey here tomorrow. We’ll need to take Scout for extra walks on Monday to shed some of the turkey!

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