The Watering Hole, Monday, January 27, 2014: The Lies of Mike Huckabee

As you’ve no doubt heard by now, last Thursday former Governor Mike Huckabee made some pretty ignorant comments regarding Democrats, women, contraception, and reality. Among the many lies he told was this:

And if the Democrats want to insult the women of America by making them believe that they are helpless without Uncle Sugar coming in and providing for them a prescription each month for birth control, because they cannot control their libido or their reproductive system without the help of the government, then so be it.”

Okay, where to begin? There are so many things wrong with just this one sentence. First of all, and this is an important point to make because it will come up again later, the government is not providing birth control to anybody through the Affordable Care Act (ACA). What the ACA does is require health insurance providers to provide coverage for birth control at no additional charge to the patient. The second lie is the idea that the Democrats are making people believe they are dependent on the government. This is a common right-wing lie, and it seems to be rooted in their pathological way of looking at things. Whenever the government allows people to do something, the Conservatives are out there acting as though the government was mandating that people do that something. How many times have you heard a Conservative say that now that gay marriage was legal, we’re all going to have to go out and gay marry someone? Or when people can get unemployment insurance, an earned benefit for which they paid, the Conservatives are trying to portray it as Liberals trying to make people dependent on government, which is such a ridiculous distortion of what is happening. The third lie in Huckabee’s comment was, of course, the purpose of using birth control. Like his fellow right-wing blowhard, Rush Limbaugh, Mike Huckabee doesn’t seem to understand how and why birth control is used. He seems to be making the point that women need more birth control the more sex they have. (Conservatives also have a problem with women having sex, but as my grandfather used to say, “That’s a topic for another post.” My grandfather was ahead of his time.) Many women use birth control for reasons that have nothing to do with having sex, but with relieving some of the symptoms of menstruation, or other medical reasons.

He also lied when he said:

“Women I know are outraged that Democrats think that women are nothing more than helpless and hopeless creatures whose only goal in life is to have the government provide for them birth control medication,” he said. “Women I know are smart, educated, intelligent, capable of doing anything that anybody else can do.”

Again, there’s the lie about the government providing the birth control, and the implication that women are dependent on the government for getting this medication. Not for nothing, but does it ever occur to Conservatives that if the government didn’t require businesses to do something, they wouldn’t do it at all? That’s the only way women are “dependent on the government.” If the government didn’t require corporations to act in the common good, they would find a reason to claim it wasn’t profitable to do so. They’d also try to say that “the Market” should dictate whether insurance companies that provided birth control coverage at no additional charge are more profitable and, therefore, more attractive to stock investors. This is a ridiculous reason to not let the government require businesses to do anything.

On his radio show Sunday, Huckabee lied again:

“For Democrats to reduce women to beggars for cheap government-funded birth control is demeaning to the women that I know who are far more complicated than their libido and the management of their reproductive system.”

Again, it’s not the government giving away the birth control medication, they aren’t making women “beg” for anything, and it has nothing to do with their sex lives, it’s about their reproductive health. Why does Huckabee have to lie constantly, and then turn around and whine that he was misquoted?

As if lying about what’s actually happening isn’t bad enough, now Huckabee wants to claim everyone is misquoting him, when the truth is that while there were errors in the initial reporting, those errors were fixed, and the media reports subsequent to them correctly attributed the comments. His entire defense of his comments is that he didn’t say what two initial news reports say he said, but rather he was saying that Democrats were saying that about women. They weren’t, of course, but that point seems to be lost on Huckabee. Never let the facts get in the way of a good talking point.

Republicans aren’t exactly happy with Huckabee’s comments, but they think their problem is that they aren’t articulating their policies correctly, not that their policies are bad, or that the things they actually say are dumb as all hell. They don’t want to admit that all over the country, Republicans are working hard to restrict a woman’s right to have an abortion, and to do it without unnecessary humiliation, such as unnecessary transvaginal ultrasound probes. They seem to think the problem is that they aren’t selling these ideas well enough. And that, in part, is because Republicans lie so damn much that nobody can believe a word they say.

This is our daily open thread. Feel free to discuss Mike Huckabee, other Republican liars, or anything else you wish to discuss.

54 thoughts on “The Watering Hole, Monday, January 27, 2014: The Lies of Mike Huckabee

  1. Leaving aside the idiotic notion that health care related to one particular system found in the bodies of half the population is somehow different from health care related to all other biological systems, why do these folks hate government so much? Our system is far from perfect, but who exactly is this government? It’s us, we the people. Sometimes we do need to depend on each other, that’s why we formed a more perfect union in the first place.

  2. they’re after Roe V Wade at any cost. women are an easy target for their neoconservative ideals.

    oh for those good ol’ days of Ozzie and Harriet Nelson, June and Ward Cleaver and Jim and Margaret Anderson…..real americans with real family values, stay at home mothers tending to their children, doing their daily chores and leaving any decisions to their wiser male spouses.

    • “Jim, go talk to Bud.” “Wait until your father gets home.” “Ozzie you better go talk to Ricky about…”

      The Repugnants are living in that make-believe world and want all of us to join them…
      No thanks!

  3. why do these folks hate government so much?

    Good question, but not quite broad enough. These are the people who hate government, democrats, women, public lands, the poor no matter where they happen to be, science of any kind, education, members of any race other than Caucasian, each and all pollution control efforts, wildlife (it’s only thar fer the killin’), assistance of any kind for any critter of any kind whether human or other . . . the list is endless, covers virtually everything on the planet with the exception themselves and those who “think” like they do, along with their only lifelong goals: money/monetary wealth, and the power to dominate everyone and everything of different mind.

    Today’s American right wing is, without doubt and given the state of potentially destructive technology available to them, the most severely dangerous contingent of life this planet has ever known. The American right wing’s total philosophy can be perfectly summarized in just three words: it is a culture of HATE.

  4. Where the fuck did these people learn how to use and apply logic?

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/27/joe-scarborough-lewinski-scandal-means-hillary-cant-fight-gops-transvaginal-probes/

    Over the weekend, Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) had said that former President Bill Clinton was partially responsible for the so-called “war on women” because of his affair with Monica Lewinsky. The Kentucky Republican with presidential ambitions asserted that it would be difficult for voters not to blame Hillary Clinton for Bill Clinton’s behavior.

    “That said,” Scarborough continued. “If Hillary Clinton attacks the Republican Party’s handling of women and treatment of women and disrespect for women and suggests they’re misogynists etc., etc., etc., it does seem to be a fair question to ask right now a few years out, does the media have a responsibility to say, ‘Well, let’s see what happened when you were in the White House and how women were treated when you were in the governor’s mansion and the White House?’ Is that fair?”

    “Is that fair?” Why the fuck do you think it would be? Are you suggesting that a wife should always be blamed and held completely responsible for her husband’s infidelity? And besides, even if we wanted to concede that Bill Clinton’s attitude toward women was misogynistic, why should Hillary be blamed for that, and how does that invalidate her criticisms of the GOP’s misogyny? What am I missing here?

    • You gotta remember one thing: Eve was herself and all alone responsible for ALL SIN on the entire earth! And Eve was a woman, THEREFORE . . . conclusion OBVIOUS!!

      I’d be surprised if that very thesis isn’t actually embedded in each and every GOP platform; it sure as hell defines the gas behind their enduring anti-woman theses.

      Frankly, I’d like to see a linguistic experiment of sorts, one where the words male and female, also man and woman, are completely reversed in their meanings, and then have Scaredborough, pHuckabee et al. reread all of their bullshit in the new context.

      • I am somewhat convinced that all forms of control of women’s sexuality, including those imposed by religious constructs, are based in the fact that until recently men could not be 100% certain whose children they were raising.

    • That makes no fucking sense whatsoever. Bill did wrong, Hilary seems to have chosen to forgive him and stay married. Her choice. That’s the part these folk don’t get, it’s her personal choice. I can even respect the choice of the “submit to your husband” types if she is happy with her choice. Advocate for the free choice of all women in whatever life situation she finds herself and then, maybe, I’ll give a shit what you say Joe.

  5. Ex-GOP Sen. John Warner Endorses Dem

    Former Republican Sen. John W. Warner on Monday endorsed his Democratic successor over a past national GOP chairman in the race for the U.S. Senate seat he held for 30 years.

    Warner told The Associated Press in a telephone interview that he is supporting Sen. Mark Warner, who is being challenged by Ed Gillespie in November’s election. The Warners are not related.

    Virginia went blue last November statewide. Here’s a chance for it to stay that way. Gillespie said a lot of stupid shit while he was chairman, not as much as Michael Steele, but a lot. There should be plenty of opposition material to make this stick.

  6. The headline and blurb would have you believe that we’ve become a police state.

    FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR OBAMA FEAR

    This suggests that Obama had him arrested BECAUSE he made a film about Obama. Of course the right-wing blogosphere is already on fire with this. Ironic that they bemoan how Obama runs amok of those who sound off against him, while sounding off against him, with startling regularity.

    Fox News – Breaking News Updates | Latest News Headlines | Photos & News Videos

    PART OF A PATTERN? Feds accusedof singling out conservatives FOLLOWING THE ARREST OF FILMMAKER DINESH D’SOUZA, shown above, who made an anti-President Obama film, federal agencies and prosecutors once again are facing accusations of going tougher on conservatives than their liberal counterparts.


  7. Christian radio host Bryan Fischer: ‘The idea’ of contraception is for men to ‘abuse’ women

    On his Friday radio show, Fischer came to Huckabee’s defense, saying that contraception “removed procreation from the sex act, and it was a way to say you can have sex with no consequences.”

    “But that was kind of the idea,” he continued. “Finally, you can have risk free sex.”

    According to Fischer, that really meant that “guys can have risk free sex, they have a girl on the pill so she’s not going to run the risk of getting pregnant.”

    “If she does get pregnant, he can take her for an abortion. Then he has no reason to commit himself to her,” Fischer declared. “So, the guy is the one that gets most of the benefits out of this.”

    Dear Bryan,

    You should know that you, as a horndog male, can also enjoy your own “libido” — if with a woman, wear a condom; if alone, your hand can do the job and it will never become pregnant, so no worries.

    It’s so simple . . . ‘simple’ referring both to you AND the male-friendly options out there that will work for all the males (both of them) who actually have a single conscious thought in advance of satisfying their libido. For all those who want only to screw, there’s always the black capsule; for those males who are responsible, who care about the lady in their life, the contraceptive pill remains an option — but it’s one that is HER choice, not his. And NEVER YOURS, ASSHOLE!

    • Damn! You mean I could have had sex with my future wife without her becoming my future wife?
      I got married because I wanted to be in a committed relationship. Some guys do, some guys don’t. The ones that don’t aren’t going to magically become committed after the girl is pregnant.

      • I’ve been combing through 131 years of ‘family’ history:
        A Grand Uncle was married for about 26 days before his wife filed for divorce.
        Ferdinand and Henrietta were married on 04 December 1928 and separated on 01 January 1929.
        He refused to even admit he had a wife (go figure). Seems Ferd was a vile humanbeing when he drank — and he drank all the time.
        (he was in WWI and WWII so that may have had something to with The Drink.
        Fred died at the ripe old age of 53!

        [They were married 04 Dec. and a baby daughter (which he never acknowledged) was born 03 September]

    • Dear Bryan,
      Real Christian moms raise their Christian sons to value the emotional connection that is expressed in sex between committed partners, rather than as an opportunity to get their rocks off. Our sons could never conceive of the act as having no consequences simply because there is no risk of pregnancy. We want our children to have children when they are mutually ready to do so, even as we realize that they may be ready for intimacy before being ready for the financial and time commitments children bring to a marriage, and that they may arrive at a place where intimacy continues to strengthen a marriage even after the family is complete. I would neither let you teach my sons, or daughters, about anything. You have a perverted idea of human sexuality.

    • The physical expression of love is just about the best thing about being human. Despite the fact that they tend to be colossal assholes; I pity those who consider it to be a bad thing.

  8. I was just pondering what type of inane antics we can expect during the President’s State of The Union message tomorrow night. will little Teddy Cruz have a “Joe Wilson” moment to capture the media spotlight once again? i just feel it coming from some Tetard in the gallery.

  9. Heh. Yesterday I responded to that Republican ‘who do you want to run for Pres. on the GOP ticket’ website thingee (or however they put it). My write-in response after ‘none of the above’ was Adolf Hitler. Today I got a letter from Reince Priebus — not sure he read the name of my write-in (not really sure he CAN read much of anything! Oh, and btw, I didn’t use my real name; called myself John Doe, just to keep things above board, Republican style). Anyway, here’s Reince’s response:

    John,

    Thank you for taking the 2016 Presidential Straw Poll and sharing your opinions with our Republican team.

    We’ve begun planning for the 2016 presidential election, and your input is critical to our efforts.

    But we can’t secure Republican victories without your help.

    Like you, I believe Americans deserve better than President Obama’s big-spending, big-government, liberal agenda. Now more than ever, principled Republican leadership is needed in America.

    We are transforming the GOP into the Growth and Opportunity Party at every level so we can defeat Democrats and their liberal agenda in 2016.

    Contribute to the RNC today to help build our ground game for 2016.

    Thank you for your support,

    Reince

  10. Thanks for all the well-wishes. It was just Tigger’s time to go and, despite having a few issues over the last year, she lived well up till the end. It also seems like just about everyone I know has an “extra” cat they want me to take but I think I’ll check out the rescue market first.

    • Our first, and still the best, cat, Becca, was an adult rescue from a nearby shelter. She had been hit by a car, found and taken to a veterinarian, who put a metal rod in her leg while it eventually fully healed. To do this he had to, of course, shave a part of her leg. Because of this shaved leg, a family decided not to take her. (Apparently they didn’t believe it would grow back. And it did.) This upset the people at the animal shelter because Becca wasn’t a kitten, she was about a year or so old, and they were concerned that no one would take an adult cat.

      Then Jane walked in. She looked around at the cats available. She wanted to rescue an adult cat, and she saw this beautiful Abyssinian mix. She just had to stick her fingers in the cage, and she was rewarded with a lick. She immediately said, “I’ll take her,” and we never once regretted the decision.

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