The Watering Hole, Wednesday, April 9, 2014: What day is it?

Come on, you can say it....

Come on, you can say it….

This just in: Woman sues fetus for civil rights violation.

A pregnant woman filed a lawsuit today in federal court in Lansing, Michigan, alleging a violation of her civil rights commited by her unborn fetus. The lawsuit claims that the fetus, as a person, is violating her rights under the 13th Amendment, the one that abolishes slavery.

The suit claims that the unborn person residing in her womb is forcing her to tend to its every need, day in and day out, 24/7, causing her great physical and emotional distress.

The suit seeks monetary damages equivalent to the value of a full-time, ’round-the-clock caregiver, as well as compensation for pain and suffering, and emotional distress.

In addition, the suit alleges that the fetus has committed numerous batteries against the woman, repeatedly kicking her womb, causing pain to other internal organs.

In addition to monetary damages, the woman is seeking an immediate restraining order to prohibit the fetus from continuing to feed itself through the umbilical cord, robbing the woman of her nutritional needs, as well as to enjoin the person from further batteries on her person.

A three-judge panel is expected to rule on the injunction by the end of the week.



96 thoughts on “The Watering Hole, Wednesday, April 9, 2014: What day is it?

  1. Why not? The “personhood” crowd must concede the points based on their own ‘logic’….. ummm… yeah, I know, they have their own ‘logic’…. anyway:

    In a “personhood Amurikkka” this would be the only recourse (since all abortion for all reasons would be illegal). The plaintiff should also request that the courts supply an eviction notice, and that the “zygote/fetus person” should be forcibly relocated to a different uterus (I’m CERTAIN that all the “personhood” women would volunteer the temporary use of their uteruses…. uterus’… uteri…. ummm, womanly parts, for such a relocation project for the benefit of the zygote/fetus persons).

    • If the courts rule that the woman be held prisoner to her womb for the gestational duration despite her wishes to the contrary, I would hope the same courts would also demand the father be imprisoned behind bars for precisely the same amount of time.

      Fair’s fair.

      • WHAT?!?! No, no, no… see, unwanted pregnancy is punishment for slutty women: men aren’t supposed to be punished for being sluts… oh, I mean “for being manly”. And that would change the whole controlling women and keeping them in their place. How dare you suggest something that resembles “fairness”. (major snark… …threatened with a railway share… 🙂 ).

        • Y’know (speaking as one commie-‘marksist-facist’-nazi-librul to another), in some spurious Amurkkkan quarters, neither my comments nor yours would be seen as ‘snark.’ 😯

          • Yessir, yessir.

            As much as I’d like to say it is a conservative issue, it is really a cultural issue. I believe it breaks down kind of like:

            18 year old girl who has had 6 sexual partners = filthy slut

            18 year old boy who has had 6 sexual partners = manly man


            18 year old femal virgin = pure, honorable, good wife material

            18 year old male virgin = “pussy”, “gay”, weakling, ‘not-manly-man’, etc.

            Anyone who doesn’t see the double standard is delusional.

  2. Federal judge sides with in Bobby Jindal billboard lawsuit won’t be forced to take down a Baton Rouge-area billboard critical of Bobby Jindal’s decision to forgo Medicaid expansion under Obamacare, a federal judge ruled Monday (April 7).


    “The State has failed to demonstrate a compelling reason to curtail’s political speech in favor of protecting of the State’s service mark,” Dick said in her ruling. She added “irreparable injury” would not be caused to Louisiana’s tourism campaign if the ad remained in place. Civic Action Executive Director Anna Galland, heralded the ruling: “This decision is a victory for common sense, freedom of speech, and the 242,000 Louisianians being denied health care because of Governor Jindal and Louisiana Republicans’ outrageous refusal to let them access Medicaid.”

    She added, “While we are pleased with today’s outcome, it’s a shame that the state filed this baseless lawsuit in the first place — which nearly every lawyer with basic knowledge of the First Amendment said they’d lose.”

  3. Best thing I read on my phone last night.

    Obamacare Might Be Covering Way More People Than Previously Thought

    RAND Corp, a non-profit think tank, released the survey. Its eye-opening finding: 7.2 million previously uninsured people have gained health coverage through their employer since mid-September. That’s on top of those people who have purchased private coverage on Obamacare’s insurance marketplaces or enrolled in Medicaid or young adults who signed up through their parents’ plan.

    • you know that’s what I was trying to think about too – that for 6 years of the Obama presidency, there seems so little that comes to mind that has actually been accomplished and the ACA is the ‘signature achievement’ of the presidency. And yet only 7 (or it is 10) million people signed up – 3% of the population are impacted…..

      …. ok so then there’s the young adults, the pre-conditions, the medicare expansion etc…. it still doesn’t seem like the huge achievement or the end of the world, depending on your persuasion.

      • Even if all the states had cooperated, we would still have a large number of uninsured. We started with 48 million uninsured, and I count maybe 17 million that have been added, so if we are still over 30 million uninsured, we need to lower the age for Medicare, and expand Medicaid to more people.

  4. Has anyone successfully been prosecuted for two counts of murder where a pregnant woman was killed? I know the RW likes to claim that the first WTC bombing killed seven people, not six, because one of the victims was pregnant. And I’m sure that, somewhere, a prosecutor tried to treat an unborn fetus the same as a born human and charged the murderer of a pregnant woman with two counts.

    If there is a separate charge for killing a fetus, that’s different. I’m talking about two counts of murder, straight up, where one of the alleged victims hasn’t even been born yet. Has that ever happened? Because I’d be nervous if it did. The rationale behind that kind of thinking could lead anywhere.

      • Thanks, BnF. For the sake of our nation, I hope it never comes to pass that a fetus can be given the same rights as and separate from its mother. I mean, don;t you have to know you’re breaking the law in order for it to be just that they prosecute you? I’m not talking about ignorance of the law (which these days is a perfectly valid argument, in my opinion), but rather should you be prosecuted for harming a fetus if you (and the mother) didn’t know it existed? yes, you should be prosecuted for harming the mother, but if you had no idea she was pregnant, should they be allowed to charge you as if you deliberately and knowingly violated the law against a fetus no one knew existed?

        • or you can think of it this way: If you blow up a building, but didn’t know people were inside, would you still be guilty of killing those people? Of course you would. So, if you kill a woman, but didn’t know there was another person inside, you could be just as guilty.

          • I see your point. But a person could have a reasonable expectation that there might be people inside a building that’s not abandoned. There’s no reasonable expectation that every woman you encounter might be pregnant.

            If you knew she was pregnant, or had a reason to believe she was, that would be one thing. But if the woman herself didn’t know she was pregnant, how could killing the embryo be a separate crime?

    • I wonder if this fetal personhood caper is a huge impediment to us redefining corporate personhood. You know if we want to exclude the Hobby Lobby’s and Kochtopuses of the world from being ‘natural born people’ that someone would try and get the zygotes in under the ‘big tent’.

  5. Tribune wire reports
    9:03 a.m. CDT, April 9, 2014

    Twenty students were injured after a stabbing attack, apparently by a male student, at a Pennsylvania high school on Wednesday, and four of the victims were flown to area hospitals, officials said.

    The suspected attacker, a student at the school, was in custody, local media reported, citing police.

    The incident occurred at Franklin Regional High School in Murrysville, about 20 miles east of Pittsburgh.

    It wasn’t clear if all the victims were students, or if any were injured in the scramble to get away from the knife-wielding attacker.

    “The students’ conditions seem to be non-life threatening. It’s important that parents realize the scene is contained, the students that are here are safe,” Dan Stevens, deputy emergency management coordinator for the Westmoreland County told reporters.,0,6765295.story

    The school district posted an emergency message on its website on Wednesday.

    “A critical incident has occurred at the high school,” the message said. “All elementary schools are canceled, the middle school and high school students are secure.”

      • That’s not how Wayne the Idiot put it (and aren’t all guys named Wayne idiots? Yes.) He said, “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.” And, of course, we all know that’s pure Man-With-Small-Penis-Splainin’.

        • Wait: you mean that when “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun” — defines a “good guy” as a “THING”??

          Wow! How humiliating that must be! Good guys” are “things”!! (WHEN / IF they have a gun, of course). Why is that conceptt so easy to (a) laugh at, and (b) believe? 😆

    • “Often these types of promos are inserted at the master control level, so it’s entirely possible the spot was scheduled to air at a set time, without knowing what story would be airing.”

      This is CNN – what else would they be airing?

    • No, no, no, it would bankrupt Walmart to pay a living wage…
      they’d triple the price of their crap just to prove the point.

      • as the video shows, considering the volume of goods sold, a box of Kraft Mac & Cheese priced at 68 cents, would cost a whopping 69 cents if they paid a wage above the poverty level.

        • True – knowing how slimy Walmart is – they’d raise the prices just ‘show you how much it would cost them’…

  6. The media is marginally better with East Ukraine than the abrogation of sound news reporting as to the wishes of the Crimea inhabitants….. but it’s still crap. Here’s a Pravda Ukraine poll on Donetsk, supposedly the most ‘Russian’ of Ukrainian cities of the East:

  7. British movie theater flooded during first screening of ‘Noah’

    A British movie theater was forced to cancel its first screening of Hollywood blockbuster “Noah” — due to flooding.
    The Vue cinema in Exeter was temporarily closed Friday after a broken ice machine leaked water throughout the building. While not on the scale of the deluge endured in the biblical tale, it did wash out the 12:15 p.m. screening.

    H/T to Stephanie Miller.

  8. I like this lass …. she’s smart, quick witted and an atheist….. who makes great arguments. I loved a tweet she had the other day – some religious wankpot called her a ‘damnation bound whore’ … and then asked her to dinner LOL!

    • I feel… I feel a great stirring in the spirit… oh, wait, that was indigestion…. I am receiving a message from Gawd… he wants me to tell Mr. Robertson that his prayer has been answered, and Gawd WILL deliver him from President “crypto-muslim” Obama…. somewhere near the end of 2016, maybe early 2017….. I speak only the truth. (Gawd would like to add a footnote that Mr. Robertson may be delivered sooner if Gawd decides to take him “home” before the established date — BUT that Gawd will STILL deliver his bones and his followers at the appointed time (approximately speaking)).

  9. QOTD:

    “I want to dip that ass in gold, I want to dip that ass in gold / I made it over NBA, NFL players / So every time I score it’s like the Super Bowl. Baby, we should hit the south of France / So you could run around without them pants…” — Kanye West raps about Kim Kardashians ass. Speaking of big asses, Kanye…

  10. “a hall of mirrors”

    “To me, progress hinges on our ability to discriminate knowledge from belief, fact from fantasy, on the basis of evidence. It’s not the known unknown from the known known, or the unknown unknown from the known unknown, that is crucial to progress. It’s what evidence do you have for X, Y or Z? What is the justification for your beliefs? When confronted with such a question, Rumsfeld was never, ever able to come up with an answer.

    The history of the Iraq war is replete with false assumptions, misinterpreted evidence, errors in judgment. Mistakes can be made. We all make them. But Rumsfeld created a climate where mistakes could be made with little or no way to correct them. Basic questions about evidence for W.M.D. were replaced with equivocations and obfuscations. A hall of mirrors. An infinite regress to nowhere. What do I know I know? What do I know I know I know? What do I know I don’t know I don’t know? Ad infinitum. Absence of evidence could be evidence of absence or evidence of presence. Take your pick. An obscurantist’s dream,” – Errol Morris.

  11. SALMON, Idaho (Reuters) – The largest school district in Idaho has banned from its curriculum an award-winning book about the struggles of a Native American teenager after complaints by parents that the novel was rife with profanity, racial epithets and anti-Christian rhetoric.

    The school board in Meridian, Idaho, voted 2-1 this week to keep the book, “The Absolutely True Diary of a Part-Time Indian,” off a supplemental reading list for 10th graders, meaning it will not be part of the curriculum at the high school, said school board clerk Trish Duncan.

    The 2007 Sherman Alexie novel, which won the 2007 National Book Award for Young People’s Literature, is still available in the school’s library, she said.

    The school board’s decision to seek an alternative book to convey “the cultural messages” of Alexie’s work came after complaints from parents that the book contained sexually charged material inappropriate for their children, was peppered with pejorative terms for women, people of various races and those with learning disabilities and mocked Christian beliefs.

    • I’ve seen Sherman Alexie speak, and he’s a fucking genius. Religious zealots — $1 says it’s Mormons — don’t have the brain power to understand anything complicated. Not even their own book.

      Bonnie Stiles, mother of four students in Meridian schools, said she pushed for the removal from the high school curriculum after reading the book and counting 133 profane or offensive words in its 230 pages.

      “There’s obscene material throughout, degrading slang words like the one used to describe a certain part of a woman’s anatomy and an offensive depiction of (Jesus Christ),” she said.

      She. Counted. The. Naughty. Words. 😆

      On the other hand, this stupid woman just guaranteed every kid in that school will read Alexie’s book.

      • Sherman Alexie is one of the best, imho the best, short story writers in America today. Raised on the Spokane Indian reservation, his unique, and highly personal accounts are to be treasured by all who can read. I suggest to you all, if you haven’t already, to pick up any of his literary works and enjoy. He also has a wicked sense of humor. BTW Fuck Idaho.

  12. From the good to now file: It sound like inSeannity is against people, at least black people, working with law enforcement. And he’s downright livid that someone, at least a certain GOP someone, has noted that working with law enforcement is, in fact commendable. Far be it from me to subscribe to wild conspiracy theories but I can’t help but wonder if inSeannity might be worried about the FBI looking into his “freedom concerts” and where the money actually ends up.

    • Oh dear, I wish I had a man here, so he could tell me what to think of this idea. Help me, please? 🙄

      I wonder how he feels about 3 day waiting periods for guns and boner pills?

    • But Gatschenberger was pressing Newman to reconsider the bill seconds later.

      “I’m just saying this is a life-ending decision,” he said. “You should think about it.”

      Shorter Gatschenberger: I’m a patronizing asshole with impulse control problems!

    • One, very minor, difference: Putin is a godly man – Russian Orthodox (supposedly)…
      Otherwise, as you point out, different decade same m.o.!

  13. “A lot of questions they ask about gay athletes were essentially the same questions they used to ask about us, black athletes. How would you feel about playing with a gay player? And I have one question. Can he play?” – Bill Russell, former player and coach of the Boston Celtics

    • Faux stated there was no comparison between the civil rights of Blacks and the civil rights of Gays////

      Russell was poetry in motion when he played!

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