Watering Hole April 15, 2014 Open thread- Wingnuts have standoff with BLM – Did you pay your taxes?

“Federal authorizes have said Bundy owes more than $1 million in grazing fees he has not paid for 20 years. Yet Bundy, 67, has reportedly said he does not recognize federal authority on land he insists belongs to Nevada. His Mormon family has operated a ranch since the 1870s near the tiny town of Bunkerville and the Utah and Arizona lines.”

So? There are folks whose relatives came over on the Mayflower and they pay taxes and rent to the government all the time, obey environmental laws, and respect the constitution. States Rights my ass.. Personally , I’m sorry they didn’t bring in the sharpshooters to back up the BLM staff, but that would have fcuked up November Elections.

Read the rest here: I despise wingnuts.

 

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75 thoughts on “Watering Hole April 15, 2014 Open thread- Wingnuts have standoff with BLM – Did you pay your taxes?

  1. The “militia” men who crossed state lines with firearms are no longer “state militia” once they left their own state(s), and are now simply criminals who transported firearms across state lines with the intention of using them in criminal activity (such as interfering with federal agents performing their duties, threatening other people (esp federal employees), assisting the rancher in defying three court orders, inciting the rancher to contnue disobedence of the law…. etc.). I think that the local authorities should be served with proper paperwork to assemble local SWAT to arrest all of the offending parties. I say local because that affects the psycho-dimwit’s stance and affects the politics of it (state police are not feds).

    I can prove my family lineage goes back to the original founders of Concord. Do I get to ignore whatever laws I don’t like?

    • Cagey. I’m with you. The New England town I grew up in was founded in 1634. I am a descendant of a founder on my paternal “pedigree”.
      Maybe I should go back and demand the land and grow onions with the local tribe. Uh huh.
      3000 miles away and 370 years later my property abuts Federal land. Should I open my fence and let my animals graze there? Someone else does, and that Ranch DOES pay to graze their cattle on those thousands of acres.

  2. My dog got me up three times last night which provided me with an unexpected viewing of the lunar eclipse.

  3. I like most animals better than I like most people but, since there doesn’t seem to be a judge willing to issue an arrest warrant, I fear there is only one solution that doesn’t hold much promise for ending in a fire fight. Simply send in a couple squadrons of attack helicopters, shoot the cattle on public land, and send Bundy the bill.

  4. Oh boy, Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey episode #11, “The Immortals,” this morning….

      • Now I basically am doing quality control for Fox. I find the mistakes both technical and subjective. I’ve caught a couple spelling errors in the show’s graphics.

        And it irritates me every time NdGT says ‘artic’ instead of arCtic.

  5. Angry White Men W/Guns Threaten Violence And Win. Good Luck To Black People Trying The Same Thing

    This is how you know it’s awesome to be white and conservative in America:

    A Nevada cattle rancher appears to have won his week-long battle with the federal government over a controversial cattle roundup that had led to the arrest of several protesters.

    “Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public,” BLM Director Neil Kornze said.

    It occurred to me that if this had been an Occupy protest and they’d had guns, there would have been a lot of dead “hippies” and the rest in jail for treason.

    The Fat Smug Bastard pointed out, correctly, that if they’d been black and armed, most of them would be dead and we’d be hearing about how the police had to stop a race riot. Fox would be telling us all about how the dead “thugs” had it coming. Possibly because they might have been high on pot and violent. You know how black people get.

    But this is America. In America, as long as you’re white and conservative, you can threaten to start an armed conflict with the government and you’re a hero to the freedom loving masses.

    ‘Murika.

    http://proudtobeafilthyliberalscum.com/2014/04/12/angry-white-men-wguns-threaten-violence-win-good-luck-black-people-trying-thing/

    • Lesson: armed “militias” get treated a whole lot better than unarmed college kids.

  6. As we watch all the usual moon-faced anti-government lunatics twitchdance around the bonfire to the usual round of Wingnut Freakout Top 40 Hits brought to you by all the usual Conservative sedition-slingers, it is useful to remember that, 19 years ago, another moon-faced anti-government lunatic murdered 168 American citizens in the name of the Tree of Liberty! and Tyranny! and Freedumb! and all the rest of the usual Evil Government sewage you can once again hear roaring from the Hate Media Machine 24/7/365.

    http://driftglass.blogspot.com/2014/04/moochers-of-purple-sage.html?spref=fb

  7. Episode #11:

    NdGT: “Giant elliptical galaxies are something like Florida (smirk) — where the oldest stars in the universe may be found.”

    Snork.

  8. Big Oil Gigolo, Steve Pierce (R NM) is doing all he can to eradicate an entire species of grouse….

    Congressman Steve Pearce hosting prairie chicken meetings

    Pearce says officials with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, the Department of Agriculture and the Bureau of Land Management have been invited to the meetings.

    Pearce says residents have the right to ask government officials why they made the decision to list the chicken. He says the choice affects the rights of ranchers, farmers and energy companies. State officials have voiced their concerns with the listing, saying it stands to decimate economic development in southeastern New Mexico.

    http://www.currentargus.com/carlsbad-news/ci_25569351/congressman-steve-pearce-hosting-prairie-chicken-meetings

    • Something I’ve long puzzled over in a single question: Wherefrom comes the presumption that “ranchers, farmers and energy companies” (et al. et al) have the right to extinct species or otherwise destroy the environment be it on a local or global basis?

      It’s not in the Constitution, afaik. If it’s in the bible, who freakin’ cares?

  9. Kansas suspect: “I hate all Jews.”

    How about the two Christians you killed that you mistook for Jews? Maybe we should catalog them….oh wait…

    • Ah, Chesterfield County, very Republican, very racist. I grew up there. I can remember seeing KKK bonfires as my parents drove quickly past. It sounds like not much has changed in 50 years.

  10. My family has been in Virginia since the 1600’s. I’m claiming Westmoreland County. Seriously, this welfare rancher pisses me off. He and I likely get about the same amount/lb for our cattle. I had to buy my land, and while my land can support a whole lot more animals/acre than the land he is likely ruining by trying to graze what looks like some pretty poor pasture, it makes it harder for eastern farmers to compete. The fool is ruining the free market, and refusing to pay the pittance asked for use of public land. The so-called militia defending him are no better than gang members summoned to protect a fellow criminal from the consequences of his illegal activity.

    • (no word on when the ‘sternly worded letter’ will be sent. My hope is Harry will actually take action on this situation)

      “Well, it’s not over,” Reid told Las Vegas TV station KRNV. “We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over.”

      • Might be cool to set up an endangered species protected wolf population in Nevada, headquartered in Bunkerville. I’m guessing that cattle would be about the only food available for them, and a few hungry packs can ‘stabilize’ the environment fairly quickly. Since wolves typically don’t eat people, the Bundy’s should be safe. Plus, if they became vegetarians — even out of necessity — that would be good for them. Good for the land, too, to get rid of those damn cattle.

        It’s so simple, really.😉

      • Hey, I’m going to claim I’m a rancher. That way I can not pay taxes, steal my neighbor’s car and loot any store I want.
        Laws? Meh! fuggetit. I’m an ekseptical Amurkin.

      • That’s nothing, my son’s other family has been in Guatemala since forever.🙂

  11. Once a grifter, always a grifter:
    ” If you would like to Donate click the button below! All of us here at the Bundy Ranch would like to thank you for everything you have done and the support you have shown! We will put all funds to good use!”

    • Click the button below..the ‘Heartbleed SSL’ virus folks pay us a dime for every idiot who does that!

  12. @TeaPartyCat: 1040 Tip: Make sure to write in ALL CAPS on your return so the IRS knows you’re a real patriot, and not one of those lying moochers.

  13. Laura Ingraham joins ABC News

    Conservative radio host Laura Ingraham has joined ABC News as a contributor, “This Week” host George Stephanopoulos announced on Sunday.

    Ingraham will continue to serve as Fox News contributor and guest host for Fox’s “The O’Reilly Factor.” She will also continue to host her daily radio program, which is broadcast by the Courtside Entertainment Group.

    I wonder what Stephanopoulos wants with her on This Week? He traded George Will to Fox in exchange for Bill Kristol and a liar to be named later. Maybe she’s the liar to be named later?

    • Perhaps he will sacrifice her on live TV. That’s probably the only usage or her talent and witless self that would get ratings.

    • But. But. But “librul media”!!!

      Hmmmm. I wonder how long the always nasty Laura Ingraham will get into her first official appearance before she whines about “the librul media”? Will it be within seconds or will she restrain herself for more than a minute?

  14. WorldNetDaily Says Lunar Eclipse Was A Divine Warning To Obama

    WorldNetDaily manages to fit criticism of President Obama into nearly everything it publishes, including its story on Monday’s lunar eclipse.

    Citing the president’s comments from January — “I’ve got a pen and I’ve got a phone” — about using executive orders and executive actions in the face of congressional obstruction, right-wing pastor Mark Biltz told WND today that the “blood moon” is a divine warning to Obama that God has “more than a pen and a phone in his hand.”

    What is it about the moon? It got us the term ‘lunatic’, but these people live it every day, not just when the moon is full.

  15. If Bundy gets away with stealing the use of public land for private profit, what prevents the Koch brothers from drilling for oil on public land, without a lease, without compensating the government? – paraphrased from Thom Hartmann, as he said it a few minutes ago.

  16. UT decides Longhorns have been pranked, will rip out maroon bluebonnets

    Maroon bluebonnets, at best an oxymoron and at worst a deep insult to the Austin community’s burnt-orange sensibilities, are slated to be removed from the University of Texas main campus.

    (snip)

    No one has confessed to secretly seeding two beds in the shadow of the UT tower with Aggie maroon bluebonnets, but Hogue said he suspects it was the work of Texas A&M supporters.

    This is how you prank your rival, you don’t kill historic trees. Pictures of these flowers will live forever on the internets, and it’s entirely reversible.

  17. Now I must encase about half an acre of perennials in ice and hope to survive this late freeze.

  18. Former watchdogs accuse Christie of interfering with state ethics agency

    At first it was only about a bunch of stray cats.

    A complaint filed with the State Ethics Commission alleged that a member of Gov. Chris Christie’s staff used her state email account to influence her county health department to handle some feral felines on her property in Bordentown. A minor matter, it seemed.

    By the time it was over, the executive director of the ethics commission was out of a job at the request of the governor’s office, replaced by one of Christie’s own lawyers, who was later given a judgeship by the governor.

    Now, three former commission officials, breaking four years of silence, are accusing the governor’s office of unprecedented interference with an agency set up to be free of political influence. Christie, they say, pushed the agency commissioners to replace the executive director — at a time when she was investigating a member of his own staff — thus crossing a line no other governor had before.

    If you are a threat to the Christie people, even in a small way, they bring the world down on you, then reward the replacement who kills the investigation.

  19. Ed Schultz is on top of the Bundy Ranch story tonight. He’s got Papantonio giving the legal position of the Federal Government versus the anti-American Fox stance.

    • I overheard a couple ladies at the pharmacy and they have been convinced that the deadbeat rancher is “standing up for all our rights” and “telling the government they can’t just take anything they want”. Sigh… I know when mere reason is not an effective tool. I’m still standing by my solution for the impasse.

      1. Send in a couple squadrons of attack helicopters to shoot the cows from the air.

      2. Send a bill to the deadbeat rancher for the entire operation; including the proper disposal of the dead meat.

      3. Find a judge who has the balls to issue an arrest warrant.

      4. Send in enough federal agents and National Guard members to take the creep into custody.

      5. Charge him with every crime that applies and accept no deals.

  20. QOTD:

    “This note is to alert you folks that I know that I do not know whether my tax returns are accurate,” – Donald Rumsfeld in a letter he sends annually to the IRS.

    I know I don’t know what he knows he doesn’t know about it.

      • Danica with Biden riding shotgun was what got my attention!😀

        X-ray eyed kitty was a bonus. Don’t know why the Grave Digger Monster Truck is in there, must have been the chili eaten too close to bedtime!

  21. Okay, what was this crackpot in Nevada doing with his cattle before 1993?

    Was he paying the fees before 1993 to run them on federal land?

    Did the land EVER belong to him?

    Does this old boy accept his social security checks each month?

    Is he on Medicare?

    Whose video did he watch 1993, in order to become such a strong anti-government twunt?

    • I think it has more to do with the far right wing nuttery with their fake patriotism and their conspiracy/anti-government blogs and guns who are pushing this situation to the brink of another Waco or Ruby Ridge which is exactly what the Koch brothers, Alex Jones, the NRA and other right wing organizations want to raise anti-government paranoia to a fever pitch. Just read the comments at Infowars.

      • That certainly seems to be the modus operandi.
        The nutty thing: it’s Federal Land the ‘anti-government’ people are attempting to ‘protect’.

      • I think you are on to something. The Federal government can wait. They have all the time in the world. As a matter, the Feds can wait until Wednesday, November 5 after the general election. Bundy is 20 years over due with his rent month. A few more months isn’t going to make that much of a difference. And besides, those anti-American ranchers are going to have to go home to tend to their ranches, most likely in the fall or late summer when it is time for roundup and their steers need to be brought into the pen for fattening.

  22. We have had a terrible event happen here yesterday. A young man stabbed 5 people to death at a university end of year party. No one can figure out why as the party was very respectful of the neighbourhood and not loud and it apparently not a big alcohol/drug party. Feel very sorry for the families of the victims and the family of the young man that committed such a terrible act.

    • Horrendous! The suspect is the son of veteran officer and those parents have extended their condolences to the victims family.
      Perhaps the suspect will open up and relay what would cause him to perpetrate such a horrific crime.

    • That is beautiful, zxbe. Congrats. It was too overcast here to see anything. I’m glad it wasn’t wasted on everybody. In fact, it was raining and snowing a few minutes ago.

      Weather. Can’t live with it. Can’t shoot it.

    • Excellent, as always! Now from my beautiful cloudless skies, I saw WHITE. And as usual, tons of stars.
      Does the atmosphere where one is make a difference in the (red) color?
      Oh and yes, the coyotes were HOWLING.

      • The red supposedly comes from the earth’s atomsphere filtering out all the blues, so that only red light filters onto the moon (again via the atmosphere). Certainly I should think local conditions could affect what you’re seeing as well.

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