The Watering Hole, Saturday, June 14, 2014: Losing Their Religion

Conservative Christians have been crying about being persecuted for a long time. It’s nothing new. You don’t hear Liberal Christians crying about being persecuted because of their faith, but that’s because they generally don’t say the kinds of things Conservative Christians say and profess it to be part of their religious beliefs! Of course there are Liberals who say stupid, hateful, anti-gay things, but they don’t usually claim them to be part of their religious beliefs. Conservatives do. And when they are called out for the stupid, hateful, anti-gay things they say, Conservatives usually claim, “I’m being persecuted because of my religious beliefs!” And that’s false, which, ironically, is a very big no-no for some of those Conservative Christians.

Christians are not being persecuted in this country (USA), no matter how much they cry and stamp their feet. Nobody is denying them the right to practice their religion. The fact that they don’t really practice their religion correctly doesn’t seem to bother them. Now I’m an atheist, but even I hear some tidbits from religious teachings. One of them was “Hate the sin, not the sinner.” Yet the vitriol we often hear from the Religious Right is directed at the gay people themselves, not what they do. And it’s clearly driven by fear. They are afraid. But of what do they have to be afraid? Is their Faith not strong enough to withstand the sight of people who do not follow their own religious beliefs? More than that, why do they talk about it all…the…time? I mean, for something that supposedly disgusts them so much that they have to speak up and say something, they seem to be dwelling on the subject far more than one would suspect. If gay sex bothers you so much, then stop thinking about gay sex. Why can’t you? Did it never occur to you that maybe God is talking to you through the gay people you meet? Do you think it might mean something to you that the gay people you personally know, maybe you work with them or they live near you, they’re very nice people, they seem to be okay, but it’s the ones you never met who are the Evil That Must Be Purged? Is there any reason to believe that the majority of the gay people you don’t know aren’t just like the really nice gay people you do know? And how do your religious beliefs about gay people (which may, or may not, be informed by the facts) apply to the really nice gay people you personally know, and possibly like?

Then there’s “Love thy neighbor as thyself.” You say that discriminating against people who don’t follow your religious beliefs is part of your religious beliefs. But if that means you have to hate your neighbor, then don’t you have to hate yourself? Actually what it means is that you love your neighbor despite the fact that he doesn’t follow the same religious practices as you. It doesn’t mean you get to say, “No, I refuse to bake your wedding cake for you because you’re gay.” It means you take their order the same as you would for any other paying customer. And if you think that amounts to a slap on the cheek, then offer the other! Jesus Christ, does an atheist have to tell you how to be a Good Christian?

You are not being persecuted! You are not being denied the right to practice your religious beliefs! You are being denied the right to discriminate, but so do your religious beliefs! Have you noticed that every single president in this country’s history has been a Christian? More than 3/4ths of this country’s population identify themselves as some form of Christian, so how is it that you feel you are a minority? The Tea Party People, who are often religious conservatives, like to speak (incorrectly) of Tyranny. But isn’t it tyrannical of the majority to impose their religious beliefs on the minority? Some of you have actually said that you believe that Freedom of Religion means the freedom to practice only Christianity. For the life of me I cannot fathom how you arrived at that belief, but it’s wrong, too. It’s not just wrong, it’s the exact opposite of what the First Amendment guarantees.

So your knowledge about the Constitution is about as shaky as your knowledge about your own Religion, yet you claim the Constitution guarantees you, and only you who practice what you think is Christianity, the right to practice that Religion (but not in a way that your religion compels you to do.) Face it, Religious Conservatives: You don’t want the right to act like Christians, you want the right to act like assholes. Well, that’s not covered by the Constitution. Unless you’re a member of Congress.

This is our daily open thread. Sorry for the delay. Whether or not you’re a Conservative Christian, I hope you can forgive me. Feel free to talk about anything you wish.

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About Wayne A. Schneider

I'm a Liberal, Libertarian, Atheist Humanist. I believe that though the world is a dangerous place, it can be made better if we stop dividing ourselves by how we're different from each other, and reach out to each other through what we have in common. And that is that we are all human beings on this planet. Please remember that.

24 thoughts on “The Watering Hole, Saturday, June 14, 2014: Losing Their Religion

  1. Tea Party Christianity?? Yeah, this oughtta work:

    Embrace Christian Capitalism, Or Hitler Will Come Back

    “Capitalism is here to stay, and we need a church model that corresponds to that reality. Read Nietzsche. Nietzsche’s diagnosis of the weak modern Christian democratic man was spot on. Jesus was a great man. Jesus said he was the Son of God. Jesus made things happen. Jesus had faith. Jesus actually made people better. Then came the Christians. What happened? What went wrong? We appear to be a bit passive. Hitler came along, and he did not meet with unified resistance. I have the sinking feeling that it could all happen again, quite easily. The church should rise up higher than Nietzsche could see and prove him wrong. We should love our neighbor so much that we actually believe in right and wrong, and do something about it. If we all did the right thing and had the guts to spread the word, we would not need the government to backstop every action we take.(…)

    “I think the main point is that we need to synthesize Christianity and capitalism.”

    So says David Brat.

    • Isn’t it neat how this idiot conveniently overlooks how today’s warped capitalism and a government co-oped by Wall Street, corporations and the 1% are leading us rapidly into fascism. Capital = Money. Capitalism = Moneyism.

      “For the love of money is the root of all evil” 1 Timothy 6:10

      Many of these alleged Christians also believe we are in the end times. If so wouldn’t capitalism which is the most used economic model used world wide be the ‘beast system’ mentioned in their bibles??

      • Wingnuttistanian idiots have no clue that Hitler was the classic far right winger, aka Fascist, the mirror image of themselves and master practitioner of their own philosophy. They probably think he was a communist. You know, like Obama.

        • A teabagger co-worker of mine insists to me that the Nazi party were a bunch of socialists. I’m guessing the name ‘National Socialist Party’ throws him off much like the term ‘Christian’ does for me when I see so many alleged right wing Christians who despise illegal immigrants, the poor and the unemployed while defending food stamp cuts and the 1% and all their wealth.

          • Hitler was clever with the “Socialist” meme. It’s been my experience, too, that wingnuts these days have no idea that there are differences between Fascism, Socialism, and Marxism. I remember the pic of the idiot holding a sign declaring Obama to be a “Facist – Marksist.” Told me all I needed to know about a whole lot of stuff.

            • The teabaggers don’t actually know anything about anything so they are easily frightened by “scary words”. The right-wing media knows this so they choose words for emotional impact rather than to convey any particular meaning. The poor things don’t know Karl Marx from Groucho Marx so one can’t really expect them to know the difference between fascism and communism. They just know those words scare them.

    • If it’ll make the TeaPottiers and Repubs shake in their boots…
      Let the amnesty begin.

      • Amen to that. Speaking as one who was, back in my ag days, in frequent contact with and dependent upon the hard work and labors of “illegals”, I can say with no hesitation that were it up to me, they’d all be American citizens, post haste. They genuinely were some of the finest people I’ve ever been fortunate enough to associate with.

  2. …the anniversary of the Flag Resolution of 1777 – was officially established by the Proclamation of President Woodrow Wilson on May 30th, 1916. While Flag Day was celebrated in various communities for years after Wilson’s proclamation, it was not until August 3rd, 1949, that President Truman signed an Act of Congress designating June 14th of each year as National Flag Day.

    • Today would be my mother’s 106th birthday. When she was a little girl, she said that the first time she asked her mother how come there were flags all along the town’s streets, her mom said, “Because it’s your birthday, of course!”🙂

  3. Wayne, I think this is one of the best things you’ve written. Too many Christians forget that our freedom to worship as we please rests on the right of everyone to do so, that being persecuted for our beliefs is not he same thing as being denied the right to persecute others, and that if we believe that in some way man was created in the image of God then we must seek to see that image in every one of our fellow men and give it due respect.

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