The Watering Hole Tuesday August 19, 2014 -Environmental News and Food Politics


So to be theoretically opposed to factory farms because of what they might do falls on deaf ears, but when people in Ohio have been advised this month on multiple occasions to stop drinking their tap water, the culprit suddenly becomes legitimate.

Don’t drink the water!

I  guess it will be that way with global warming too. When rich Republicans find their beachfront property under water it will be time to do something, won’t it?


75 thoughts on “The Watering Hole Tuesday August 19, 2014 -Environmental News and Food Politics

  1. What I think we’re actually witnessing ‘out there’ are the first moments of the next, impending, Mass Extinction, this one human-caused. Sadly, we are the sole species to have EARNED all of that which we are about to receive; all the others must suffer needlessly, simply because of us. Quite a testimony to the opposite of the Divine Creation thesis, all of that.

  2. Big “surprise” of the day:

    At Least Five Children Murdered After They Were Deported Back To Honduras

    Between five and ten migrant children have been killed since February after the United States deported them back to Honduras, a morgue director told the Los Angeles Times. Lawmakers have yet to come up with best practices to deal with the waves of unaccompanied children apprehended by Border Patrol agents, but some politicians refute claims that children are fleeing violence and are opting instead to fund legislation that would fast-track their deportations.

    • “some politicians refute claims that children are fleeing violence and are opting instead to fund legislation that would fast-track their deportations”

      you know, the “Pro-Life” politicians…

  3. From Greg Sargent’s Morning Plum line…
    Republican ad spending bashing Obamacare dwindles…
    Guess they can’t sell that BS to people who it is helping….
    I know! Bash brown and black people! That’ll win you the Senate…Dolts.

  4. “When rich Republicans find their beachfront property under water it will be time to do something, won’t it?”

    Yes, and they will abandon ship to find more places to develop, straining infrastructure on another small quiet community and pushing poorer residents out.

      • … and build their second or third home in another stupid place; like in the middle of a forest, high on the ridge for the view.
        Drought, surrounded by stressed trees… but why worry?; the government firefighters will come put the fire out before it roars up the canyon.

        • off topic, yet important subject:

          Safe travels , cuervo, and be sure to write home (theZoo) upon arrival at your destination!

          • I expect to be reporting in from the road. It’s looking more and more as i pack that I can achieve self-containment, a little cramped in the trailer, but otherwise doable. I’ll be depending on mobile-wireless on the go, wherever I can park and get a word in edgewise.
            This is way to much fun to keep to myself, photo journalism of the journey as it happens I’ll put up on the Ehkstream blog. I’ve been very lazy there lately…

  5. A great argument against corrupt Presidential Candidate PRick Perry concerns for the citizens of Amurka…..

    AUSTIN (AP) — State lawmakers spent hours Thursday discussing ways to better provide low-income residents with health care since Texas has rejected the expansion of Medicaid under the federal Affordable Care Act, but the hearing ultimately generated more questions than answers.

    Texas is looking for market-based alternatives to expanding Medicaid under the law, including negotiating with the federal government to provide Medicaid block grants and waivers. But Sen. Charles Schwertner, R-Georgetown, opened a Health and Human Services Committee hearing by saying he didn’t see much hope of reaching an agreement and instead offered to “start a conversation” on different approaches.

    Texas leads the nation in uninsured residents, with 6.4 million Texans, or nearly a quarter of the population, lacking health care coverage. Before the hearing even began, county judges from the state’s six largest counties sent Schwertner a letter imploring the Legislature to find a unique, “Texas way forward” to expanding health coverage to low-income Texans.

    In the 24 states that have not expanded Medicaid, 6.7 million residents are projected to remain uninsured in 2016 as a result. Hospitals in those 24 states are also feeling the pinch, losing a 31 percent increase in Medicaid funding that was intended to offset cuts to Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement rates. Over 10 years that cost to hospitals is $167.8 billion, or $34.3 billion lost to Texas hospitals alone, and $22.6 billion in Florida, $12.8 billion in Georgia, $11.3 billion in North Carolina, and $10.6 billion in Pennsylvania.

    Yet another aspect of the financial costs comes in the numbers of uninsured. “Between September 2013 and June 2014, the proportion of non-elderly uninsured adults in non-expansion states fell from 20 percent to 18.3 percent, compared with a drop from 16.2 to 10.1 percent in states that expanded Medicaid,” says the report. “Put differently, the number of uninsured declined by 9 percent in non-expanding states and 38 percent in states that expanded Medicaid.” Put in human and economic terms, the rejected Medicaid federal funds would have created 172,400 jobs in 2015 alone, according to the Council of Economic Advisors.

  6. “When rich Republicans find their beachfront property under water it will be time to do something, won’t it?”

    Yup. They’ll make sure the Federal Government covers their beachfront mansions, condos and hotels with inexpensive flood insurance.

  7. The underlying reason I’ve been let go from the farm is the tenants (the “La De Da La’s”) who back in April rented the vacation cabin here on the farm. Another retired health care professional and his (still working) paralegal partner. He knows enough about country living to be dangerous, she doesn’t know that much. She appears to have an internet based ‘business’ consulting service. I looked up her Linked-In profile after getting some strange phone calls on the farm phone… it is loaded with false advertizing about the farm, of which she is claiming to be the Farm Operations Manager. (news to me!) She’s convinced the owners to develop the farm into a business catering to urbanites and assorted New Age-y types languishing in the suburban sprawls over in the Willamette Valley.
    She has created a grandiose portrayal of all the wondrous marvels of what they obviously now consider “theirs”.
    “Enchanting alder forest, magnificent old growth cedar groves, pristine rushing streams”…, etc, etc.
    “Come hear the voices of the Forest, Mountain and Water ‘Devas’ (her term, these spirits don’t go by that name around here)
    Mr. La De Da La wants to (illegally) build a workshop where he can set up his extensive power tool equipped shop from which he can make and ship product. Hasn’t said yet exactly what his ‘product’ is, it’s possible he doesn’t know. He wants to do it all off the grid, using hydro power, solar and wind, all of which do not exist even in combination to run everything in his shop, much less the house. I’ve told him this, but it isn’t what he wants to hear, so my advise is dismissed.

    I’ve listened to the voices of nature over the past year, and what they say is “Go AWAY!”. They tell all settlers in this place that used to be a Native American gathering camp to just go away. [I’ve found enough artifacts to demonstrate this is likely, the place was homesteaded 100 years ago as white settlers moved up the valleys, pushing the natives off their small garden plots and gathering areas, the settlers took advantage of clearings and water sources already established by the Natives.] It’s obvious from my understanding that the forests and hills have been telling settlers to go away ever since.
    The voices of nature and the environment rarely if ever tell humans what we WANT to hear, it’s always what we NEED to hear, and that’s not what most want to hear.
    These two daydreamers are good talkers, glib and completely false. They’re party people, what matters is being able to set themselves up in their own private paradise and invite other gullibles up for dinner parties and farm tours to bask in everyone’s admiration and envy about how “green” and “sustainable” they are. They make a lot of noise about how progressive and liberal they are, their actions are purely consumptive, greedy and self serving.
    Throughout all of this, they ignore the obvious: that it’s a lot of hard work. Farm work, dirty, wet, cold, hot, dry, smelly and never ending. I have no doubt they have convinced the farm owners they can take over all the duties I’ve had here, and I’m sure they have a waiting list of friends ready to move into my place as soon as I’m gone. Call some place Paradise, kiss it goodbye.

    My work is done. The farm has been rehabilitated for now to functional state, and that’s all the Universe is expecting from me. There are a lot of others in the world who need a Helper, such is my path and I’m off to find some work.
    The ‘La De Da Las’ may actually hear the forest, air and water spirits this winter, the alders whipping in the storm and snapping across the road, the torrent of muddy water washing out the roads…. all while they huddle shivering in their bungalow because the propane truck can’t get up their mountain driveway and he spent all summer putting in a patio and a Labyrinth instead of cutting firewood.
    The cedars will snicker into their boughs, the hillsides slip a little in delight, the waters will pound from the sky and the alders will moan out a rising and falling cry:

    • Best of everything as you move on, cuervo. City Slikkers rarely do well in rural reality. My guess is that a few gullible hippie wannabes will show up as the farm deteriorates for a lack of the hard work maintenance requires, bad mouth the shit out of the place on MyFaceNovel and the hucksters will wonder what happened, and try to find some one/thing to blame for their inadequacies.

      • Thanks RUC.
        Yup, same ol’ same ol’
        … and as I’m fresh in memory, when Mr. La La doesn’t know how to start the tractor to remove the trees from across the road so Mrs. La La can get to work it will all be my fault.

    • “The voices of nature and the environment rarely if ever tell humans what we WANT to hear, it’s always what we NEED to hear, and that’s not what most want to hear. . . . go-aawwwwaaaaaaay-ohhh-goaaawwwwaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy

      “Earth provides enough to satisfy every man’s needs, but not every man’s greed.” – Mahatma Gandhi

      Go for Nature’s gold, Curevo. The world is in dire need.

      • There’s less and less of nature, and I have less years to observe it, so thank you for your support, I’m on my way.

    • What products does this farm produce? Will the LaDeDa’s be able to continue to produce and sell the products? An important part of sustainability is also being able to pay the bills for the things you cannot produce yourself.
      I’m sure you will be much happier free of these people’s negative energy.

      • As it stands, and throughout the last 10 years of operation the farm has never broken even. Worse, the owners (who are just as la la as the new arrivals) have sunk all their capital into grandiose projects resulting in thousands of dollars of lumber and materials literally going to rot under blue tarps.
        As Benjamin Franklin stated, labor is the most valuable resource, they don’t get that. Over the past decade there have been many lured here to work who end up leaving because of the unrealistic mindset. The farm basically is run at a loss so that they don’t have to pay property taxes. The few eggs and berries they manage to take to town are enough for the gas to get there, and lunch with the townies where they can tout their noble endeavors in sustainable living. It’s all a sham. I don’t do well with this kind of mentality, and am not afraid to point out the obvious, therefore I have become unpopular.
        I’ve been able to work with the owners, and have even seen some glimmers of reality in their thoughts and actions, though it’s been a lot of extra mental work. The arrival of the newbies who don’t have a froggin’ clue about what they’re getting into is to much. I’m not going to enable them in their blatant parasitism.

          • They have, they’ve been audited a few times over the past decade, more attention than is normal for such a small operation.
            Wait till they build more infrastructure and state and county officials catch wind. (The tenant thinks he can do hydroelectric here and plans on stream “modification”. If there’s one thing you don’t do it’s mess with natural water hydrology.) The place will get shut down and everybody will have to leave. All because they can’t be happy with enough to sustain, they want more… more attention, more status, more more more…
            The forest will smile and the wild creatures rejoice.

            • Other than my relation of the situation here, I’m not saying a peep. I’m not resentful or angry, just sad; and I have no intention of acting in a vindictive manner by blowing the whistle. We know what happens to whistle blowers.
              Even commenting here is a little chancy, though I’ve mentioned no names or precise locations. The sustainability of my own survival comes first, one has to have care for themselves first before being able to truly help others.

            • I hope you don’t think I was suggesting you turn these folks in, I run my farm so by the rules that I’m always curious about others who don’t. I’m amused at times by folks who fear additional EPA regulation as to run off and water quality because anything they would require, I have already done.
              Go with a glad heart, and wipe the dust off your feet after you leave. 🙂

            • No, no, not at all! You have far more integrity than telling someone else what to do!

              I make a lot of noise sometimes and I begin to get a little nervous the more I let out. I can’t talk about any of this on my blog, it’s something of neighborhood chronicles and I keep it light and fluffy, mostly. I’m getting tired of that to, no more Mr. Happy Beach Photographer. Ehkstream is going to start posting photos of dead seals and strangled seabirds, close ups of plastic pollution and left behind socks and bags of dog poo.
              -devilish grin-

  8. While the world focuses on Ferguson, Missouri, two trains collided head-on in Arkansas.

    Expert: Train Collision Will Renew Safety Calls

    A deadly head-on train collision in Arkansas proves more needs to be done to improve safety, but implementing fixes industrywide likely won’t occur before a federal deadline, a transportation expert said Monday.

    Two Union Pacific crew members were killed and two others injured Sunday when a pair of freight trains collided on the same track near the town of Hoxie in northeast Arkansas. Engineer Chance Gober of White Hall, Arkansas, and conductor Roderick Hayes, of McKinney, Texas, died in the crash, according to company spokesman Jeff DeGraff, who said both victims were aboard the southbound train.

    Federal investigators were continuing to collect evidence at the crash site Monday.

    This flawed and outdated system won’t be brought up to date, even though the government has passed a law requiring it. Millions of gallons of oil and other explosive products continue to be transported daily without even adequate requirements for liability insurance in amounts that would begin to cover the damage potential of these shipments when things go wrong. Suing these ‘corporations’ isn’t useful, as they are all shells without significant assets.

    • My condolences to the families of the dead and injured.
      The transport of toxic materials needs better regulation. Perhaps requiring the companies who own this toxic material to be over insured will drive up the true cost of doing business to the point where renewable clean energy becomes a more economic choice.

      • Sometimes I think I prefer the concept of self-imposed human extinction — if only ‘we’ could find a way to limit it to us.

        And too, with us gone ‘renewable clean energy’ takes over automatically!

  9. “The Pope has been informed of the tragic accident in Argentina involving family members, and he is deeply saddened,” the Vatican said in a statement. “He asks all those who share his grief to unite with him in prayer.

    In a candid discussion with reporters about his own mortality, Pope Francis suggested Monday he has just two or three years to live and may retire before then.”

    Wait, WHAT?

    • An educated guess would be he’s been diagnosed with a disease that is, perhaps, progressing at a more rapid pace.

  10. If a person dumps poison into our water supply, we’d label them a terrorist, lock them up and throw away the key.

    When a corporation does it we just give them a fine.

  11. Damn, if an officer, out of knife reach ‘feels threatened’ and has the need to kill – really shouldn’t be a ‘peace officer’.

    St. Louis police officer fatally shoots 23-year-old African-American man holding knife –

  12. (although he may be on vacation, or away from a computer)

    For our Vinyl – Happy Aviation Day!

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  13. WTF? Missouri Lt. Gov. Peter Kinder Wants ‘Anglo-American’ Justice In Ferguson

    Missouri Lt. Gov. Peter Kinder (R) on Tuesday called for Gov. Jay Nixon (D) to reinstate the curfew in Ferguson to allow the justice system — which he said was a product of “Anglo-American civilization” — to do its job.

    Good thing white dudes never “act erratically” when it comes to the ‘equal justice’ thesis.

    • He’s not looking quite so badass as his pose on the gunboat is he?
      Is it my imagination or is he getting that George W. Bush wrinkled forehead look… you know, like he’s starting to think he’s in over his head?

    • More chaff to confuse the extraterrestrials coming to dinner.
      A science fiction story I read, wherein humans were deemed an unsavory species and all orbiting satellites were pulverized; creating so much space junk that Earthlings were trapped on the planet, keeping them from ever achieving space travel.

  14. I must have read too much about Michael Brown, so facebook suggested this post to me:

    I need to vomit.

    • (gulp) Take a guard Goose with you! Remain safe, cuervo.

      [ My paternal Grandma’s family was from the Coos Bay, Myrtle Point, Bandon, and Gaylord area]
      (Great Uncle Chub and Great Aunt Irene fished the Coquille for Chinook – canned their own. Used to send us cans of the most delicious, succulent salmon)

      • Thanks for sharing some history! I’m headed for Coquille with work there, and an orchard in Myrtle Point to prune later in the winter. I’m planning on kayaking there and possibly fishing, maybe I’ll see Uncle Chub and Aunt Irene out on the river!

        I had an Uncle Ernie and Aunt Fernie, they lived on a small farm in Cedar Springs, Michigan. One of my earliest farm experiences, Uncle Ernie chewed Red Man tobacco and drank in the barn. Aunt Fernie in the house was a perpetual chickadee, always cooking and laughing and picking flowers.
        I was very young and used to like eating the raw wheat grain in the feed room until I got worms. -chuckle-

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