The Watering Hole, Monday, October 6, 2014: No Nukes for You!

As usual, I found the topic for today’s thread while researching something else: in this case, looking for info on the time frame when Bush wouldn’t let the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) finish its inspection for WMDs in Iraq, just prior to our heedless and headstrong invasion. I never finished that research, as I was distracted by more timely news.

The first IAEA link that came up was, surprisingly, from a Chinese news site, from which I learned that the IAEA is sending a team to Iran shortly for talks on Iran’s progress in meeting certain deadlines regarding its nuclear program. In addition, the National Journal says “The IAEA has sought information on the “potential military dimensions” of the Iranian nuclear program, in particular information about Iran’s extensive research and development of a nuclear explosive device.”

From the Chinese site, xinhuanet.com:

“Iran and the IAEA agreed to implement five practical measures including the cooperation of resolving two points of Iran’s nuclear program related to the alleged nuclear weapon plan, so- called possible military dimensions (PMD) to Iran’s nuclear plan by deadline Aug. 25 in order to provide greater transparency of Tehran’s nuclear program.However, the IAEA said Iran missed the deadline in implementing three measures, and two measures related to PMD issues have yet to be implemented so far.”

Then in an article from Arutz Sheva, Israel National News, the headline shouts “353 US Reps to Kerry: Iran ‘Stonewalling’ on Nuke Detonator”, followed by the opening line, “Stunning bipartisan congressional letter focuses on Iran’s ‘refusal to fully cooperate’ with IAEA over Parchin.”   Hmmm, well, here’s the letter, which I didn’t find particularly “stunning.” The article continues:

“The Congressional Letter’s signatories included almost all of both parties’ leaderships, and was greatly aided by Republican Congressman Peter J. Roskam (R-IL-06) of Illinois, a stalwart, and tireless, advocate of Israel as a vital strategic asset of the United States.”

“This Congressional warning follows a similar warning from Israel Intelligence Minister Yuval Steinitz, who issued a statement last week that emphasized that “credible sources” alleged that “internal neutron sources such as uranium were used in nuclear implosion tests at [Iran’s] Parchin.”

I also found this ^^ article interesting as it includes a diagram of a “neutron initiator” by the infamous AQ Khan – KHAAAAAAANN!  (Sorry, I had to.)

Okay, Congress and Israel, don’t get all freaked out and start shouting “mushroom cloud.” Remember the last time that we had “credible sources” about possible nukes, purportedly in Iraq, and went off half-cocked and half-assed? As Donald Rumsfeld (spit) so insultingly told under-provisioned U.S. troops to their faces, “…you go to war with the army you have—not the army you might want or wish to have…” How many thousands of American and coalition troops died, how many maimed, how many innocent Iraqis were killed? How much of their “sovereign nation” did we destroy? Seriously, do you macho politicians ever remember history, because you seem quite willing to repeat it.

Moving along…again from israelnationalnews.com, blogger Batya Medad writes about the following news:

“Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu told Israel Radio late Thursday that he had agreed to an American framework proposal whereby Israel would negotiate peace with the Palestinians on the basis of the ’67 cease-fire lines with territorial swaps. (Jerusalem Post)”

Ms. Medad then writes:

“American policy is American policy. They promote what they think is good for the United States of America, and they want the support of what they perceive as “moderate Arab states.” The fact that such a phrase is an oxymoron has nothing to do with anything. Let the USA do whatever it wants. My complaints are against the Israeli Government, Binyamin Bibi Netanyahu’s government coalition.

Israel is supposedly an independent country and has been since the 1949 Armistice, which ended the active fighting between the newly established State of Israeli[sic] and the surrounding Arab countries, which had attacked it.

Although the State of Israel has been victorious in all of the wars against us by our Arab enemies, we have had successive governments that beg the United States for support and friendship. Bibi’s acquiescence to American demands is just the latest in a long series of bad policy steps over the decades.”

Oh, my, where do I start with this bit?

How about, if it weren’t for the U.S. and its allies, the State of Israel would not exist?

Or, AIPAC is the biggest and probably most powerful lobby in the United States?

Or, how much money and military equipment and assistance has the U.S. given to Israel throughout its existence?

Or, didn’t you guys actually start some of those “wars against us by our Arab enemies”?

Or, Israel doesn’t “beg the United States for support and friendship”, it demands it unconditionally and unswervingly, then spits in our faces. And when we politely ask that Israel restrain itself a tad when they’re violating the conditions of the 1967 agreement by bombing their neighbors and taking their neighbors’ land, Israel considers it an affront to their sovereignty. Bite me, Israel, you can stop taking our money and assistance, we can certainly use a few extra billion dollars right here.

As to Israel’s worry over the possibility of Iran hiding the development of a nuclear weapon, all I can say is, how big is Israel’s nuclear stockpile that Israel denies exists?

Okay, rant over…for now.

This is our daily open thread – don’t mind me, feel free to discuss whatever you want.

29 thoughts on “The Watering Hole, Monday, October 6, 2014: No Nukes for You!

  1. The SCOTUS just denied certiorari to all the pending same sex marriage cases.

    • Yes, and Justice Scalia was seen waddling uncomfortably for the rest room to change his soiled, shat undies…

  2. Many believe that the creation of Israel has a biblical connection. I’m in the belief that the nation state of Israel was created by the Western world due to all of the oil in the region. And of course to have a built in excuse to invade oil rich countries who “pose” a threat to Israel.

    Would any of the madness we see in Palestine and in other parts of the Middle East even be happening if Israel did not exist?

    • Yes, there would still be madness in the Middle East. Jews began moving into Palestine in fairly large numbers after WWI, buying farmland, which created tensions. Then there’s the ancient quarrel between Shiites and Sunnis.

  3. Not only should the US stop all aid of every type (except of course AIPAC private donations) but we should demand our money back. Israel is a failed experiment in reparations. They have no innate legitimacy.

  4. Attempting to find a transcript of CrazyRick’s news conference, so you won’t have to see his mug…
    Ebola is Washington/Obama’s fault and Ricky says the Feds need to step up, etc.
    (hmm, Gov. P. who keeps talking secession has no qualms blaming and seeking assistance from the same Federal Government he wants no part of…)

  5. Yesterday on ABC? It was wall-to-wall ebola coverage or ISIS coverage and one bubbleheaded boob job after another – “why can’t we just bomb these people? aren’t we Amurka!?” – then cut to commercials – Larry the Cable Guy has heartburn, someone else’s willy can’t get up in the morning, these people have IBS, she’s got an overactive bladder and a fungus way on down there….. thank got there’s a pill for all of that shit or I’d have to fookin’ start panicking….. back to the ‘news’ – “I mean, isn’t there a pill I can take to protect myself and my family against ebola/ISIS beheadings/whatever-I-should-scare-Amurka-with-next?”

    • These may be the same folks who are immunization-phobic choosing NOT to protect their children…yet want a quick cure to ward off Ebola.

  6. Got 15 minutes?…

    Khorasan Doesn’t Exist, They Never Did, You’ve Been Lied To

  7. So, in my little backwater slice of rural Virginia, a gay couple was married this afternoon. Outside of one or two thumpings of the part of the bible that Paul wrote, there have been no repercussions. The sun will probably rise tomorrow. Once again, Loving has taken on the state of Virginia, and Loving has won.

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