The Watering Hole; October 10 2014; Open Thread

Since I’m still not able to put up much of a post, thought maybe I’d let a few others do the talking. Interesting to note that no matter how much the human society presumes/pretends to advance, the more things remain the same — or even regress.

“As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.” ~George Washington

“The country is headed toward a single and splendid government of an aristocracy founded on banking institutions and monied corporations, and if this tendency continues it will be the end of freedom and democracy, the few will be ruling and riding over the plundered plowman and the beggar.” ~Thomas Jefferson

“Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the ‘wall of separation between church and state,’ therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society.” ~Thomas Jefferson

“The accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary, in the same hands, whether of one, a few or many, and whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny.” ~James Madison, Federalist 47

“What influence in fact have ecclesiastical establishments had on Civil Society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the Civil authority; in many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been seen the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty may have found an established Clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just Government instituted to secure & perpetuate it needs them not.” ~James Madison, 1785

What happened? When did we lose it? Did we ever have it? Where did we go wrong?Out of which hole crawled today’s Republican Party? What can we do to stuff it back into the abyss from which it escaped?




81 thoughts on “The Watering Hole; October 10 2014; Open Thread

  1. QOTD:

    “You’re so handsome that I can’t speak properly.” — Gwyneth Paltrow, hosting President Obama at a fundraiser in her backyard yesterday.

    She’s insufferable.

  2. “What happened? When did we lose it? Did we ever have it? Where did we go wrong?Out of which hole crawled today’s Republican Party?”

    The answers to these questions may be found in The Family by Jeff Sharlott.

  3. “The Family” — from

    They insist they are just a group of friends, yet they funnel millions of dollars through tax-free corporations. They claim to disdain politics, but congressmen of both parties describe them as the most influential religious organization in Washington. They say they are not Christians, but simply believers.

    Behind the scenes at every National Prayer Breakfast since 1953 has been the Family, an elite network dedicated to a religion of power for the powerful. Their goal is “Jesus plus nothing.” Their method is backroom diplomacy. The Family is the startling story of how their faith—part free-market fundamentalism, part imperial ambition—has come to be interwoven with the affairs of nations around the world.

    James Madison said, “What influence in fact have ecclesiastical establishments had on Civil Society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the Civil authority . . .” Gotta wonder if/how he knew?

  4. Gosh, no kidding?:

    “Some of the more ghoulish trick-or-treaters will be dressed as emergency responders to people sick with Ebola, head to toe in protective clothing, according to costume previews in social media.”

  5. Nuts and nutser:

    According to Allen West, the Islamic State (also known as ISIS) is using the “exact same tactics” as Media Matters and the progressive website Daily Kos:

    It normally begins with some leftist central command, such as Media Matters or Daily Kos, to issue a call of attack — and the mindless lemmings follow, normally completely devoid of any knowledge or understanding of a topic. It is the leftist progressive tactic of instilling fear, coercion and intimidation. And ISIS is following suit, using the exact same tactics.

    • I have had this feeling, all day, that I have forgotten something important. I guess that I must have forgotten to invade a city, terrorize people who aren’t liberal atheists, and behead a few reporters. Damn! I guess that my plan for a quiet weekend has been shot to Hell. Where, oh where, did I put my black face mask and extra magazines for my AK-47?

  6. Judge Strikes Down NC Gay Marriage Ban

    A federal judge in North Carolina has struck down the state’s gay marriage ban, opening the way for the first same-sex weddings in the state to begin immediately.

    U.S. District Court Judge Max O. Cogburn, Jr., in Asheville issued a ruling Friday shortly after 5 p.m. declaring the ban approved by state voters in 2012 unconstitutional.

    Cogburn’s ruling follows Monday’s announcement by the U.S. Supreme Court that it would not hear any appeal of a July ruling by the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals in Richmond striking down Virginia’s ban. That court has jurisdiction oover North Carolina.

    Dominos…(and I don’t mean pizza)

    • ‘nother domino…

      Supreme Court Lifts Stay on Same-Sex Marriages in Idaho

      The Supreme Court on Friday allowed same-sex marriages to proceed in Idaho, lifting a temporary stay issued two days earlier by Justice Anthony M. Kennedy.

      The developments capped a busy week for gay rights. It started with the court’s refusal on Monday to hear appeals from decisions striking down same-sex marriage bans in Indiana, Oklahoma, Utah, Virginia and Wisconsin. The next day, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, in San Francisco, struck down bans in Idaho and Nevada.

  7. TommytheTurtle is 13 today…… this is for him…happy birthday my big lad ….. oh shit…. two teenagers now… 🙂

    • It keeps getting worse to where it’s now reached the point where virtually everything that goes down anywhere on the planet that’s capable of inspiring fear in susceptible idiots (Republicans) is immediately attributed (by Fox et al) to Obama’s secret desire to destroy the US.

      Lessee — the AIDS pandemic came to the US during Reagan’s years in the White House. Hmmm. What could that possibly indicate?

      • RottenRonnie wouldn’t acknowledge AIDS for a long time, and when he did he did nothing…nothing, no extra funding to finding out or fighting the disease.

  8. Hong Kong

    The Federation of Students warned the government on Friday that they would “escalate” their actions – including blocking government headquarters again – if officials refused to come to the negotiating table with acceptable terms.

  9. There is no end to the Repugnants idiocy:

    A Utah Republican state lawmaker suggested this week that same-sex marriages in the state be known as “pairages” to keep them separate and distinct from heterosexual marriages.

    According to the Salt Lake City Tribune, the alternate wording was just one of the measures in a bill sponsored by state Rep. Kraig Powell (R) designed to throw obstacles in the path of statewide marriage equality

    • That’s yet one more example of the irrational but deeply embedded hate/fear complex that seemingly has come to define the current right wing/Republican portion of the country. It’s gotta be a genetic thing, and as such is going to be as difficult to counter as is, e.g., sickle-cell anemia — or any other genetic malware.

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