The Watering Hole, Wednesday, October 29, 2014.

Why do we learn history?

So we can learn from the mistakes of the past.

But which history will teach us that? The history I learned in grammer school was contradicted by the history I learned in high school, and when I got to college, it was like everything I learned was a lie.

‘Tis true. The history they teach in school is little more than a fantasy with some real names, dates and places thrown in to make it sound real. But grownups feel that young children should be protected from the harsh realities of what really happened. I mean, imagine how upset you would have been to learn that we wiped out tens of thousands of Indians by giving them small-pox infected blankets.

Yeah, I guess you’re right. I mean, I would have thought we killed Pochohantas. But what about something more recent?

Like what?

Like Black Tuesday. The Stock Market crash. The causes of the Great Depression. Now we’re told it was organized labor and high taxes on the job creators that tanked the global economy back then.

Ok, son, it’s time you learned how history works. There’s history, what really happened, and there’s history, what the people in power want you to believe happened.

How do we know the difference?

Do something most people are unwilling to do: Research. Read. Go to original sources. The ruling class learned something 85 years ago. They learned that they needed even more power over the government. And they, slowly but surely, got it. So, this time, when they crashed the economy, they made sure they were well taken care of. They learned from history, and took steps to avoid losing their fortunes this time around. The common man, the masses content to accept the history the ruling class taught them, did not learn, and paid the price this time, too.

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59 thoughts on “The Watering Hole, Wednesday, October 29, 2014.

  1. The Fall TV schedule in France must be sucking the wad this season….. next phase in the Clown Terror in France…. vigilantes on the streets now, beating up anyone in clown gear….. presumably France’s national treasure, the street mime,…. is now at risk.

    • That’s what those clowns get for rampaging – the French don’t put up with teenage hooligans, even if they are dressed up as creepy clowns. (I find clowns very creepy)

  2. For some reason or other, the current model of American history-speak-revision-politic reminds me of a comment by one of the world’s ranking experts in the art of truth distortion:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” ~Joseph Goebbels; Hitler’s Minister of Propaganda

    • “There are no Russian troops in Crimea/Ukraine …. they are on holiday….. on exercises….. they got lost…. ”

      “Death panels”

      “Kenya/Muslim/Marxist/Fascist dictator”

      “War on marriage / war on Christmas / war on Christians”

      “Climate change is one-world government plot”

      “They are coming for your guns”

      Anyone else?

      And then there is Churchill:

      “A lie can be halfway around the world, before the truth has put it’s trousers on.”

      • Also describing a country run by an Oligarchy. I think he wrote 1984 as a warning, little realizing it would be used as a blueprint.

    • ooo, that is a spectacular view!

      I want to fly like an eagle!

      (I do apologize if you, now, have that ear worm)

  3. Thanks for the reminder BnF. I knew today was an anniversary when I got up this morning.
    Note to self, don’t look at the stock ticker till tomorrow…85th Anniversary of the Great Crash…

  4. The Crisis in U.S. – Israel Relations Is Officially Here

    The other day I was talking to a senior Obama administration official about the foreign leader who seems to frustrate the White House and the State Department the most. “The thing about Bibi is, he’s a chickenshit,” this official said, referring to the Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, by his nickname.

    (snip)

    The fault for this breakdown in relations can be assigned in good part to the junior partner in the relationship, Netanyahu, and in particular, to the behavior of his cabinet. Netanyahu has told several people I’ve spoken to in recent days that he has “written off” the Obama administration, and plans to speak directly to Congress and to the American people should an Iran nuclear deal be reached. For their part, Obama administration officials express, in the words of one official, a “red-hot anger” at Netanyahu for pursuing settlement policies on the West Bank, and building policies in Jerusalem, that they believe have fatally undermined Secretary of State John Kerry’s peace process.

    I expect the RWNJs will be all outraged over this. I wonder with this coming out now, which side it will help in the midterms?

    • Here are pair of quotes that pretty much sum up both that dude’s problem and the consequences implicit in history alteration:

      “None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free.” ~Goethe

      “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” ~George Santayana in ‘The Life of Reason’

    • As I have said before; There are two possible complaints about public education. Those of us who live in the cause and effect universe inhabited by sane people are concerned that public schools don’t teach enough. The rest are flat out terrified that the public schools will teach too much and poke a hole in the religious, social, and political indoctrination children receive at home. It’s pretty clear which group this guy belongs in.

  5. The Allman Brothers Band Take a Final Bow at Epic Beacon Theatre Show

    The only note of sentiment during the Allman Brothers Band’s October 28th concert at New York’s Beacon Theatre – their last at that venue and anywhere else, at least for the foreseeable future – came after more than four hours of music: three sets and an inevitable encore, “Whipping Post.” The seven members of the group – the surviving trio of founders, singer-organist Gregg Allman and drummers Butch Trucks and Jaimoe; the long-serving guitar team of Warren Haynes and Derek Trucks; and often overlooked veterans Oteil Burbridge on bass and percussionist Marc Quinones – lined up onstage and took a bow: a first at any Allmans-Beacon show I’d ever attended.

    Then Gregg, pressed forward by the others, gave a short speech, another first, recalling the day 45 years ago that he first sang with the original Allmans lineup – led by his late brother, guitarist Duane Allman, and including guitarist Dickey Betts and the late bassist Berry Oakley – at a jam session in Jacksonville, Florida. Gregg cited the precise date, March, 26th, 1969, then said, in a low, worn voice, “Never did I have any idea it could come to this.” He gazed gratefully at the crowd, still on its feet, clapping and cheering, at nearly 1:30 a.m. “Now,” Gregg added, “We’re gonna do the first song we ever played.”

    The Allmans got back in position and tore into “Trouble No More,” the Muddy Waters rumble from Side One of the group’s 1969 debut album, The Allman Brothers Band. It sounded nothing like goodbye: tight and gnarly, Derek and Haynes riding the triple-drum-kit surf with avenging poise. But it was.

    I doubt this is the last Allman Brothers concert. People like this don’t just stop playing.

  6. On my walk saw gasoline was $2.92/gal. It was close to $4.00 about three weeks ago.

    Thanks Obama

    • Waiting for Fox and Friends to call this out … since they blamed him for the high prices…. in 3…2…1….. (I passed out from holding my breath…)

    • ironically, approving the Keystone XL pipeline is more likely to make this price *go up* than go down – Keystone allows the Kochs to export the oil they own in the tar sands to Europe – supply and demand baby.

    • That photo reads 24 October – he’s looking fairly healthy.
      Pancreatic cancer would bring him down in short period of time…it is one of those cancers that usually isn’t detected in early stage…
      You can learn to believe TtT…be a dreamer!

  7. Utterly predictable. Not only has FAUX”News” neglected to give President Obama any credit for dropping gas prices but they have even gone so far as to opine that lower gas prices, wait for it…, “hurt the economy”. I am surprised at one thing though. I was expecting that the oil companies and the traders would get together and concoct a wave of refinery closures “for maintenance” so they could jack the prices up before the elections. Gee. Do you think that maybe they like the economy just the way it is?

    http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/10/29/msnbcs-rachel-maddow-blasts-foxs-hypocrisy-on-g/201374

    On a related note: The GOoPers really have painted themselves into a corner. If they could just stop bashing the president for one minute they could cite the improvements in the economy since the 2010 midterms and actually take some credit for said improvements and attract some undecided voters. Even if one doesn’t share their obsession with deficits when a Democrat is in the White House they have, in fact, succeeded in cutting the deficit. Alas. They are so committed to claiming that everything sucks, in hopes that the American people will never elect another Democrat much less one who isn’t an old white male, that they can’t even acknowledge their accomplishments.

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