Watering Hole: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 – Oops

Looks like Nonewhere forgot to post something for Tuesday.

This is our Open Thread.  Speak Up!  Protests everywhere… why can’t we just love each other.


35 thoughts on “Watering Hole: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 – Oops

  1. “Oops” indeed! New CIA motto?

    Senate Torture Report Condemns C.I.A. for Deception and Brutality

    A scathing report released by the Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday found that the Central Intelligence Agency routinely misled the White House and Congress about the information it obtained from the detention and interrogation of terrorism suspects, and that its methods were more brutal than the C.I.A. acknowledged either to Bush administration officials or to the public.

    The long-delayed report, which took five years to produce and is based on more than six million internal agency documents, is a sweeping indictment of the C.I.A.’s operation and oversight of a program carried out by agency officials and contractors in secret prisons around the world in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. It also provides a macabre accounting of some of the grisliest techniques that the C.I.A. used to torture and imprison terrorism suspects.

    Detainees were deprived of sleep for as long as a week, and were sometimes told that they would be killed while in American custody. With the approval of the C.I.A.’s medical staff, some C.I.A. prisoners were subjected to medically unnecessary “rectal feeding” or “rectal hydration” — a technique that the C.I.A.’s chief of interrogations described as a way to exert “total control over the detainee.” C.I.A. medical staff members described the waterboarding of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the chief planner of the Sept. 11 attacks, as a “series of near drownings.”

    How many one-way tickets to The Hague will be needed here?

    • Talking head on NPR this morning: “Why would the CIA continue to defend their interrogation techniques and insist that good, important information was garnered?” Uh, duh, maybe because it’s the only excuse they can cling to?

      • I still remember when JFK was going to “break the CIA into a thousand pieces.” Too bad he didn’t succeed before “they” (whomever ?) got him.

  2. Yes, I think we can. Let this sink in: We’re talking about government officials raping prisoners – and nothing will be done to hold them to account. This is what America has become.

    • We just watched it a little while ago (Colbert and Daily Show are rerun in the early evening the day after the show), and Obama was wonderful. The parody of Colbert’s “The Word” was the best.

    • He’s funnier than what’s his name who once did Weekend Update. Heck! His intentional humor is almost as funny as Vikki Jackson’s mad ramblings. If he wants a paying gig after his term is over he should appoint himself a show, by executive order of course, on FAUX”News” so he can heckle his successor; whoever that may be. Wouldn’t it be fun to see him get even for all the outrageous abuse on nightly TV?

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  4. The New York Times today editorializes that the torture report is “a portrait of depravity that is hard to comprehend and even harder to stomach.” This is the same newspaper that refused to use the word “torture” for years out of deference to the Bush administration – even though it was plain as the light of day.

    The international community will now rightly insist that the perpetrators of these war crimes be punished.

    • …Fox…covering only the Gruber story.

      When that doesn’t work…Benghazi as a ‘fall back’ story.

    • hmm, they may change their tune (about Gruber):

      Gruber Apologizes For ‘Mean And Insulting’ Comments On ACA Process

      …”In some cases, I made uninformed and glib comments about the political process behind health care reform. I am not an expert on politics and my tone implied that I was, which is wrong.,,”

  5. Courtesy of ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero:

    Mr. Obama could pardon George J. Tenet for authorizing torture at the C.I.A.’s black sites overseas, Donald H. Rumsfeld for authorizing the use of torture at the Guantánamo Bay prison, David S. Addington, John C. Yoo andJay S. Bybee for crafting the legal cover for torture, and George W. Bush and Dick Cheney for overseeing it all.


    • Just received an email from ACLU-ACTION, signed by Anthony Romero, in which he states:

      In my op-ed about the Senate’s report on post-9/11 torture, I call for the formal pardon of the architects of the CIA’s torture regime. While the ACLU has demanded the prosecution of these criminals for 13 years, the Obama Administration has shown very little political will to appoint a special prosecutor — I wanted to provoke the administration, and shame them into taking action.

  6. Nicolle Wallace And The GOP Believe Torture Makes America Great

    The Republican party has completely gone off the rails and oppose any and every issue there is. Republicans are fond of (and this is a list far from complete): disparaging the poor, destroying the environment, profiting off illness while insurance executives live high on the hog, guns and their limitless proliferation, racism, religious judgment, vilifying education, extreme nationalism and xenophobia, promoting animal cruelty, dishonesty in broadcasting, disparaging healthy eating, homophobia, misogyny, denying science and climate change, etc, etc, etc….and TORTURE. Why not torture?

  7. QOTD:

    “The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of [this] Convention. It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.

    The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for international cooperation in the criminal prosecution of torturers relying on so-called ‘universal jurisdiction.’ Each State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who are found in its territory or to extradite them to other countries for prosecution,” – Ronald Reagan’s signing statement on the ratification of the UN Convention on Torture.


    “Each State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who are found in its territory or to extradite them to other countries for prosecution.”

  8. Sean Hannity Waterboard Watch – 4 Years, 11 Months Since He Promised To Undergo Waterboarding For Charity
    POSTED BY ELLEN -1916.80PC ON MARCH 22, 2014

    It has been nearly five years since Sean Hannity promised to undergo waterboarding – or, as he called it, “dunking” – for charity in order to prove that it’s not torture.

    5. Water-boarding caused physical harm. Even though the CIA had told the Department of Justice that water-boarding did not physically harm detainees, the report concludes that it induces “convulsions and vomiting.” During one session, Saudi Arabian al Qaeda-linked Saudi citizen Abu Zubaydah became “completely unresponsive with bubbles rising through his open full mouth.”

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