The Watering Hole, Wednesday, Dec. 10, 2014: Standing your ground.

And so it came to pass that the people, in ever growing numbers, refused to vote for the lesser of two evils. They withheld their votes, on principle.

Meanwhile, the fanatic ‘true believers’ continued to vote as their religious overlords commanded. For the sake of wealth and power, a new religion had evolved, turning the old edicts about caring and love on their head, preaching the value of selfishness and intolerance towards all ‘unchurched’. The ‘true believers’ voted for, in the minds of the unchurched, the greater of two evils.

This continued for generations, and the once-proud country fell into disrepair; the lot of the masses slowly but persistently declined. Meanwhile, the wealth and power of the few grew and grew and grew.

And the masses, who greatly outnumbered the ‘true believers’ continued to stand on principle, and continued to refuse to vote, never realizing that by refusing to vote for the lesser of two evils, they allowed the greater of two evils to prevail. And each succeeding election, there was always an evil greater than the present evil, and with each succeeding election, that greater evil prevailed.

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42 thoughts on “The Watering Hole, Wednesday, Dec. 10, 2014: Standing your ground.

    • Dream big.
      Set goals that are unobtainable in your eyes and the eyes of others.
      And definitely ignore those that say it can’t be done.
      In the process of reaching for that goal, regardless of whether you do or not, you will accomplish something greater than expected.

    • I think Republican majorities in first the House (2010 election) and soon to be in both House and Senate (courtesy 2014) are more evil than McCain, Romney, Obama, Reagan, Bush I, Bush II, Nixon, Gingrich, Cruz, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ryan, Paul, and Hitler combined.

    • With Obama, the masses came out to vote. We may well have gotten the lesser of two evils, but progressives and liberals tend to give Obama a pass on the evil he does.

      By not prosecuting Bush, Cheney et al. for international war crimes and crimes against humanity, he gives them sanctuary. The US became a terrorist State under Bush/Cheney, and remains so under Obama.

      • I agree completely. But there are times when the lesser of two evils is the only available option, and that’s pretty much described the US at least since the 1980 elections, and very possibly ever since Nov 22 1963 when “they” got rid of JFK and essentially set the wheels of State/Corporate merger in motion.

      • I also agree. I am disappointed that Obama let Bush/Cheney/et al get away with more than just murder. But I’m also open-minded enough to the possibility that Obama chose to not prosecute because he knows that if he did, the Republicans would make life even harder for him. Issa would be handing out subpoenas left and right, and the day-to-day functioning of the government would suffer. Every single nominee requiring Senator confirmation would be held, anonymously at first, until someone had the guts to admit the truth – that it’s in retaliation for making Bush pay for his crimes. And all because the Republicans are whiny, bitchy cry-babies when they don’t get their way, even when the public at large rejects them.

        • In retroview, he should have insisted on prosecution anyway. Nothing would have changed amongst Republicans — they’re each and all “are whiny, bitchy cry-babies” regardless. Prosecuting Bush/Cheney et al. would have given them something real to freak out over rather than than ‘that momentary taste’ of whatever it is that apparently plagues them. As Omar Khayyam put it a millennium ago,

          A Moment’s Halt — a momentary taste
          Of BEING from the Well amid the Waste —
          And Lo! — the phantom Caravan has reach’d
          The NOTHING it set out from — Oh, make haste!

  1. Almost sixty years ago, William L. Shirer wrote a book that described in depth both the political processes and the ultimate consequences that typically occur when “the people, in ever growing numbers, [refuse] to vote for the lesser of two evils”, when they instead choose to look the other way and ignore reality. It was/remains a really good book, historically accurate and well worth a read, well worth keeping on the shelf even though it’s very thick and heavy.

    It had a simple and descriptive title: The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.

  2. Thanks to voter apathy and the resultant Republican control of both houses of Congress, Wall Street Moves In For The Kill

    Bankers have had many political victories since their moment of financial failure, but those victories have been incomplete — until now. Has their hour come around at last?

    If there’s one thing bankers understand, it’s timing. Wall Street isn’t just trying to get another friend into a powerful position and win back its taxpayer guarantees. It wants to make its own agenda appear inevitable. It wants to crush an incipient populist resistance before it gains more momentum. It’s moving in for the kill.

    • 3rd or 4th world status – with the right to be armed to the teeth….what could possibly go wrong?

  3. Such an interesting picture of our nation…
    Looking at those pols and pundits who are pissed off, not that our country tortured detainees, got pretty much zip actionable info from said torture, but that the truth has been exposed.
    One Notable quote…“America is awesome!!!” from the daily dingbat at Faux Nooze.
    Andrea Tantaros.
    “The United States of America is awesome, we are awesome,” she said. “We’ve closed the book on it, and we’ve stopped doing it. And the reason they want to have this discussion is not to show how awesome we are. This administration wants to have this discussion to show us how we’re not awesome.”

    h/t TPM

    • I think it’s more than a little interesting that there undoubtedly were, in 1930’s and early 40’s Germany, clusters of folks who saw Hitler and the Nazi movement as “awesome” as well — and, sadly, for much the same reason(s) as Fox “enthrallees” think that a brutal and greedy and dastardly ” United States of America is awesome . . .”

      The human dark side is obviously an embedded trait that will persist until the H.s.s.-induced mass extinction is completed.

      • Although I do foresee a massive decline in the human population, I do not see extinction. we, or at least some of us – will evolve.

    • Torture is not awesome. The reason we need to have this discussion is to make certain we never do it again. The only way to close the book is to know what happened and hold those responsible accountable for their crimes.

    • And a very Happy Birthday to Emily!

      The Heart has many Doors –
      I can but knock –
      For any sweet “Come in”
      Impelled to hark –
      Not saddened by repulse,
      Repast to me
      That somewhere, there exists,
      Supremacy –

  4. What appalls me is that none of the responses or reactions to the release of the summary is at all surprising — other than the pleasant surprise that McCain and Graham agree that, yes, that stuff is torture, torture is bad and releasing the report will not destroy Freedumb. But no surprise that the committee split exactly on party lines about the release and the results. And absolutely no surprise that the Right Wing Media and Right Wing politicians are 100% in agreement.

    And no surprise that idiots on the Right claim that the summary was released to either cover up the health care “disaster” or to distract people from the great GOP Mandate of 2014. At the moment, I want to punch every Republican or fake libertarian in the country right in the throat.

  5. And speaking of libertarians… City of Portland has filed suit against Uber, who decided to ignore all the regulations prohibiting them from operating here and Just Do It. The comment thread about this on the Oregon Live blog is chock full of “libertarians” convinced that this is just overreach by the city gummint and the taxi “unions”. Anyone sticking up for the City is obviously a cab driver (bad, evil).

    The State of California is not happy with Uber: http://tinyurl.com/occeedd

  6. Sen. Udall: Obama Needs To ‘Purge’ CIA, Says Brennan Is Still Lying

    Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.) on Thursday called on President Obama to “purge” his administration of the CIA officials who were involved in the “enhanced interrogation” program detailed in a new Senate report.

    “It’s bad enough to not prosecute these officials but to reward and promote them is incomprehensible,” Udall said on the Senate floor Wednesday. “The president needs to purge his administration.”

    Udall was defeated by wingnut Cory Gardner, mainly because way too many dems stay home during midterm elections. The consequence is predictable: In a month this is one less rational mind in DC, replaced by one more radical looney who figures that Amurka is now “saved” because the nuts now control all of Congress.

  7. Christopher Hitchens, seven years ago today, had it right:

    “Now we have further confirmation of the astonishing culture of lawlessness and insubordination that continues to prevail at the highest levels in Langley. At a time when Congress and the courts are conducting important hearings on the critical question of extreme interrogation, and at a time when accusations of outright torture are helping to besmirch and discredit the United States all around the world, a senior official of the CIA takes the unilateral decision to destroy the crucial evidence. This deserves to be described as what it is: mutiny and treason.

    Despite a string of exposures going back all the way to the Church Commission, the CIA cannot rid itself of the impression that it has the right to subvert the democratic process both abroad and at home. Its criminality and arrogance could perhaps have been partially excused if it had ever got anything right, but, from predicting the indefinite survival of the Soviet Union to denying that Saddam Hussein was going to invade Kuwait, our spymasters have a Clouseau-like record, one that they have earned yet again with their exculpation of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. It was after the grotesque estimate of continued Soviet health and prosperity that the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan argued that the CIA should be abolished. It is high time for his proposal to be revived. The system is worse than useless—it’s a positive menace. We need to shut the whole thing down and start again.”

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2007/12/abolish_the_cia.single.html

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