The Watering Hole, Saturday, April 25th, 2015: Just Say No to FRC

Yesterday I received an email from Faithful America, an organization of what I would consider to be ‘true’ Christians, who speak out against social injustices perpetrated and perpetuated in the name of Christianity. The email said that Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council – or NAMBLA, er, FRC – is supposed to be a guest on Face The Nation tomorrow. The email said, in part:

“With the Supreme Court about to issue a historic decision, CBS News is turning to an anti-gay hate group leader to speak for Christians.
This Sunday, Face the Nation is scheduled to feature Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council. Perkins has repeatedly accused gay men of molesting children, causing the Southern Poverty Law Center to formally name FRC to its list of hate groups.

Perkins was once a regular on CNN and MSNBC, but those networks have increasingly abandoned him as mainstream Christians have challenged his decades-long record of spreading ugly misinformation about lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people…Tell CBS News: Cancel Tony Perkins. He doesn’t speak for Christians.”

If Bob Schieffer would take a few minutes to just check out the FRC’s website, I’m sure that he would understand that this is a group that should NOT have a voice in the same-sex-marriage debate.

First, an excerpt from FRC’s “Washington Update” from Thursday, under the heading “What About Bobby?”:

“If liberals want to pick a fight over religious liberty, they’ll have their hands full with my home state: Louisiana. Unlike other governors who have been quick to raise a white flag, Bobby Jindal is leading the charge for his state’s Marriage and Conscience Act, warning that he won’t back down. “In Indiana and Arkansas, large corporations recently joined left-wing activists to bully elected officials into backing away from strong protections for religious liberty. As the fight… moves to Louisiana, I have a clear message for any corporation that contemplates bullying our state: Save your breath.”

“Although corporations are already turning up the heat on Jindal, the Governor says, “They are free to voice their opinions, but they will not deter me.” Realizing that this is a watershed moment for religious liberty, Jindal writes, “Liberals have decided that if they can’t win at the ballot box, they will win in the boardroom. It’s a deliberate strategy. And it’s time for corporate America to make a decision. Those who believe in freedom must stick together: If it’s not freedom for all, it’s not freedom at all.” With the Left’s attack dogs on the loose in Louisiana and elsewhere, religious liberty is almost certainly going to be a major issue in 2016 — in more ways than one.

While conservatives scratch and claw for their right to exercise the same tolerance the Left enjoys, leaders like Speaker Boehner have their eyes on the global crisis. Religious liberty is at the center of ISIS’s storm, as dozens of innocents are slaughtered for the faith our country is so reluctant to protect. In a new blog post, the Speaker’s office catalogues the latest horrors, and asks: Is the Obama administration doing “all it can” to protect Christians all over the world?”

There’s just so many things wrong with that last paragraph alone, my irony-meter went past 11, then shattered.

1) “Conservatives scratch and claw for their right to exercise the same tolerance the Left enjoys”? What they are scratching and clawing for is their right to exercise INTOLERANCE.

2) “Religious liberty is at the center of ISIS’s storm…” ISIS’s brutal acts have nothing to do with “religious liberty”, and if these conservatives had an honest bone in their collective bodies, they’d admit it.

3) “Is the Obama administration doing “all it can” to protect Christians all over the world?” Why on earth should the Obama administration, or any other president’s administration, have to “protect Christians all over the world”? The U.S. government cannot feasibly protect U.S.citizens “all over the world”, how could it be expected – no, demanded – to protect all “Christians”? More importantly, how would using the U.S. government to favor the lives of one religious group possibly be Constitutional? Not to mention that it would certainly require “big government”!


“Family Research Council believes that homosexual conduct is harmful to the persons who engage in it and to society at large, and can never be affirmed. It is by definition unnatural, and as such is associated with negative physical and psychological health effects. While the origins of same-sex attractions may be complex, there is no convincing evidence that a homosexual identity is ever something genetic or inborn. We oppose the vigorous efforts of homosexual activists to demand that homosexuality be accepted as equivalent to heterosexuality in law, in the media, and in schools.”

What the FRC believes doesn’t mean squat when it comes down to science and biology. Just because there is no evidence that will convince the FRC “that a homosexual identity is ever something genetic or inborn” doesn’t mean that there isn’t evidence in medical science. And just how does FRC separate the “homosexual identity” from the person? It would appear that, since they do not look upon homosexuals as individual human beings, they would not accept homosexual people, U.S. citizens, “as equivalent to heterosexual[people] in law, in the media, and in schools.” So what class of citizen would these braying amoral charlatans demote homosexual Americans to?

“Sympathy must be extended to those who struggle with unwanted same-sex attractions, and every effort should be made to assist such persons to overcome those attractions, as many already have.”

I haven’t noticed anyone from FRC, or any other anti-gay faux-religious group, extending “sympathy” to gays – maybe they just extend sympathy to gay people who don’t want to face the fact that they’re gay? And hasn’t FRC heard that there’s no scientific or medical evidence that “praying away Teh Gay”, or any other “treatment” purporting to turn gay people “straight”, is actually effective. They should just ask Marcus Bachmann about that.

And take a look at the titles of some of their “Policy Publications”:

“Leviticus, Jesus, and Homosexuality – Some Thoughts on Honest Interpretation” They wouldn’t know “honest interpretation” of any part of the bible even if Jesus appeared and called a convention of alleged “Christians” to set them straight. So-to-speak.

“The Other Side of Tolerance – How Homosexual Activism Threatens Liberty” Goddammit, will someone, any one of these people who glibly (and probably incorrectly) spout words like “freedom” and “liberty” please tell the rest of us exactly how they define those words? I hear them used with regularity by people who seem to want to limit others’ freedoms, so I’m pretty sure that such people don’t consult the OED, they just make up their own definitions.

Okay, enough ranting from me. For now, anyway.

This is our daily Open Thread – go ahead, have at it.

27 thoughts on “The Watering Hole, Saturday, April 25th, 2015: Just Say No to FRC

  1. Today’s RWNJ poutrage:

    Judge Proposes Oregon Bakery Pay $135,000 To Lesbian Couple

    An administrative law judge proposed Friday that the owners of a suburban Portland bakery pay $135,000 to a lesbian couple who were refused service more than two years ago.


    Friday’s proposed order, which runs 110 pages, dealt with the award for emotional suffering. The judge awarded $75,000 to Rachel Bowman-Cryer and $60,000 to her wife.

  2. Sometimes when I read fundie-Christer-Perkins (et al.) crapola — from that bundle of mindless twits who get pissed when the gubmint says they gotta keep their hate to themselves — for solace, I run off and read Mark Twain cuz he so often and so ably summed up the dark side essence of the human religious dilemma.

    “Such is the human race. Often it does seem such a pity that Noah and his party did not miss the boat.” ~Mark Twain, Christian Science; 1907

    If I were ever to find myself sitting across from Perkins (or any of his ilk), about the time I stood up to leave I’d prolly use this Twain line:

    “I suspect that to you there is still dignity in human life, & that Man is not a joke–a poor joke–the poorest that was ever contrived–an April-fool joke, played by a malicious Creator with nothing better to waste his time upon. ” ~Mark Twain, Letter to W. D. Howells; April 2, 1899

    Christians don’t deserve to be protected “all over the world” by us or anyone else, not any more than does any other religious brand. As T. Jefferson said, “Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights,” and “If my neighbor believes in twenty gods or no gods, it does not pick my pocket or break my leg and therefore it’s no harm to me.”

    To all of which I say, simply, Yea verily, It is written, and Amen.

    • Perfect. And I really enjoyed your Twain thread the other day.

      When I was in high school, I used to raid my brother’s bookcase, so my ‘first’ was A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court. Although when I was even younger, I loved the Disney(?) version of The Prince and The Pauper.

      • I guess I’ve been keeping Twain handy for close to 60 years, ever since Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn. He’s always been more skilled at tacking people to the cross than even Pontius Pilate. 🙂

  3. Thanks for the post, Jane!

    How does giving equality ruin a country? It doesn’t.
    Jindal, Perkins, et alia are frightened of their own shadows.

    • Because they look down upon LGBT people, they think that granting them equality lessens what they already have themselves. It is the exact same mindset used to discriminate against black people…I was going to say 50 years ago, but it’s still there today, though not…quite…nearly…as open as it was back then. It really hasn’t gotten any better for black people, has it? At least not in the South.

      • It also explains the entire right wing’s attitude on Hispanic immigrants. Them brown skins is inferior and they don’t even talk Amurkkkan.

        I swear that if things were left up to to the right wing there’d be concentration camps, gas chambers and ovens. I know it’s a sin to say it, but our radical right isn’t a whole lot different than Germany’s was up till about the time Hitler made it to the top of the ladder. So far, we only have wannabes on the GOoPer ticket, and we’d all best hope it never gets beyond that point.

  4. Speaking of wingnut religious insanity:

    Creationists still blaming Darwin for Columbine

    Standing at the witness table, [Darrell] White [a retired millitary judge and member of the Creation Museum] held a cane in “one hand and with the other was shaking a shirt that read, “natural selection.” According to White, it was the same as the shirt that Columbine murderer Dylan Klebold had worn (Eric Harris, not Klebold, actually wore the shirt), and teaching evolution would lead to a “Columbine-style shooting” in the schools of Baton Rouge.

    White, a lifetime member of the Creation Museum in Kentucky, has spent years trying to connect evolution to the Columbine massacre. In a 2006 article for the creationist site Answers in Genesis, he proclaimed that Charles Darwin should be “dubbed the patron saint of school violence.”

    Darwin. He done it. It’s all his fault. 😯

  5. Question:

    Why does the ruling class pick a spokesperson for a hate group to speak for all Christianity? What purpose is being served here?

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